in irvine he is a political analyst and an advisor to the transitional national council of libya in washington we have who really are as a he is a senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies and in london we crossed to john reeves he is a national officer of stop the war coalition and another member of our cross talk team yelena hunger are a gentleman who's crossed you can jump in anytime you want john i want to go to you how is this humanitarian intervention going in libya and how do you define success how do you define failure when it comes to these kind of endeavors but i think it was always a very risky operation not least because the hard purpose through to save the lives of civilians was never going to be easy and it certainly wasn't the main motivation i think the main motivation wasn't the saving of civilian life i think the foreign powers united states britain france primarily were very much discounted probably unfolding of the arab revolutions in tunisia and egypt they could see that it was spreading beyond their original countries of success they wanted to go for gold

gadhafi forces as thousands flee fighting in western cities figures indeed from libya's transitional national council just ten thousand people have died since the beginning of the conflict elsewhere in the arab world syria is lifting its nearly half a century old state of emergency giving into one of the main demands of the protesters there and their leader of the day security forces opened fire to disperse an anti-government demonstration in the country's third largest city this video did was taken on the streets of homs during heavy gunfire before dawn and choose to have human rights campaigners say more than two hundred people have died in the lethal crackdown since demonstrations began it comes as new disclosures the tape by wiki leaks suggest that the u.s. is we secretly financing some syrian opposition groups intent on toppling president bush. destroyed unravel all this cross live to mark a member of the british parliament for the northern ireland based s t l p party to discuss the on earth league spy the online whistleblower this is the things playing with his head as you see it there's all th

. >> the rebels transitional national council held a press conference in benghazi after meeting with delegates from the african union. rejecting the cease-fire plan, they said there could be no peace while muammar gaddafi remains in power. muammar gaddafi has embraced the plans, but the rebels say his words are not matched by his actions. they say his forces have stepped up their shelling of one of the main centers of the conflict. the chief of nato suggested he had announced cease-fires in the past but had not kept his promises. >> and the cease-fire must be credible and bible -- and a verifiable. as this united nations security council has made clear, there must be a complete end to violence. and a complete and to all attacks against and abuses of civilians. >> nato said it would press on with air strikes as long as muammar gaddafi's forces continued to target the civilian population. so does this rejection of the ceasefire put an end to the african union efforts to reach a negotiated settlement? that is a question i put to our correspondent in benghazi. >> it is certainly a failed

to the top of the west not intervene there was a democratic structure in benghazi the transitional national council was a body represented by twenty local council beneath it but when the western powers intervene the people become selected to become the leadership of it are people who have a career of the west therefore the whole democratic process of representing the libyan people become distorted there are people who know the era of the west who are the authorities the people who can broker the deals over move for intervention in the people that can broker the deal that's taking place with qatar got the sale of all the whole principle of a popular democratic revolution becomes corroded corrupted and demeaned by the intervention of the western powers and what did you experience in the region what's your feeling about this sort of sentiment the need to prevail that mistreats now i think is a very very powerful impulse both to have a democratic society but also i think the roots of the revolutions are to do with a rejection of the neo liberal economics which let's face it the mubarak was very strongl

i have several -- made several contacts with the transitional national council, and those revolutionaries who are trying to free themselves from the gadhafi tyranny. in fact, omar turby, right here, just returned from libya and has -- was meeting there with the transition. thank you, omar. and he assure me, as well as some of the other contacts that i have had, that the council has agreed that they will pay all of the cost of american operations in support of their efforts to free themselves from the gadhafi dictatorship. what is your understanding about that? >> congressman, i haven't heard anything specifically to that point, but we have had positive discussions about them about their support for what we're doing in trying to make this success for all of us. in general, we have taken the position that the assets that have been frozen are for the benefit of the libyan people. so were there to be a democratic transition that would be a decision. >> let's me ask you specifically, the administration does support, does it not, or maybe you can tell me they are not at this point supporting, t

colonel gadhafi forces this thousands flee fighting in western cities figures from libya's transitional national council suggest ten thousand people have died since the beginning of the conflict and elsewhere in the arab world syria is lifting its nearly half a century old state of emergency giving into one of the main demands of the protesters earlier in the day security forces opened fire to disperse an anti-government demonstration in the country's third largest city this video data was taken of the streets of homes during heavy gunfire before dawn on tuesday human rights campaigners say movement two hundred people have died in the lethal crackdown since the demonstrations began all this comes as new disclosures the tape by wiki leaks suggest the u.s. has been secretly financing some syrian opposition intent on toppling president bashar al assad. many share the opinion that washington is pursuing a larger goal than just regime change across the arab world. fish from the institute of world economy and international relations he told us at r.t. that he thought the uprisings are being instigated by wash

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mccain called the members of the transitional national council a powerful and hopeful example of what a free libya could be. >> they need to have the sanctions that are on them, on the provisional council, to be lifted. they need to have a... in my view to be recognized by the united states. >> reporter: council members think they've found a friend in high places. >> he understands the basic demands of the libyan people so we're happy. we're glad. we're proud. >> reporter: the rebel military effort also got a vote of confidence, but not a total commitment from the senator. >> they also need weapons, but those, i think, could be provided by other countries. >> reporter: you don't see the u.s. providing weapons for them at this stage? >> i think we could facilitate, as we did in the afghan conflict against the russians, but i think other countries are able to do that. >> reporter: in the senator's view, what the rebel fighters need most are anti-armor weapons, targeting equipment and, above all, better communications. as big a morale booster as senator mccain's presence was, the simple

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i have several -- made several contacts with the transitional national council, and those revolutionaries who are trying to free themselv from the gadhafi tynny. in fact, omar turby, right here, just returned from libya and has -- was meeting there with the transition. thank you, omar. and he assure me, as well as some of the other contacts that i have had, that the council has agreed that they will pay all of the cost of american operations in support of their efforts to free themselves from the gadhafi dictatorship. what is your understanding about that? >> congressman, i haven't heard anything specifically to that point, but we have had positive discussions about them about their support for what we're doing in trying to make this success for all of us. in general, we have taken the position that the assets that have been frozen are for the benefit of the libyan people. so were there to be a democratic transition that would be a decision. >> let's me ask you specifically, the administration does support, does it not, or maybe you can tell me they are not at this point supporting, the p

: senator mccain also urged every nation especially the united states to recognize the transitional national council as the legitimate voice of the libyan people. >> they've earned this right and gadhafi has forfeited it by waging war on his own people. >> senator mccain is the senior republican on the armed services committee and the highest ranking official to visit libya since the uprising. >>> 700 women are testing a new combat university with shorting sleeves and pant legs. current uniforms are made to fit men's proportions. the army is also looking to designing body armor that fits women's bodies better. of course many women already serve in noncombat roles in war zones. >>> we're going to take a quick break, we'll be right back. >>> firefighters in watsonville are using foam tonight on a fire started -- firefighters have been unable to get inside the building. >>> the problem is the panels contain pcbs. the navy built the hanger back in 1972. the navy has handed over the building to nasa. >>>-- the faa has warned that its air traffic controllers were fatigued on the job. we got a report that

that kind of vip trip is exactly what the transitional national council has been looking for as they seek recognition from someone that can be dealt with. now senator mccain told us today that what he really thinks should happen is that $30 billion in assets that are already frozen, that belong to libya, should be released to the transitional national council so that they can get this part of the country working. we also asked him whether or not he thought the idea that predator drones would be armed was mission creep or an idea whose time has come? >> i hope the president will be effective, and it will hopefully prevent further humanitarian disaster taking place in misrata. >> now, the people of misrata, of course, will be very happy to see predator drones, but the lines are so close together, nato can't do very much. and as the battle just keeps going on, casualties keep mounting up. in fact, in the hospital where we were yesterday, they came in in a steady stream and that was considered a light day and the more that can be done, the more the people of misrata will be happy, chris.

a plan so the house can know how the national transitional pencil might be in a position to offer help to be the be in military opposition? >> the national council organize themselves over the last five weeks. they have a president in mr. jalil. they have an executive prime minister, mr. jabr real. they are speaking to allies not just in the east of libya where they are based, but in van ghazi in recent days. there are towns in the west that have also declared their adherence to the national council. they are making a genuine effort to include people in their work. beyond their current operations. they believe there is a story. i do believe they believe in a transition. they're working to carry it out. >> i thought it was pretty clear that the western sahara has been used for recording camps -- recruiting can't predict what pressure can we put formally -- " what pressure can we put -- has been used for recruiting camps. what pressure can we put formally or informally to deal with this? >> we will make that very clear and there will be consequences of it, but we have to have the clear evidence of it. but the foreign secretary may well have the ag

representative for the humanitarian agencies, member states and relief committee by the transitional national council. while the tripoli i met with libya's government officials, ambassadors of member states and heads of the humanitarian community. in tripoli we signed an agreement with the government of libya ensuring the protection for humanitarian aid organization and granted access for those in need especially in areas we are fighting taking place. specifically the government agrees to fasuba the assumption that the u.n. humanitarian presence in tripoli to coordinate the delivery of humanitarian assistance to provide the security guarantees necessary for the u.n. humanitarian presence under the control of the libyan government and to facilitate the entry and exit of humanitarian staff and the input of all material equipment necessary to support the u.n. humanitarian presence in libya. we need humanitarian teams on the ground so that we can get a sense of what is actually happening to assess the needs to enable us to plan and respond effectively. we plan to send a team into tripoli as early as we c

ambassador to libya says the opposition group known as the transitional national council as a political group, quote, worthy of the support of the united states. ambassador gene cretz briefed reporters on the latest military actions against forces in libya. this is 40 minutes. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. >> i offer you greetings and hopes will go easier on the questions. good afternoon, i'm here today to update you on our efforts in libya, the measure never special envoy to the tnt and to progress the international coalition has made in stopping the fertility and bloodshed of the regime. since the last time i spoke with you it has become clear that gadhafi have no intentions of seizing the violence and bloodshed despite the claims of the recent days the regime forces have continued to commit atrocities in misrata and the mountains. as the secretary said the united states condemns the gadhafi's continued brutal attacks on the libyan people could in violation of the resolution which calls for a call to the cost of such attacks on civilians and immediate cease-fire. the indust

. >> well, in benghazi, things are quiet and calm, and they have a transitional national council that is basically governing the area under their control. in misrata, it is quite bloody, david. when i was there, a ship had just arrived from misrata filled with refugees and the wounded, and i went to the hospital there in misrata and i saw a lot of young men who were dead and dying and gravely wounded. this is a pretty bloody situation, and it has the earmarks of being a stalemate. now, we hope that gadhafi will crumble from within, but hope is not a strategy, and it's pretty obvious to me that we need -- even though i was glad to see the predator now in the fight, it's pretty obvious to me that the united states has got to play a greater role in the air power side. our nato allies neither have the assets, nor, frankly, the will. there's only 6 countries of the 28 in nato that are actively engaged in this situation. >> so, if you talk about predators being used, supplies for the rebels. if it comes to it, senator, would you like to see this president okay ground troops going in, if tha

jabril of the interim transitional national council and i was reassured to see that those people who are forming an alternative government in benghazi wanted to be entering an transitional. they are democrats, they're not travel, and they want to see a future for the whole of libya where the people have a choice in how they are governed. i was encouraged by what i heard. >> last week, i have the privilege of meeting a group of 25 women studying english for speakers of other languages courses in lewisham. they and i share the prime minister's desire that every migrant in the u.k. should speak the language of their new home. given the prime minister's belief that the practical things can make a big difference to community cohesion, will he commit today to putting a stop to this government's short- sighted cuts two english- language courses? >> we will have to take some difficult decisions over students -- student numbers, and the priority should be to ensure that our universities can go on attracting the best and brightest from around the world. i will come on to the hon. lady's point.

he was in talks with a representative of the national transitional council in benghazi. guest: he was a spokesman of the transitional council which is the defacto government of the opposition. he is also the deputy to the head of the council. he also met with other council members. he was speaking to the council which was not elected but is said to be representative of the eastern region for now as they continue this war. they maintain that benghazi is not their capital and aaa is there a true capital. when gaddafi is ousted, that were -- that will be where the government will be located, in tripoli. host: two missiles had apparently been fired by nato warplanes and struck the gaddafi compound in central triple the early saturday but caused no injuries. is there an update on the missile attack? guest: no, i don't have an update on the nato attack. i have little communication here. the attacks are some things -- are something that the opposition is welcoming. they believe gaddafi is residing in tripoli. they have a number of deaths of they are suffering. 400 people have d

we regard the national transitional council, a legitimate political interlow cuted. is it sufficiently organized to represent a realistic government for the country, something that can pull together a current military struggle, a future economy and the rest of it? >> if i may ask to say something about that. but, you know, let's be frank about this conflict. if we want to see our objectives achieved, then one would be seeing a military force capable of taking on the regime. we've made very clear that we are not in business for that. that's not what the resolution allows us to do. it is not within the aims of the united kingdom or nato. if we want to change the equilibrium nonetheless. the way to do that is to degrade the regime and hopefully bring about a change in the behavior of that regime, vis-a-vis the civil population. that is the option open to us by our continued use of air power and the degradation of the assets of the gadhafi regime. it is clearly the side that we -- the path we have chosen to take within the legality set out by the u.n. resolution. but pet

first, i encourage every nation especially the united states to recognize the transitional national council as a legitimate voice of the libyan people. they've earned this right. >> (cheering & applause) >> khaddafi has forfeited why waging war on his own people. second, governments copy in the khaddafi regime should release some of that money to the traditional national council so they can sustain, improve and expand the capacity to gov.. third, we need to urgently step up in nato air command >>mark: under john mccain head of the armed forces committee he is in libya who is your looking live in the stronghold city of it was the beginning of this month the rebel forces took over the town. now we are seeing senator mccain: the rebels his heroes, he is there right now live meeting with the rebels and assessing their needs. we will fall the latest, we will be right back. ♪ [ alarm buzzing ] another victim of frequent flyer red tape. [ tires screech ] seat restrictions got him stuck in a vicious circle. it's just not right! i keep earning miles, but it seems like i can never use them. the all-n

he's met with high-level members of the transitional -- sorry, the tnc, the transitional national council. and he's also met with chairman abdul jalil, rather, and we're getting a better sense as a result of those meetings of both the tnc and its vision for libya going forward. and i have no sense of or no firm date for his departure. he remains on the ground. >> any decision regarding armed rebels? -- orman the rebels? >> no decision. it remains on the table, but no decision has been made. >> what's the expectation? >> sorry, can i -- >> go ahead. >> would you expect from the doe hall meeting, the contact group? >> will again, it's mostly -- it is obviously a follow on from the meeting in london and it's an opportunity to build consensus to discuss with our international parties -- or partners, rather -- next steps regarding libya. and as i said, bill burns is going to lead the u.s. delegation there. >> change topic? >> yes, kirit? >> another subject. on north korea, but can you tell us about this american being held? >> not a lot. i can say that there is an individual who is in north ko

question is whether it is something that will result in the -- [inaudible] we regard the national transitional council i think the legitimate political organization, but if they sufficiently unify and represent the realistic government for the country, i mean something that has been pulled together with the current military struggle, future for the economy and rest of it? >> if i may ask, want to say something, about that. but, i know, let's be frank about this conflict. if we want to see our objectives achieved then one would be seeing a military force capable of taking over the regime. we have made very clear we are not in the business for that. that's not what the resolution allows to us do. it is not within the aims of the united nations or nato. if we want to change the equalibrium nonetheless, we have to change in the regime vis-a-vis the civilian population. that is the option open to us by continued use of air power and degradation of assets of the the gadhafi regime. it is clearly the side or the path we have chosen to take within the legality set out by the u.n. resolution. i think to give a

in the national council of transition you have 11 known members and 20 unknown members. do you know why they are unknown? because they precisely belong to what you call the tribes of qaddafi. the tribe of qaddafi himself, it would have members of the rebel i don't know shadow belonging to the tribe of qaddafi and you have 18 others... >> can i... >> wait a minute. who are kept secret for security reasons because they believe to these tribes. libya is changing. you have a wind of... little wind, maybe. there will be some counter wind probably but a wind of liberty, of freedom, of citizenship, whatever. i believe that there is real... we were completely convinced that the arab world was stuck into authority and condemned to know democracy. they are giving us a great lesson, a lesson of values which we thought being only ours and we should be happy you and me. the three of us together at that. >> rose: let's go back to ben for a closing. >> is this really a democratic revolution throughout the middle east i'm all for it. >> rose: do you believe it is? >> i don't know. my co

states should follow france, qatar, and italy in recognizing the opposition government, a transitional national council as the sole legitimate government of libya. you know, i hear again and again, we don't know who these people are. well, i'll tell you who they are. they are people who rose up against an oppressive and brutal dictator and to assert their rights for freedom and democracy. that's who they are. and any allegation that they're dominated by al qaeda is patently false. we didn't know who was going to come off hitler but we wanted him gone. so this continuous stream that there's -- somehow this is al qaeda. it is not al qaeda. it's people who want freedom and democracy. they rose up peacefully, as the tunisians did and egyptians did. there's others across the middle east and north africa are now doing for economic opportunity and justice. that's why this regional awakening which some are calling the arab spring, rather than helping al qaeda is in fact the greatest repudiation of al qaeda that the world has ever seen. fifth, we need to facilitate the provision of weapons to the libyan opposit