. >>> witness the crash of twa >>> witness the crash of twa flight 800 starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> 18 years aduo this week twa flight 800 exploded in the sky over the shores of long island bound for paris with 230 people on board, no one survived. the suspicion of terrorism was immediate. many described a streak of light heading towards the plane before it blew up. in the weeks, months and then years afterwards, the biggest and most intense investigation in aviation history at the time ensued. eventually, the u.s. government offered their best explanation for what happened. to this day, though, many still question if they got it right. this is a cnn special report, "witnessed, the crash of twa flight 800". >> it just blew up in the air and we saw two fire balls go to the water. >> twa exploded right in front of me. i knew right away there were no survivors and it was kind of a sickening feeling. >> i saw a bright light and then white smoke plume behind it and an explosion. i do believe i saw a missile. >> there was obviously, some suspicion it might be a terror

water. >> twa 800 exploded right in front of me. i knew right away there were no survivors and it was kind of a sickening feeling. >> i saw a bright light and then white smoke plume behind it. and an explosion. >> i do believe i saw a missile. >> there was obviously some suspicion that it might be a terrorist act. >> we do not know what caused this tragedy. i want to say that again. we do not know as of this moment. >> the investigation was looking at almost every possibility including state actors. definitely thought about gadhafi and libya. we were at iraq and saddam hussein. the president was prepared to take whatever action needed to be taken. >> a huge potential crime scene. >> this investigation would have been one of the largest carried out by the fbi. >> i had a thousand agents working on the case. >> my fiance was on the plane. >>> my sister paula with her son. 9 years old. >> our biggest concern was a recovery of our loved ones' bodies. there were a lot of times that i doubted the existence of god. and i said, god, how and

see you later for another edition of 360. >>> witness the crash of twa >>> witness the crash of twa flightw. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> 18 years aduo this week twa flight 800 exploded in the sky over the shores of long island bound for paris with 230 people on board, no one survived. the suspicion of terrorism was immediate. many described a streak of light heading towards the plane before it blew up. in the weeks, months and then years afterwards, the biggest and most intense investigation in aviation history at the time ensued. eventually, the u.s. government offered their best explanation for what happened. to this day, though, many still question if they got it right. this is

twa 800 had crashed into the atlantic.g everyone on board. >> the red streak in the sky had the shooting streak. >> jim became obsessed with finding out why. >> the rumor was that the ntsb really svelte that it was an internal tank explosion. the fbi was not satisfied with that thought at the time. the fbi felt that it was a possibility of being a terrorist, you know you think about all the different scenarios. such a complicated situation. >> reporter: for anyone with family members board twa flight 800, fire island became a place of solidarity. divers would spend the next several weeks looking for wreckage and human remains. >> there was always a possibility we would never recover anything. there was a suggestion we go home and have a memorial service. when i got home and we talked with about it, it didn't seem right. we didn't have jamie back. >> it took months for jim to have a funeral for his son. his dna was found in a boot, fished from the ocean, 100 miles from the crash. it would be four more years before investiga

. >> and tom, would you believe this is the anniversary of twa 800?> i hadn't even realized that, but it absolutely is. it was 18 years ago tonight. i remember that night very well because i was in brussels, and my daughter was being born that night. that's absolutely right. and what a tragedy that was, and that turned out to be an accident, the result of what they believe was spontaneous combustion of the center fuel tank. >> 230 souls lost off the coast of east mauritius on new york's long isl and of course, back then the worst was feared that night that it had been a rocket or taking off reaching its glide path from new york's kennedy airport on this very day. and the other aviation incident that people have already mentioned, tom, is the korean air incident. >> yes. the shootdown of the korean airline flight 007, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> if i'm remembering correctly, when it flew over the peninsula. this was way back during the cold war days, 1983, if memory serves, in which a soviet fighter pilot believed that it was a plane masquer

you know, following -- you did an extraordinary special on twa on tuesday night. i managed that investigation. we did an enormous amount of testing with the fbi and the u.s. navy on missile strikes and commercial aircraft. there's an enormous amount of information in the resources of the u.s. we'll know what kind of missile, where it struck. it may not be in the black boxes, but we have a lot of information. but the key thing is for the international community to demand an immediate, independent investigation. we can't leave this in the hands of the russians or the ukrainians or the ukrainian separatists. >> peter, what sort of information -- i mean, if it was, in fact, a missile strike, would there be information in the black box that that could kind of illuminate that, that could give you information? >> there could be, depending on how the missile detonated and how the plane came apart. but it also could have been, as it was in twa, both the voice recorder and the data recorder ended in a nanosecond. and there was only the briefest sound on the voice recorder.

the twa tragedy is the subject of a cnn special report which comes up next.:00, our news coverage of malaysia airlines flight 17 continues. that's all for now. thank you so much for joining us. // >>> 18 years ago this week twa flight 800 exploded in the sky over the shores of long island. it was bound for paris with 230 people on board. no one survived. the suspicion of terrorism was almost immediate. many eyewitnesses described a streak of light heading toward the plane before it blew up. in the weeks, the months and then years afterwards, the biggest and most intense investigation in aviation

of course, we should also point out that on this day in 1996, twa flight 800 crashed into the water off the coast of long island in the united states. those inside the interior ministry in ukraine claiming this plane was shot down by pro-russia separatists using a russian made missile system, a buk, capable of hitting a target 70,000 feet up. this passenger jet was at a cruising altitude of 32,000 feet. cnn is on the ground in ukraine. let's go to victoria butenko in kiev and tom foreman with a closer look at what unfolded. victoria, what's the latest you're hearing from kiev? and we just lost victoria. we'll get her back shortly. let's go to tom foreman with a look. >> we've been looking all day at this buk anti aircraft system or anti missile system as it is called out there. we don't know this is what was used. we're looking at the capability of the system, if, in fact, it could accomplish such a thing. if you look at the flight pattern, you see it came across the country as we have discussed, wound up down here before it went down. let me put it on to a more normal map so you can se

you can twaed us if you lake. >> he was killed at a san francisco play ground. his family members are hoping police can track down the people responsible. here's the story. >> reporter: san francisco police are following into 48 afternoon's shooting. eave long term are saying, to have it happened in day late while the victim is playing with children is attach. balloons, and a couple at a wolts of liquor. where aaron calloway said it was about two clock, he was playing dodge ball. part of his job with the summer program, as he thank you the ball they just start. >> they said he was trying to turn his life around after getting out from behind bars. >> he had got us our jobs. he told us, be girly. you told us to be us and don't let anybodyra inwhat we have tad. tad. >> she brings her son to football practice. >> they're pretty smart and protective. >> sheryl also came to the park with her son. she appreciates the extra police protection but believes her extra protection comes from another source. >> it is called prayer. you come out of your house every day praying.

any rain >>> a coincidence as the world is focused on the disaster from ukraine. 18 years ago tonight twa flight 800 exploded off long island new york killing all 230 on board. the flight was 11 minutes into the trip from new york to paris. earlier in month the federal government declined to re-open the investigation after a witness claimed he had evidence that the plane was shot down. >> at the washington navy yard workers will begin to building 197 in february. the i-team got a look at the renovations last month . workers were relocated after the shootout in september in which 12 navy yard employees were killed. vice admiral william hilarities told defense contractors today he expects all workers back by the end of april. he said he's proud of the resilience of survivors but notes some suffer post traumatic stress because of the violence they witnessed. >> cbs sports will let individual announcers to decide whether to use the name redskins. some newspapers stopped because they consider it offensive. bob costas hassle called the name a slur. cbs said it will let the production teams make

today today's crash happened on the anniversary of twa 800.raft to come down, isn't it is in it? >> oh, incredibly rare. remember, with twa 800, there was a lot of speculation about missiles going into that aircraft. after going through that aircraft time and time and time again, the ntsb and fbi, everybody agreed. and there was a terrible on this the other night on cnn about the fact that there was no missile that had entered that aircraft, yet people still believe it did. with this we really do have a missile. with this we really do have an aircraft shot down. it's not the first one either. flight 007 actually crashed as well the same manner. >> mary, we were talking about this, you and i when we were reporting on 370 about what people thought about flight 800. we had a conversation with the gentleman who thought that, you know, he saw missiles and that this plane was actually hit by a missile. it turns out it wasn't. it was a center fuel tank, right? >> that's correct. and of course, the plane has reassembled and is preserved to this day as

we were speaking yesterday to hu twa who lost three members on board the flight. take a listen to what had he to say when he found out about what happened. when you came to that realization what was going through your mind at that time? >> everything. you lost someone you never expected. no words for that. >> reporter: the couple owned a well-known chinese restaurant in rotterdam and really their life's work. all day, people had been stopping by there. some very tearful. you got a real sense of the community lost. the couple left behind their 30-year-old son. take a listen. >> we build up this restaurant in about 15, 20 years. it's a very good restaurant. and flowers and comments on the internet, always working and they were there for vacation. >> reporter: so many people on board that flight were on their summer vacation. chuah says he wants a full investigation and answers to these questions. yesterday, we heard from the dutch prime minister who said, at the moment, they are not going to be pointing fingers. they want to establish exactly what happened, but if t

it comes 18 years to the day, that twa flight 800 crashed in 1986. that was a fuel tank explosion.ut there's within examples of hostile actions taking down commercial jets. and we get more on that from nbc's kate snow. >> reporter: it was september 1st, 1983. the height of the cold war. >> the united states accused if soviet union of shooting down a jumbo jet. >> reporter: days later, president reagan addressed the nation. >> i'm coming to you tonight about the korean airline massacre. the attack by the soviet union against 269 innocent men, women and children, aboard an unarmed korean passenger plane. >> reporter: korean airlines flight 007 was supposed to fly from new york city to seoul, stopping over in anchorage, alaska. but it drifted offcourse and headed towards soviet air space. soviet jets fired warning shots that were ignored. the target is destroyed. everyone onboard was killed. a tragedy that further enflamed tensions between the u.s. and the ussr. >> we can see no excuse whatsoever for this appalling act. >> reporter: when a plane is shot out of the sky, there are rarel

. >>> and twa flight 800 went down on july 17th, 1996, just minutes after taking off from jfk airport in new york. there were 230 people on board. no one survived. terrorism was initially suspected. and some still believe the plane was shot down. but the official report by u.s. investigators concluded that a spark in a fuel tank caused an explosion. >>> after the break, super typhoon rammasun is bearing down on parts of china. we're going to update you on what could be one of the biggest storms to ever hit that country. . >>> welcome to our viewers around the world and in the united states this hour. i'm hala gorani, super typhoon made landfall a short time ago on the island of hainan. the storm gained strength after passing through the philippines this week, typhoon rammasun is expected to hit china in the western guangdong province. they have issued the red typhoon warning. shipping in the region has been suspended as has some flights. so if you're headed to that part of the world, strong warnings, that it could be one of the strongest storms to hit that area. what is the situation

twa folded after a flight went down, and airlines were already struggling before the disasters.te terrible catastrophes, other airlines are still flying today. in 1983 soviets shot down a flight, and then years later nobody survived american airlines flight 587 that crashed in queens. and a flight went down in the atlantic ocean while en route to brazil, and now terrorists hijacked american and united planes for the attacks and today they are among the biggest airlines in the world thanks in part to a financial lifeline from the u.s. government. most airlines don't take a substantial hit to the bottom lines in the wake of crashes, and insurances take the hit. but what has happened to malaysia airlines is unprecedented. >> there will be people thinking about whether they want their children or spouse or parents to be flying on this airline, and i think that that's really -- if i was -- it's more of a public relations problem for the airline that n a legal liabilit. >> neither incident has been blamed on the a airline. >> it's a state airline and i doubt the government will let ma

this comes on the anniversary of another air disaster. 18 years ago tonight that twa flight 800 exploded in midair off the south shore of long island, new york. all 230 people on board were killed. there were theories that the plane had been shot down, but investigators finally concluded it was a fuel tank explosion caused by an electrical spark. in a moment, what we know about the passengers and the crew aboard the malaysian plane. >> pelley: the 295 >> pelley: the 295 people aboard malaysia 17 came from many nations. who were they? here's don dahler. >> reporter: bodies spread over almost six square miles. people are gathering personal effects. this is a passport, telling where some of the travelers came from-- the netherlands, malaysia. they don't say who was left behind-- loved ones, friends, co-workers, many who gathered at the amsterdam and kuala lumpur airports to find out what they could and grieve together. most of the passengers were european, including 154 from the netherlands, but there were also australians, malaysians, indonesians and filipinos. also a canadian. we're just

how critical was it in the twa flight? >> it was critical to get it, because it told us -- it confirmed that this catastrophic and horrific eventuality, it told us when it occurred and where it occurred. it did not give us much more information from that, because it was the black box was pretty rudimentary by today's standards. and in this case, i would say the -- if the plane came apart, and in a dramatic fashion, it may not give us much information. but it will tell us when and where it happened. and the trick would be in the metal, and unfortunately in the condition of the victims. they may show damage from outside missile blast. >> again, echoing the importance of getting to the site as quickly as possible, being able to recover. >> absolutely. >> the -- those victims and also the parts of the aircraft itself. >> and anderson, the investigation, getting there, conducting the investigation, it has to be done without a hint of political gain on the part of the investigators. >> there's also the other aspect in this, whic

[laughter and applause] >> jon: 'twas the news that killed whiskers, or the fact i only fed him smoked deli meat for about a week. what happened? we were gone for two weeks. let's deal with america first. >> this huge immigration crisis. >> 60,000 to 80,000 children without parents expected to cross illegally this year. >> overwhelming u.s. facilities. >> there aren't enough beds, bathrooms or food. >> jon: you got to blame obama's immigration policy for this one. you don't want migrant children, you don't put up these billboards. yeah, that's right. [laughter] or a border-length ball pit. it's not a start move. but you know what, these children... these children are fleeing terrible crime and violence in their home countries, seeking embrace in the open and caring arms of mother america. give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. >> go back to mexico! >> yeah, get out of here! [laughter] >> jon: okay. that wasn't the statue of liberty. and technically actually many are from central america, your honduras, your el salvador and, as jesus said, i was a s

. >>> today's crash is an anniversary with yet another major flight disaster. 18 years ago today twa flight 800 was flying from jfk international to paris when it exploded near long island. all 230 people on board were killed. after a four year investigation the ntsb determined a short circuit in the wiring sparked a fuel can explosion. >>> there is other news internationally tonight. a ceasefire is being intentionally negotiated. more than 250 people have been killed in a 10-day conflict on the gaza strip. today israel launched a large scale ground offensive they say to try to cripple hamas' capabilities. >> what's happening right now in gaza is a new chapter in a very old story. as you can imagine, there are many differing views and opinions on everything from causes to solutions here, but there are at least some very important agreements. israelis and palestinians, jews and arabs, many agree about the fighting currently consuming gaza. >> what's going on right now in gaza is absolutely devastating. >> i hate to see all the fighting going on. >> it's a tragedy. >> that's typically

it was 18 years ago tonight twa flight 800 crashed off the coast of long island. there was speculation then that that plane was shot down. but federal investigators determine the accident was likely caused by an explosion in a fuel tank. >>> well, we will be tracking developments all night long in the search for answers in this unfolding tragedy. tune into "eyewitness news" in the morning starting at 4:30 for all the latest developments. >> and "eyewitness news" will keep you a top any breaking ne news. you can follow us on twitter at cbs philly and search breaking news with the hash tag cbs-3 breaking. we'll also have the latest on our website cbsphilly.com. >>> president obama is calling the downing of the malaysian jet a terrible tragedy. as chris mention add moment ago the president addressed that situation in wilmington today where he traveled to talk about our nation's infrastructure. the president made his comments with now closed i-495 bridge behind him. >> i directed my national security team to stay in close contact with the ukrainian government, the uni

pilots were with differently concerned about it, and there was definitely a lot of talk about it after twa, but no move to go ahead and require these systems. what is going on right now inside the aviation industry. >> well, one part of the industry that's probably to take very quick changes is the insurance agency. those companies that insure aircraft will say don't fly anywhere near here right now. and todd, i am sorry my producer was talking to you, you say the insurance industry will look at changes any other changes as far as pilots are concerned? >> well, certainly, pilots whoever they may be flying for will be looking at their maps talking with their bosses and saying look, we think in our preponderance this is too risky. the other thing that so many people are talking about is malaysian airline. this year, can an airline recover from something so catastrophic happening so close back to backpack to back incidents. that mane is still missing and now there is this. >> this is no input from the malaysian airline that causes this. for example, was this a decision process in the airline

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is interesting and i would assume at this moment nothing but coincidental that 18 years ago today, twa flight 800 crashed off the coast of long island, new york and killed everyone on board. we know the conspiracy theoryies live to this day surrounding that. >> one of them was a missile fired at it brought it down. in fact investigators found it was a malfunction inside of a fuel tank that ignited the fuel tank and the plane blew up. so it could very quickly escalate into the zone of skepticism. the reason are looking at buk missile system, the presumption is nothing else could get that high. >> right. >> cruising altitude. a buk missile system can fire a missile above 70,000 feet. theoretically it would be weapon of choice for a plane flying that high, if this was ultimately shot out of the sky. as you point out, both side have the system. >> the kremlin has, i will go to jennifer griffin for more on the system in just a moment but i want to give you this. the kremlin in moscow put out a new statement claiming that, i spoke earlier of the phone call between the russian president vladm

of orbit in 42 years we have commercial space which is great but this is like eastern airlines and twaing anything different than we have not been doing. you have to get out and explore in anchorman's. of the biggest problem is to deal with the irradiation because once you're out of the of protection we have to learn how to deal with it. we don't know how to go to mars. it is that simple and if we did with that radiation david the idiots when they got there. you have to come up with something that protects you in increments. neal said doing in threes. don't get any farther away from the three seconds of communication and three days to get back to earth. when you can live in space past the moon or to other points when you can live out there and fly absolute you say if and that should be in its budget every the nba talks about google but that is fine. but what they're doing has been done for years. if they do commercial putting up satellites but to build on the stockpile of knowledge to build on that we have to explore and go beyond what we already know and beyond space stations. kneeled

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it started in 1985 with twa. that's when he began his risk arbitrage.e knows it better than try to guess perino and charlie says he has the year of management. he invests tons of money so he can move money. >> charles: he has the ear of management because he bullies them. >> you blame management, not carl icahn. charles: i don't blame them for doing now with individual companies, but when he says there's when be a bloodbath and someone dismisses 11000 points it-- >> him coming on every year and calling for a bloodbath -- the one every six months the net putting him on air in letting him do that. >> you just said the big banks make people think the market is rigged and people like carl icahn also do. but, people listen to him. he went to your point i think the thing is that maybe follow the man. carl, when you get 100% out of the market let me know until then keep it to yourself. >> he has good relationships with management. what makes him qualified to make these economic calls? charles: we have to wrap it up. he is like the kid at 14 years old-- >> you

today also happens to be the 18th anniversary of the crash of twa flight 800. on this night back in 1996. that was a center fuel tank explosion. but sadly there have been other examples of hostile actions taking down commercial jetliners. we get more tonight from nbc's kate snow. >> reporter: it was september 1st, 1983, the height of the cold war. >> united states today accused the soviet union of shooting down a korean jumbo jet. >> reporter: days later president reagan addressed the nation. >> i'm coming before you tonight about the korean airline massacre. the attack by the soviet union against 269 innocent men, women and children aboard an unarmed korean passenger plane. >> reporter: korean airlines flight 007 was supposed to fly from new york city to seoul stopping over in anchorage, alaska, but it drifted off course and headed toward tw soviet air space. warning shots were ignored. and then a soviet fighter pilot fired a missile and uttered words that would go down in history. >> the target is destroyed. >> reporter: everyone on board was killed. a traged

twa, lockerbie, the scalability of the operation to get the authorities there to cordon it off to dealith respect, dignity, humanity for the remains. they're doing the best they can, maybe the few emergency workers but it's nowhere near enough. and i can't see an easy or obvious way that the ukraine government gets sufficient resources in there that will be allowed. where are they going to come from? russia's not going to be able to bring them in. >> and that brings me, general marks to the question of what the united states is going to do. if russia isn't going to be in there. the world is look to the united states here. and it's a fascinating situation. the united states has hold russia to back off out of ukraine. russia continued to do what it wanted to do. the united states let it happen. now you have an airliner go down with nearly 300 people on board only one person on it who was american. does the united states get involved or do they talk a big game but ultimately do nothing? >> no, they need to get involved. it's absolutely essential for the united states to take a leadership

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. >> reporter: that's exactly what investigators did in 1996 in the case of twa 800 when it was suspected a missile may have brought the plane down, it wasn't until the wreckage was recovered and examined that it was determined there was no such evidence of an attack. walldock says a physical examination is needed on mh 17 wreckage to confirm what many suspect is evidence of a missile strike in these photos. >> ever seen a stop sign that somebody fired a shotgun at? that's what you see. you see the large number of penetration holes that are going from the outside in. >> would it be possible to cover up that kind of evidence? >> hard, but if you've got enough effort and manpower -- >> and enough time. >> and enough time. >> reporter: protecting the crash site is even more critical when a plane is crashed deliberately. at shanksville, pennsylvania on 9/11, the fbi meticulously noted the location of the smallest pieces of debris. more than ten days after the crash of mh 17 there's no guarantee even large pieces will be left untouched. let's say someone came in with a forklift and was able to

it's very likely and i've looked at this at a couple of other accidents, particularly on scene at twa. it is likely that the passengers were either knocked unconscious or killed very quickly once the plane started to come undone, but some of the bodies will show impact from the missile fragments. that's very possible that the fragmentation of the warhead injured passengers and the dutch medical officials will be able to see that. what's key in this investigation is that it proceed methodically without political interference, that its results be unquestionable in terms of science, and i know the dutch are desperately trying to do that, and ukrainians frankly, they aught not to be using each and every bit of information politically. the key is a clear, unbiased investigation. >> peter goelz thank you so much for being with us. obviously, the hope is that investigators can get to the scene as quickly as possible to do the work that they so badly need to do but right now the fighting both sides, ukraine kran government and the pro russian rebels getting in the way. >> delay avalanche dela

twa to four degrees cooler tomorrow and steady temperatures with morning clouds and afternoon sunshinend a typical pattern for the sunshine with watching trend on sunday and mop. have a for one. >> from the industrial valley to san jose you are right to take ace train because it is a major backup. look look at the solid red after two separate accidents westbound 580 down to 11 miles per hour in the area. the travel time will be an hour and ten minutes from tracy to dublin because of the two accidents. there is a lot spectator slowing and plenty of act it on the shoulder with c.h.p. crews and other emergency vehicles. you wants -- want to give yourself extra time. highway four and 101 moving along and here the clouds that motorcycle was talking about along the golden gate bridge from marin, you can see how foggy it is, socked in. used the low beams. drive with caution. >>> still ahead, seven things to know before you go. >>> the curious bear who found itself in a predicament getting a helping hand from so this board gives me rates on progressive direct and other car insurance companies?

so we can rule out, you know, a fuel explosion such as that of twa 800, we can rule out kl flight that shot down as well it's a different kind of missile and system. >> so we know that the plane was flying at 33,000 feet altitude. this was described to me by an expert in the last hour, a cloud of slap nhrapnel. what would that have done to the plane? >> what you see here. but the difficult thing that i see about this is it did not come out as a cloud and then go through it like we discussed before. this appears to me as it created a perforated line down that skin and if you look along the cut, the edge of the skin, you can see that there's several -- several penetrations through the skin and the instruction tstruc aircraft relates to that. when you have the high pressure inside that can allow the aircraft to tear along that line, as though it was a notebook with a perforated line down it. >> that's one piece of this that we know investigators will be focusing on. >> absolutely. >> the other issue is, we know that the black boxes have been handed over to malaysia. we don't know if they

>>> yesterday's tragedy in ukraine shares a date with another major airline disaster, 18 years ago, twa flight 800, crashed off the coast of long island. there was speculation that that plane was shot down, as well. however, federal investigators determined that accident was likely caused by the explosion in a fuel tank. >>> our coverage of the plane shot down continues, cbsphilly.com. there you can find the latest on that crash, any time of day. >>> also, developing at this hour, more people are being forced out of their homes by this rapidly moving wild fire in washington state. now, this is one of several wild fires burning outside of seattle right now. hundreds of people in the path of the flames have been told to leave their homes. at least 35 homes there have already been destroyed. >>> just past 6:13, we want our forecast, katie, saying this looks like a good friday? >> absolutely. you know, we will start to see warmfront lifting north here with time. generally, the quiet pattern, that has finally taken grip over the delaware valley, set to continue. at least through the weekend,

now,e american interest looking a move or twa head and ahead, and -- or two saying, ok, our goal shoulde to get the tribal leaders we worked with years ago to crush isis and make sure it is a sunni stand we can deal with? >> this is the problem, is that somebody is going to have to crush isis eventually, whether it is shia, whether it is moderate sunni, or whether it is outside forces, because this is an assumption built on the history of afghanistan among other places. eventually, and maybe sooner than eventually, groups like out, which, as you pointed is considered by al qaeda a bit too much. you know what question mark we have got to go back to killing the western infidels, and so, what was the afghanistan war about? the afghanistan war was about denying safe havens where groups like al qaeda and al qaeda-affiliated groups can plot and plan and devise strategies and figure out ways to build bombs. it is not unrelated, by the way. hastsa in the last few days more stringent rules about your cell phone. there is a reason for that. there is a reason for that, and part of that is based in

also in the past investigators in the case of the twa 800 -- this is the anniversary of that particulares, tonight. >> the noise of that explosion, they were able to triangulate the noise by all the microphones in the cockpit and learned a little something about that. that will be helpful. the flight data recorder in this case will have a wealth of information about what systems failed, when they failed, that sort of thing. how sudden it was. and these boxes are on the ground. we've had reports that they've been recovered. the big question's going to be into whose hands will they fall and will this be a really objective international investigation? >> and that is a crucial question because, again, the area where this plane has gaup down you heard people taking pieces of this plane into their yards. very unclear what the situation may be. >>> up next, new questions about malaysia airlines, how does it find itself at the center of another tragedy. and israel launches a ground operation into gaza. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows

after twa flight 800, we tested the explosive residue and the explosive evidence of a missile detonatingaircraft skin. the investigation will know what the marker is on that case, in this accident. they will see the evidence. but the most important thing is to get a team in immediately to begin recovering the victims and treating them with some dignity and that really is in the hands of the russians, the ukrainians and the >>> and in terms of the black boxes, the flight data recorders, they are important, but even -- david soucie, even if they have been removed and again, we have not been able to confirm it, and noah has not been able to confirm the status of them, there is still the wreckage themselves, from the victims themselves. >> there is more to be learned than what the boxes would tell us. and at the very most with the black boxs, whether there was a warning or not, whether they had been tried to be contacted, taken evasive action to say we're off track, there is someone who doesn't want us to here, do they start to turn the other way. that would be the black box information. but

you think about this, you look at all of the evidence that's been pieced together, really we think of twa800 and all of these other incidents. the only thing that you can hope for is recovering the bodies. no? >> at that point it has to be the first priority. certainly we look at satellite images that come from the airbus defense and from all source. and what they are telling me and what we can see is there are areas that have not been investigated yet. there's clearly areas of debris. there's no tracks of people walking out and investigating these areas. the entire perimeter needs to be surrounded. president putin is the only one that can say and told us at that time he could do everything that he could. mr. putin, please do what you said you would do on july 18th and do what you can to support and honor the dignity of these people. it's an awful situation. >> no question. all right. gentlemen, stay with us. we're going to go back to this. who can keep this crash site safe? there's a group that might be able to do it. keep in mind, this is miles long, nato. does that group want to get in

eerily, like some of the large pieces from twa 800, what you see is a tear.see no sooting. it was obviously probably a later piece of the plane that came off after the missile struck, did its damage. this came unzipped and floated down to earth. >> what can you tell about things like that. when you look at the wheels or it, does this tell you anything in. >> that's part of the center wheel chassises. again, right near to center wing tank. obviously there was plenty of fuel there when this thing was coming down. it was on fire. >> i'm going to guess pieces like this, a door similar to the one you talked about before. let me ask you one other. look at these personal effects here. things that people had on board there. right now we have many victim of this presumably in the wreckage out there now for days, the scene is decaying. the actual evidence you want there. but how do investigators deal with that when you walk into the middle of all of this and here are people and their lives? >> it is the most difficult thing you can imagine, particularly with children.

twa-800.e, there was no way to examine it in the water. >> when you said well documented on site, that takes personnel and time? >> absolutely right. a specialized type of equipment and specialized experience. not just anybody can do these kinds of things. >> cooperation from the rebels there on the ground. >> right. >> and so far, that hasn't been forthcoming. they just want this to go away. >> especially if the fighting on the ground is amping up for these folks coming in, that's going to be all the more difficult. more to talk about. colonel francona, david soucie, thank you. >>> africa, investigators are trying to piece together what brought down a jet. the plane crashed in mali it latest on that ahead. your 16-year-old daughter studied day and night for her driver's test. secretly inside, you hoped she wouldn't pass. the thought of your baby girl driving around all by herself was... you just weren't ready. but she did pass. 'cause she's your baby girl. and now you're proud. a bundle of ne

. >> reporter: that's exactly what investigators did in 1996, in the case of twa-800, when it was suspected brought the plane down. it wasn't until the wreckage was recovered and examined that it was determined there was no such evidence of an attack. he says a physical examination is needed on mh-17 wreckage to confirm what many suspect is evidence of a missile strike in these photos. >> have you ever seen a stop sign that somebody fired a shotgun at? that's what you sigh. you see the large number of penetration holes that are going from the outside in. >> reporter: would it be possible to cover up that kind of evidence? >> hard, but if you have enough efforts and manpower. >> reporter: and enough time. >> and enough time. >> reporter: proceedings the crash site is even nor critical when a plane is crashed deliberately. at shanksville, pennsylvania, the fbi noted the location of the smallest pieces of debris. more than ten days after the crash of mh-17, there's no guarantee that even large pieces would be left untouched. let's say someone would take the away with a forklift, could you get

twa went out of business soon after flight 800 crashed nearly two decades ago. pan am went bankrupt three years after the flight 103 bombing in lockerbie, scotland. both companies are major financial issues before the tragedies. ironically malaysian airlines had won more than 1100 -- 100 awards for excellence over the last few years. >>> this is a reminder of the >> al jazeera america presents >> i'm not a genius, but... i feel like that kid that doesn't need to go to practice. >> 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen coming september only on al jazeera america >> we're here in the vortex... only on al jazeera america >>> the story surrounds the shooting down of malaysian airline flight 17 reported by russia's media are sharply different than what the rest of the world is hearing. in fact, so different that most russians would have no idea that russian separatists are believed responsible. the propoganda blames ukraine, malaysian airlines and a throwback to the days of the cold war. one russian reports suggests it's a vast american conspiracy to pro