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it is not going to help is the tensions reason. notional ality from elli, supplement a palestinian analyst on his way. a fast believes washington, his own tokens, no action when it comes to course a system of jewish settlements to the additional position. they always say that they are again to prevent policy, but they make no action. can the united states it's, it's the, uh, what all is it, i assume it is where to begin for united states. i'm from spending a donation to sit there for months. and so is there not any organization working on the links for 2 months and at least bank? no, they don't do that. so if they feel please donate these action these activities go on and they do nothing except the issue and get statements from dominguez that are important to them. they are doing nothing by keeping, by doing this me out on leave, and cutting james as an end to continue to it's fullest. they, we, he aware of what we see no action to keep on top of all the latest updates logic in our website. all t don't. com, as always we appreciate your company. thank you for choosing archie international the the, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome to was a part. i didn't get a go when historians were revisiting the origins of the 1st world war. the term sleepwalking became very trendy in describing how divergence actors and self serving actors tangled together to produced one of the biggest catastrophes in human history. as a world andrews, he had another period of try always to some of the leading, or are we being deliberately lot into an a b 12 to discuss that i'm now joined by benjamin envelope. both are all how the west brockport to ukraine is to add a little bit is great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you for having me. now the title of your book, how the was brought warranty ukraine is quite self explanatory, and unambiguous but the contrary. and then me wants to challenge it immediately. because after all, it was russia that launched this military operation on the ukrainian soil. and this is something that both decision makers and opinion shapers in the west, a trying to frame as, as an act of aggression, a totally unprovoked act of aggression that goes against international law. and i have to say there, there's some validity to this argument. why do you think it was the was that was the main driving force behind this conflict is one of the points on making the books is to try to distinguish between what are referred to as proximal causes. the causes that immediately preceded a war and the deeper causes it can extend back in history for there's no natural starting point for 11 tries to establish as a sequence of events. so that while i make clear that the immediate cause of the war was mr. food and decided to launch the war p and as the military staff or whoever else in the criminal was intimately involved with the decision. and that sense they bear responsibility for initiating the war. and if the war could have been stopped and preventive at that point, then he bears responsibility. and of course, the russians bear responsibility for how the war is being carried out. what i'm focusing on the book more is not so much the proximal causes but are for it is a distal causes the causes and extend further back in time that are now kind of hidden from sight that may have been on the newspaper papers. you know the newspaper on the pages of the newspapers years ago and have been forgotten or they may never been on the pages of the papers at all. so it's, i'm focusing mostly on the distal causes and the causes leading up to the current moment. and you know, in your book reminds me reminded me a bit this a 2012 best seller by christopher clark on the origins of the 1st world war the, the sleep workers. and one of the reasons that book was so popular is because he tried to break the old paradigm of assigning a culture it then focusing on the who and the why and a step he was more interested in the structural dynamics of swelling, animosity when you observe um, the way the, the rounds develop on both sides of the atlantic. do you think decision makers are cognizant of how dangerous could it could be? and perhaps of the historic lessons of the previous conflicts? yeah, that's a great way of framing it with sleep walking. um, i would make just a couple of points 1st. i think i can't speak for the inner mind of the leaders, but just going from what statements i see being made publicly on both sides. i'm sure there's some cognizance of the threat of nuclear war and the danger of this getting out of control. i don't think there's enough. and that's my fear or, or one of the fears connect with this conflict. i'll also just risk for a moment that your comments about world war one. i think very often in the west and, you know, different people have different opinions. but i think the main street view that's coming out of washington and in the media is trying to impose the model of world war to a sort of hit or like expansionist. and unfortunately, there are even some who refer to mr. put in as a new hitler or whatever. and this is i would call a she warning a past event into a, a current event into a past model. so some people refer to their progress progressed in bed. and i think that the model that people is that's actually more appropriate and the greater concern is the model of world war one, where it on control the arms race between as is usually described in there's complications this, but non control arms race between britain and germany through a series of events and a series of i part of controllable circumstances. contingencies led to the outbreak of a war that was a catastrophe. and i think there's a great danger that we may run into that kind of problem now. and it's that world war one model that needs to be attended too closely in the west and also in russia, of course, one uh, how the united states to accumulate. they cannot make potential. and there are lots of people, not lots, but some of analysts here in moscow who believe that the americans are interested in having another global conflict as a way of overcome me, the multiplicity of cost of crises that we are facing right now. the crisis of capitalism, the crisis of global governance, ecological crisis. what have you, um, and i would blame that there are some historical precedents of that. i mean, i only klein's book. the shock doctrine clearly demonstrates how the capitalized aims, couldn't be served by, by the use, by the sanction use of states violent ultimately, is this a conflict about the values of the bottom administers and claims, or is it a conflict about resources and you know, getting preferential i'm keeping preferential conditions that the united states has accumulated as a, as a head german. yeah. so i don't see this conflict, so as being one of our values, that's not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of us population or elements of us leadership and elements of the russian population. the russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers. and i think that there it's, it's not to say that it's all poorly intentions. i think there are probably a range of motivations. some people probably are not seeing clearly, some people are probably very well intentioned, but are imposing outdated models and incorrect models in there which are protection of the events. um, but i think um, so i think the geostrategic thing is very central. there are certainly people in elements of the us, the leads that do want to weekend russia. you know, this whole question of a unipolar world. there is concern about that is the will for which dr. and etc, etc. so i don't see that that's actually uh, i don't like that. i don't like what's going on with respect to that. as far as the financial, the monetary issues, you know, there certainly are questions built into the background about the, the role of us dollars, the international reserve currency. there's questions of course, about, you know, how international markets

u. s b u n n b u r, faraway palestinians are all around here and they take is rarely expansion as a threat. the talent of to the most. i a weakness of violent attack by do stuff. there's just recently was dozens of cars burned and houses damaged again in response to the shooting at the gas station, as like a gas that in the body it keeps expanding and expands in on a daily basis. this threats lots of alliance until the people. so that's on the call to on. so that's on the village, the, the farming, it's right on everything. and that is low, open sides, the slides this side. even though we're on the military control, i think we are the longest nation on that. i keep patients in the world. i mean, we just have to fight back. we can't just sit there, let them keep going. we have to do something about it. we can just let them take our land. it's not right, but it seems the 2 state solution that the world is worried. the supplement policy will prevent from being achieved is locked out of the picture, at least for these rarely government. at a closed door meeting of the connectives for an affairs and defense committee. prime minister engine. yeah. who reportedly said that israel must stop palestinians . escalations for an independent state construction works are expected to start. so l e is getting ready to bring a new residence, as are all there is reality assessments all across the west bank and outposts no matter what. it is not exactly clear how new homes and more to recess or receive the heart of the palestinian territories will help counter terrorism. but what is clear already? it is not going to help is the tensions raised motion to all to you from eli supplement. a palestinian analyst on is really a fast believes washington diesel to no action when it comes to criticism of jewish settlements. it to the additional position, they always say that they are again to prevent policy, but they make no action. can the united step it's, it's the, the little is the for me is where to begin for united states. i'm transferring the donations to sit the months and to is there not any organization working on the existing mounts and as always bank, no, they don't do that. so if they feel please donate these actions, visa activities go on and they do nothing except the issue and get statements from them. is that a implement to them? they are doing nothing by keeping by doing this. they are only in cutting june, is that i have to continue. it's fully they, we, he aware of what we see no action. a design spray accounts that are here well known as the international. we always appreciated as always, plenty more to be found on our website, all t dot com and what was on the top of the, on the, i don't see this conflict. so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the russian population and russian leadership. that there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy or onrush as border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers, the general genia cause even during a custody scale shift. i personally, i think that it gotcha package with a product i should have thought of easy. let's go back to mr. additional escape. when he was 16, his father became a pa design in proteins. german occupied territories origin. but they're not coming up at all for these boxes on the case that things are on your the nazis destroyed his punches on unit. but the young man was saved by red army soldiers. the origin simple. yeah, that was a little you sure. the who was coming up a little bit when you're by and talk to a future. just passion, a check is vickers on the west coast. the logan came all the stuff i need to provide you with options from because oh, my gosh, looks like a double take or what did you buy into was asking them why your boss and your client. all of them are just not as good code at the moment you the police part is suspected additional excuse 5, the trial and sentenced him enough t

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it is not going to help is the tensions reason motional ality from l. e supplement a palestinian analyst on these way a fast believes washington diesel tokens, no action when it comes to course the system of jewish settlements. the to the additional position, they always say that they are against the policy but they make no action jam. they are not to be step it's, uh, it's the, the pro is it, i assume it is where i can give you like their time from spending a donation to sit there for months. and so is there not any organization working on the links for 3 months and at least bank? no, they don't do that. so if they feel please donate these action these activities go on and they do nothing except the issue and get statements from them. and because of the importance of them, they are doing nothing by keeping, by doing this they out on me and cutting james as a l to continue to it's fullest. they, we, he aware of what we see no action to keep on top of all the latest updates logic in our website, all t don't. com, as always, we appreciate your company. thank you for choosing aunty international. the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on the offsets, very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk the the general just because that's the study i gave him during your cousin case can shift it to somebody extra jingle that gotcha package. you would have photo session with the let's go back to miss divisional escape. when he was 16, his father became a part is done in proteins jim and occupied territories towards the also east partners. on the case that from georgia, the nazis destroyed his punches on unit. the young man was saved by red army soldiers. the origin simple. yeah. that was a little you sure. the last couple got the will be on the financial future. just actually not check is vickers on your desk of the movies stuff i have to provide you go to salt because i'll get my each looks like a double it for you. is you bought into the number your most and you, clement i'm, i'm are just not as good code at the wedding was you? 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