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this is what trump does. he pumps everybody and he gets them all fired up and the juices flowing, right? just to get them going, and all they have to do is just take a step back for a second. and if they did, and ask themselves, wait a minute, time out, that's not right. it's a well worn play in the trump playbook. just ask michael cohen. >> it's a typical donald j trump play out of the playbook. figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, you do the same thing to cassidy hutchison, to anyone and everyone that is for the truth. muddying the waters might be the thing that donald trump does best. >> he didn't back doing during his presidency when he and then attorney general bill barr's spin the results of the mueller report before it became public. and when he released the incomplete transcript from the so-called perfect phone call, where he tried to pressure ukrainian president zelenskyy into digging up dirt on the bidens ahead of the 2020

trump, we will do that. which begs the question, what else has donald trump asked most republicans to do and what have they said yes to and guaranteed to cooperate and protect the former president? >> there you are. david jolly and donna elwood, thank you so much. we really appreciate you.. >> david jolly and donna edwards, thank you both.)%qj that's all in o,] this tue[dry night.xd alex wagnerqw3t( tonight start now. >>> thank you for this delightfuln■handoff. >> it's my pleasure tolp do so an old friend. >> an old friend. great show tonight,fá my e1frie. >>> thanks for joining us.q we start the wall street journal broke the story about the;xp &h% alleged hush moneyt( payments tr stormy daniels to buy her silence over anxd alleged sexua encounter withok donald trump. the manhattan district attorney atÑijf theÑi time opened an investigation after the news broke. michael cohen went before congress in 2019 and he threwok the gates wide open. notq only revealed new details about trump's direct involvement that

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well, it will strengthen trump - trump has been indicted?l strengthen trump and help his chances to get the republican party nomination in 24. i don't think it will help get him re—elected. because the stronger trump does in the republican party, more and more americans outside the republican party understand how absolutely unelectable he is. and this is a really important point. i mean, he wasjust indicted in new york for hush money to a porn star and he covered it up in his business filings and all of that but this is just the filings and all of that but this isjust the beginning. let's not forget donald trump is being investigated for inciting an attempt to overthrow an american election. donald trump will probably be indicted for pressuring election officials in the state of georgia to overthrow that state's election results. so, there are much bigger, more important charges, i think, coming down the pipe that trump is going to have to deal with. in your assessment, what do you think donald trump is thinking right now? how do you think h

according to the star witness in the case, trump's own former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, the trump organization tried to cover up the payment falsely claiming it was a legal expense. shortly after "the new york times" broke the story yesterday evening, the manhattan d.a.'s office confirmed the indictment writing in a statement it had, quote, contacted mr. trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender. trump for his part wasted little time before railing against the, quote, thugs and radical left monsters who indicted him. in a longer statement after that on truth social trump also decried the political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history and just a few hours ago at 2:46 a.m. trump simply posted "where's hunter," once again trying to divert attention away from him and to the son of president joe biden. joining us now live from palm beach, florida, not far from trump's mar-a-lago estate is nbc news correspondent sam brock sam, good morning. it's early, but the president -- we know the former president was up at least a couple hours ago are we seeing a

then not supporting donald trump, then not supporting donald trump, then not supporting donald trumpthere may be a certain amount of rallying around donald trump here, but you also have to remember that this is a criminal case for donald trump could conceivably face jail time if convicted. this will be a distraction for his campaign. this will be a distraction for him personally, depending on how long this is drawn out. he could be mixing time on the campaign trail preparing for debates, which will start in august of this year, while also occasionally having to go back to new york and sit in his trial or confer with his lawyers and legal strategy. that can't be good for having a focused organised presidential campaign. this having a focused organised presidential campaign. as you are 'ust presidential campaign. as you are just talking _ presidential campaign. as you are just talking about _ presidential campaign. as you are just talking about what _ presidential campaign. as you are just talking about what those - just talking about what those implications might be, it strikes me tha

trump whistle oh.hat trump invited her, we only knew as a porn star he had just met, to her hotel penthouse where he greeted her in black silk pajamas. that is what trump was wearing. then she claims he promised her that he could get her on his reality tv show the apprentice. and then, this up together. after that, trump reportedly called daniels occasionally from a blocked number, referring to as honey bunch when he did. she says they met up two more times. once at the launch party for trump vodka, and another timeout beverly hills hotel where daniels claimed trump again invited her up to his room, but when she got there, they just watched shark week on tv. and this whole story has always been juicy, but originally it was tabloids truthfully, not new york times juicy. the first time stormy daniels tried to sell the story was in 2011. she was upset the tang trump promised together on the prentiss never came true in trump was just thinking of the idea he might run for president. at the time, it was so o

trump and his company, the trump organization, handle reimbursing mr. cohen for the payment to miss daniels. internal trump organization records classified them as legal expenses which help conceal the purpose of the payments, according to mr. cohen who said mr. trump knew about the mieang records. mr. trump's lawyers denyha in new york, falsifying business records can be a crime, and mr. bragg's office may have bent its case around that charge according to outside legal experts and people with knowledge of the matter." again, this is a take by "the new york times" in today's paper. the call-- caller is in las vegas. that evening. what is your opinion about this indictment? caller: good evening. my opinion is that it is a sad and malevolent day and united states america. a past president has been indicted on criminal charges, but yet these celebrities and politicians who participated -- are still un-indicted. neither is president biden for his actions against tara reid. it is just a sad day in our country. this needs to go both ways. if they're going to

donald trump. this is the first time in us history the first time in us history that criminal charges have been filed against anyone who has served as president of the united states. the charges coming after the investigation of hush money paid to former adult film star stormy daniels to cover up her alleged affair with trump. this has huge implications not only for trump but also for the nation as the former president makes another run for the white house right now, our correspondents, analysts and contributors are all standing by as we cover this breaking story and what comes next paris canal is on the scene for us. let's go to your first year there in new york. you're watching all of this unfold. tell our viewers what else you're learning. well, that's right. we learned that in manhattan grand jury has returned an indictment against former president donald trump. as you said, the first time in us history that a current or former president has ever faced criminal charges. this all stems from that

trump? >> with regard to mr. trump. >> that was the d.a.rom december for those convictions, and certainly where it seemed like donald trump was going to continue to skate. i want to bring in to our special coverage tonight, "new york times" josh marshal and maya wiley josh, you're the first non-lawyer i have had a chance to get to, snok okay i'm curious what you think not on the statutory stuff, we'll get to that, but what does it mean for america that donald trump is now indicted? what does it mean if he continues to as he vows to continue to run for office while fighting these charges, and he could beat them, where do we go from here? because this is new. >> you know, your lawyer guests have spoken to the legal questions. it's a very big deal i think we have anticipated this for a long time. you know, what i really draw from this is, we all collectively have to remember there are a lot of things we don't know we don't know exactly how this is going to play out, and that's good to remember you know, last week, we had this -- everybody was

trump in philosophy of maga, civilians and politicians alike love them, hate them. trump ushered in a whole new brand of flame throwing politics. there's the left, there's the right. then there's trump, from all political camps, an ideology, the trump style has made its mark on how politics are played. the food discuss president trump was a controversial figure. perhaps. no other american, president or politician has actually been subjected to as much scrutiny criticism and outright condemnation than the 45th president of the united states. but president trump stoked controversy, not only in the us. the former president was well known for his criticisms of china . from fears over tick tock, corrupting the nation's youth and gathering americans data to calls to end. what he referred to as unfair trade deals with the asian superpower. president trump made no bones about his views, that china was a major threat to domestic security. if we didn't get hit by the plague from china, this thing we wouldn't have even of between us. i would cancel this the congress for most of the rallies. i

, doesn't stop trump's attack.ve the fray in a contest with trump, doesn't work. >> i disagree with your premise, jeb took on him harder than anybody, and lindsey graham who is on before his conversion. the bigger lesson for desantis 's you can't beat trump by being a dime store version of donald trump. desantis's early, rise it's far too early to really know, and with max, watch another non-trump candidate appear later in the process, but desantis was kind of a proof of concept, the people were willing to move beyond trump. i think that still true for trump people know that in a polarized society that they can try to whip up tribalism over this and they're trying to pull the scientists into that briar patch what desantis try to do is use a little republican code speak, the sorrow thing is really about -- there's a bunch of progressive da's now, that's a thing in republican based primary circles so he's trying to link it all together without really attacking trump it's a little bit too clever by half and i don't th

notification that trump will be arrested o indicted trump's super pac that out a press release slamming manhattan's district attorney, alvin bragg. this comes after a week of major developments in the da's investigation into trump's rol in the hush money payment made to adult film star, stormy daniels. daniels met remotely wit manhattan prosecutors on wednesday. the same day that michael cohen, trump's former persona attorney and fixer, who is now the key witness in brags investigation, finishe testifying for a second day. in front of the grand jury other key trump white hous figures like kellyanne conwa and hope hicks have also recently met with prosecutor in manhattan just yesterday, sources told nbc news that local state an federal enforcement agencies had also started preparing security measures in new yor in case charges are file against trump. this is, of course, happenin against the backdrop of th start of the 2024 presidential race just last night, trump's campaign confirmed he will hol his first official rally nex saturday that is in waco, texas joining me now by phone is m col

but donald trump is not you or me, donald trump is a former president. and he has a lifetim protection from the secret service. so he will be accompanied by the head of his security detail, or the deputy in charge of his security detail. when he submits himself. the secret service began planning for this, now, week ago when they first heard that donald trump was preparing t be indicted. and believe that he was bein warned about a grand jur hearing evidence about him and now they are meeting i earnest, both telephonically tonight, and tomorrow in perso to discuss how exactly this is all going to fall. but the most important piece that he will be accompanied by essentially, an armed guard. who will ensure that he is safe as he perceives through th normal, criminal justice process. but very abnormally, because h is a former president entitled to very special protections. >> glenn, i want you to respon to something that just came in nbc news confirming that the arraignment will be presided over by judge marchand, as w said a moment ago. he is the same judge

cohen remained a key grand jury witness in a case that donald trump now says will lead to donald trump's indictment. so what you're about to see tonight in all seriousness not because it's on msnbc and not because it's "the beat," because quite frankly because of the people involved, mr. cohen, will be a part of this legal history and a part of the path that donald trump himself claims will lead to his own indictment. that is just moment away. we always want to give you the context here, the reporting and the legal facts, and i want to chart for you before we bring in our guest, how the president of what comes next hit like a bombshell over this weekend. >> we have breaking news just now, former president donald trump posting on truth social that he will be arrested tuesday. >> protest. take our nation back. >> he's hoping to create fear that there will be another january 6th-type event or his followers will shoot up another fbi office. >> local and federal law enforcement are on alert as donald trump is again calling himself a victim. >> anticipation is incredibly high. will a grand jur

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a mentor of donald trump's. by the time roy coon died, in 1986, he was a disgraced, disbarred lawyer, who had been charged with -- before he died roy cohen once said, don trump is my best friend. someone should have warned michael cohen that when donald trump says he wants a lawyer like roy cohn and you become donald trump's lawyer, there's a chance you might end up like roy cohn, disbarred and disgraced. as michael cohen is now. evan corcoran could be next. to follow former trump lawyers, roy cohn and michael cohen into disbarment and disgrace, depending on how he testifies under oath to special prosecutor jack smith's grand jury in the washington heights. today jack smith won the right to pierce the attorney client privilege and questioning trump criminal defense attorney evan corcoran about the government documents and classified documents found, with an fbi search warrant, and on trump's home in florida, including the classified documents that the fbi found in donald trump's desk. few lawyers in history have

caller: because it has been nothing but trump, trump, trump since 2015. you had military men die yesterday. have not heard anything from biden on that. the shooting in nashville. is set of talking more about the attack on the christian facility, your hate more of a transgender with mental problems so let's go grab everybody's guns. in today's world, you need to protection. it is a sad day for america. people need to get off of all of this trump aide and come together -- trump hate and come together as america. a promise that biden said that he would unite this country. he did not unite this country. he has divided us now. it is so bad. host: in general election matchup, if it is the former president from versus president biden, who do you vote for in 2024? caller: trump. because biden has run this country into the ground. billions of dollars for special interest groups. ukraine is one think. in the beginning i was all for sending the support, but come on. look at our border. if the immigrants do not see what is happening, they are leaving countries that a

media scrutiny would do trump, and legal scrutiny would do trump in, someone else would take trump onnd so, again, someone like desantis can't go after him for these legal investigations, necessarily. but he is going to have to do, at some point, more than what you outlined at the beginning of this segment, which are these veiled threats. where republican voters like about trump is that he's a fighter. and at some point, desantis or another republican hopeful is going to have to fight trump for that primary nomination. >> yeah. it sounds like there needs to be some kind of blood sport. and by the way, to your point, ashley, trump is framing this as sort of -- it needs to be a vanquishing fight, if it comes to that. i want to play some sound from him at the, where it's just in no uncertain terms that trump's positioning himself as a warrior. let's listen to him. >> in 2016, i declared, i am your voice. today, i add, i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. i am your retribution. >> i am your warrior, i am your justic

i never said tuesday who said tuesday, he said, who is a trump trump? now you know what they're thinking about, charging him with this is the best. and this is, this is weird because it's like standing outside a stadium, listening to the roar and trying to get the score. feet, oh no, any big grand your is your secret. grand juries or citizens from new york county, by the way, in new york in manhattan, trump last by 80 percent of all registered voters who decided to show up and everybody came on the road. so this isn't trump country or mug country as a say. but what they're saying was, is that they believe the following happens. that stormy daniels, that sion to sin are teased, ah, was alleged to have had a dalliance with the president, which he denies or what have you. now michael co is called his fixer, his warrior. what your request, trump would beg to differ, but the argument is that mr. cohen wrote a check out or gave a $130000.00 to this stormy name as hush money as they call it. as an n d a, which is very common to keep quiet, to go away. and that

trump? you will be there with his lawyer, he will plead no guilty from there he will be taken and processed. the events that other of speculated that he dredges s much but he will be fingerprinted there will be a mugshot, i will be released, it will be a public document. from that point, though steph, we start a whole kind of year, perhaps, of litigation where h does not even necessaril appear it is all began -- between the lawyers, eve though it gets tangled up with the political process. but i think tuesday is the big day for his appearing, and for the infamous mugshot and finger-pointing. >> tim, donald trump has had many, many fixtures over the years. allen weisselberg, what does he, in his 70s or 80s? is it sitting in rikers island for the devoted work that he did for the trump family for years and years. but explain to our audience ho significant the split betwee donald trump and michael cohen was? michael cohen was at trump's a true ride or die for years >> well, i think michael cohen

we now know that the trump campaign official, was donal trump himself here and yet, what do you not see o fox news a recognition of that here >> because these three peopl met cut a deal, that would ostensibly be helpful to donal trump in a close election. >> in august of 2015, they set up an agreement that the publisher of the nationa enquirer, would go and try t catch and kill stories lik stormy daniels, like karen mcdougal's, and it would be at coordination, when year later, that's exactly what happened karen mcdougal's story, an stormy daniels story, and, it' important to note, david pecker, just a couple of days ago, o monday before the grand jury voted to indict. he went for a second time, before the grand jury, david pecker is important, because his company, is alread acknowledged that quote, the want to buy these stories. quote, let me find her my notes. hold on one second here. i'm gonna come back to you here, but essentially what they said is that it is intended t influence the 2016 election. >> so back to the grand jury >> so that is a new knowledg meant by david pecker public

let's blame trump, let's impeach trump, let's now indict trump. we know what is happening here. this is political vengeance. justice is not blind. there's no longer in this country and i say this with a lot of sadness, equal justice under the law or equal application of our laws. sadly we do have a two-tiered system of justice. it's alive and it's well. we have chronicled it often on the show and especially in the state of new york. on the campaign trail, alvin bragg vowed, he made a pledge a promise, a solemn vow that he would convict donald trump one way or another. take a look. >> a lot of people are wondering whoever has this job, are they going to convict donald trump? >> that is the number 1 issue. we sued the trump administration over 100 times. it's the most important, most high profile case and i've seen the lawlessness that he can do. >> you believe it should happen? >> i believe we have to hold him accountable. >> sean: that's the number 1 issue? you're running for office? to be manhattan district attorney, getting donald trump? that's your top issue over a nondisclos

they went out to get trump. you know what will happen, they will get more of trump. >> that's all the time we have left this evening. thank you for being with us. thank you for making the show possible. set your dvr so you never, ever, ever miss an episode. let not your heart be troubled. stay tuned. laura ingraham is next. let's say hi to laura. say hi. >> you guys are having all the fun. >>> all right. i'm going to try to pick it up where you left off. awesome job. this is the ingraham angle from washington tonight. my question, did anything big happen today? hunting trump, destroying america. that's the focus of tonight's angle. the left has wanted to put donald trump in jail since 2015. today, democrats have gotten them closer to that goal. let's be very clear, the white house is the key player in the game of political vengeance. joe biden bears the ultimate responsibility for what this will do to america. our nation's chief executive has the inherent duty to do everything he or she can to preserve america's

trump. "the new york times" is reporting that prosecutors in the manhattan district attorney's office are signaling that criminal charges for the former president are likely to come for his role in the hush money payments to porn star stormy daniels. the times reports the prosecutors offered mr. trump the chance to testify next week before the grand jury that has been hearing evidence in the potential case according to four people with knowledge of the matter. such offers almost always indicate an indictment is close. it would be unusual for the district attorney, alvin bragg, to notify a potential defendant without ultimately seeking charges against him. the manhattan district attorney's office has declined to comment. now, if those charges are made, it would be the first indictment of a former united states president and the first time that trump, who has faced numerous criminal investigations, would be charged with a crime. as you may remember, that $130,000 payment to ms. daniels was mad

that says donald trump, right? and. >> yes, and it's the actual banks. >> made out to who >> made out to mr. koen. >> there's a fact that's not in dispute. yes, he paid michael cohen he was invoiced by cohen for legal fees. >> i want to button up on mr. pomeranz if you are correct, what you say to the d.a. defense an ever view that he no longer works there, they got rid of him -- >> he resigned. >> he did. what do you say of your view, whatever you think of him, even if you're right he made chargeable mistakes, that doesn't vieduate and destroy this case against your client. >> i would say according to alvin bragg it caused a problem, because alvin bragg said this compromises their grand jury investigation. that was the d.a. saying that regardless of that -- regardless of that, just foecus on these facts these facts do not make up a crime. they don't they just don't. there is nothing criminal about what happened in the stormy daniels payments >> you make your point there i'm not going to ask you to answer for every

he was reimbursed by donald trump, we have seen the checks signed by donald trump. the question is, does that rise to the level of a crime, as it was misclassified by the trump organization for the reimbursement planes -- payments made as legal expenses. is is falsification of records and does it rise to the level of a felony? we do not know what other crime alvin bragg maybe tying it to. it could be violation. of campaign-finance law. it could be something else. we did not know until the indictment is unsealed. right now it is sealed and no one knows exactly what donald trump has been charged with. talking about what happens now that he has been indicted, expect a call will play out in the days to come. we have been notified through his attorney of his indictment, at some point you will have to travel to new york and actually be arraigned. >> exactly he was seen some days ago on truth social that he expected be arrested. what he considers an arrest may look like a booking process. we believe the manhattan district attorney's office and perhaps nypd will be reachout

this is donald trump posting o trump truth social, and thes statements are being made. these things be used against donald trump these posts untrue social? >> katie, under the rules of evidence, this is what we call the statement a party opponent i would've slap a government exhibits sticker on this pos and i wanted to sit out hi criminal trial and this is a dark moment in our nation's history i'm glad you got to break th news, katie. because what we have just seen is basically, come to d.c. o january 6th. we will be wild. two point oh and i am sorry to say that for months i have been saying on air and online, that the momen donald trump knows he's been indicted, his first post wil be coming to manhattan or come to georgia for my agreement. we'll be wild. he knows precisely what he i doing. he used similar language t incite, to entice hi supporters to come to d.c. o january 6th. and then he proceeded to incit imminent, lawless action and he has done it all ove again. but, everything donald trump does is a miscalculation katie. and here is why. he has now just given the

former president donald trump. so alex, for me, as congressional correspondent an someone who covers the trump campaign, two worlds being folded into one here is really what we are seeing a national republican politica apparatus. at least that that is stil loyal to donald trump, kind of falling in line to defend thei man ahead of what could be a very busy week both legally an politically next week. >> yeah, i think you are spo on with that thank you very much, garrett hague from west palm beach i'd like to now bring in wes point msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. security analyst, frank sulu sea. and on the phone, lega corresponded and host of the beach with ari melber, welcome all of you are, what is your reaction to trump's claim >> it is very significant. donald trump is taking the posture that he wants to pus this forward in a way. that he is claiming he is no offering direct of evidence, but claiming, that he does expect indictment. that he will face indictment i new york and then calling as we hav reported, but

trump. >> you know, what's interesting is to your point, donald trump's attorneys were blindsided byere donald trump was actually praising the grand jury and saying look, i have new respect for this grand jury. they're not going to indict me at all, and obviously, the a.g.'s office was stealthy about making sure they had no idea that it was coming even though he previously predicted he was going to get indicted. do you think he was genuinely shocked and really believed he had beaten it? >> yeah, because again, donald lives in donald's head, and the fact that you had people like tacopina and people like bob costello and a whole slew of other pundits on this station as well as other stations telling you, for example, bob costello went in to testify, all of a sudden, he's now impeached my credibility. obviously, we know that's not true in fact, nothing that he said clearly changed anybody's mind however, they have the same thing with tacopina. he comes out there and says, well, after donald of course puts it out there that he's going to get indicted last tuesday, rakes in another $2.5 m

after living through trump may have been a mistake to pardo nixon because it allows people like trump who are bad operators to fill themselves with unwelcome hubris. >> i think the historica consensus on that pardon has really shifted for exactly the reasons that you have noted. douglas brinkley, a grea pleasure to have you here. my friend and colleague john psyche, check her out this weekend. thank you very much. that is all in on this norma thursday night and the rachel maddow show starts right now good evening, rachel >> this is not supposed to b when the rachel maddow show is on >> i know. can i tell you a quick funny thing? you texted back the back and forth and i misread your tex [laughter] i thought i was gonna have you on the top of the show and the you are you crossed on the top of my show and i was lik sending everyone on a while it was chase. but it's wonderful to see you. no >> or you thought i was gonna be on with you an hour ago, just pop up roundly o your show uninvited? >> no, i was having you on but then i realized afterwards tha i'd screw that up and heads an a bunch

trump and so on.here is an earlier phone call where michael cohen is on th phone with hope hicks an donald trump gets on the phone in that -- so there are two witnesses t donald trump being on the phon in that phone call, when i begins as hope hicks michael cohen, that it becomes whole picks, michael cohen, and on trump. the only way, it seems to me for trump to counter what we'v pretty much no will beat michael cohen's testimony abou michael cohen's communicatio with donald trump, is fo donald trump to take the witness stand, which is of course the biggest possibl challenge you could ever present to donald trump, to pu him under holes and hope tha she could possibly get off the witness stand without bein charged with perjury >> and bring him to heal the way a good cross examiner ca do and force him to answer he has to testify, but h cannot testify like so much else, this is all bound up now in the politics and he would be trul humiliated having into follow closely that the prosecuto would hold him un

so who better to discuss the global trump effect than a former politician during the trump years? dr. corbin can nigel is the former foreign minister of austria now and energy analyst and academic dr. can, i will thank you for being with us. so for decades, donald trump had, you know, kind of flirted with the idea of waiting into politics. nobody took him seriously in 2015 because he had taught, had toyed with the idea for so long. most people thought it was another publicity stunt. but then he actually ran and then actually won, analyze donald trump's influence on the world of politics for us. what sort of impact or impression has he made on the landscape? donald trump is a self made business man. he has a completely different attitude to politics and those personalities are those predecessors of successors who have done the typical apostles of going through politics and the that makes him different. he is not living from politics as proper business, but he has been making his career, his professional life, his personal life, also by his own means. and that makes the difference.

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the trump family. watch. >> a lot of people are wondering whatever has this job, are they going to convict donald trump? look, that is the number 1 issue. i am the candidate in the race who has experience with donald trump. i was the chief department in attorney general's office. we sued the trump administration over 100 times. that's the most high-profile case. i have seen the lawlessness he could can do. >> you believe it should happen? >> we have to hold him accountable. >> sean: that's not justice -- that's a promise of a political persecution. here is what bragg is trying to do: take a simple misdemeanor case over a mislabeled transaction that is 2 years outside of the statute of limitations and ramp it up to a chargeable felony by tieing in a rarely charged campaign finance violation that so many other people passed on because of a completely legal nondisclosure agreement from 7 years ago. i would like to know how many nda's are in the manhattan d.a.'s office in the years before bragg got into of

trump' endorsement and had trump stum for him at a campaign rall last november.ced once again to defend hi decision to give carlson acces says to that footage, insistin he asked capitol police to fla their concerns about the video but the speaker has so far sai little about his instrumenta role in the apparent attempt t whitewash the events of that day. joining us now is brendan buck former top aide to republica speakers paul ryan and joh boehner and an msnbc political analyst. always good to see you, an happy st. patrick's day to you >> and to you. >> thank you being one 16th irish as i am let me first ask you, as someone who is experienced i the speaker's office, to wha degree it is the speaker's office heed the request of the capitol hill police? >> it's a really important point. the capitol police work for th speaker of the house and i think we should be ver clear about that but ultimately it is the speaker of the house's responsibility to keep the capital safe, and you work ver closely with the capital polic in this job, and it's somethin i don't think most

trump?dictments. >> would we be surprised? are there bombshells of who is -- >> i don't think that there are any giant plot twists coming. i don't think that there are any like giant -- that's not the way i expected this to go at all. i don't think that's in store. for anyone. >> greg. >> yeah, a reminder, by the way, that the special grand jury recommends whether fani willis should pursue charges. now it's up to her to decide whether or not to pursue those charges. so even if they recommend 65 people on that list, it's still up to fani willis, the d.a., to decide whether to move forward with those charges. but look, you know, there's what, six different special grand jurors who've spoken, one on the record, five anonymously to the "atlanta journal-constitution." but i can tell you this, the fulton county judge, superior court judge robert mcburny, talked to all the grand jurors about what they could and could not say. so he set specific guidelines for what they could say and couldn't say. i

trump. one organization and had is the trump organization. one family and this is the trump family. in other words, show me the man i will find the crime that was the formy soviet union. this is a pathetic case deeply unethical. anti-american this is not equal justice urn the law. not equal application of our laws. here we are thanks to new york city and the far left radical da brag and watch his campaign y. a lot are wondering who has this job, are they going to convict donald trump? >> that is the number one issue i'm the candidate who has the experience with trump. i was the chief deputy in attorney general's office. we sued the trump administration over a hundred times. hard to argue that is the most important high profile case and i seen him up front and seen his lawlessness. >> you believe it should happen? i believe we hold him accountable >> alvin brag issue guess what, fulfill third degree campaign promise. notup holds the rule of law. imagine electing a da promising to go after one

mary trump gets tonight's last word, msnbc live breaking news coverage of the indictment o donald trump continues right now with ali velshi. this is msnbc's continuing coverage of the indictment o former president donald j trump, time elevation you york, after becoming the first president i u.s. history to be impeached twice, donald trump has made history yet again, becoming th only ex president to face criminal indictment. on thursday, a grand jury vote to indict the former president as part of manhattan distric attorney alvin weiss investigation into a hush mone payment made to and at fil star stormy daniels, in 2016 that indictment is currently sealed that means we don't know the specific charges being levie against donald trump but we do know that bag ha been focusing on a felon charge, of falsifying business records, which carries a maximum sentence of four years it means that he's formerl charged with a crime but there are still severa steps -- in the coming days, the ex president is expected to surrender himself to authorities, after which h will be taken into custody like any ot

i'm a trump supporter. i've been called all kinds of names this morning on your program just because i supported trump. bragg run on getting trump, taking him down, and the most this is is a misdemeanor is trying to turn into a felony. in manhattan, he is letting these felons out with a misdemeanor that has been out killing people and doing much worse things than what trump has done. trump has not done anything. we do not even know. democrats are really angry. you sat there and let them call us all kinds of names. january 6, trump did not tell these people to do what they did. he told them to peacefully march and let your voices be heard. that is left out all kinds of times when you talk about january 6. host: we covered what he said that day in the entirety and i encourage others to listen to what he said the morning of january 6. allen in brooklyn, new york. democratic caller. caller: good morning. there are so many points i want to make. first of all, the new york times versus sullivan case in the 50's s

as you mentioned, we have heard from donald trump and his statement on social media. trump calling this a, which aren't also saying that in his words, his political persecution and election interfering at the highest levels according to trump, a statement from trump, himself on social media. and of course he is denied any wrong doing. and it's said repeatedly, over the last week or so that he would fight these charges to the end. now moving forward, what is the next step? 2 things. well, 1st, that indictment. asking where is that indictment? the actual written paper with the formal charges that usually excuse me, excuse me. that is under seal. and it is not being made public yet. it could be made public at the arraignment. ah, the arraignment could happen as early as next week, but were waiting for that information to come forward. also been potential or what next steps that we could be waiting for are when will trump actually show up here? for his arraignment, he will have to arrive here. i have his fingerprints taken a photo taken, and then he will have to face an arraignment in front

of trump. but you're right, it appears the financial aspect of the trump organization is not part of the scope of their inquiry based least of what we know so far. what can you tell us about that decision on the federal level? as a former prosecutor, i really can't shed much light on that. i describe in the book the both relating the substantive law procedure law resources, the reasons why an investigation like the one we were doing would be vastly easier if it was being conducted under the auspices of the of justice. the statute or better the procedure is better, the punishment is greater, the resources are greater. we were doing it because somebody had to do it. why the feds didn't undertake that investigation at least once? donald trump was no longer of the united states. i don't know now before. he lost the reelection one could say, i suppose. why carry forward with the investigate section under department of justice policy? he cannot be indicted as a sitting president. i'm sure that that e

the star witness of the case, michael cohen, he was trump's former lawyer who claims trump directed himl days of the 2016 presidential campaign then there is stormy daniels herself who was paid that hush money. she proceeded to go public about her allegations of 2006 affair with former president, which he denies but there's also a newer player at the center of all of this, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg who pushed ahead with the grand jury looking into the hush money probe when he took office last year. joining us is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian ken, good morning. talk to us a little bit about alvin brag >> good morning, jose. alvi alvin bragg is a democrat who took office last year after becoming the first black person elected as manhattan district attorney he spent much of his career as a prosecutor, first in the federal system with the southern district of new york, and then with the new york state attorney general's office he now runs an office with about 500 lawyers and $150 million budget he campaigned as a progressive reformer and was cri

sources within the secret service told us that trump's detail could transport trump at a moment's noticeere's a lot of news developing this hour. we're taking you through all of it donald trump is expected to fly into new york monday night he will turn himself in the next morning, tuesday, that's according to the latest from nbc. we're not expected d.a. bragg to unseal the indictment until trump appears in court we can report that according to two sources familiar with the matter it lists 30 counts of document fraud-related charges our legal friends are here to help us understand what that might mean we saw alvin bragg earlier today walking into the office. mean while, donald trump described seeking to project confidence right now is predictably on the attack, not just targeting alvin bragg, but targeting alvin bragg's wife and other lawyers involved in the c case and interestingly the judge. it should be top of mind for him and us that this is just the beginning. alvin bragg's investigation is only one of four current active investigations into donald trump. it just might be the case th

anti-trump apparatus. if any other country was targeting the political opponent of the president, there would be no doubt about what is going on. we are supposed to pretend these folks are acting otherwise. i do not think many are going to buy it. host: if you want to ask questions, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and (202) 748-8002 for independents. textus at (202) 748-8003 -- text us at (202) 748-8003. guest: there is urgency, it seems, to investigate what is happening. president trump's civil rights are being violated, trump is a federal candidate, the leading candidate for the republican party. you have a local democratic politician trying to jail him. congress has an interest in making sure a major presidential candidate and former president is not turned into a political prisoner. i want to know what the justice department's role in this has been and what changed over the course of five years that they decided to target trump with this unprecedented application of the law

they said trump is wrong. 3 said trump is wrong, that these documents and these audio tapes by corcoran havee1 to go to jac smith, the special counsel who ise1 investigating the stolen documents. >> hugo, i want to follow up with you on this. this idea of attorneys being sort of wrapped up ine1 the criminality of donald trump, always something amazing to me because you would thinkr pátorn about, okay, how is the best way to represeu3 my client, but they also have to be thinking about their own sorti] of professiona and legal and financial future. >> well, let's start with evan corcoran because the reality for him is when he goes to testify before the federal grand jury ii washington, we understand on friday about hisu we talkedi] previously on this show and elsewhere maga increasingly stands for make attorneys, get attorneys. this is the latest iteration of that. i just wanted to come back very quickly to what neal was saying just now. part of the reason we understand that the order to file briefs in the appea