trump was furious. he was furious and he yelled at esper you are taking we might authorities. >> he would not be pushed around and the unabashedly shoved his statesman at trump was sitting at the resolute desk. this is what i said. understand, don't misinterpret it. so this is one of the many incidents where milley just said, my god, there is a mental decline here. there is a danger and he had a wonderful phrase for it, which i want to read i don't ruin it. for milley said, this is the absolute darkest moment of theoretical possibility. in other words, the moment was dark but the possibility was theoretical, but then it became real when you mix it with the trump personality and this irrational raging. so what esper and milley realized -- on this, that they had actually checkmated -- i mean, we worked together for years. there's a point where you -- you keep the boss from doing what we be damage to the institution or even the boss, and they believe they checkmated trump on bringing the combat troops to w

to answer trump's call. one user asked, is the sixth d-day? is that why trump wants everyone there? another asserted, trump just told us all to come armed. getting a, this is happening. the third took even further. it will be wild means we need volunteers for the firing squad. jim watkins, the owner of 8kun, the fringe online forum that was the birthplace of the qanon extremist movement, confirmed the importance of trump's tweet. >> why did you first decide to go to d.c. for january 6th? >> when the president of the united states announced that he was going to have a rally, then i bought a ticket and went here. watkins was at the capitol on january 6th. some who have since been indicted for their involvement on the attack at the capitol also responded. one of them posted on the 19th, quote, calling all patriots, the in washington d.c., january the 6th. this wasn't organized by any group, dj t has invited us and it's going to be wild. some of the rhetoric turned openly homicidal and white nationalist. such as

trump did. tonight the focus will be on what he did not do during the 187 minutes after he spoke to the crowd on january 6th. until the president finally tweeted out a video telling his supporters to leave. the committee says they will show he failed to do anything in those hours to stop the assault. tonight they'll question two former staffers live, both in the white house that day, both resigned in protest soon after. the committee will show clips from some of the hundreds of interviews conducted with other white house staffers. the committee chairman congressman benny thompson has covid, so starting the hearing in a prerecorded video. and some of the material they present may contain explicit language. >> liz cheney to preside over this evening's hearing, including maintaining order in the room and swearing in our witnesses. over the last month and a half, thing select committee has told the story of a president who did everything in his power to overturn an election. he lied, he bullied, he

trump refused. let's examine his 2:38 tweet and more detail. for context, here is what was happening at the time. >> [shouting] >> they broke the glass? >> stay down. >> there are people flooding the hallways outside, we have no way out. >> we were just told that there is teargas in the rotunda, each of us needs a gas mask. >> we went from a peaceful protest and this is a dangerous situation right now. there are, i am being told, protesters on the inside are around both chambers and there is new -- now teargas inside the capitol rotunda members inside the house are being instructed to put on masks. >> after president trump's tweet about vice president trent -- vice president pence, you spoke to kayleigh mcenany, what did you tell her and where did she go afterwards? >> after the tweet about the vice president, i found kaylee and said that the president needed to immediately condemn what we were seeing. she aggrieved -- he agreed and walked to the oval dining room to see the president. others were ur

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i am a trump supporter. i will vote for trump if he's on the ticket.ut my goodness, we can't have two men, in my opinion, two good men that could run this country battling it out. you know, somebody's got to get out of the way. that's my whole point. so that one candidate can drive home their message. i hate to see two great americans like ron desantis and donald trump have to battle out, waste all that time and energy to -- host: robert, so you mentioned the primary. so are you talking about the former president's endorsements and whether he still has the juice in terms of carrying endorsed candidates across the finish line? what do you think about that senate rate down there and herschel walker? caller: you ask me about the senate race. you know, i'm not putting anything faith in any endorsements. i think at this day and time of the republican candidate, whether for the senate, governorship, they'll run on their own name. i don't think anybody needs an endorsement at this point. i don't put a whole lot of backing just because donald trump endorsed so

it's donald trump looking out for donald trump.n a lifetime occurrence. >> i don't know that i agree with you, to be fair with all due respect. one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup. >> i disagree with that. as somebody who has helped plan coup d'etat, not here, but other places, it takes a lot of work. and that's not what he did. it was just stumbling around from one idea to another. ultimately, he did unleash the rioters at the capitol, as to that, there's no doubt. but not overthrow the constitution, to buy more time to throw the matter back to the states to try to redo the issue. and if you don't believe that, you're going to overreact. and i think that's a real risk for the committee, which has done a lot of good work. mostly when the witnesses testify, not when the members are opining. it is invariably the case that when you go too far, try to prove your case, you undermine it. and i think you got to give credit to the intelligence of the american people to listen to the witnesses and let them come to the conclus

trump refused. let's examine his 2:38 tweet and more detail. for context, here is what was happening at the time. >> [shouting] >> they broke the glass? >> stay down. >> there are people flooding the hallways outside, we have no way out. >> we were just told that there is teargas in the rotunda, each of us needs a gas mask. >> we went from a peaceful protest and this is a dangerous situation right now. there are, i am being told, protesters on the inside are around both chambers and there is new -- now teargas inside the capitol rotunda members inside the house are being instructed to put on masks. >> after president trump's tweet about vice president trent -- vice president pence, you spoke to kayleigh mcenany, what did you tell her and where did she go afterwards? >> after the tweet about the vice president, i found kaylee and said that the president needed to immediately condemn what we were seeing. she aggrieved -- he agreed and walked to the oval dining room to see the president. others were ur

of donald trump.i trump oatly split many ways. right now, it is suggested that 44% want him. but against one or two other opponents, i think somebody else could breakthrough and beat donald trump in the primary. but, if we have a whole cast of characters, six, seven, eight, maybe ten republican candidates, donald trump just love that. because his base is big enough to get that plurality first across the line. and by the way, just on mike pence, to me, when i listen to that speech today, he sounded like trump light. i mean, really. >> he's not being anywhere nearly as mealymouth, milk truck trump, that will never get him anywhere. >> again, there are many other republicans, we can just look at ron desantis, tim scott, nikki haley, you have ted cruz, tom cotton, a long list of republicans that are ready to step in there. >> but they are all trump acolytes. cotton is saying he got criticized by kinzinger today because he is saying he did not watch the january 6th hearings. they are all defending trump. t

crowd: trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump!d applauding) chief justice roberts: please raise your right hand and repeat after me, i, donald john trump, do solemnly swear. president trump: i, donald john trump, do solemnly swear. man: who is free? crowd: no one is free. man: who is free? crowd: no one is free. president trump: to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. so help me, god. chief justice roberts: congratulations, mr. president. man: yeah! ♪ (protesters chattering) ♪ (bomb exploding) (bomb exploding) man: fuck you, man. woman: why don't you stop. president trump: mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities. rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape. and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. (audience applauding) jamie raskin: when donald trump talked about american carnage in his first inaugural addres

you want to depose trump. that is something that will put a previously unknown plaintiff's attorney into the hall of fame if they can depose trump and make a civil case against him or against anyone else they perceive as legally causing, actually causing and foreseeably causing the harm that people suffered at the capitol. it's not a layup. it's not an easy case to make. they better be ready to invest some capitol in the lawsuit for storming the capitol. >> chuck, final thought here. changing any minds either way? >> in public opinion, it's an erosion in a riverbed. it's hard to see in the moment. but then all of a sudden you look up in three months, you go wow, trump's numbers are still kind of stagnant. look, the reason why democrats have a boxer's chance in these midterms is because of all of this and donald trump. it is having some political ripple effect here. look, the end of the day, to me, these hearings, you'll judge them a success or failure based on whether donald trump ever holds office again. >> t

reporting on trump. "betrayal" is a sequel that picks up the story in the administration's final chaotic tumultuous year. jonathan was able to cover a number of things that are not yet been revealed about that time and makes clear just how close our democratic system came to unraveling. as he writes, the simple truth about the last year of the trump presidency is that his lies turned deadly and shook the foundations of our democracy. in conversation with jonathan this afternoon would be another veteran white house reporter, peter baker of the "new york times." peter has authored several books himself on the presidencies of clinton, bush and obama and co-author to macbooks with his wife susan glasser who's now with the new yorker including one about the early years of vladimir putin's will and a biography last year of james baker. he and susan are currently working on their own book about the trump years. jonathan peter take it away. >> thank you very much for hosting this today, and thank you to lisa who

the guy at the bus, the big guy, donald trump. you worked for donald trump. the most serial liar to ever occupy the oval office. the most pathological liar that i have ever covered in 20 years of journalism. and the people assembled in that room together on january 17th, where there to overturn american democracy and declare himself essentially president for life, and keep himself in power. you are either stupid, disqualified, or incompetence and you would never hold another job, my god. because donald trump was not shy about the fact that he would never accept an election loss, he was quite public about it. he said it before he took office back in 2016. do you make the same commitment that you absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the results of this election? >> i will look at at the time. i'm not looking at anything, now i will look at it at the time. >> there is a tradition in this country, in fact, one of the price of this country, is the peaceful transition of power and no matter how far flooded campaign, is that the end of the campaign, that

yvonne could trump and don junior. even though he was the only person in the world who could call off the mob, he sent to the capital and could not be moved to rise from his dining room table and walked a few steps down the white house hallway into the press briefing room where cameras were anxiously and desperately waiting to carry his message to the armed and violent mob savagely beating and calling law enforcement officers, revenging the capital, and hunting down the vice president and various members of congress. he could not be moved. this evening, my colleagues, mr. kinzinger of illinois will take you inside the white house during those 187 minutes. we also remind you of what was happening at the capital minute by minute as a donald trump stood by and watched it unfold on television. a final thought about this committee's work so far. as we make clear throughout these hearings, our investigation goes forward. we continue to receive new information every day. we continue to hear from witnesses. we will reconvene i

so my question to you is, studying trump the way you've studied trump, and, you know, knowing trump the way i have known trump in the past, i mean, isn't this a guy who understands that if he runs again, he can't win. we got a hint of that when we got the reporting of him going crazy when he found out roe was going to be overturned. he understood the reality, that those suburban women that fled in 2020 will be even further away in 2024. >> look, i think you raise a good point, in that trump was able, in 2016, to put together a coalition of traditional republicans and then voters that had not typically voted for anybody, right? so he expanded the republican party's voting base. even though he ran into trouble in 2020, if you look at the turnout that he inspired for republican candidates down ballot, you can't completely say that his candidacy was a bust for the party. i think that's why they've had such a hard time getting over him or trying to shed him. because when you look at gaining 15 seats in the house in 2016 -- in 2020, a lot of that was turnout inspired by trump. trump's numbers

trump supporters disdained for trump supporters laughing uproariously a trump supporters talking about how one of his guests put on a fake southern accent and was looking down his nose was showing to stain for trump voters as he expressed the way they talk in the way they act and the way they think and don lemon couldn't control himself. he was laughing uproariously wiping a tear from his eye and after his two guests were done mocking trump supporters. he picked himself up from the table. he literally put his head on the table and said, thanks i needed that. and if you don't think what's contributing to the polarization of our country is a media that can mock half the nation. and the people they mock want just to put a point on it. these are people who carry guns. these are people whose grandfathers and fathers taught them how to hunt. these are people who pray every day. these are people who think that life begins at conception. these are the people that depress mocks. these are the people who voted largely for donald trump or might vote for ron desantis or christy noam and the proble

trump white house in june of 2020. she served there as deputy press secretary and special assistance to the president until the evening of january 6th, 2021. i will now swear in our witnesses. the witnesses will please stand and raise their right hands. do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. so help you, god thank you. you may be seated and let the record reflect that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. thank you both again for being here to night. mister passenger, thank you for your service to the nation as well as as for join us this evening. can you please briefly explain what your responsibilities were as deputy national security adviser to the president? a thank you madam vice chair. and when i started the white house, i was a senior director for asia on the national security council staff. so that was a job that in bold, helping coordinate the president's asia policy. i supported the president when h

>> they were letting trump learn the trump way which is i'm not gonna be the one who tells him he's crazygong to let the electoral college telling that. i think it is entirely conceivable that people like scalia, bill barr, people who had been around government, people like me were watching this thing and thinking, i don't know what trump believes or doesn't believe, but i know what the electoral college is gonna do, so it doesn't matter. and i know biden is going to be president, i know all of this. so i don't care when he figures this out or doesn't figure it out. i'm not gonna be the one who goes in and burns myself up. and if i'm mark meadows and i want to make money from donald trump when he's not president, which is exactly what mark meadows wants, i'm not gonna be the bad news guy. i'm not gonna let the process -- i will let the process show this guy with a bad news is. and then you get this to this constitutional loopholes moment. cassidy hutchison mentioned that. that it was inconceivable to bill barr, inconceivable to pat cipollone, inconceivable to me, there was no constitution

so if trump knew that. if dhs knew that and trump also knew that, then maybe a case could be made for we'll be wild means we want to you get wild. look. that's not an easy case to make which is why he hasn't been indicted yet. why the doj is still waiting to see what happens. they have more information thank not the committee does. they're just biding their time and seeing if anything comes out to make that connection. we've heard some new things today but nothing so new that it amounts to trump saying, go storm the capitol. until we hear that evidence, the doj -- >> where is this going? >> well, i'm struck with this idea, was the former president ignorant? echoing liz cheney in her opening statement. he was not an incompetent child. he was the president of the united states. look at the two men on the screen. two people who will testify to the level of extremism that two groups, the proud boys and the oath keepers, the two groups at the center of this. the insurrection. the steps that they took. what i'm g

trump be the finisher. thank you, and i yield to the vice chair. >> thank you very much, mrs. luria. i want to thank our witnesses for joining us today. the members of the select committee may have additional questions for today's witnesses, and we ask that you answer expeditiously to the writing of these questions. without objection, members will be provided ten business days to submit statements to the -- additional questions from our witnesses. i now like to turn things to chairman thompson for a few closing words. >> the members of the committee, and i, appreciate and thank all persons who have come forward voluntarily to provide information to help protect our democracy. and our work continues as we made clear throughout these hearings our investigation is going forward. we continue to receive you information every day. we are pursuing additional witnesses for testimony. we will reconvene and september to continue laying out our findings to the american people, and pushing for accountability. in the fi

as donald trump's scheme unraveled. all while he ignored his advisors, stood by and watched this unfold on television. let me offer a final thought about the select committee work so far. as we made clear throughout these hearings, our investigation goes forward, we continue to receive new information every day. we continue to hear from witnesses. we will reconvene in september to continue laying out our findings to the american people. as that work goes forward, a number of facts are clear. there can be no doubt that there was a coordinated effort to overturn an election, overseen and directed by donald trump. there can be no doubt that he commanded a mob. a mob that he knew was heavily armed, violent and angry to march on the capital to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power. he made targets out of his own vice president and the lawmakers gathered to do the people's work. these facts have gone the undisputed. there needs to be accountability. accountability under the law, accountability to the american people, acc

what did donald trump saywh to umu? what did donald trump say to mike pence? and those are questions asked in the very serious and formal environment of a grand jury. a granden jury that's preparings part of a criminal investigation for the possibility of charging people with crimes. >> so, carol, in you piece you describe two tracks of investigation in y your report. a track leading to potential seditious conspiracy charges and obstruction of an official proceeding on the one hand. and then anotheroc relating to fraud relating the fake elector scheme. do we know which track the justice department gathered more evidence and information on, leaningre particularly one way another? can we tell from their questioning? >> there are three different offices burrowing into these specific tracks. i don't know the answer to yourt question. i sure wish i did. i imagine they're full steam ahead on all of these tracks and that obviously, based on the grand jury witnesses who were brought in, the fake elector's piece is perhaps further along than any other. and a keep in mi

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he wouldn't answer when i asked him if trump or trump allies have contacted him ahead of him testifying. we know that cassidy hutchinson was pressured. how concerning is this, that there could be real witness tampering, on the part of the former president, or his allies? >> it was obviously deeply concerning, stephanie, and the question is, whether the department of justice will seek and it is serious to impede or obstruct a congressional investigation, and this sort of witness tampering is the kind of thing that with ordinary people, i think, most departments of justice, most state officials, dealing with this, would not tolerate it. and the question is, whether this is going to be something that becomes in and for the department of justice to really focus on a criminal charge against this president, and those around him. >> luke, before we go, another thing that stood out, the former president himself changed some of the language, changed some of the script in his speech, that he gave at that rally on the six. why is that significant? >> well, it shows that there is one professionally

donald trump was the author. we the people for ourselves and our prosperity should not let donald trump be the finisher. thank you. i yield to the vice chair. >> thank you, very much. i want to thank our wit tpheuss for joining us today. the members of the shreubgt cmmittee may have additional questions for today's witnesses we ask you respond expeditiously in writing to the questions. without objection members will be allowed ten business days to submit statements for the records. including opening remarks and additional questions from the witnesses. i would now like to turn things to chairman thompson for a few closing words. >> the members of the committee and i appreciate and thank all persons who have come forward voluntarily to provide information to help protect our democracy. our and our work continues have we have made clear throughout the hearings our investigation is going forward. we continue to receive new information every day. we are pursuing many additional witnesses for testimony. we will reconve

a trump ally spoke to them or cement close to trump. if it's trump himself as.in the company twitter there's apparently a fight as to whether trump is directly communicating and given directors to extremist groups that are calling themselves locked and loaded that responding to what he's doing with cause of oil violence. twitter doesn't know what to do about. there's an employee so afraid about talking about the internal processes at twitter -- >> this is one of the reasons people don't want to buy twitter as a company. they know what you have to own as that content moderator is so scary and so dangerous in the world we are living in you end up in a circus of elon musk. that's the only guy. into >> more of today's coverage of today's january six hearing straight ahead. stay with us. hearing straight ahead hearing straight ahead stay and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. one prilosec otc in the morning blocks excess acid production for a full 24 hours. unlike pepcid, which stops working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero he

are they also looked at the inner circle or 3 key themes emerged trumps. tweets trumps. in a circle saying, are trying to get him to send the mob home and trumps language in his final video, asking them to go home. and his words that was subsequently used. she m will stood out for you several things i suppose. i think we need to, to, to go back in the, in the narrative that you just laid out. i mean, the idea that's the secret service ever we've heard before. we've already heard that there was some sort of altercation and some sort of an angry exchange between trump and the secret service about him wanting to join. a protest is on, on capitol hill. but we got more, more information about why the secret service was a concern. we heard from an national security official wanted to remain anonymous. and he was worried that trump, the head of this band of a protest is it really would start looking like a cool some sort of insurrection which was, which was quite striking. i think the fact that trump didn't call or attempt to go any one in the, in the, in the a 2 and a half hou

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i was president trump.s people that viciously defended him in public. >> these are people that would be very, vicious and publicly defending him. >> on january 2, the concerns about the potential rally speakers had grown serious enough, that she reached out to mark meadows directly. she wrote, good afternoon, would you mind giving me a call regarding the january 6 event? is it gotten crazy, and i desperately need some direction. >> recorded phone records, obtained by the committee, she received a phone call from mr. mark meadows, eight minutes later. here is what she said that conversation. >> what did you tell him about other events? >> there were a bunch of entities coming in. some were very suspect. it will be another stages comments on other days. this was a very brief overview of what was actually happening, and why i raised the red flag. when he told him that people were very suspect, did you tell them what you meant by that? what did you convey to him about the problems with these folks? >> i think i

trump be the finisher.. >> thank you very much, mrs. luria. i want to thank our witnesses for joining us today. the members of the select committee may have additional questions for today's witnesses, and we ask that you answer expeditiously to the writing of these questions. without objection, members will be provided ten business days to submit statements to the -- additional questions from our witnesses. i now like to turn things to chairman thompson for a few closing words. >> the members of the committee, and i, appreciate and thank all persons who have come forward voluntarily to provide information to help protect our democracy. and our work continues as we made clear throughout these hearings our investigation is going forward. we continue to receive you information every day. we are pursuing additional witnesses for testimony. we will reconvene and september to continue laying out our findings to the american people, and pushing for accountability. in the first hearing of this series, i ask america

orbit if not trump himself. a spokesperson for trump responded to the committee's allegation of witness tampering by surprise, surprise, lashing out at liz cheney. we won't give the statement any air time because the most significant thing about the statement is that it doesn't actually address or rebutt the allegation itself. "the washington post" last night built on liz cheney's revelation with this reporting, quote, the former president has called witnesses throughout the investigation according to those who spoke anonymously to reveal conversations. they ruled out a number of former officials as the recipient of this latest call highlighted by cheney saying it was not former white house counsel pat cipollone whose deputy patrick philbin, former media officials, matthews or former pascale. the allegations of witness tampering by trump and his associates, though, do add new dimension to the wider scandal that is to overturn the 2020 election results which, as vice chair liz cheney added, trump was, quote, subs

he wouldn't be hard-core trump to me. i think he supported the president and administration for several years. if he saw something that encouraged him or forced him to resign, much as i did, i respect that. he has no reason to lie. matt pottinger was probably better off professionally to sail off in the sunset and do a lot of his academic work. it does not benefit him from by coming forward at this point and saying i have something to say. it is probably bad for his can we are to do this because of the public attention that it will. i think of math says something tomorrow under oath, i will believe it, or at least put a great deal of credibility on the, until somebody comes forward. that is matt is a very credible guy. it will be curious to see what he has to say. >> this coming thursday will be the primetime hearing. i am curious as to what you make of mark meadows behavior, as it has been described so far. from cassidy hutchinson, he was essentially thumbing through his text messages. you can't tell if he is describing

in part it was doing a solid to trump after trump pardons steve bannon for stealing from trump's baseam really thrilled that we have seen some slightly more forward-leaning statements from ag garland, the attorney general, about how no person, no person, is above the law. and they will prosecute everyone if the evidence supports a prosecution. he did not come right out and say it, including the former president, but you don't have to read that between the lines to see that message. but here is the problem. the department of justice continues to say, we will follow the facts and follow the law. well, no. that is not the only law enforcement response. when our democracy is on fire. sometimes we have to take prompt over law enforcement action. like why witnesses are tampered with. we just get a leisurely matter, following the facts and the law. reapply for an arrest warrant an arrest to the person who is tampered with the witness. why? because one we neutralize that threat. and even more importantly, we deter others on team trump from tampering with witnesses. but we continue to see zero

almost everybody wanted president trump to instruct the mob to disperse president trump refused. to understand how in adequate the president's tweets were. let's examine is to 38 tweet in more detail for context. here is what was happening at that time. >> last. >> for sarah, kate, there's people flooded the whole without the way out. >> just hold that. there has been tear gassed. and to each of us get a >> we went from a peaceful protest and this is a very dangerous situation right now. >> that there are. >> i'm being told these protesters on the inside. around both chambers and there's now tear gas inside the capitol rotunda. in fact, members locked in the house are being instructed to put on masks. >> ms matthews after president trump's tweet about vice president pence. you told us he spoke to a immediately spoke to kaley mcenany. what did you tell her? and where did she go afterwards? >> after the tweet about the vice president. i found kaylee and told her that i thought the president needed to immediately send out a tweet that condemn the violence that we're seeing and that

the same question applies for donald trump and trump's allies? was a lie because that's critical. that's state of mind. >> the washington post carol leonnig reporting a big story for the post along with her colleagues. you can read it at washingtonpost.com this morning. carol, thank you very much for being here. good to see you. joining us now democratic senator chris coons of delaware and he's a member of the foreign relations and judiciary committees. good to have you on. you've been listening to the interview and lester holt and merrick garland. the excerpts we've been playing this morning and what's your impression from justice. we haven't heard a lot and there's been frustration that justice may not be moving as forcefully as some people think it should be. garland essentially telling lester, don't worry, america. we're on this. >> i know very little about the justice field and that's appropriate. i'm a member of the judiciary committee of the senate and a close friend and supporter of the president's. i will say about the january 6th commit

trump's white house counsel. that is just one of the many crucial meetings in which pat cipollone was in the middle of the days and weeks leading up to january 6th, which is why the january six committee subpoenaed him last week. after their attempts to secure his voluntary cooperation went nowhere, and today, we learned that mr. cipollone who was a lawyer and knows the law, will comply with that subpoena. he will sit for a transcribed videotaped interview with the january 6th investigators this friday. now, pat cipollone met with the committee in april for what was referred to as an informal interview. the new york times reports today that the agreement reached with the committee for that april interview included limits on what he could discuss. what we don't know is that whether friday's formal interview will be subject to any such limitations. but even under the april agreement, mr. cipollone did talk about one white house oval meeting with trump. a dramatic showdown in which trump tried to install justice off