you just heard president trump last night say he likes tony fauci. he respects tony fauci. he doesn't have to listen to tony fauci all the time. finally, i want to say regarding myself, i have learned how trans missable this virus is. i learned how dangerous it can be. what i learned more than anything else is how much we have damaged our society trying to control it, tucker. >> tucker: humility is the root of all wisdom. thanks. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: coming up, charges from a person with a fake name from russia. we'll tell you after the break. >> tucker: karen johnson is a former actress from the 1980s that now appears on a daytime entertainment show that goes by the name whoopee goldberg. somehow johnson became convinced that people were being mean to last night's debate moderator, kristin welker of nbc. for no good reason. so who would do something like that? according to karen johnson, we would. watch. >> i want fox news to apologize to kristin for the nasty way that they have been treating her before this debate. i want them to apologize. i want tucker carlson

fauci. >> you have my friend, and he's a nice guy, tony. tony fauci. he's a nice guy. so i keep him around. he's a democrat, everybody knows that. he's cuomo's friend. >> okay. let's just be clear here, that was done to demean fauci. he's a democrat. so everything he's saying, when he's telling you things like, wear a mask, this is serious, this is deadly. you know, it's because he's a democrat. let's be clear, fauci served under six presidents, starting with ronald reagan. he was awarded the presidential medal of freedom by president george bush, and fauci is not registered with either party. now, i say that just because he's confirmed that, but even if he were, it wouldn't matter. he's been saying what he said based upon the science. he's made it clear again and again that is what this is about. >> i have been in the public health arena and advising six administrations for the last, you know, i've been doing this for the last five decades in public service. i have never, ever either indirectly or directly endorsed a political candidate. i want to stay completely apol

william schaffner, thank you for being today's tony fauci whisperer.>>> still ahead for us, it's out there among republicans. new reporting on how qanon became something we actually have to talk about when we cover republican politics. >>> when you look at insane conspiracy theories like qanon seeping into the mainstream of the republican party, what that tells you is that there are no more guardrails within that media ecosystem and i think one of the biggest challenges is how do we re-establish some baselines of truth that at least the vast majority of people can agree to? >> former president barack obama asking a question that we will be dealing with way beyond trump's time in office. how do re-establish baselines for truth, baselines obama's successor has obliterated. "new york times" writes, urged on by the president, who espousal of conspiracy theories has only intensified, qanon adherents are pushing such ideas into the conservative mainstream, alongside low taxes and limited limited government. people feel left out said one republican leader fro

and then he ignored tony fauci this whole time and marginalize and not allow the advisers to speak unlesseeing that dr. fauci continues to out-poll him and then he pulls the quotes and it is insulting to anybody trying to be good and to stay at home or to avoid crowds. and here you have, again, we're a mockery because in light of all of the science and public health, you have someone who absolutely could defy all of the odds. i do hope that all of the people around him, to your point, the staff that have no choice, the secret service who have to choice, i hope they're doing everything possible to keep themselves safe. i've seen them with the n-95 masks, keep it up, ladies and gentlemen, because you'll need it. there is no guarantee this man is still not infectious. >> peter baker, let me put up the poll numbers. tony fauci has a 68% approval rating in terms of his trustworthiness and 60% do not trust him and 40% trust him. what led, or i guess it is obvious, it is not even more of a question, but that the fact that they've been at war with tony fauci and on and off the record. they've bee

so he doesn't like tony fauci because he begs to differ with him in public. >> you have this great new op-ed out on cnn.com. you write about how badly the president needs a reset. i mean, that's very clear. >> yeah. >> you point out it likely is not going to happen. >> sure, it is not going to happen. when he was sick with covid, some friends of his were calling him at the hospital and i was told by a source familiar with the conversations that they tried to kind of gently nudge him, say look, this is a moment to tell the american public that you understand what they're going through. those stories, brianna, that you just showed. his friend said to him, you can tell the public now you get it and of course that is not what he did. he marched up on a balcony at the white house, ripped off his mask, and he proceeded to say i've beaten it. you can beat it. don't let it dominate your life. i was talking to one of his biographers who explained it to me this way. i thought it was very accurate. he said look, donald trump can never backtrack, he can never admit he made a mistake because once h

. >> it is such an interesting moment, dana, in that tony fauci does a "60 minutes" interview, since then he took the bait and answered questions about him. it might as well be trump versus science. >> the only thing i say is he's a little bit sometimes not a team player but he is a democrat and i think that he's just fine. it's a view. we have other, scott atlas is fantastic, but they go after him so much, he has a different view. by the way, everyone has a different view. different views are everything. doesn't mean they're wrong or bad people, people have different views. >> but to be clear. >> we saved millions of lives by the decisions i made. >> tony fauci is a democrat, scott atlas is fantastic. tony fauci is an infectious disease expert, scott atlas is a radiologist that says don't wear a mask. >> up is down, right is left. we can continue this for the rest of the hour. look, i have been talking to a lot of republicans about this because i frankly as a reporter have been trying to figure out is he being crazy like a fox, he the president. is he trying to do something he think

every pandemic that has arisen and to date been handled well, partly because of his efforts than tony faucihe has the most broad political respect i can imagine, but he does something inconvenient for this president, which is offer a narrative which is rooted in science, and, by the way, rooted in the experience that we have as americans every single day, but that is inconsistent with what the president believes, and so what the president, you know, i'm in politics too. i know what he's doing here. it's going to be a catastrophe, but i know precisely what he's doing here. he has made fauci one of the villains in his, you know, nursery school good versus evil tale. so now anthony fauci joins hillary clinton and joe biden and all of those people who he perceives as antagonists, and sadly, in this case, you know, tony fauci didn't sign up for politics. those of us who do, we know that we're going to take that kind of incoming, but tony fauci is a professional who is based in science and who does not deserve the scorn of any president. in fact, he deserves the accolades of every president. >> a

fauci. >> my friend, he's a nice guy, tony. to tony fauci. he said don't wear a mask. don't wear a mask under any circumstances. did you ever see so many conflicts? he's a nice guy so i keep him around. >> hope hicks who tested positive for covid-19 is back on the trail with the president, but not wearing a mask. senator kamala harris is canceling her schedule through sunday after two people traveling with her tested positive for the coronavirus. the campaign said the senator tested negative for the virus today. now yesterday there were 57,000 new cases in the united states and unfortunately 930 deaths. the president has no strategy as evidenced in an interview this morning. >> what happens if you get a big spike in cases in the united states and cases are rising? >> we're not doing anymore lockdowns. we're doing fine. >> former president barack obama is criticizing how the trump white house responded to the coronavirus. >> we had a pandemic, the threat of pandemic, we had competent people in place to deal with it. >> we'll have more on that in a moment. first steve ko

what we're seeing is that in polling the american people trust tony fauci more than the president on the coronavirus. and the entire public health community is rallying to dr. fauci's defense. here's francis collins, the director of the national institutes of health. >> tony fauci is probably the most highly respected infectious disease expert in the world. and he's also a terrific communicator. i think the public has been been greatly benefitted by hearing his descriptions of what's happening. i have great confidence in him. >> reporter: john one more piece of evidence that the president is on the short side of public opinion in this fight with fauci is in a new york times poll this morning, 37% of the american people said they agreed that the worst is behind us. but 51% said the worst is ahead of us on the pandemic. that closely mirrors joe biden's advantage over president trump in national polling. >> it raises questions, number one, about the president's handling or mishandle of the pandemic and number two about his discipline as a candidate. you mentioned fauci is more poplar in

double down on dumb -- attacking tony fauci again for his prognostications. the president literally told us it would disappear like a miracle. that we'll be down to zero cases in february. you said it affects no one, ignoring the millions of us who have died or lost someone or been sick. it affects no one? you and your wife got it. white house is a cluster. you still telling us it's not worth attacking with everything we've got? look at it in terms of the numbers. 68% believe in fauci. let's be honest that can number is low because trump keeps giving him a beating and so do his emissaries on state tv. the president's credibility has been like half that in the polls. what he should do is carry a picture of fauci with him, show it to everybody, because saying you're with fauci is a way better way to get votes than the flailing at everyone you're doing. think of this -- think about it -- this is the only time i can ever think of when the challenger in an election, biden, right? is running in support of the policies that the president's own task force is proposin

but it tells you what you need to know about tony fauci. thank god he can keep a clear head and stay straight on what he needs to do for us while captain covid spreads toxic talk. listen to the difference between what's on fauci's mind and what's on the man who was elected to protect us against something like exactly the thing he's ignoring right now. here is what he wanted you to know. >> he'll listen to the scientists. if i listen totally to the scientists, we would right now have a country that would be in a massive depression instead of we're like a rocket ship. take a look at the numbers. >> he's lying to you. okay? we lost 22 million jobs. he said, yeah, but we got 11 million back. what does that tell you? we're still down 11 million. the unemployment rate hasn't been like this since the depression. and he can't even cut a deal. sure, the democrats can be held to fault, if you want. maybe they should take something, get something done for somebody. i say fair criticism. he thinks listening to scientists is a weakness and that it's a go

i don't think this administration can fire tony fauci. and he should not allow himself to be muzzled. so they don't want him to speak out now, but they want to use his words to create some sort of false portrait of the administration's response. and he's just had it. he's just had it. and he'll tell the public he's had it. it's -- the whole communication process for this virus has been just so badly mishandled by this administration and they keep stepping in it. they're going to go to iowa this week? iowa has an 18% positivity rate. they're going to the heartland of the virus. i mean, the president is basically running against the virus and the virus is winning. the big -- i don't think the way forward is to actually go into the hot zones. >> yeah, in fact, into very quickly before we go read what the mayor of des moines is saying. absolutely, i'm worried about the spread, we don't want a super spreader event here in des moines. we urge everyone who would attend this event to wear a mask and social distance as best they can and to stay sa

who cares about tony fauci, all due respect? we seem to be collectively standing by as the pandemic is having its way with us. people are in food lines all over this country. red and blue. the virus is the truth. it doesn't play bs games. it does what it does. too many of us can't get back to normal. too many of our kids are in bad school situations, stressing the kids, stressing our families. does trump speak to that? a single idea to get things more open? no. he just says we need to get back to normal. captain obvious could not have said it better. the question for him is how? what does he got on that? he's refusing to deal with the pandemic doesn't make it go away. his desire to make this election about something other than what we're all being suffocated by is not impressive and not normal. it's abnormal. this is only normal for him. in his mind, the pandemic's not the problem. the media is. >> kristen welker is terrible. i mean, she is totally partisan. there are people out there that could be neutral. kristen welker cannot

and that's what he did to tony fauci. the problem the campaign has is that you can't have it both ways. you can't have him in the ad one day and then call him names the next day. particularly since the public trusts him more than they trust donald trump on the issue that is foremost, which is handling covid. so the president is letting -- you know, he can't get out of his own way on this. >> so professor haseltine, what are these doctors to do? i mean, fauci has made it clear he's going to stay on no matter who is president if allowed. one would imagine given the situation if president trump wins re-election he would get rid of him. he's making it pretty clear. two weeks before the election he might not. you've got dr. deborah birx. there's been reporting that she has sort of thought about resigning and has gone to pence's office to say atlas is not trustable, this is a problem. what are these doctors supposed to do? >> all you can do is carry on, make sure you're doing your best to communicate to the public. you know, dr

. >> peter baker, donald trump isn't just as war with tony fauci two weeks before his own re-election, he is at war with fauci as every respected scientist and doctor predicts that the worst is what is right in front of us. let me show you what dr. olster hoech holmes said that we're into in the coming weeks and months. >> we do have vaccines and therapeutics coming down the pike. but when you look at the time period for that, the next 6 to 12 weeks will be the darkest of the entire pandemic. track scenes wiee vaccines will available until early or third quarter next year. and people don't know what to believe. we have to get the message to the public that reflects the science and reflects reality. >> i don't know what the best analogy is here, but you these are intersecting lines that put the country on a collision course. the guy that is for herd immunity and lies on egregiously that twitter took him down this morning for his lie about mask is gaining power and control at the very moment that the virus is in the words of that doctor entering its darkest phase. >> doesn't seem like t

tony fauci. he's a nice guy. he said this not a threat. this is not a problem. don't worry about it. it's not. it's the craziest thing. then he said do not wear a mask. do not wear a mask under any circumstances. don't wear a mask. don't, don't, don't, right? we don't wear a mask and then they say, oh, wear a mask. you ever see any conflicts? but he's a nice guy so i keep him around. we keep him around. he's a democrat. everybody knows that. he's cuomo's friend. >> keeping aside the small-minded and cowardly attack on dr. fauci, who, by the way, has been serving this country at the nih for more than 40 years for both republicans and democrat -- democratic administrations. what the president said there about wearing masks is a lie. it's dangerous as well. cnn asked the cdc what study the president might have been referring to since he referenced it coming from the cdc. the spokesperson suggested it was one from last month which was designed to, quote, assess possible situations for community exposure, not mask use. response continues and i'm quoting here, growing

tony fauci seemingly backing the for aent's timeline vaccine, saying we will know whether a vaccine isthe beginning of december. velti of course -- mr. course, always controversial. maybe we can do a little on pandemic and also the affordable ,are act as lawrence gostin georgetown university professor, joins us. his harshest critics always read and always listen to professor guston -- professor gostin. thank you so much for joining us again. i hear one line from the president, and i believe it was in the bait, but there was that classic republican ancient conservative line on socialized medicine. if we do this, if we do that, this will be an america socialized medic -- this will be an america socialized medicine. where did this come from? lawrence: i think it is just a political talking point. it is not socialized medicine. it is far from it. it wouldn't even come close to what is in europe, the national health service, the german system, the japanese health system, you name it. what it does is it is still a predominantly private insurance so.et, overwhelmingly still mostly employer-sp

tony fauci, the nation's most respected infectious disease expert, publicly acknowledge that the president has not met with his covid team for months. even worse, saturday, donald trump said the covid-19 count wasn't really going up. everything was leveling out. he suggested the doctors were inflating the numbers. catch this, because doctors get more money. what the hell is the matter with this man? thousands of doctors and nurses have given their lives trying to save lives, and he says the reason they are talking about testing is that they want to make more money. mr. president, more than 1000 health-care workers lost their lives fighting covid. doctors, nurses. they are not profiting. they are dying. you remember, during the debates, if you want to call it that, during the debate, trump said that we are learning to live with this covid. no. he's asking us to learn to die with it. folks, this has got to end. we can in fact end this crisis. if he would only get together with the house and senate and work out a compromise on the spending bills out there, in order to deal with everything lik

he's been on a three-day bender over tony fauci.g some bizarre twitter war against lesley stall and 60 minutes, an interview he was hardly coerced into doing. he's lashing out at bill barr for not prosecuting his opponent. what do they say is behind all this? >> well, i have a few sources inside the campaign and in the white house, and in short, here's how they describe it. they would rather have president trump on the road going to rallies because it takes sometimes two to three hours to travel there, an hour or two on stage behind the scenes, and two or three hours to travel back. they prefer to see him on the road, even if it has this image as tim was talking about of a super spreader event, because that keeps him away from stewing at the white house, from tweeting all day, from going in different directions. they don't really have a coherent closing message. they're trying to get him to talk about his record, not necessarily always about the hunter biden situation. but they're not really able to control their own candidate. that

i'm no dr., we are about to have tony fauci on in the next block and he is. you think you get sick the next day after being exposed to somebody. he would have to be so immune compromised that he would never get out of the hospital. so he was sick before, when? why would they he will us? why would they tell us? it's a mondacity machine. keighly i never lie mcenany. you saw him tonight, highly contagious. he has to be. it is the science of it. i know he was in the hospital. i know he 24 hour care. i know they gave him two experimental treatments. but it was no big deal. what if that young woman's husband had access to what he access to? what about if everybody's husband and wife and kid and son and daughter and aunt and uncle and grandparent had access to that kind of care. or tests to let them know what was going on and give them a chance to fight. how different would our situation be. the virus is the truth. and this president is a walking lie. or as my brilliant writer said, lie ability. lie-ability. good one. why is he saluting? a salute is a gesture of res

so when tony fauci says that the trajectory is getting worse and worse, when dr. peter hoe tess says we're headed for a dark winter we should listen and continue taking whatever steps we can to avoid this virus. what we really need is a good vaccine and good treatment. let's take a look at where vaccine development is going in this country. as tony fauci mentioned, it is going well and it is going well for two of them, but let's look at the two that aren't going as well, johnson & johnson has paused their trial, they paused because a participant became ill. astrazeneca has been on a pause for more than a month, we are not completely sure why it is taking so long to get that one back up and running also because of a participant illness. moderna started their phase three trial on july 27th, so did pfizer and both of those are still up and running. let's take a look at the johnson & johnson vaccine trial timeline. they started working in january on a screen in partnership with barta which is a government agency, in march they signed a deal to produce a billion doses,

but people aren't tired of tony fauci. they're tired of the misery.n the 1970s the economist came up with something called the misery index a way to quantify something that is pretty subjective which is how much are people hurting at that time during the recession. he basically just added the inflation rate to the unemployment rate. and came up with a number. we have a new misery index and it is very simple. the unemployment rate and the covid positivity rate. in the united states right now that is 13% which is about twice what it is for some european countries. more than that compared to places like japan but in different parts of the united states much higher. so for instance in iowa, that number is 26%. it's 30% in wisconsin. it's 36% in nevada. maybe that misery index is why the election isn't going the president's way in those swing states. people are miserable. it is disgusting to heart president say that but also dr. fauci. he has advised six presidents now. he needs a security detail. he's a doctor. he shouldn't have to need that. >> no, he sh

i would definitely not even in the shower say i think tony fauci is a disaster if i were donald trump. i mean you know something like that is going to get out. i think the economy is a very big issue but related to the coronavirus, connell, it is looking more and more what is top most in people's minds is their concerned about their own futures and that certainly is related to the coronavirus. there have been layoffs. there have been furloughs. people are worried about where they're going to stand economically next year but on that point, yes, the president has a very strong argument to make based on the economy that his policies produced running up till the coronavirus hit us in march. and the biden argument that donald trump is somehow wholly responsible for all the events since the coronavirus hit including all of the deaths, including the downturned economy i suspect is something most americans don't completely credit. that is joe biden's argument and the president in that debate is going to have to come up with a counterargument. yes, the economy should be at the top of the list

i am fortunate to be surrounded by some are world class in that regard and a to mention tony fauci in particular context because here is somebody who is probably the most highly respected infectious disease expert in the world, and i could have conversation with tony when we get deep into immunity and he can run circles around with what he knows and with the specifics of the scientific information. he can also in any setting i've ever seen him take these complicated concepts entered into compelling evidence-based conclusions about what kind of public health measures we should be undertaking without the spin attached to that, just telling it like it is. we need more tony fauci. we don't have enough of them. a lot of scientists kind of really had enough experience in how to do that and they sort of came to slip back into using terminology that is offputting because people don't quite understand which four syllable words they just use and what it was supposed to be. we have done a great job in terms of educating our scientist about how to communiquÉ what they do. they are excited. they l

joe biden is basically sort of a walking psa for what tony fauci recommends we all do., social distancing, and listening to the scientists. what do you think the contrast, just not on the lack of humanity and the empathy, but this is how we get our businesses back. this is how we put our kids back in school. the kids will learn to wear masks and sit six feet apart. it feels like biden is just going around trump and making the economic message through the covid messaging. >> well, it is been so fascinating to watch because i think in the beginning of the -- of joe biden's campaign, it seemed like a very tenuous argument to make about the economy and the direct connection with covid. but joe biden is actually stuck on that. and he's drawn very direct links between what we do to get control of the virus and to wipe it out as a way to get back to a strong economy. and i think that he's been very successful. and i think part of the reason that joe biden is able to run ads these days and go out on the campaign trail and talk about his plans for the future and to do it in a wa

and he sustained a four-day campaign against tony fauci after "60 minutes" appearance and he's now been at war with lesley stahl from "60 minutes" for i think about 22 hours. that's all fine and good. it's his prerogative. that's not how he closed 2016. in 2016 he was running as an anti-war republican which appealed to republicans, appe appealed appea appealed to a lot of people after the wars in iraq and afghanistan and he was running and pointing and he was looking, he was connecting with the forgotten men and women. he hasn't said a word about any of those things. neither as he promised or explained w eed why he didn't b back manufacturing jobs. this is not the candidate who ran four years aegsz a s ago an trump coalition. now, his job tonight isn't just to -- we should stop talking about the trump voter. he's got them. they're in the bag. there may be some of the vote that's -- he -- his coalition fell apart the day after election day in '16. they showed us that in '18. and he's done nothing to bring one single member of that coalition back and this days-long jihad against tony fauc

indoor meetings, i mean day after day in close proximity to people and are doing all the things that tony fauci and other experts say you just shouldn't do so he tempted fate for sure and i hope that there's a bit of an awakening for the president and those around him that they need to stop this dangerous reckless behavior in the face of the deadly virus. the best time to get serious about a virus like this is not after you get it and you're in walter reed. it's before you get it and so there's still time to keep others from getting it and i'm just hoping very much that there are changes from this white house and how they talk about and act about this virus. over in the senate chuck schumer is now saying that. >>because 2 members of the senate judiciary committee have contracted covid that they should stop the proceedings to try to confirm just judge amy coney barrett what's your take on that part of all this. >>i'm stunned that they would even consider going full speed ahead with all of these meetings and they continued to do it today, no masks indoor close proximity. with all of these new pos

his personal medical advisor instead of listening to tony fauci announced the day that trump got homee hospital that nothing will change as a result of his personal experience. the administration has been reckless and erratic before the president got ill and reckless and erratic right now and that is putting a lot of people in danger. >> mike pence canceling campaign events and the white house press second said it has nothing to do with coronavirus. >> look lawrence, we will have to see. i hope vice president pence and mrs. pence aren't sick. the identity all-americans need to focus on is the president and the vice president doesn't have a plan to keep other people from getting sick. people keep getting sick at the white house. the most interesting news development today is mitch mcconnell, donald trump's most loyal ally saying that he hasn't come to the white house since early august. if mcconnell says it is unsafe to be around the president and his people why would anyone? it isn't safe to go to the trump white house. >> yeah. it is social distancing and [000:

tony fauci, and he is a nice guy. and it is not a problem, but he is a nice guy and we keep him around, right. >> reporter: the president is lash out at one of the most trusted health experts days after he was taken out of context in a campaign ad. >> i can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. >> reporter: after that the president's attack on fauci came at a rally where many were not social distancing or wearing maxes. just like the white house officials, and staff mark med dose and hope hicks were not using masks and boarded air force one, he is insisting that the administration has handle on the pandemic. >> we are not doing any more lockdowns, and with refine. >> reporter: but this is fine? the forecast is 240,000 more deaths reported wednesday, and the president is saying he is a warrior against deaths including dr. gretchen whitmer. >> they need to open up the states, and the democrats need to open them up and she wants to be a dictator in michigan and that people can't stand her and they want to get back

tony fauci. he's a nice guy. he said this is not a threat. this is not a problem. don't worry about this. craziest thing. but he's a nice guy, so i keep him around, right? >> reporter: the president is lashing out at one of the most trusted health experts days after he was taken out of context in a trump campaign ad. >> i can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. >> reporter: his attack on fauci came as president trump staged another rally where many supporters were not social distancing and not wearing masks. just like top white house officials traveling with the president, chief of staff mark meadows and hope hicks, not wearing masks as they boarded air force one. the president is insisting his administration has a handle on the pandemic. >> we're not doing any more lockdowns. we're doing fine. >> center for disease control is forecasting as many as 240,000 deaths by november 7th. mr. trump is portraying himself as a worrier against lockdowns, blasting people like governor gretchen whitmer. >> they need to open up the states. that's the other thing with dem

anthony fauci, tweeting tony's pitching arm is far more accurate than prognostications. the president referring impolitely to first pitch at a washington nationals game in july. the pitch went quite wide of home plate. president trump dismissing threat of coronavirus at his rally in florida last night. >> the guys and the beautiful women, everybody. i'll give you a big, fat kiss. i went through it, now they say i'm immune. i feel so powerful. >> cnn's kaitlan collins joins us live from the white house. a lot to talk about there, i will let you take the lead. number one, the president mocking the virus at his first rally and mocking tony fauci, interesting strategic play. spending millions on a new campaign ad featuring dr. fauci, and the president is attacking his credibility. marketing people would tell you wrong call. >> reporter: i think it is clear why the president is going after dr. fauci, it is because on sunday if you saw the ad, dr. fauci put out a statement saying he didn't consent to being used in the ad, believed his words were taken out of context and said b

scatter shot attacked at hunter biden but they're diluted by a four day smear campaign against tony faucit started on sunday night with fauci's interview. it didn't abate until wednesday. and then he spent today on 60 minutes, releasing video of a video recorded interview. i'm not sure what the real genius tactic was there. when do you think the trump campaign will turn their focus to the person on the ticket? >> ostensibly tonight he'll go offer biden and that is one-on-one. and you hit the nail on the head, this is scatter shot but also lacking a sustained attack on the opponent which is bizarre. i think the issue here is more nuance. it is not about winning over middle voters versus the base. back in 2016, trump had a -- you could have hated the guy but he did have a message that was seeped in sort of a populist unorthodox republicanism. he talked about protecting entitlement and how bad trade deals were for the working class and he would protect your wages and fight china and that has a cross partisan appeal. there were democrats in rust belt states that thought this is right. our man

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talking to them about the way he has personally been treated by the media and scientists and by tony fauci. the question is where are the issues that voters care about and about healthcare. that seems to be missing because it is all about him. >> peter hotez says we are likely to see thousands of cases the next two weeks and americans should take mental step to protect their health and mental health. a period of rapid acceleration. the estimate shows as many as 400,000 dead by february 1st. we are not rounding a turn. >> no, when you hear this sort of we are rounding the turn, that's the expectation and at the same time you see the numbers going up. that's part of the number distress. be clear on the expectation part of helping some of those anxieties that come with this. i look at those rallies and i think 14 days away, this is one incubation period away from a diagnosis. people are at those rallies now, they'll be diagnosed after the election. that's the real of this and as far as the acceleration goes with dr. gadli, it is interesting because we can show the kwieunited states compares u

tony fauci, who they say is a genius, has called the idea total nonsense. dr.is professor of medicine at stanford university, one of the authors of the declaration. thank you very much for coming on. if you summarize your position, i think "the great barrington declaration" has been characterized by partisan struggle so i would like to hear you describe what it is. >>>> i think the key idea of the declaration is there is a 1,000 fold difference in the risk of mortality for people who are older for him covid-19 is actually a deadly disease. 95% survived but still 5% die. p 70. whereas for younger people, it's much less 5 deadly. for instance, for children there have been many more flu deaths this year than covid-19 deaths. as you say, very, very high survival rates for people who are younger. when you combine that with the fact that the lockdowns have been absolutely deadly. deadly in the united states. as you say, for instance, the cdc found that 1 of 4 adults have seriously considered suicide, and astronomically high number. putting kids out of school is bad f

talking to hem about the way he has been treated by the media and by scientists and by tony fauci. the question is where are the issues that the voters care about as you were talking about earlier. about health care. about what is going to happen with covid. about what is going to happen with the economy. that seems to be missing because it is all about him. >> they are likely to see up to 70,000 cases a day and americans should take steps to protect their mental and their physical health. scott gottlieb said the u.s. about a week away from a period of rapid estimation. the chris murray estimate shows as many as 400,000 dead by february 1st. we are not rounding a turn. >> no. you know, when you hear the we are rounding the turn, that is the expectation. at the same time we see the numbers going up. that is part of the mental distress that people have. this is a terrible situation but being clear it is helping some of those anxieties that come with it. i look at the rallies and i think 14 days away. you know there are people at the rallies now that will be diagnosed after the electi

conclusions of public health measures we should be undertaking instead of telling it like it is we need tony fauci we don't have enough. and they tend with that terminology is offputting because people don't quite understand we haven't and the great job but they want to do this and they want to tell the story we are working harder have the people better prepared to do an elevator speech so we are working on it but it is not widely successful. >> at one time journalist walter cronkite was the most trusted man in america. as that of an employee, doctor fauci from today is considered by many to be the voice of knowledge and reason. how do you go about defending doctor fauci against also the criticism that he is receiving for doing his job? >> i have a problem defending him. and with public service with the problem we are facing the is completely devoid from 1984 and has that track record and then to figure out what we should do about that. but it is hard and distressing to see how to have a full-time security around him with those threats that they received and in the midst of the crisis in here they

fauci. >> my friend, he's a nice guy, tony. tony fauci. a nice guy. he said this is not a threat, this is not a problem, don't worry about this. there was a problem. it is the craziest thing. then he said do not wear a mask. do not wear a mask under any circumstances. but he's a nice guy, i keep him around, i keep him around. he is a democrat. everybody knows that. he is cuomo's friend. >> at the beginning of that, he is taking dr. fauci out of context, months ago and months ago and months ago, a lot of experts said don't get a mask. dr. fauci has been consistent in recent month about the power of masks protecting lives. the president says don't listen to the nation's top expert because he is a democrat. you worked for dr. fauci. should we listen to him? >> john, dr. fauci has been the voice of reason in an extremely unreasonable time for our country. i'll tell you, as someone that worked the white house and served this administration, it is a thankless job to be a medical provider in the white house. it is hard to continue to be ethical and moral and

fauci here in north carolina. listen to what he had to say. >> my friend -- and he's a nice guy, tony, tony fauci. he's a nice guy. he said this is not a threat, this is not a problem, don't worry about it. there was a problem, that's the craziest thing. he said do not wear a mask under any circumstances, don't wear a mask, don't, don't, and then they say wear a mask. he's a nice guy, so i keep him around. he's a democrat, everybody knows that. he's cuomo's friend. >> reporter: so a couple interesting things to point out in those remarks. first of all, again, he is mocking people who wear masks, also criticizing the guidance and advice that dr. phelpsi has given. they did talk about whether masks were appropriate in march, but since then, has said it's one of the best ways to curb the spread of the virus. he also suggested he'll keep fauci around as if there's been a discussion of removing him, and finally he calls fauci a democrat. it's important to point out that dr. fauci has worked for both republicans and democrats. he describes himself as apolitical. furthermore as the president attacks him

tony fauci, nancy sullivan, incredible scientists at nih who work long days, late nights, to develop ll of you represent what is best about america and what's possible when we lead. >> anthony fauci doesn't serve a party, he serves the nation's health. president trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he serves himself at the expense of the nation's health, so makes sense these two maybe don't see eye to eye. >>> there's another megachurch seeing a coronavirus outbreak as more churches refuse to enforce mask use. >>> see how biden and trump supporters react to the debate, including what surprised them most. >>> and the president says don't worry, children separated from parents at the border are well taken care of. and now your co-p. still a father. but now a friend. still an electric car. just more electrifying. still a night out. but everything fits in. still hard work. just a little easier. still a legend. just more legendary. chevrolet. making life's journey, just better. (combative yelling) he used to have bad breath. now, he uses a capful of therabreath fresh breath oral rinse to

intentionally -- and this is why, over the ensuing weeks and months we saw less and less of people like tony fauci and deborah birx and robert redfield. their strategy was to bury them and proceed with opening the states for the president's own political reasons. it makes me really, really angry. to that point, i think what this -- i want to jamie that these pieces of tape are so illuminating, because you realize that they're rebuffing doctors who were valuing public health, and they were valuing human lives. when you listen to the tape of jared kushner there, you do not get the sense that that is what he's valuing. >> not at all. i wrote it down -- if you're preparing for a worst-case scenario, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. no, no, that's wrong. in medicine, we always prepare for the worst-case scenario, in case it happening. they're preparing for the worst-case scenario, so because they weren't preparing for the worst-case scenario, we're still reusing ppe. because they didn't want to prepare for the worst-case scenario, because it will look back or discourage economic growth, we do

that's why the president of the united states doesn't have him out front anymore and which is why tony fauci will go out and spread the message the best he can on his own. look at the evolution of this. we used to have task force briefings that were sort of task force briefings every day. then the president took them over and used them as political statements for himself. they were still every day. now we don't hear from the task force at all because the message the task force would give is that this is getting worse. hold on. this is not getting better. you're not hearing from a task force anymore. you're hearing from the president of the united states who says don't worry, be happy. that is not the message americans should be hearing right now, but it is the political message that the president wants the public to hear. >> gloria, thank you, dr. reiner, olivia, thank you. my thoughts are with your family who are sick. hope they are better. >> mine too. >> thank you. >>> next, biden headed to georgia tomorrow, then iowa. senator kamala harris going to texas. that's how they're spending time

as tony fauci said, it will be the middle of next year, the optimistic vaccine equitixpertsk earlier than that. but it should be fairly much over middle of next year and then we have to rebuild the economy and the help the rest of the world. >> keep on the right track and you will make it to the right place. i enjoyed your piece. thank you very much. >> thank you all for watching, cnn with d-lemon starts now. he sounds like you. >> will the optimism, you mean? >> yeah. >> you stole the open of my show, i'm trying to get optimistic. are you with me? are you ready? [ humming ] >> he also had -- >> we survived, six months, eight months, we can survive six hours in line. i don't care how long it takes. >> it's true. mcconaughey had the benefit of two bottles of wine and an eight ball. >> and he had the -- listen, it's all in how you look at it, you heard what mayor pete says, right? but trusting his life to someone. it's all in how you look at it. you heard what your last guest said, optimism. and how you look at itment mit. 21 is a lucky number. when you see the number, 21, it means som

we should do what tony fauci says which is hunker down, mask up, distance.ll get through this winter. winter is becoming. we'll get through the winter and then get vaccinated and get our lives back. that is the message we should be hearing from our leaders. mask up. take care of each other and then we'll get our lives back. >> president trump's doctor always so cryptic but he says the president tested negative on consecutive days. read between the lines. what questions do you have here? >> this is what we know. if you read his statement today what he really said today is the president tested positive with a pcr test. they are following something called cycle threshold. what a pcr test does is amplify by replicating the genetic material of the virus multiple times until it is detectible so the less amount of virus you have in a sample the more rounds you need to do until you can detect it. that is what he was alluding to today. it is still positive. he used a less sensitive test. this brand new antigen test which the fda explicitly does not state should be us