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and what he did say is he said the tories are dead . the party the tories are dead. e party as it stands now, are dead. a dead brand . dead brand. >> they're brand. brand is broken. the brand is. >> it did sound very trumpian . >> it did sound very trumpian. however, you know, he is in a very strong position. whatever happens now, he's building towards. >> but paul, 2022, who wants 2020 party to die? who will benefit from that ? i mean, half benefit from that? i mean, half the people in the tory party are are our team uk people and the other half are team world. who wants the tory party dead? i think i think , well, most of the think i think, well, most of the people who are actually on the right, i think what people want is a tory party. they want a true tory party. >> i do well, next up is the times and putin is very happy to end the war in ukraine, as long as they let him keep all the things that he's stolen. nick >> oh yeah, it's putin offers ceasefire and if ukraine gives up annexed regions and nato ambition. so yeah, it is a bit of a ball when he's saying that u

why is no one listening to the tory party? this? manifesto we were given in silverstone, on tuesday , much of it tuesday, much of it pre—announced as the parties try to get the engines going in its own version of what should be an f1 car. but it's more like a robin reliant. what's going on? >> i think there's a kind of long term answer to that question and a shorter term answer. the shorter term answer, i think, is that, rishi sunak hoped that he'd sort of gained the momentum by going early and surprising people with this election. and then he sort of promptly lost the capacity to dominate the headlines, in a positive way. first of all, i think by nigel farage's entry into the race and secondly by a number of his own , inept number of his own, inept mistakes, most obviously, obviously what happened on one happened on d—day. and that's really kind of come into people's consciousness and they've really forgotten what was discussed in the in the manifesto . the longer answer to manifesto. the longer answer to that question, i think, is

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you've been out for the last two weeks with the tory party. to that. >> and the labour party and the labour party will come to that in a bit. >> the rumour mill has gone into overdrive. everyone is saying he's going to stand and most likely in clacton. what are you heanng likely in clacton. what are you hearing ? heanng? >> into a becalmed election, pond has landed a large farage sized rock. that's what happened. martin today wasn't expected. we had talk about what is a woman on the tory party going after culture, the culture wars, battle , etcetera, wars, battle, etcetera, etcetera. then we had in the north of england , we had north of england, we had a triple defence lock from, from the labour party talking about how they're going to commit to the to maybe a defence review, which could lead to increased army size. and so it goes on to the nuclear, nuclear weapons. and then farage announces on twitter he's going to do some announcement at 4:00, an emergency election announcement. we don't know what it is. so let's speculate, shall we? give yo

i agree, it's about trying to peel votes away from the tory party, but you know , the tory party, butserious politics. >> it will succeed in doing that, though, simply because the tory party has given up being conservative. and this has been its problem for the last two years. well, maybe even longer than the last two years. well, some people might say it's been its problems since the days of david cameron's election, but you know what? >> far be it from me to advise the tory party but i think they've got to stop treating reform as a vote for labour, because people have plugged in a labour victory. they've got to start taking reform on, on the arguments. >> and this is incredible, dave. i mean, you covered brexit campaign for the express very, very closely. >> went up and down the country speaking to red wall voters this may well appeal to those people. this may well appeal to bill your old voters who then switched to boris johnson and the tories in 2019. i mean, this is a you know, this idea of helping the little man is of great appeal to the working classes of this country, isn't it

they're not saying he won't ever join the tory party. riends on those backbenches who he wants to join him in the reform uk party on the on the green benches. >> well chris hope, an excellent start to the show from merthyr tydfil. thank you very much for joining us and thank you nigel. now to get more reaction to what reform uk has said, i'm now joined by sunil sharma, who's the chief operating officer with conservative friends of the commonwealth. thanks for joining us sunil. always a pleasure. so nigel farage there all guns blazing as you'd expect, saying there's no chance of him during there's no chance of him during the conservative party because the conservative party because the true conservatives are in the true conservatives are in the wrong party. basically saying sunil sharma, the conservative party is having a death rattle. it's time for the true conservatives to join reform. what do you say to that ? reform. what do you say to that? >> i think it's really interesting and i think with nigel farage, i think probably the end goal

i think the tory party has got lots of policies but no one's listening. ey're down three points since they launched the campaign. so no one cares what they're saying. it seems amongst they're saying. it seems amongst the poll, amongst the public, according to the polls , they according to the polls, they talk which is the next big thing is inflation. that's down at 2. we will cut taxes. labour will put them up. the problem the tory party has got is the tories have put up taxes too. so they might be saying trust is on tax. but over the past five years they have ramped up tax to pay for the ukraine war. the energy shock and covid. so it kind of undermines almost the pm's messaging . messaging. >> christopher, you just mentioned the name boris johnson and we've heard in the past few minutes we now have a release date for his memoir for boris johnson. it's called unleashed. tell us what we know . tell us what we know. >> that's right. he's never far away from anyone's thoughts in westminster, even though he's not even an mp and he's spending half of the electi

earlier on asked michael gove is the tory party corrupt ? out of the tory party corrupt? out of the tory party corrupt? out of the full outside story on that? get your views in the usual way. gbnews.com/yoursay but before all of that is your headlines, sam francis . sam francis. >> martin, thank you and very good afternoon to you. it's just after 3:00. and the top stories from the newsroom . well, with from the newsroom. well, with just two weeks to go until polling day, rishi sunak is under more pressure after two conservative candidates have been accused of election betting. sir keir starmer is calling on the prime minister to withdraw his support . withdraw his support. >> this candidate should be suspended and it's very telling that rishi sunak has not already done that. if it was one of my candidates, they'd be gone and their feet would not have touched the floor. >> those comments from sir keir starmer come as laura saunders and her husband, who's the conservative campaign director now facing an investigation by the gambling commission . and so the gambling commissi

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when he became prime minister, when he took over as leader of the tory party.ame the prime minister without being democratically the selected the selected prime minister when he became the selected prime minister, he had the perfect opportunity then to say, look , none of this baggage say, look, none of this baggage belongs to me. i'm going to go to the country now. i'm going to ask for my own mandate. he didn't do that. why because he has been advised by these idiots from the get go . this is the from the get go. this is the problem with sunak. he listens to these people who are advising him very, very badly. >> john btec quick conspiracy theory. this guy at the other tv channel, emma's not mentioning he's called brand and he was part of getting rid of boris johnson. and then sunak was able to slip in. maybe that guy's got some kind of something on sunak, you know, something, something he can't say no to. >> however, it's not all plain sailing for sir keir starmer, who, according to the itv debate, emma woolf will allow relatives to die rather than receive pri

some differ here and there, but overall the picture is a landslide for the tory party. o that, there's been an emerging conservative party betting scandal with now two candidates being investigated for allegedly betting on the surprise date. the july 4th, polling day. it's complicated because laura saunders is the is the candidate in bristol north west. she's one we know about craig williams. he's the former parliamentary private secretary to rishi sunak. but ms saunders husband is a man called tony leigh. he's the director of national campaigning for the tory party he's in charge of the whole thing. the entire campaign . he thing. the entire campaign. he has now taken a leave of absence as of yesterday. separate of that, we know that a member of rishi sunaks close protection team in the police has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office, allegedly again about the timing of the election. now, earlier, i asked michael gove on a visit to brentwood, the housing secretary, about both those issues. the polls and whether his party was corrupt. here's what we

of the future of conservative opposition looks like, admitting he would be willing to lead the tory partyin the future. what does that say about the future of conservatism? plus are we to trust the labour party with our constitution? new reforms suggest parliament could be changed beyond all recognition. state of the nation starts now . state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my panel, the journalist and conservative peer lord goodman, and the gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, plus a host of other experts and head honchos. all that's coming up after your very latest headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> tom, thank you very much. the top stories this hour. sir keir starmer set out labour's manifesto today, reaffirmed his commitment to no rises to income tax or national insurance. the labour leader put economic growth and stability at the core of his party's plan, promising to end what he called a desperate era of gestures and gimmicks . desperate era of gestures and gimmicks. back on the campaign trail in crewe, he rejected rishi sunak su

and however good parties get at doing politics, or if you look at the tory campaign at the moment, howeverdoing politics, ultimately when it comes to a campaign, they're not in control. and as journalists that's actually quite glorious to watch. one of the big stories of the week has been the return with a capital r of nigel farage, and i wonder what you both make of it. computer chimes. i've alluded to the fact that... and a nice song! i hope every time i speak, i hope i get music. but basically, first, as i've alluded to, he wasn't meant to be in this campaign at all. and there's been senior tories on radio 4 talking to the world at one, saying, "why on earth didn't you just do a deal with the man?" and laura, i mean, you've been following this for much longer than me. are you surprised by this crossover, single crossover poll? no. so there had been a lot of anticipation of this idea that the reform party, which was built out of the brexit party, which was built out of ukip, which was built out of the traditional eurosceptic movement in the conservative party, there was huge anticipation

that is a tory party right now. e being attacked from left and right, from, from obviously the main opposition problem, which is keir starmers labour party, but also the reform party is getting its teeth stuck in. and i'm not sure mr sunak knows what he's doing or where to go. and this is entirely of his own making. you have to. it's not as though he's forced into an election. he wasn't meant to have this until until november. >> this is all on the basis that you can only win an election from the right, and not from the centre. >> you know, the cameron osborne argument is you don't need to go full farage. you've got to be broad church because you've got to unite two different constituencies . these tories constituencies. these tories that love nigel farage and tories that hated . tories that hated. >> yeah, but i think we need to stop talking as though we're still in the 2000 and the 2010s. we're in a new politics. we are approaching what many people can feel without being too dramatic, but they can feel this is almo

that is a tory party right now. e being attacked from left and right, from, from obviously the main opposition problem, which is keir starmers labour party, but also the reform party is getting its teeth stuck in. and i'm not sure mr sunak knows what he's doing or where to go. and this is entirely of his own making. you have to. it's not as though he's forced into an election. he wasn't meant to have this until until november. >> this is all on the basis that you can only win an election from the right, and not from the centre. >> you know, the cameron osborne argument is you don't need to go full farage. you've got to be broad church because you've got to unite two different constituencies . these tories constituencies. these tories that love nigel farage and tories that hated . tories that hated. >> yeah, but i think we need to stop talking as though we're still in the 2000 and the 2010s. we're in a new politics. we are approaching what many people can feel without being too dramatic, but they can feel this is almo

of the future of conservative opposition looks like, admitting he would be willing to lead the tory party what does that say about the future of conservatism? plus are we to trust the labour party with our constitution? new reforms suggest parliament could be changed beyond all recognition. state of the nation starts now . state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my panel, the journalist and conservative peer lord goodman, and the gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, plus a host of other experts and head honchos. all that's coming up after your very latest headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> tom, thank you very much. the top stories this hour. sir keir starmer set out labour's manifesto today, reaffirmed his commitment to no rises to income tax or national insurance. the labour leader put economic growth and stability at the core of his party's plan, promising to end what he called a desperate era of gestures and gimmicks . desperate era of gestures and gimmicks. back on the campaign trail in crewe, he rejected rishi sunak suggestion of hi

of the future of conservative opposition looks like, admitting he would be willing to lead the tory party what does that say about the future of conservatism? plus are we to trust the labour party with our constitution? new reforms suggest parliament could be changed beyond all recognition. state of the nation starts now . state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my panel, the journalist and conservative peer lord goodman, and the gb news senior political commentator

the prime minister says he'll stay on as an mp, even if the tory party lose the general election. t he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has overtaken the tories for the first time. the party's leader , first time. the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested that he can be the voice of opposition . well, labour is opposition. well, labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments a week . sir keir appointments a week. sir keir starmer's claiming that waiting lists could rise to 10 million if the conservatives remain in power. however experts at the institute for fiscal studies say that claim is highly unlikely. meanwhile, the lib dem leader has been tackling a racetrack today and a trampoline two on the election campaign trail, we have lift—off the bounce in the polls coming . campaigning in polls coming. campaigning in surrey, he said. he hopes that blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for the opposition . sir ed is pledging opposition. sir ed is pledging to scrap elected police and crime commis

the tory party manifesto. lib dems, labourin tory party manifesto.ems, labour in the labour manifesto . labour in the labour manifesto. there's nothing about proportional representation and why should they be? the parties on set for a three figure majority ? why on earth would you majority? why on earth would you want to change the rules? >> would you mess with it? >> would you mess with it? >> well, why would you, we have we have, of course. certainly 18 months ago at the, at the labour conference when the polls were much tighter or is all about the deal you with lib dems to be in power and lib dems want, proportional representation, as does the reform uk . we'll hear does the reform uk. we'll hear more from reform uk on monday when they unveil their manifesto. >> we get to see it a manifesto on monday from reform, sean simon, let me bring you in on this one, reform a threat to the conservatives? sure. also a threat to labour in some seats, no, not not not really. no, there are they're a threat to there are they're a threat to the conservatives and

when he became prime minister, when he took over as leader of the tory party.ame the prime minister without being democratically the selected the selected prime minister when he became the selected prime minister, he had the perfect opportunity then to say, look , none of this baggage say, look, none of this baggage belongs to me. i'm going to go to the country now. i'm going to ask for my own mandate. he didn't do that. why because he has been advised by these idiots from the get go . this is the from the get go. this is the problem with sunak. he listens to these people who are advising him very, very badly. >> john btec quick conspiracy theory. this guy at the other tv channel, emma's not mentioning he's called brand and he was part of getting rid of boris johnson. and then sunak was able to slip in. maybe that guy's got some kind of something on sunak, you know, something, something he can't say no to. >> however, it's not all plain sailing for sir keir starmer, who, according to the itv debate, emma woolf will allow relatives to die rather than receive pri

he's resigned himself as a tory party member, he said . as a tory party member, he said.s, it was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation . either way, cynical calculation. either way, it revealed to me that while i still embrace a concerted philosophy , martin i know i'm no philosophy, martin i know i'm no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns. before party always that's ian jason , party always that's ian jason, the government's anti extremism advisor . he the government's anti extremism advisor. he is still there as that advisor role, but he's quit as a tory party member and across the board . there will be across the board. there will be real concern. i think about the impact this might have. some are saying it might lead to crossover in the polls . the crossover in the polls. the moment that might happen when the tory party goes into third place behind behind reform uk reform uk's leader , nigel reform uk's leader, nigel farage, is in this debate this seven way debate. the tory candidate

offer to lots and lots of groups , particularly young people, who are offered one thing by the tory partyvice , and are offered a range service, and are offered a range of things by the labour party . of things by the labour party. >> okay, let's go to one of those things that is offered to young people from the labour party equalising the national minimum wage. now, when you worked for tony blair, of course , he introduced the minimum wage. many people warned that it would increase unemployment. one of the reasons why it didn't, or at least didn't drastically compared to where unemployment might have been otherwise, is that there was a committee established to set out what the rules of the minimum wage should be, that it should be kept low enough that you wouldn't put too many people out of work. and one of the recommendations of that committee was to offer a graduated step into the minimum wage, because one of the big risks, of course, when you have a price floor on wages, is young people are the first to get the cut. why then, is keir starmer so desperate to get rid of that plan that w

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labour 37 points, reform 19 points tory party 18 points, i spoke to david bull afterwards . nts, i spoke to david bull afterwards. he's the co—deputy leader of reform uk and i got him to say i pushed him on this. what's a good result for reform uk? he said four mps. now i put it to you both . if reform get four mps and both. if reform get four mps and if they're second in the share of the of the votes, come election day and the tory party get maybe 80 to 90 mps, what does that say about our political system? i mean, it's a real challenge there for nigel farage. what will he say about that? will he question the result? say, it's not fair. i think this one is going to bubble and bubble right up to election day. but as of today in westminster, we've been hearing from the tory party, laura trott's been. she's a shadow chief. she's the chief secretary of treasury. and getting ahead of treasury. and getting ahead of yourself there, christopher. tax increases . yes, indeed. tax increases. yes, indeed. well, maybe. but labour's, sorry tom. labour's tax increases here. they the tories

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uk party has moved to one point, now behind the conservative party it also shows support for the tory party has fallen to just 18. that's down one percentage point on last week. the survey puts labour on 38, with the tories on 18, reform on 17, the lib dems on 15 and the greens on 8. now the home secretary, james cleverly, has condemned the attack on nigel farage after objects were thrown at him during a campaign event this morning. at him during a campaign event this morning . police have now this morning. police have now arrested a 28 year old man on suspicion of public order offences. it's understood a coffee cup possibly building rubble, narrowly missing. then reform uk leader who is on top of his party's battle bus in barnsley in yorkshire, in the town centre this morning, mr farage was addressing supporters when he was interrupted by a crowd of demonstrators. he said he'd been warned previously by police not to get off the bus . police not to get off the bus. also in the news today, rishi sunak says he isn't blind to the fact that people are frustrated with him as he launched the cons

the tory party, perhaps because also there are many imperialist romantics.s, you know, that there are more than 10 million foreign born people in this country today. born people in this country today . around half of them today. around half of them arrived within the last decade. there's around 5 million people. it's probable that there are therefore between 2 to 4, maybe even 5 million commonwealth citizens in this country. now, in this election that may not prove decisive. but in previous elections, there has only been a 2 million vote difference in the vote share between labour and tory. so we're talking about potentially in the future, the government of this country being decided by non—citizens . decided by non—citizens. >> so what what reform would you suggest in order to perhaps equalise or rationalise this model? >> well, the first thing, of course, would be to abolish any rights of voting for those countries that don't have reciprocal arrangements , as you reciprocal arrangements, as you said, you know, ireland does does have that some of the canbbe

we haven't yet reached crossover when reform become the second biggest party, ahead of the tory party may not happen, but the trend looking like it could happen. labour party quite quiet today. we've had a push back from rachel reeves about this tory manifesto i showed you in there. it says there might be £17 billion worth of tax cuts. the tories claim labour are saying the sums don't add up and that the sums are built on big cuts to the benefits bill. by the end of the next parliament and closing what they call the tax gap. that's the difference between what the treasury, the treasury, the hmrc should pull in in tax and doesn't because of avoidance and evasion. so and they do they do claim politically that sunak is copying liz truss and just finally liberal democrats, again they've been attacking this , they've been attacking this, this manifesto saying that it's not worth the paper. it's written on. yeah, indeed. >> let me ask you this as well, because you i know you've referenced this on social media as well. after rishi sunak's kind of speech and presentation, the first journalist

nigel farage is out to destroy the tory party. but did david miliband to mainstream politics? ership with other conservative centre right parties in europe? it was you, david cameron , who, blaming david cameron, who, blaming nigel farage for picking up the pieces and making them into a better shape, i just think is a bit late in the day. well it's not really nigel farage's job to support the conservative party >> i mean, reform uk are a party in their own right, so why should they? i don't see why they should do that. jess gill, i think reform do have an opportunity to be a new opposition party. >> and even if it's not reform , >> and even if it's not reform, i think they they're paving the way for a real opposition party, because quite frankly, there's not that much difference between labour and conservative at the moment. >> as farage said, we don't believe that the conservative party are going to control immigration and immigration. i'm currently in clarkson right now actually campaigning on behalf of reform. and honestly, like they don't believe that it the conservative pa

. >> in its first 100 days of government , the tory party says government, the tory party says a comprehensiveeview would be launched to look at licensing laws, planning rules and other enforcements they say is holding back growth. it says the sector was disproportionately impacted by the covid pandemic and the war in ukraine, which drove up food, drink and energy prices. rishi sunak says representatives for bars , pubs and music venues for bars, pubs and music venues deserve more support for the work they put into serving local communities. >> it's right that they get the support they need. they've been let down by labour, whether that's here in london where those types of venues are closing at a rapid rate with multiple job losses , or indeed multiple job losses, or indeed in wales, where labour is hiking up their taxes , a conservative up their taxes, a conservative government will support all those venues to make sure that they can continue creating jobs and drive our economy forward and drive our economy forward and continue providing an enormous amount of enjoyment in our local communiti

according to the tory party, if labour get in, they will push up taxes. say no. we won't and we will. we'll, we'll bring them down for working, working people and that find out now. >> electoral calculus poll for gb news. and the mirror pointed out that rishi sunak himself might lose his seats. many many senior conservatives in peril. well this is the heartfelt plea to gb news viewers directly. excellent work. thank you very much . will it work? well, let's much. will it work? well, let's ask that question now to the former sky political correspondent peter spencer , who correspondent peter spencer, who joins me on the line. peter, always a pleasure to have your company looking resplendent as everin company looking resplendent as ever in that wondrous pink kitchen of yours . peter, may kitchen of yours. peter, may i ask you this does to us grizzled cynics here feel a little bit like 2019? it was anyone but corbyn. abc now, as chris said , corbyn. abc now, as chris said, abs, anyone but starmer making a plea a heartfelt plea to gb news viewers. you can be t

the party's honorary president is hoping for a tory wipe—out so he can absorb the party and transformsh politics? yes. we're going to come to you first on this one. emma, what do you i mean, it's a very, very strong message he's sending out there . i mean, well, sending out there. i mean, well, tories abolished. i'm in charge. >> well, look , i mean, he's >> well, look, i mean, he's talking about, you know, what will be left after i think this raises the issue of what will be left after the election, because there will be precious little left of the tory party if we're talking about 66 seats. yeah, there's not that much to absorb. he's talking about reshaping the centre right. and i think for me, this is a really good a really interesting point about what is left. what does the tory party look like after the next election, because you've seen the list of the big beasts, the gb news poll showing the big beasts who are likely to lose their seats or possible to lose their seats or possible to lose their seats. we know that many nearly 80, maybe over 80 by now, mps are standing down. so,

tory party. the latest fees in their desperate struggle for survival is to bring back national service , the national national service, the national service. the snp is going to perform for scotland is to remove this tory government from . office. in scotland, the snp is the challenger in every single tory held seat . so the electoral held seat. so the electoral maths is clear. if you want rishi sunak out of downing street, vote for the scottish national party. to put it bluntly, across the uk, the tories are on course for a huge defeat. a wipe—out . voters in defeat. a wipe—out. voters in england are going to send them packing . that is not in doubt . packing. that is not in doubt. and that begs the question what kind of change if any, is that going to mean at westminster ? going to mean at westminster? now, i'm not saying that labour are exactly the same as the tories. they're not. but they are giving an awfully good impression of them . the only impression of them. the only substantive change

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the reform party. >> he could then decide to switch, as people do, from time to time, join the tory partymself the leader of a faction which is obviously a right wing faction, and suddenly find himself a leader effectively of the conservative party and people have been speculating for a long, long time that that is actually nigel farage's big goal in life, that you can always do something more serious or more profound within a larger organisation. >> it was what donald trump did with the republican party. he could have stood as an independent. he did once try to for stand the reform party in the united states, which was a significant party in the 1990s, but of course, he decided in the end that going for the bigger party and changing it from within was the more effective political strategy. do you think that perhaps nigel is learning from his friend donald trump ? from his friend donald trump? >> i dare say he is. >> read a great many rooms , of >> read a great many rooms, of which one? >> that is clearly one. >> that is clearly one. >> but i mean , increasingly, as >> but i mean, increas

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nepal from the labour party, giles watling from the tory party. bensalem from the lib dems, nigel farage, reform uk , dems, nigel farage, reform uk, natasha osbourne from the green party, craig jamieson from the climate party, tony mac from the, what is an independent? and tassos, papanastasiou from the heritage party and andrew pemberton , from ukip. so there pemberton, from ukip. so there you go. you see, that's what i like about gb news because, everyone talks about spin rooms, this and battle rooms that and battle buses that . but actually, battle buses that. but actually, who knows what goes on in those places. it's nice, isn't it, to get behind the scenes. look, we've got just a few hours to go until, registrations for, voting close. so 23, 59, to be precise. everyone, how do you think we can galvanise more people to register to vote? >> sean, i think there's three things to say. firstly, we've got to teach that voting is important. >> hang on. if you're wanting to do it by the way, you can get your smartphones out now. open up your smartpho

every single party is going down. the tories are an exception.this moment would come. this is the inflection point where we are actually now the opposition. and that's very exciting. >> only one poll, yougov, other polls have you a bit behind other polls. have you been a lot behind the tory party in second place? >> just you wait just you wait. and this is the point that actually, i think when you are in a metropolitan city, i don't think people really understand what's going on in the country. i've seen this once before , and i've seen this once before, and that was in the brexit vote, where the metropolitan cities said there is no way they will vote to leave. and we voted to leave. i'm seeing it again wherever i go around this country , people are saying, country, people are saying, thank goodness nigel is here. thank goodness you're here. the country is broken and nigel is right. the country is broken. nothing works . nothing works in nothing works. nothing works in this country. whether it's the roads, whether it's potholes, whether it's bein

and i'm pushing as much as i can for it. >> it's not going to happen now, if only because the tory party really exist. i mean, we have a number of candidates. we don't have any members of parliament. we still have a leader of the conservative party. but there simply isn't the mechanism by which any of that could happen, because we don't know who's going to be the next parliament. we don't know whether it's going to be 50 or 200 conservatives. so none of these things, it seems to me, can happen mechanistically. >> all they have to do is make him the leader. >> who's they? how >> who's they? how >> the parliamentary party. >> the parliamentary party. >> there isn't a parliamentary party. there are no members of parliament. >> well, i mean, there will be a nanosecond before it happens . nanosecond before it happens. and that's when it happens. i mean, you know, it's not beyond the will of man to accomplish that. somebody is going to be in that. somebody is going to be in that position. and what i'm saying is what makes sense for both the tories and reform and most importantly, the electorat

they want to rid of this disastrous, chaotic tory government. they want a partyhatis tory government. they want a party that is laser focused on their concerns, a party that is going to help them and their families live happier, healthier lives. in other words, they want a party that puts their interests first. they want a party that puts scotland's interests first. and for the snp, as the party of independence, there is a clear task they have set for us. to demonstrate why achieving independence is relevant and indeed vital to their core concerns. so let me take each of those in turn. removing the tory government, putting scotland's interests first and winning the decision—making powers that come with independence. firstly... applause firstly, getting rid of the tories. never has a party demonstrated why they should be removed from office more than rishi sunak�*s tory party. applause the latest wheeze in their desperate struggle to survival is to bring back national service. the national service the snp is going to perform for scotland is to remove this tory gov