u. s. u k. relations because of course, these 2 countries are historic allies and they are to be signing a so called atlantic charter. and that is in the tradition of churchill andrews world, how they envisioned the post world order when they signed a shot, the 1st in 1941. so it's very much about these relation, these, these relations. however, what goes on really between the leaders, what sort of chemistry? i don't know one kid speculate that might be a little bit nervous because president biden had one had about 2 boys, johnson that he reminds him of, i don't know, trump and a physical and emotional clone even off the on the trump said, maybe just, you know, it's head of tension in the ad that but so both leaders, this g 7 sum it needs to be a success. so one can speculate the will make amends and will be on best behavior. so u. s. u k relations high on the agenda for today. what about buttons priority for the g 7 summit welded priorities for, for president biden, very much to reset the us as it is a global world power. there's going to be met many issues on the agenda, foreign policy issues, russia and china. but the really big key key big ones are also about fighting the corona pandemic, about distribution production of vaccines and climate change, which is an area also that the prime minister, both johnson is very much putting on the forefront of the summit. now as we heard that report barton delivered some pointed remarks at the start of his career, which will include meetings not only with the g 7, but also with nato late is the you and president putin of russia. what sort of expectations has he raised? well he as well as the u. k. really want to make the case for liberal democracies. they want to send a signal that multilateralism is back on the agenda that the west is standing up is standing up agains

u. s. and u. k. really need i think after that more than turbulent trump years. yeah. the renewal of the vows was something that was needed. that also was supposed to send a signal to the world that not only basically the united states is back, but the trans atlantic alliance of spence firm to tackle the global challenges. and i think it was yeah, it was a kind of symbolic gesture that is supposed to enhance to western credibility. ok, and renewing of the vows after the turbulent trump years. you want to stay with us . i want to play a clip of how prime minister boris johnson described the u. s. u k relationship after his meeting with biden. and then get your take it. so it's a relationship. you go to the deep and meaningful. he knew that whatever was the indestructible relationship, it's a, it's a relationship that has endured for a very long time and has been an important part of peace and prosperity, both in, in europe and around the world. that all sound very positive. but are there any lingering doubts about us democracy? yes, i think especially if you're asked th

u. k for his 1st foreign trip as the u. s. president. these are the latest pictures out of the u. k. u. c. u. s. president and his wife walking alongside the u. k. prime minister and his wife bores johnson. of course, hosting the g 7 leaders meeting which is to begin tomorrow. a 1000 to mourners have filled streets in the occupied westbank city of ginni and for the funeral of 2 palestinian intelligence officers. they were killed along with another palestinian during.

u. s. and u. k. really need i think after that more than turbulent trump years. yeah. the renewal of the vows was something that was needed. that also was supposed to send a signal to the world that not only basically the united states is back, but the trans atlantic alliance of dance firm to tackle the global challenges. and i think it was yeah, it was a kind of symbolic gesture that is supposed to enhance to western credibility. ok and renewing of the vows after the turbulent trump gears you want to stay with us. i want to play a clip of how prime minister bores johnson described the u. s. u k relationship after his meeting with biden. and then get your take it. so it's a relationship. you go to the deep and meaningful. he knew that whatever was the indestructible relationship it, it's a, it's a relationship that has endured for a very long time and has been an important part of peace and prosperity, both in, in europe and around the world. that all sounds very positive. but are there any lingering doubts about us democracy? yes, i think especially if you're asked th

u. s. u k u and even canada with a slew of those sections borrower is, is looking for the government of ellers. the effort to be aimed at is force in the landing of the ryan air passenger jet and the subsequent arrest on opposition journalist last month or for hellish, has more on the story from dollars. it's a joint response from the what's against baylor bruce today, the united states and coordination with our allies and partners in canada. the european union and the united kingdom has taken a number of actions to impose costs on the lucas shank over gene and belarus. for a variety of agree just acts. according to the us, the former soviet state is being punished for ongoing abuses of human rights corruption. the falsification of the 2020 election and the horse diversion of a ryan air flight on may 23rd. the ryan air passenger jet was on its way to lithuania from greece, both u member states and was forced to land in minsk following a reported bomb threat opposition. journalist from an per cost

u. s. u k. as in cornwall, for its annual summit, that some of accused of repelling and anti russia. and he, china, agenda, west and relations with one of the world's largest economies. china of argument, we shall know. point, particularly in the wake of accusations over a lot of bleak and we get genocide. nevertheless, communist china is the only major economy that hit record economic growth in the 1st quarter of this year. amidst the current pandemic. joining me now for a special show from shanghai venture capitalists and political scientist. eric lee, thanks so much eric for coming on. the g stands for a group, but i don't know whether you think it could stand for globalization. you said before that globalized door globalism, injected globalization is dead, has been dead for a while. was the g 7 basically another funeral? well, thank you for having the, i wouldn't call the funeral. it it's, it's a small party, you know, listen, i grew up my high school. i went to 300 kids just in my class. well, if you want to have a party with just 7 people, you could do. that's okay. i tell you these, these guys didn't go very far in life. maybe go to a far life because they wanted to nationalist enough. well, no, they were 2 exclusive to too much into themselves and they thought they were hot. they were bullies and they could run the world was much larger than that. and you've said that you can trace current society as, as configured in western europe to, to new liberal reforms after the fall of the berlin wall. you see, one of us swathes of the world has basically failed. they failed western europe has failed. the 20th a crash. i think you said the china failed to understand quite how cataclysmic, the so called western economic crisis was the we're still living with today despite the impact of the pandemic. well, i think it all transpired at the end of the cold war. and as we all know, america and west one, the cold war are somewhat a lot co since then, i think western society has gone on an indian logic cope who say, wedding their own country, they thought they got the magic formula, which is global, or liberalism, taking around the world liberal market economics, electro democracy, all these things they think is what made them succeed. and they're going to universalize and push it to the extreme in their own countries. and that led to the new liberal doctrine of economically and politically and socially. if you will, and i think i have run the ground in the past 10 years. they've gone too far and left too great unraveling of their own societies and a large number of bathrooms in the country that adopted those values. and those systems are not succeeding. developing countries among developing countries, post cold war china is the only major country that had really prospered and delivered for large number of people. deliver it to them a better life in the world. and the analysis that you'll see in the west for that is because it abandon socialism. i understand you've said actually the years between 949 and 979 of state socialism were the fundamentals upon which the chinese 21st century was built. this is, this is be an evolution from the time of the creation of the people's republic. well, yeah, i had said that and i think you know, people miss and miss. since through the history of modern times they, they tend to divide it into the 1st 30 years and their mouth to about lane and then shopping market reform, which china to what it is today. but i've always said that without the 1st year, the 2nd that the market with mom would not have been in the 1st 30 years. obviously we had a lot of problems and a lot of mistake. but it was in the 1st 30 years, we go like expectancy and 1949 valley about 40 or i think what, what do you one you when i live out live life expectancy in 1949. when people to publish mounted to already in the late sixty's in the late 1967, i think literacy rate went from negligible to over 80 percent among young people. in emily, 970 industrial base was built in the 1st 30 years, and more importantly, national independence china. nobody's invite it. and that allowed it to do it don't pass after the 1st 30 years that the people at the public. so thank shopping warms were successful in many ways because the foundation was late in the 1st 30 years and profound you've argued has been the relationship between political power and capital. you claim that will these g 7 leaders capital exerts disproportionate influence over politics. here in britain, in nature of countries, whereas in china, capitalists just don't have that power. oh, i'm a capitalist. i got no power in the medical pow anyway. so be, i think, what has gone astray in the where in america and maybe in europe and you case who is after the cold war. they've gone on the new liberal path where capital has the interest in capital risen above the interests of the nation. so capital began to pay politics and they looked after their own interest. so that's how you see the wealth capital in liberal society and, and solidified authentication in america and western side. and indeed, equality has exploded their food banks down the street for me here, remind us what is the precise difference between capitalism in nato, the liberal country and capitalism. in china, we don't have capitalism. we have a marketing economy, we do have a capital and we have people like me will manage capitalism. to me, means a market economy that you managed in a way that it generate efficient time allocated efficiently. ok, capital is to meaning somehow capital the interest of capital rise above the interest of the friday of the whole and they capture the cost for the benefit and that we don't want in the country. you often extol the virtues of marriage, socratic, communist party, congress. the definition, philosophically of meritocracy, easy in equality. you don't see the dangers of the increase in inequality in china, not just because of how successful in terms of market the economics china is become because of the system itself based meritocracy. well, i've always said that china, india has america credit governance, but i never called a america cd. i think there's an important distinction there. governments, me able people can raise, can rise to the rack and, and become decision makers. and that's what matters matter. government me. so you want capable people or test it through the years and just like a good company, you will have people that are capable, your hire them at the bottom and they move, they food, their track record, and you give them more possibility and how that's what, how government should work and you see the future enjoying that in terms of combat, again, quality, a return to some of the more socialist marxist principles that have arguably been last well, yes i in the past we've seen a great transformation of china last 9 to 10 years the, i think the paradigm shift occurred in 2012 with the 18 party congress. and china had shifted from 30 or 40 years prior to that, which was the headlong pursuit. gonna be comic well at whatever the cost actually and that were shifting away from that. and towards what caught my balance well, balance development, which really mean a common prosperity, a more equitable society. so there are a lot of side effects of market nomics that we had pursued for date, any qualities, one of them, environmental degradation is another, an odd and corruption was another. so all these issues needs to be addressed. and i think there's been a, a great transformation where the chinese society in china self perception and the national aspiration of the chinese people in my generation, especially among young people in my generation. we work primarily concerned about china being poor and lacking about on. but if you ask younger generation those who won post 994-2000 there, 34 in your minimum, by the way there of course they want economic opportunities, but their primary concerns are about any quality and sustainable sustainability for the future. so if you're a viewer in a nato country watching this interview, you're going to be thinking, hang on a minute. china is responsible for genocide every other day. we hear about this alleged genocide in june. jang, and arguably, arguably a connected to china's lack of interventionism given it's afghan, has done the chinese officials now talk about and you have no free press and you're not allowed to. the chinese people is 400000000 young people. they're not allowed to understand the history of civilizations from all different points of view. what sort of society is that? well, if that's what they want to believe, they can believe. if that's true, china going nowhere. if that's true, china would never have achieved already, as he you know, the young chinese view jordan, knowledgeable about the world. and that's the fact that we have the post $92000.00 generations. extremely lifelong about. i mean, i'm not saying wikipedia is that great, but we compete is banned in china. yeah. but well, base they can still get cnn. let me, let me give you one exam. ok. i'm so sorry. sorry. yeah, that's, yeah. but listen, i think that the year before 2019 alone about a 120 a 130000000 chinese people went abroad and came back the largest car of outbound part of the country in the world by far so. so to say that somehow chinese people don't know about what's going on in the world. i think they're battling mistake. still be there more from the leading chinese venture capitalist of political scientists often break as well as sanction, rarely work rarely work except maybe a week, maybe a month when the world always figures a way to get around the same. whether it's, whatever it is that was anxious, don't work, politicians get the city. and they say, see, i am saving the world, saving themselves and they're making friends, which these are the 4 people who pulled the trigger. survive something on survival. was the hardest things that i had. the face was not having a face adult by patient life accepted. i accept the fact that i made that appointment. we had no fears. del change pretty fast for shots. different stories behind the bullets. the welcome back. i'm still with venture capitalists and political scientists. eric lee, you said the europe european project is basically finished. obviously a lot of people in britain agree with you because they voted for breakfast and the largest democratic vote in history in this country. do you see the response to china's rise in terms of sanctions, in terms of what many suddenly chinese officials believe is propaganda in the western media. these are the only responses left for brussels and stroudsburg. well, i wouldn't be so kind of the mistake about europe and about china. i don't think your project finishes, certainly in some trouble. i think it's in trouble because probably because of taken on a overly geological interaction or some time. and i think some corrections are needed and i'm, i'm optimistic about the future of europe and for the correct itself. and we know that, but in terms of the relationship between europe and china and the western china were type i, q 7, meeting late in the year, i was just looking at the numbers of countries. and that's the largest rate, the largest economy of us, japan in germany. guess who is the largest trading partner? austria, china. ok. in the u. k. china, your biggest income market. there are 200000 chinese students studying u. k, u n. of our cities right now. paying 1700000000 pounds a year in tuition. it's probably the largest thought the foreign revenue and your k universe days. so they're extraordinary interconnectivity between china and all the european country. very there is the interconnect in china, just replace as you say, germany as britain's big, simple market. but you know about the sanctions. what does a businessman think? watching this program, knowing the 3rd party sanctions, china is now saying they're going to retaliate against us. trump era sanctions that have been continued through to biden, what is the business? what's supposed to think, despite all the big figures of huge into connectivity about the future is this is, this is unstable. how can i be sure that the governments here in europe and going to sanction me for some element in the supply chain? well, it's unfortunate, and i think, i don't feel like

u. s. u k. industry was dreaming with renew confidence. 13 companies applies to the $25.00. the reactors was changing in the u. k. 2 by 2025. if current policy is unchanged, there will be a dramatic gap on our targets to reduce c o 2 emissions. these fact puts the replacement of nuclear power stations back on the agenda with a vengeance. i suppose we shouldn't be surprised. the politicians say one thing and there's nothing in government, but that's what happened. and that's certainly what happened. it was often reported to tony blair wanted to leave a strong legacy and part of his legacy, most perhaps launching a nuclear power program that would solve the problem of global warming and insulating a few lofts. bringing in a few small wind turbines on land, doesn't have that same impressive sound too, as launching a huge nuclear power program. successes were equally enthusiastic in 2009 gordon brown called for a nuclear plant to be built. christine and in 2010 david cameron's new coalition government gave those plans, the cruise lines. and the germans looked fit to give the ass me another chance. the nuclear ind

u. s. u. k and canada. and the next step will be to target t export industries. with the goal of blocking the flow of funds to the lucas shackle government, if approved, those sectors will include oil and fertilizers, both crucial sources of hard currency for bellows. now it follows a wave of indignation from european leaders over the ryan air incident in late may . the plane was on its way from greece to the window when it was forced to land in minsk over a hoax. bomb threat to passengers, the editor of a bellow russian opposition telegram channel suspected of involvement in organizing mass, anti government protest and his russian girlfriend were removed from the aircraft and arrested russia analyst martin mccauley thinks further. sanctions could have a dire effect on ordinary citizens. as quickly shortly statement from from the european union in the west saying they want to actually collapse the economy because not for the average person. and they will civil and the shortages are present in billers, of course, and prices, origin and living centers have dropped.

u. s. u k, portugal to japan, they, paul, russia and china as well. and again, been trying to get on top of this before it has the kind of devastation that don't both here and aboard. the white house chief medical advisor anthony found, she said on tuesday that the delta, the original delta variant, the biggest threat to america getting the club in 1900 pandemic to control that 20 percent of all the new cases in the us of the delta. very interesting, mythical increase from nearly 10 percent 2 weeks ago. of course, lays metrics around the world, including india, calls have keep you very close eye on this development. but in terms of india was about the cases that are emerging there. and the general role out to the vaccine. well, i suppose if there's any good news in india at the moment that the 2nd wave, which for around 100 more than 180 top 1000 death, most of them in april and may, has tapered off. and cases have declined, and d of a quarter around 50000 new cases on tuesday to put that into perspective, there were more than 400000 cases just over a

u. s. u k funds, germany and now. yeah, and so they're big weapons vendors. and of course, those countries are the ones that weapons are in the countries or deployed and used in the countries which are make the countries with the, with the least amount of piece when you, me an exact balance there. well, certainly the supply of the industry is the good the list which gets out in the country between conflict, obviously the place today. and there are certainly many proxy wars which i get right in different parts of the world. but certainly one of the driving factors in the last 5 years, it was know, in the last 7 years, it's been the rise of bias and why it moved through syria through what you get, i rock and day. so certainly that you do need weapons to part the toxic right. change like that. if we're looking over into this whole reach mom and we can see arise that elements of isis there. so again, i think certainly having a better regulations around a weapon. so i think it's really, really important. that's really, but that's the responsibility of thing. you went out this to be out better, but the scale of the subs, region and so on is far less than i don't know, the opioid crisis is what half a 1000000 dead between 992019. the venezuelan government says 40000 dead because of sanctions by countries like britain in the united states. do you think you can factor in in the next report? venezuela? now claiming that the kovacs broberg program is being weaponized to prevent life saving vaccines for a country like venezuela. but this stage we can see is including a lack of vaccine in a pallet. you know, the availability back saying it's being part of the global pace index. and again, it comes back to the data and i keep signing the data, which you can get to do. the index is limited. the limited availabilities and i great 100 percent with the 3 way health issues and a bad and sort of particularly when this lack of food. but the lack of food, china is very, very complicated. matter and conflict can fall into it in different ways. but they're a whole range of other things which just come down to simply incompetence within the gum. see korea. thank you greg. thank you. joy playing on after the break, after germany agrees to return their been bronzes looted for more jury by british troops. we look at what the british refusal to do the same says about its approach to racial justice, imperialism, and was in the name of capital. all this, i'm all coming out of going underground. ah, the summit who's coming guns, but biking real message on his european toward was to galvanized washington's outline into some kind of anti china lion that he succeed also the january 6 right? the f b i n b r o gives me ah, ah ah, ah ah ah ah, ah, ah, ah ah ah welcome back and when we heard about the decades deteriorating peace in the world, can anything really change of nations responsible for centuries of bloodshed refuse to reckon with their crimes. this is one of the questions of the center of a debate around the beneath bronze is artifacts looted by the british from what is now. and i gere a in the wake of a brutal invasion. so while germany has agreed to return, it's ron does. what does it say about the you can the u. s. that they have so far shown? no signs of really doing the same. joining me from london, his bond to be philip's former b, b. c, nigeria correspondent, and the author of lute britain and the benign bronzes. thanks so much fun to me for coming on. obviously, statues of racists and slave trade is coming down across britain. tell me how the money in bronze is links. you can colonialism, miller tourism the economics, let alone the global fight for justice against relates. i think the ben in bronze is, had become emblematic around the high in charged argument over colonial due to doc, which is being played out in britain, in europe. and in the united states, and there are probably, i would argue 2 reasons for this. the 1st is that they are really spectacular works and there are so many of them thousands of them and they are very prominent in the great museums of europe and the united states. that in the met there in the british museum there in berlin, there in the me a k brown, lee and

u. s. u. k. and calendar. and the next step will be to target key export industries. with the goal of blocking the flow of funds to the lucas shank of government, if approve those sectors will include oil and fertilizer is both crucial sources of hard currency propellers. whereas follows a wave of indignation from european leaders over the reiner incident in late may. the plane was on its way from greece to lift you in the air when it was forced to london minsk over a hoax. bomb threat to passengers. the editor of a bell rushing opposition telegram channel and his russian girlfriend were removed from the aircraft, arrested russia unless martin mccauley thinks further. sanctions kind of a dire effect on ordinary citizens. which currently, jordan is taken from, from the european union in the west saying they want to actually collapse the economy because not refilled the average person. and they will civil and shortages are present in billers, of course, and prices origin when living centers have dropped. so that's why the situation will become even worse. i think there'

u. s. u k. as in cornwall for its annual summit, that some of accused of repelling and anti russia. and he, china agenda western relations with one of the world's largest economies. china of argument, we shall know point, particularly in the wake of accusations over a lot of bleak and we get genocide. nevertheless, communist china is the only major economy that hit record economic growth in the 1st quarter of this year. amidst the current pandemic. joining me now for a special show from shanghai venture capitalists and political scientist. eric lee, thanks so much eric for coming on. the g sounds for a group, but i don't know whether you think it could stand for globalization. you said before that globalized or globalism injected. globalization is dead, has been dead for a while. was the g 7 basically another funeral? thank you for having the i will call the funeral it. it's a small party. listen, i grew up.

u. s. u. k. as in cornwall, for its annual summit, that some of accused of repelling and anti russia. and he, china, agenda, west and relations are one of the world's largest economies. china of argument. we shall know point, particularly in the wake of accusations over a week and last week and we get genocide. nevertheless, communist china is the own major economy that hit record economic growth in the 1st quarter of this year. amidst the current pandemic. joining me now for a special show from shanghai venture capitalists and political scientist. eric lee, thanks so much eric for coming on. the g stands for a group, but i don't know whether you think it could stand for globalization. you said before that globalized door globalism, injected globalization is dead, has been dead for a while. was the g 7 basically another funeral? well, thank you for having the, i wouldn't call the funeral. it it's, it's a small party, you know, listen, i grew up my high school, i went to 300 kids just in my class. well, if you want to have a party with just 7 people.

u. s, u, k. and, and others have so been unsupportive of a new treaty and, you know, have been expressed varying degrees of support for actually continuing discussion. so those are some of the roadblocks that we faced as things stand. the u. s. is highly unlikely to support a bad rather it set out its own principles, which includes human involvement. a ban on autonomous weapon systems is essentially infeasible, just because the technology is out there. the department of defense has been very clear about its commitment to ethical uses of these technologies where right now the position as a human being has to be on the loop or in the loop when those weapons are used. so there won't be fully ups optimist in the sense that there won't be any human interaction with these weapons systems. but the reality is, the us, china and russia are all competing so intensely in all areas of a technology that is questionable whether any of them was sign up to a treaty that significantly limits what they can do. asi

u. s, u, k. and, and others have so been unsupportive of a new treaty and, you know, have been express varying degrees of support for actually continuing discussion. so those are some of the roadblocks that we faced as things stand. the u. s. is highly unlikely to support a ban. rather, it says have its own principles which include human involvement. a ban on autonomous weapon systems is essentially infeasible just because the technology is out there. the department of defense has been very clear about its commitment to ethical uses of these technologies. where right now the position is that a human being has to be on the loop or in the loop when those weapons are use. so they won't be fully optimist in the sense that there won't be any human interaction with these weapons systems. but the reality is, the us, china and russia are competing so intensely in all areas of a technology that is questionable whether any of them was fine up to a treaty that significantly limits what they can do. aside from the lack of interest from crucial players, the challenge of tackling and intangible technology like a i is genuinely difficult. a lot of arms control systems in the pod, basically where about, you know, allocating a certain

u. s. u k funds, germany and laboratory. yeah. yeah. and so they're big weapons vendors. and of course, those countries are the ones in weapons or in the countries or deployed and used in the countries which are make the countries with the, with the least amount of pease. give me an exact balance there. well, certainly the supply of the industry is the not good the list which gets out in the country between conflict, obviously the place at bay and there are certainly many proxy wars we get right in different parts of the world. but certainly one of the driving factor in the last 5 years, it was know, in the last 7 years, it's been the rise of bias and why it moved through syria through what you get, i rock and dave, so certainly that you do need weapons to part to the toxic right. change like that . if we're looking over into a whole reach mom and we can see rise that elements of isis there. so again, i think certainly having a better regulations around a weapon. so i think so really, really important. that's really, but that's the responsibility of thing. you went out th

u. s, u, k, and, and others have. so they've been on, on supportive of new trudy. and, you know, have been express varying degrees of support for actually continuing discussion. so those are some of the roadblocks that we face as things stand. the us is highly unlikely to support a ban. rather, it sets out its own principles which include human involvement, a ban on autonomous weapon systems is essentially infeasible, just because the technology is out there. the department of defense has been very clear about its commitment to ethical uses of these technologies. where right now the position is that a human being has to be on the loop or in the loop when those weapons are use. so that won't be fully autonomous in the sense that there won't be any human interaction with these weapons systems. but the reality is, the us, china and russia are all competing so intensely in all areas of a technology that is questionable whether any of them would sign up to a treaty that significantly limits what they can do. besides, from the lack of interest from crucial play is the challenge of tackling and intangible technology like a i is genuinely a lot of arms control systems and the pod, basically, where about, you know, allocating a certain number of systems. you know, you are allowed 100 warheads of this one and you are an all to 100 worth of this type. and we're basically counting. you can't, you can't do this with the enabled weapon systems that we're talking about because it doesn't matter what it looks like from the outside. but what's in there, germany is being quite active in trying to navigate around these problems. it's foreign minister says that the will have to find a way this is not just like we managed to do with nuclear weapons over many decades . we have to forward you international treaties on new weapons technology. high co mass is a member of germany, social democrats, and it's been a vocal advocate of arms control. indian dietician math. i need to make clear that we agree that some developments that are technically possible and not acceptable and must be prohibited global internet to not to. in fact, the gentleman guzman has laid out his intention in the document that underpins the current coalition. it says we reject autonomous weapon systems that are outside human control. we want to prohibit them worldwide. now, it sounds pretty clear, but even this is complicated. germany, for instance, does not support the campaigns has stopped robots. it says there's a better way. as the definite ones which, you know, at least up can be and we don't reject it in substance. we're just saying that we want those to be included in the global controls, that we would need to ensure that hotel, my weapon systems don't come into use military powers that have technologically in a position not just to develop a thomas weapons, but also to use them we need to include them in georgia spectrum, all of them. so this isn't just to debate about the right to run the civil economist. it's also a debate the process. on the one hand, germany says that the big powers must be on board for any agreement. they want that elusive consensus in the geneva process. on the other hand, the campaign says stop killer robot says the matter is too urgent to wait. they say there's only time for one more round in geneva. and we feel that if they don't take action by, you know, at that point, that they should consider strongly, they should move outside of the conventional, conventional weapons and look at other options. so there they could go to the un general assembly to negotiate a treaty. they could start an independent process, basically a form that is not down by consensus, but is guided by states that actually are serious about this issue and willing to take, develop strong standards to, to regulate these weapons. so the well doesn't agree on what to do about the atomic weapons and it can't even agree on how to agree on what to do about them in this situation. is that any prospect of a solution? i think in the end, we may end up with rules or norms. agreements that are no more focused on specific uses and use cases rather than specific systems or technology where basic needs great. for example, to use certain capabilities only in the past the way or only against machines rather than humans are only in certain context. but as you can imagine implementing that, 1st of all, agreeing to that and, and implementing that is just much harder than, than some of the, the older arms control agreements. i just commanding. this is the rock bottom level of trust between the major powers. right now, it's very us, china talked in the last game early 2021 is tended into a bit around to back conversations. when there is a lack of trust, you tend to attribute all kinds of intentions to the other party. and you tend to overestimate what they might be doing and overshoot in terms of response. and to be frankly, the developments on the technology front are actually having to trust preventing the kind of cyber disaster. we would require the great powers to cooperate. but as a 1st step, there were all things they could do independently. i think states need to think very carefully about how that type of peroration could be misinterpreted in order to kind of fully analyze the benefits and risks before conducting them. you know, i think countries that dr. rule that any before launching any cyber exclusions against new clicks, amanda control including julia, right, including the stuff is part of your conventional that should have to be signed off by a secretary of defense states as a way of ensuring. busy you know, these things are not key. beyond that, the best we could hope for might be a behavioral norm. agreed between the u. s. russia and china that they would not learn cyber intrusions against each other's nuclear commander control systems. the idea would be that if you detected another state in your network, the deal was often you could go off to their network. and so in this way, you'd hope to force disagreement from neutral to terrorists. but remember that problem of entanglement of systems involved in nuclear and non nuclear operations. that's going to make it very difficult to define, walk them all the control aspects are included. and what come on the control back that you'd have to have some pretty kind of difficult and sensitive negotiations. states are ready for the world deeper into this era of great power competition. the challenge will be for the big 3 to call out areas like this, where they come mutual interest above the visceral drive to be on top of that is the spirit of arms control. i don't, i don't think it's possible that you know, the terrorists, which, which are over your opponents

u. s. president on his 1st trip abroad after 5 months in office and the u. k. prime minister, the host of this g 7 summit trying to get everything ready before the summit starts in about 24 hours. time from now is part of the whole gender of the new president trying to get his allies and partners united on key issues. and you're going to see the same thing taking place when he goes from here to brussels, where the meeting of nato leaders then meeting with all of the leaders of the you trying to work out what to do about corona virus. what to do about the economic pool out of the pandemic, how to deal with climate change after of course, the previous us president donald trump pulled out of the powers, caught climate, a cold, the u. s. committed to that again. and also what to do about some of the big problems in the world and some of the more problematic countries of the world, including powerful countries like china and russia. and of course, towards the end of president biden's visit. having got that united front, he hopes from his allies and partners, he'll

u. s. u k, or certainly other 5 eyes nations, why? even i can follow up. i'm just some guy. but i can follow up on a c, g, t, n piece in english, and think for myself as kind of millions of others. hence, this latest distraction with teen player found she in order to shift narratives. i mean, who writes these scripts for the press to that and recite some neo con hacks with heidegger fetishes who never finished film school. yeah, i mean you, interesting and all in my introduction i gave all of the, the, the ridiculous fiasco, you know, these people, it was orchestrated with people that are not very bright. ok. it's that is obviously that's why they fall apart. and these and these new quote what new stories are for other news people to believe ok would say all this kind of knob, their head ok like seals, you know, clapping here. you know? but john, you know, my, i want to make it clear to everyone here. i want to know what happened. ok. i'm not interested in blaming or you know, punitive, anything i'm not interested in. i want to know what happened. so we don't go through it again because for all the people that report upon it and for all the 5 g, like people they still get paid are doing really, really well. there are hundreds of millions of people around the world that are in distress right now. because of this, and we need accountability and the get accountability, we need to know the truth for a change. go ahead, john new york. no, no, there's going to be no accountability because as we said, as we know, there's a really leads and there's a media that serves. this really leads and so there's never gonna be an accountability never been, never will be independent investigation. fact, she won't be brought to justice. i maybe he'll be thrown under the bus by people, obviously more powerful because he's just upon at the end of the day. but there was one moment here. i really want to emphasize that we're not we haven't talked about is the public. how does the public, how does the american public see this? and why do they fall for every time every time the american public at least 5060 percent, they fall for not entirely 100 percent. but 56 percent of people believe the lies and they fall for every time. why? because americans have effectively outsource their thinking to the media. yeah, most americans, they, they cannot, they're so busy. they have so much debt. there's so much credit card debt. they pay the rent, pay the mortgage onto their smart people, but they have no time to think. so they just click ok and he said this scene and said that your time. so that's, that's what i'm going to think because i have no time to think. so i, technically, most americans outsource their thinking to the major media. the major media knows that the corporate media call them the party control media. they know that. and so they will trick, they will deceive the american public every time and get away with it, you know accountable. okay, let me go to, i'm going to go to tommy last minute here, right? y'all also, i would expand upon what john just said there is that if you don't agree, if you do descent, then you're a big it then you're a racist or a trend. but now the smear, you, if you don't agree, go ahead, right? right before we go to the break question. no, i'm here. that's right. and you know, is zeena fall or throw the list out there? it really is about silencing any opposition. what i find most right, frightening is silencing independent thought. that's where our country here in the u. s. is based on freedom of correction, freedom of beliefs, freedom to assemble. and what the progressive democrat left wants to do is silence that. and the media is there cheering them on way and, and also, you know, in, with this labilly query, it's not, it's not really about china in my opinion. it's about the us government involvement . and if this is what they're really, really were, because they can be demonized. rush, a rand chime, and that's all that's all about new for us here. but if it's, if the u. s. government officials are involved in this than that in something really catastrophic that we have to consider. or i'm going to go to a short break here. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the media. stay with our to the the news in the the news next, either financial survival guide. let's learn about be allowed. let's say i'm a joy and your grief. i'm grief based on the site walk 3 prod. thank you for helping. ah, well, enjoy that right. fill out that

u. s. u. k. secret intelligence agency, attending journalist and co, we'd come from a will and lab labs. well, 1st of all, to trace the real region of covey, 19 adamic. we need to put science 1st, and that excludes all the conspiracy appear. and then there is a process headed by the w h o channel cooperated with w h o from the very beginning. when the panoramic was discovered in han and also through the field that is an investigation by the rachel scientist, men from actually our american scientists. so let's follow the process rather than allow the conspiracy theories to gain the up ahead. crother allow me to make a proposal. i think when you build up a global corporate 19 chronology, because now we know for sure that before the outbreak han with the benefit of hindsight they will discover is all the pharisee many other parts of the world. the japan, for example. it's really and more importantly in the united states. so i think we cannot just focus on china. for example, the patient 0 or the sp

u. s. u k relationship and cause you trouble on other issues. we're flexible on the whole issue of duration ship between the u. k and, and, and the united states. and what's happened over the last years that let's be optically, it is the job all prime ministers, everybody who does my job to have close relations, a close working relationship with the president of the united states. and i think what maybe has been helpful be useful in building the partnership with, with j biting his as being you know, the common interests we have, in fact, in climate change, for instance, which we've discussed extensively of the, the campaign i've been running for a long time on, on female education, which he lately, which he completely shares. but the whole idea of, of leveling off, which is that the core of what this government is, is trying to do using infrastructure using better skills technology to give people access to the highest highway high skills jobs around the whole country. and that's something that i know that the, the presence engaged in the big pro

u. s. u. k. 33000 people have died from corporate 19 in iran, archeologists and historians are divided about new concrete pathways for tourists. one of the world's most important monuments, some say they devastate the acropolis in greece. but as john surplus supports from athens, the working to restore what it originally looked like, the acropolis in athens receives thousands of visitors a day. they climb cobblestone puffs built in the 1950s to reach the open space at the top. and here they are now met with a broad pathway that takes them to the temple of athena, known as the puffing on this pathway of port concrete was laid down in the past few months. and it has outraged many seasons visitors who say its breadth and the material it's made of disrespect the site. but those we spoke to liked it, but i thought that well they do have, they was sort of it didn't feel like it wasn't in place, but it didn't fit in. you didn't really notice that as like an ice or anything like that. the critics suspec

u. s. u. k, australia, new zealand. major films, big, big, big films, representation of muslims. and the results were expected, but still shocking. tell us more. yeah, it was, it was definitely expected. so we did this research project with the ford foundation and the annenberg inclusion center at the university of southern california. and the actor resentment, and really the purpose of the study was because there was no real data on what representation and muslims looked like on film and television. and while we expected the results to not be good, i think we were still really dismayed. and in some facets, really shocked by what we saw the we expected that the representation of muslims on film and television would be a bit more. but we didn't expect it to be as completely erase and the, the nuance than the diversity of muslims to be completely erased from popular culture. so i think that for us, it was a really, it was, it was a really difficult thing to see because once a result started to come out, we really started to understand why and how these attitudes towards muslims aro

u. s. u k. and european countries who are considering sanctioning china or chinese companies because of china's actions in hong kong. for example, taiwan, oregon, some of them we go, minority ensure young province. now this follows the expansion of a blacklist of chinese companies by the u. s. biden administration. last week and this blacklist comes as a result of national security concerns and concerns around surveillance as well. but the u. s. has about 4 of these different blacklist and they have slightly different penalties, but they do punish chinese companies and they have had real, real significant results. for example, we've had the chinese tech joint qual way they've seen their revenue dropped 2 years in a row because of restrictions imposed by the u. s. government. but on the other hand, china doesn't have an equivalent mechanism, what it has its own unreliable entities list. but this list doesn't really have any significant chief to affect these u. s. companies. so the chinese governm

u. s. u k, portugal, to japan, they, paul, russia and china as well. and again, been trying to get on top of this before it has the kind of devastation that delta both here and abroad. the white house chief medical advisor anthony found, she said on tuesday, that the delta, the original delta variant, is the biggest threat to america getting the coven 1900 pandemic under control. that 20 percent of all the new cases in the us. the delta, very significant increase from nearly 10 percent 2 weeks ago. organizes of next month. so kill lympics having veiled tough new vol for spectators, including a ban on alcohol. they say the usual festive mood at the event will have to be suppressed to make sure it's safe and secure. the decision to go ahead with the olympics is highly controversial, but organizes insist all necessary precautions will be taken body. sir. lama is in tokyo, and he says the alcohol band adds to a growing list of restrictions for domestic spectators. the spectators, they have to wear them off all the time. they have to inform the organizing c

u. s. u k, or certainly other 5 ice nations, why? even i can follow up. i'm just some guy. but i can follow up on a c, g, t, n piece in english, and think for myself as kind of millions of others. hence, this latest distraction with teen player found she in order to shift narratives. i mean, who writes these scripts for the press to that and recite some neo con hacks with heidegger fetishes who never finished film school. i read interesting and in my introduction i gave all of the, the, the ridiculous fiasco, you know, these people, it was orchestrated with people that are not very bright. ok. it's that is obviously that's why they fall apart. and these and these new quote what new stories are for other news people to to believe ok would say all this kind of knob, their head ok like seals and clapping here. you know, bit john, you know, my, i want to make clear to everyone here. i want to know what happened, ok. i'm not interested in blaming or punitive anything. i'm not interested in. i want to know what happened. so we don't go through it again because for all the people

u. s. u. k. and canada. and the next step will be to target key export industries with the goal of blocking the flow of funds to the lucas shinkel government. if approved, those sectors will include oil and fertilizers, both crucial sources of hard currency for belarus. of this follows a wave of indignation from european leaders over the ryan air incident and late may . the plane was on its way from greece to lithuania when it was forced to land in minsk over a hoax. bomb threat to passengers, the editor of a bell or russian opposition telegram channel suspected of involvement in organizing mass anti government protests and his russian girlfriend were removed from the aircraft and arrested russia analyst, mark mccauley thinks further. sanctions could have a dire effect on ordinary citizens. which greatly shortly statement from from the european union in west saying they want to actually collapse the economy because not for the average person. and they will, some of the shortages are present in billers, of course, and prices, origin, livingston, others have dropped. so that from the situation we would become even worse. i think there's some people in the west who believe that if the economy collapses and the country then more falls apart, this will then lead to president lucas younger disappearing. and somebody else taking over with the risk is that you, in fact, get the military dictatorship and somebody the military would come in and you would have a military leader and he would be very hard lined. indeed, the russian football team's participation in the u. f. a euro 2020 tournament is over following a, crushing for to one defeat to denmark in copenhagen on monday, while competition favorites belgium stayed perfect, beating finland to nail in saint petersburg, where authorities had a huge task on their hands to keep fans safe from coven, alexia, shasky spoke to us from russia's northern capital. ross's euro 2020 campaign comes to a, an early stop. the heavy defeat in the hands of denmark, in short, russia would not even have a chance to be in the play off round during this tournament. in the meantime, belgium prevailed over philip here in saint petersburg, would you give him a chance to be in the playoffs? depends on how other teams fire across all are the groups. obviously, fins and the belgians will be delighted in the streets of st. petersburg. tonight. they have been bringing great atmosphere to the events of the north, but we have to say that this whole fi, so football here in saint petersburg has come with somewhat of a bitter pil

u. s. u k funds, germany. and that's korea. yeah. and so they're big weapons vendors. and of course, those countries are the ones that weapons are in the countries or deployed and used in the countries which are make the countries with the, with the least amount of piece to be an exact balance there. well, certainly the supply of the industry is the not good the list which gets out in the country between conflict, obviously the place at bay. and there are certainly many proxy wars which i get right in different parts of the world. but certainly one of the driving factors in the last 5 years, it was know, in the last 7 years, it's been the rise of bias. that's why it moved through syria, through what you get, i rock and dave, so certainly that you do need weapons to part to the toxic right chain slot. that if we're looking over into a whole reach mom and we can see arise that elements with isis there. so again, i think certainly having a better regulations around a weapon. so i think so really, really important. that's really but that's the responsibility of thing. you went out has to be out of it, right. but i mean, but the scale of the subs, region and so on is far less than i don't know, the opioid crisis is what half a 1000000 dead between 992019. the venezuelan government says 40000 dead because of sanctions by countries like britain in the united states. do you think you can factor in in your next report? venezuela? now claiming that the kovacs broberg program is being weaponized to prevent life saving vaccines for a country like venezuela. quite this stage we can see including a lack of vaccine. so the, val, it's the on availability back saying it's being part of the global pace index. again comes back to the data and i keep saying the data which you can get to do the index is limited limited availabilities and i great 100 percent with you the death 3 way health issues a bat. and sort of particularly when this lack of food, but the lack of food chain is very, very complicated. matter and conflict can fall into it in different ways. but there are a whole range of other things which can just come down to simply incompetence within the gum. see korea, thank you. great, thank you. joy bang on after the break, after germany agrees to return, there been bronzes looted from what is known agirri by british troops. we look at what the british refusal to do the same says about its approach to racial justice, imperialism, and was in the name of capital awesome. all coming up and part of going on the grant. ah, the ah, ah, always be polite, never engage with an aggravated or confrontational office. don't get into any conversation to start answering questions. just ask for an attorney. to survive in interrogation. you've gotta be ready. you're definitely don't want to be going to trial in a jump. so one cups, you're more likely to walk free. if you're rich and guilty when you are, if you're poor and you got 2 eyes and 2 ears and one mouth. so you should be seen in here and a whole lot more than you're saying if you don't take that advice, usually going to date yourself a whole welcome back and well, when we heard about the decade deteriorating peace in the world with can anything really change of nations responsible for centuries of bloodshed refuse to reckon with their crimes. is one of the questions of the center of a debate around the benito bronze is artifacts looted by the british from what is now and jerry in the wake of a brutal invasion. so while germany has agreed to return its bronze is, what does it say about that? you can, the us that they have so far shown, no signs of really doing the same. joining me from london as bobby phillips, former bbc nigeria correspondent, and the author of lute britain and the benign bronzes. thanks so much fun to me for coming on. obviously, statues of racist and slave trade is coming down across the britain. tell me how the been bronzes, links you can colonialism militarism, the economics, let alone the global fight for justice against relates. i think the ben in bronze is, had become emblematic around the high in the charged argument over colonial due to doc, which is being played out in britain, in europe and in the united states. and there are probably, i would argue to reasons for this. the 1st is that they are really spectacular works and there are so many of them thousands of them. and they are very prominent in the great museums of europe and the united states that in the met there in the british museum, that ring bell in there, in the movie a k, bradley and parish, and so on. and i think the other reason is the way in which they were taken in $1897.00, which is right towards the end of the period that we call the scramble for africa. the initial territorial grabbed of africa is just not that long ago. and it is perhaps, as a consequence of that very well documented from the british side, the ref, letters their journals, there are photographs. and so the story, at least from the british point of view, is very intact. it's staring us in the face if you care to look for it. i want to get to the bloodshed in a 2nd. but given that you are a long standing journalist, you covered cover in the book about i think the sort of orientalist hedge a monic power that went on in 1897 about the journalist reaction to the exhibition in the 897. i mean, they were all baffled, even those that seem to be anti colonial. are going well this copy, black african. that's right. the been in bronze is go on display in september of 897. they, they've been looted in february of 1897 from benning. and that 1st great exhibition takes place in the british museum in september and it causes a sensation. you're right. the words which the journalists use are baffled. remarkable amaze because what they are feeling challenges at that conceptions that prejudices and not just the justice class sections, but the prejudices of, of late victorian england, of course, because they are seeing works of extraordinary beauty. and they are likened to ancient greece. they likened to the finest works of the italian relations, and yet of course, africa is meant to be a place of barbarism and a place of savagery. and indeed, bending in particular has been portrayed as a very right bart grade. barbaric place during the british military invasion, some 6 or 7 months earlier. the other thing, of course, is that africa is meant to be a place without history. and yet here, all these been guns, blacks, you can see fabulously details or trails of early portuguese explorers soldiers, sailors in alma, from the 15th century, which means that they are themselves almost hundreds of years. and of course, points to what is that i guess or contract for the british $997.00, which is that the bending kingdom has enjoyed a peaceful relationship with successive waves of european explorers and traders, including british traders, portuguese dutch, french for some 400 years and here john, this can see that the time saturday was june, the teen celebrating a form of freedom in texas. that was granted how important is the link between these bronzes and the genocidal slave trade? it's a complex connection between, between the slave trade and the band in bronzes. the, the bending kingdom remains a powerful kingdom throughout the period of the trans atlantic slave trade. and to some extent, it is on the periphery of the slave trade. it's true that at its height bending does supply thousands of slaves for the dutch, for the british, for the portuguese. but it doesn't get far been to the extent that other kingdoms do say on what was called the gold coast and the slave coast and so on. often, in fact, the commodity that is most prized in bending is ivory and that is something which the dutch in particular take out of bending in huge quantities later. of course, in the mid 900 century onwards, the british having been enthusiastic proponents of the slave trade have become zealous in trying to stamp it out. and this is used as one of the arguments for food for ending that means independence and for the invasion, which is from the british point of view, a desire to end the slave trade and to end what they're calling the bar practice of human sacrifice. i'll get to humans back to humans in a 2nd, but you are and the elephant protection initiative. after all, you just mentioned the ivory. what is the scale of killing of elephant? what was the scan of this commodities trading? the scale is astonishing. the situation in the area for elephants today, it is probably the might be about $400.00, maybe 30 in a small forest left near bending. but when you see what successive european powers took out of bending for hundreds and hundreds of years, a single dutch ship that was sailing down the bending river to amsterdam in the 18th century, had more ivory on it, probably much more ivory than there are elephants in nigeria today and this would have been a journey replicated thousands of times. the great west african hides were destroyed primarily by european demand over hundreds of years between the 15th and 1900 century. we're going to make it clear that when we talk about benito, we're not talking about the country of been in this is in jerry or if anyone's watching and confused used to go to an atlas. why do you think it is? then when you went to school, certainly when i went to school, none of this story was there about i mean, not even really the transit, i think, slave trade, let alone the great civilizations of africa. i feel an important part of why our understanding has changed on the, on issues of, of colonial art. but i guess on the slave trade as well is, is the composition of all societies. and if you look at the kinds of crowds that are milling the streets around, bloomsbury around the british museum in the center of london, they are very, very different to the sorts of crowds it will be walking through london in the 1940s or fifties, let alone the 18 nineties and so in situations like the british museum, you will have to phase where i was. i saw him. so he much more recently. i mean, this gets get on to when i did i, we've kind of shocked me that, you know, we've had liberal interventionism libya, af, canister, syria. and you talk about one of the most famous oriental is seen as an anti colonial person. richard burton and others who ironically prepares the way for thee should i call it savage, british empire, a destruction of society in beneath niger. richard burton had an extraordinary career and one of his last name roles is that he's, he's a console on the, on the island of fernando po, which is, which is today equitorial guinea. and so he has a responsibility for that knowledge of delta coast. just at the time when british control is starting and you're right, he makes a trip to bending at that time some 30 years before the invasion by the british. i mean, he helps implant an image of bending which is dug up very successfully some 35 years later by the british, which is the bending is a place of sovereignty. it is a, it is a degenerate civilization. is it a place that has decayed that may have been great in the past? and i think that that lays the foundations for the justification of what happens later. absolutely. the big story, i mean we have jeffrey robinson qsc about his book of the organ. marbles is, of course, whether the british museum should return them. the british museum says it has an excellent long term working relationship with the jury and colleagues and so on. why do you think britain is refusing to return? some of the particular bidding bronze is located in the collection in bloomsbury. the 1st option is, as you know, different institutions in britain that have different rules. are the rob, small, university museums, local authority, museums, and so on. which is saying, actually they're quite open to the idea of returning that ben bronze is the british news in like any big institution, it is full of people who don't necessarily agree with each other. and perhaps if i went into this project, thinking of the british museum as a, you know, a large, an arrow going monolithic establishment that never changed. i think i've come away with a slightly more nuanced image of, of an institution that doesn't, that, that is divided that particularly right now at the time of the pandemic fields on the back foot, financially reluctant to take on the british government. and of course, remember the political context, the british museum, is constrained by something called an act of 1963, which makes it impossible for it to hand over to d, accession for ever. objects needs collections without a change in the law. now, of course, laws can change them and to change along with morality and ethics and laws have changed over national law collections over not see looted. are they changed over human body parts? indeed, so the british museum can get, can disposal or hand over those items. and so, you know, in theory they could be putting pressure on the government to change the museum act of $963.00. but if you look at this conservative government, we've got in the u. k. at the moment with the secure majority in parliament. i don't think that changing the museum act so that national collections can be de accessions and returned to countries like nigeria is part of its cultural agenda. very quickly. the range of the book is so big, so, so new on 7, you talk about the british drug dealing in china and where mary ross and one is words in the royal navy g. do you think that beneath massacre which might have come up in history books in the 900 eighty's when the british soldiers were killed? is kind of that generations saddam's incubator in saddam hussein's w m. d. the. these kinds of captures of material and regime change and so needs a massacre to catalyze it. to be honest, this is what is so fascinating about passing it is you can read it still 125 years later in lots of different ways. vice council james phillips, a man to, i'm not related by the way, is killed on route to been in city with 6 of the british officials and traders, and indeed hundreds

u. s. would have lift the travel restrictions on the u . k, but that never happened. and since march of 2020, the u. s. has barred nearly all non us citizen who have been in the u. k. within the last 14 days from entering the country. and now c e o is from some of the largest trans atlantic airlines are calling on the u. s. and the u. k. governments to ease a travel restrictions and reopen travel between the countries that have been closed for almost 16 months. now, because of the pandemic. international travel, as we all know, is fundamental to global economic activity. so safely reinstating trans atlantic service would send an important signal to the entire world. i think it's the 1st time since we're to that we've had such limited movements. so been devastating, but we have a great opportunity to get back in the year and we would urge present biden and prime minister johnson to seize the initiative this week. we can set the pace for international travel, you know, 2 countries, low prevalence of infection, high vaccination rates, low risk. we've got to go for the asian was the leading industry, i

u. s. and u. k. really need i think after that more than turbulent trump years. yeah. the renewal of the vows was something that was needed. that also was supposed to send a signal to the world that not only basically the united states is back, but the trans atlantic alliance of stance firm to tackle the global challenges. and i think it was yeah, it was a kind of symbolic gesture that is supposed to enhance to western credibility. ok, and renewing of the vows after the turbulent trump years. you want to stay with us . i want to play a clip of how prime minister boris johnson described the u. s. u k relationship after his meeting with violence and then get your take it. so it's a relationship. go to the deeper meaningful, like he knew that whatever was the, the indestructible relationship. it's a, it's a relationship that has endured for a very long time and has been an important part of peace and prosperity, both in, in europe and around the world. but also very positive, but are there any lingering doubts about us democracy? yes, i think especially if you're asked th

u. s. u. k, australia, new zealand. major films, big, big, big films, representation of muslims. and the results were expected, but still shocking. tell us more. yeah, it was, it was definitely expected. so we did this research project with the ford foundation and the annenberg inclusion center at the university of southern california. and the actor resentment, and really the purpose of the study was because there was no real data on what representation and muslims looked like on film and television. and while we expected the results to not be good, i think we were still really dismayed. and in some facets, really shocked by what we saw the we expected that the representation of muslims on film and television would be abysmal. but we didn't expect it to be as completely erased. and that the nuance then the diversity of muslims to be completely erased from popular culture. so i think that for us, it was a really, it was, it was a really difficult thing to see because once a result started to come out, we really started to understand why and how these attitudes towards muslims around the world we're starting to shape. because as we know, popular culture of film and television don't just confirmed by it is and sometimes they create viruses. and so this data was really, really instrumental for us to recognize. and also the data was important for us to then show hollywood and say, there is a real problem here. we need to change this. and the numbers absolutely confirm it . i think it kind of really confirmed a lot of muslims knew, growing up, which was representation, has always been really terrible of muslims. but we're now with the hard data in front of us. we could actually start to move hollywood studios, film studio, and someone like resentment who is but his star power behind this, i think were incredibly excited about what could come. but the results were definitely incredibly disheartening. so i picked up. yeah, i mean, i think it's funny, it's like i was a little less surprised. it's kind of like water is wet. you know, the news not and especially, you know, as a black person, you know, go backwards in general. right. i know hollywood rock, right. we're, we're never there in our complexity and as of last month on the same thing, right. i think, you know, like you said abysmal, right? for most of them general and even more so for them to arm africans, is that right? i think we see most on black muslims, sometimes they show up right in the hollywood film. sometimes like trader those kind of films right. where they're kind of a bit of a terrorist. but we're not really sure. or they'll be like in black film or black media and they'll be the kind of, you know, kind of militant person, right? kind of like that type of thing, but not, but not the full range, right? not folks from all parts of the country, all parts of the world end up in the us who are black. so i was pretty like, yeah, again, was that word? well, you know, but you know, one of the things we know we need, you do do the data, right? because we're going to be like, but what about this? i saw this one thing one time ago. oh your tell janet you already knew this because you are making comedy. i was the lack of representation. not a lack reputation, but the terrible stereotypes in tribes. yeah, absolutely. i mean, i, i didn't speak on behalf of be in my artist community or like something we don't know. you know, it's, it's disheartening to see the, the facts and figures. i mean, we knew we know they're terrible because we read, we read tricks all the time. the edition all the time, we know, but also i'm very hopeful i'm hopeful because of my community. i'm hopeful because we are creating so many incredible new stories. and authentic storytelling is really what i'm passionate about. and what hollywood seems to have kept him to now . and yeah, i mean, there is, there are so many more stories and more communities that we need to tap into, especially within muslims, in general. i mean, it's a massive community and we were just, we haven't even scratched the surface yet. partially, there was one stop that really brought how why representation is so important. how many, how many kids shows have muslim representation in the muslim in them or an animation with a muslim in the, in the whole of north america. how many kid shows that would be 0. what none. know, none. that's outrageous. i would have said there's probably one maybe or i don't know, sesame street or whatever, but none not. no. i think that you're right there. there was a lot that came out of this study that was disheartening and that we sort of knew. but when you have something like that, we've seen the importance of telling of animation and kid television shows in sort of helping shape children. i have nieces and nephews and i've watched mo honor about like a 1000 times point, you know, and so you can see the important that these depictions have on the psyche of children and the fact that there were absolutely none was incredibly disheartening . it's also really scary and i think that those types of the testing i think were really important to pull out from the study to be able to then hold for because i think you're right is that i would have, i wouldn't have get 0. yeah. but the fact that it is 0, we have a real, real big problem that you know? yes. so as you go 1st and then i will make our med wait for you to finish. what is the point? you know, it's interesting how we think of time. things get better, you know, as you go forward, back to the archives recently. and there was an episode of the show that used to be on the cartoon network called the proud family. and there was the most, remember the station in that right. and this is probably in the ninety's or something like that. but i think the point here is that it wasn't great, but it was full of problems, right? so i think we want to. so now it's like ok, so they were 0. we want more than 0. well, we don't want something that's just been a, you know, create, like in this one it was like the girl or a scarf. and those rama on everyone's like why is she doing that? is she hi, is this young very well where it wasn't really helping hash tag, not even water. that's an in joke that i'm not going to explain to anybody. he's not muslim. alright, here my laptop. reason ahmed. the importance of representation. if you're a kid, you want to see another muslim tied to was, encourages in your kid shows, this is what he had to say about the data on the survey. the know couple of things . did you stand out to me, surprise, the one was that was totally absent from animation. there were no with the characters in any of these talk to you on the film. i love animation so and that's really impacting kids and how they see themselves and when they're rendered invisible and all of luke of characters, the obstacle, they face all at home with family problems. a lot of the time, rather than see with them, clark is out there trying to save world one say, which is anyone else know, couple of things again as one of the things that people are doing within the industry is actually creating their own art. if the problem the gatekeepers, then how do you get around the gatekeepers? what did you do? jetta? well, i mean, i'm a writer and a creator because i started out an actor and i very quickly realized, oh gosh, it's rough here. i mean, especially for people of color. i mean, the breakdowns we're getting are, are so and i can speak muslim breakdown for characters or just as i med spoke about, you know, one dimensional lack nuanced depth and just don't feel like human beings. and we're all human beings here, right? so it leave you feeling kind of got it and feeling like, well, i'm an artist and i have a story to tell. and i think to say, well how can i do that? i really think, you know, we need the opportunities that, you know, the gatekeepers. it's difficult because the hierarchy go, it becomes a really high budget base of let's say, that white men. and, and, you know, if we talk about authentic storytelling, i think it's really, really important that the videos that producers, they trust, they trust our teeth and they trust our ability to tell our own story. we know our community, we know our families are friends. we know ourselves and we know that there's an audience for the story. so if they're smart, you know, they'll make money if they just trust up. and that's really, you know, it has it on screen. it's not enough. it needs to go way path, but it needs to go. there needs to be way more producers, studio executive production companies and writers in the writers room. because once it's already on actors, you know, han, ready to edition, it's too late. the problematic story has already been written and what we've seen is they're often riddled with orientalist, really problematic awful portrayals of muslims which are just not even true. and quite frankly, we're sick of it and it's not welcome anymore. and i, i want to add to that, like, i think the myth here too is that there is no audience for this. that's, i think one of the biggest lies that we've been told that there is no audio type of content. there absolutely is an audience for this type of content. people are actually very hungry for this content. and i think that there are absolutely opportunities to support artist and support created and exactly that to support them, not just in front of the screen, but the support them behind the screen because that's how change actually happens. and so i really, i really think that that's how they've been able to hold. sure. so many part of down there, your work is just not, you know, white audiences just don't care about it, right? i want to get one more voice. if i, if i may get one another voice, this is a mom and she's talking about this new way of working around the gatekeepers and how that is needed have listened to her and then i'll ask you more about that. so let me think about obstacles and barriers for muslim filmmakers in the industry . it really is about getting into the door. we have so many stories to tell with such strong backgrounds and authentic real stories, but giving me the opportunity to get into that door to direct, to write, to produce has been the biggest challenge in the industry. and so these initiatives that they've been having to bring in more muslim filmmakers more produce or more writers has been really, really great. and getting the most, some story out there. and we can't get discount independent filmmakers because still makers have to get there start from somewhere. and as muslim filmmakers, it's very strong and independent field to where we are telling our own story on our own terms and being supported by our communities. yeah, you know, i think it's that, you know, i'm reminded of the film, jerry maguire, show me the money. and that's kind of part of what i think about this too. right. so this is idea that hollywood, like, like they said, you know, the stories are there, the audience is there. right. but you can't get greenwood and this is what needs to happen. and so really the invitation now for people in the hollywood for the white men, hollywood, right to sort of become accomplices and show us the money. put money behind. right? to support the kind of work that is already there. right? because because one of the things that we're going to do, what we do, we're going to do anyway, like jenna, she's already doing it right. well, like she said, you can be a part of it. like you, like you don't have to give up on. you can be a part of it, right. and so that's the opportunity, right. and i think, i think there's, i think we see like people of color sort of doing their own things. right. so like able to, renee right, can hands on. so you, people doing different types of things, right? that's what a push the forward. but i think there's a responsibility where we really have to sort of come go to the white men and say, hey, you know, the time is now put, put the, put your money where your mouth it. i have to have to bring up this question from some youtube business from maya. i'm going to put this one to you. jenna representation is needed, but we shouldn't do at the expense of islamic values. i wish we could see or thank moving characters, human and who actually enjoy being was there. i know this question you take i mean, of course, of course we want to see humans. we want to see a variety of stories, right? i mean people are complex and different, right? i mean, we want to, we want to see that too. i don't, i think we have to differentiate between like, when we say we want to storytelling, like yeah, i want, i want to of religious muslim person to, to tell us story beautifully. i will watch it if the characters are real and authentic and fully fleshed out, i mean, but i think we also have to be careful. this is a massive community, right. and we all have varying degrees. different. we come from different experiences. there is no one way to be a muslim, i mean, and i think the media, us the media if you want to much. so how you believing that there is that there's like one look. and i'll give you an example like something i'm often told by white casting directors and people in the media. i've often almost lost job by thing. you don't look middle eastern and enough and i'm like personal. i don't know what the term lease term, but i won't get into that. well, what does that mean? and just like doctor was saying, we have black muslims, we have muslims from south asia from north africa for, i mean, it's such a big community. so we can't, we can't really prescribe one experience to every, to all of those billions of people. right. so i think it's more about supporting creators. i have been there. yeah, of course, of course, go ahead to want to think i'm going to respond to that too. cuz i think, you know, part of it is a lot of pressure, right? because you don't get a lot of stuff. and so people want the one thing to do everything, you know, like for example, i really enjoyed the film that came out one night in miami, which had to most character, if you say no, no toilet already. yeah. right. but not, not where it was here, but just the idea that i felt i, i enjoyed the movie and i enjoyed the fact that we saw personal by the both of the people who are like be moving large figures right. but there were other, there were like, wait a minute, knock over it and do at home and they wouldn't do that, right? because it's all the pressure. but really what we need is we need like why people have 25 different people and 20 different different time and 20 different places doing different thing the enemy we need all of that. i think that's the answer audience i have to show you the blue point, the blueprints and listen inclusion recommendations for film industry professionals . so cause if not only did your organization come out with, these are the staff, they are terrible. but this is what we can do about it. i feel like this is, is more important than knowing how bad the representation is, the blueprint, what is in the blueprint, what an easy to follow. ways to solve the representation issue of muslims in film. yeah, well i mean, i think it's really important to recognize that we didn't, we knew that the data was going to be really bad. we needed to make sure that there were some action attached to it. and there are some recommendations and sort of the highest level recommendations which we're working with duty to talk about as like the 1st one is this idea around like terror tropes, the data around how muslims were associated with violence was obviously incredibly high. and so the idea that we're really pushing forward is for studios to sunset, terror tropes. i think that's an easy way to start to really diversify and change the way the muslims are being represented on screen. and in particularly in the way that they're being very harmful, these representations are incredibly harmful. so we're asking studios and we're working with 30 at the sunset, those tear tropes. i think that's incredibly important. the 2nd thing is as doctor, so i said it's really, really important for lots of muslims to be able to be on, be able to tell their story, being hollywood. and so we're working with studios to get deals like 1st look, deals with muslim creative. that's critical, that's absolutely critical. and it's important because it allows a diverse community to tell an array of different stories, like to go back to that last question. we sort of completely believe there is no one way to be muslim. there is no sort of one authentic way to be muslim, but we do believe in the diversity in the complexity of the muslim identity and being able to talk about being with him is really, really important. and so we're really working with, with these studios to be able to actually try to implement some of these changes. and then the last part about all of that. but i think is really important is we announced the launching of the pillars, fellowship, the artist fellowship, which were incredibly excited about in partnership with resentment, left handed production company. that's i think, you know, going to be game changing. we are offering unrestricted funding to artist and creators to be and we're working with an array of advisors. i'm using the list there were oh, so excited to have marshal. i have rami you serve them, marshal out some like so many. oh my goodness. so many people i'm all trying to really get to this gatekeeper issue, trying to basically mentor support and financially support these artists. i think that's going to be what is going to be really game changing. i guess i just want to take your temperature, your mood right now for how positive you are feeling. let's start with an extra voice. interact, conversation. this is christian, he's feeling quite foolish about the way forward. have a listen. look. the inclusion initial report confirms with scholars like jack shaheen. evelyn awful tanny and may tell us on i've shown for a long time that of muslims are portrayed on screen is usually in a negative light. however, i'm optimistic about the future of most, some storytelling on screen. for one, we have great independent muslim cinema. we have filmmakers like nature mean. susan uses moses. i eat or bus and park, or making dynamic and beautiful profiles and muslims. we also have access to international film from us majority countries, places like turkey, indonesia, pakistan, streaming on netflix for western audiences to, to see 1st hand jenna. how's the mood right now about your place in the industry? yes, i mean, like i said, i choose hope, right? i choose to be hopeful, i still think we have a very long way to go. filming tv and theater, being in new york after i can say theater. i'm a long way to go. but we, we, we have, you know, there's just so much to be done. i mean, and we really have to, like i said, trust muslim storytellers and creators and give them the opportunity. you know what, i personally, i, someone who is born and raised in this country, you know, in new jersey, i want to be more representations of muslims that are, that are not foreign and don't speak a different language. i mean, those are wonderful to but i want to see more just like muslims of the part of communities and you know, their, their identity is, is, is 2nd to life what they're doing here. i want to see more of those portrayals who are how optimistic can you at this point? yeah, well, you know, i'm black in america, so i'm moving on here. how are you feeling? oh, i'm glad we can off. i'm not saying that. go ahead. i wasn't done. okay, so i mean, i've been just, generally speaking, i think i think that there's a lot opportunity but as i feel battle, and i'm really interested in seeing how we represent like how we represent ourselves like so for example, how most from one ethnic, whatever background represent other backgrounds because one of the things that i be concerned about is how we can reproduce some of the tro. right? so i feel like i'm excited for what's happening and i want to keep keep our feet to the fire so that we keep producing stuff that's, you know, really kind of representative touch of. i've got 30 seconds to wrap up the show. if you have the last guy had, i'll just say that i don't think it's a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic amount about being determined. and i think we have the infrastructure as muslim communities in the u. s. for the 1st time to really have resources to really hold people accountable. and that's what we really plan to do is to hold people accountable. when they say they're going to do something, make sure that they do something. and that's what kind of gives me that hope in moving forward with all of this work. thank you for joining us on the, on the screen. cause have thought. and jenna, you may remember that dealt to sue. i've said, we've all white people want regarding listening representation. may i recommend to you a serious code lady parts indefinitely diverse in so many ways we're going to play out with it because it's our new fan favorite here on the screen that's watching everybody. see you next time. that's config capricorn, finishing the ph. d and microbiology. this is lady a confused mix of hash salad. go how i found in move play something i don't. my india has been devastated by the covey. 19 pandemic. the one i want to make the front line work risking their lives to treat