u.n. samantha powers says it's likely that an s a eleven was actually used pacifically to down the malaysian airliner and the international community she says cannot rule out that russian training or help for separatists in eastern ukraine was involved in shooting down the plane now on many western council members also said that the ukrainian separatists have shot down several planes in recent days which establishes their record and capability of activity the ukrainian ambassador told the council that he believes the separatists the anti keep separatists are armed with two missile systems capable of shooting down a plane such as the malaysian airlines plane we saw come crashing down he insists that his government has evidence to back up the claim that the u.n. security council has expressed its condolences to the families of the plane crash victims and has also called for a full sorrow an independent international investigation into the crash that claimed the lives of two hundred ninety eight innocent people the council's also urging all parties in ukraine to grant investigators access to th

president spoke people began comparing the president's words to those of the ambassador to the u.n., samantha power. she really took russia on. told them to stop this war right now. the president, not so much. >> she was making a much more direct case before the u.n. security council, the president much more cautious. this is a president who was burned by drawing a red line on syria and not following through. so he was tip toeing around vladimir putin's responsibility, whether there was direct responsibility, even though u.s. intelligence as well as ambassador samantha power suggesting a lot more russian culpability here, and the president specifically took a potential u.s. military action off the table in tomorrows of dealing with the crisis and seemed to put the onus on european allies who should step up. >> this should snap everybody's heads to attention, and make sure that we don't have time for propaganda, don't have time for games. we need to know exactly what happened. >> he was talking about making sure the investigation is as international as possible, to make sure evidence notice ta

u.n. samantha power. in terms of pinning responsibility on the russians. the president in his comments took u.s. military action off the table. listen. >> we don't see a u.s. military role beyond what we've already been doing in working with our nato partners and some of the baltic states, giving them reassurance that is we are prepared to do whatever it required. >> what's required in terms of the nato charter. so defending nato allies, if any are attacked but not any offensive u.s. military action. as you mentioned, the twin crises. the president noting he was on the phone earlier today with benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister urging restraint as we see the israeli offensive into gaza. >> republicans don't seem to be too pleased that the president was fundraising yesterday in the middle of these crises. >> that's right. the border crisis, the president not going to the border himself. doing a series of fundraisers in texas. last night it was fundraisers in new york city. you have republicans like john mccain saying what he's doing right now is

u.n. samantha power made it very clear that u.s. officials believe that russia is ultimately accountable for the downing of mh17 even if it wasn't russian personnel who actually pulled the trigger on that missile system. here is ambassador power. >> while it may take us some time to firmly establish who shot down a plane filled with innocents, most council members and most members of the international community have been warning for months about the devastation that would come in russia did not stop what it starred. if it did not rein in what it unleashed. >> reporter: now those were strong words but action is a very different thing in the u.n. security council. purely because russia itself is one of five members that has the power of veto over any resolution. now we are still waiting at this moment. eric, we can perhaps take a live look at the u.n. security council chamber. we're still waiting for t ukrainian ambassador to speak. ukraine, remember, has said that it at this meeting will present what it calls evidence of russian invo

u.n. samantha power delivered a forceful indictment against russia, and the russian-backed separatists believed to have fired the missile that brought down that plane. >> this appalling attack occurred in the context of a crisis that has been fueled by russian support for separatists through arms, weapons, and training, and by the russian failure to follow through on its commitments and by its failure to adhere to the fundamental principles of the u.n. charter. this war can be ended. russia can end this war. russia must end this war. >> nbc's jim maceda joins us from moscow. jim, what are the reactions? >> reporter: hi, joy. well, if you've survived putin-ism this long as an official, i guess you could say you know how to take one for the gipper. putin reacted angrily to the latest wave of u.s. sanctions. it was during a meeting, and all this was taped of course, during a meeting with his prime minister. in every single cutaway, he was aping the facial expression of his boss. it didn't matter if it was anger or joy or nostalgia. he had it all exactly at the same moment that putin did. pretty mu

u.n. samantha power saying on the floor of the u.n. that there is a possibility that russian separatists wouldn't have the skill to operate this missile system on their own. that they would need russian helped to do it. that's an alarming charge because that takes it a step further. it's not just that russia is indirectly responsible for this by aiding and abetting the rebels and providing the circumstances for the rebels to control so much territory in eastern ukraine but the accusation of direct russian involvement in firing the missile that took down the plane, that is a dramatic accusation. we're not there yet but u.s. officials saying they are looking into that that clearly with samantha power's comments. >> a bold statement to be sure. we just did get a piece of new information in. there have been a lot of questions about whether americans were on board this flight, mh-17. this is what we now know. that no passengers checked in using u.s. passports. no passengers checked in using u.s. passports. the united states now looking furt

u.n. samantha power and her russian counterpart vitaly churkin but surprisingly this time it had nothing to do with ukraine or syria or even iran rather it was all about the controversial russian band pussy riot r d's marina port why it takes a look at their tit for tat exchange. the russian and american ambassadors to the united nations usually keep their negotiations and debates within the chambers of the world body headquarters however a tit for tat between the two diplomats is currently playing out in the public domain sparked by something written in the pages of a glossy magazine the august issue of vanity fair features an article on samantha power in which she strikes a bit of a verbal job against her russian counterpart here's the context the reporter says he reminded miss power that ambassador vitaly churkin jokingly asked her if she'd join the russian punk group pussy riot after she met with the two famous band members and bassett her power says she told mr churkin that their first concert stop on tour would be where russia holds its political prisoners though regrettably she can't

u.n. samantha power says it's likely that a surface to air missile was used to down the malaysian airliner as a result she insists that the international community cannot rule out that russia trained or assisted the ukrainian separatists in shooting down the plane many western council members also said that rebels in eastern ukraine have shot down several planes in the area in recent days which establishes their record and capability of activity the ukrainian ambassador to the u.n. told the council that he believes the separatists in the eastern part of his country are armed with two missile systems that would be capable of shooting. down the malaysian airlines plane he insists his government has evidence to back up the claim the un security council expressed its condolences to the families of the plane crash victims of the children ninety eight people on the malaysian flight to kuala lumpur from amsterdam u.n. officials say eighty more children. are new york. now with the plane crash taking the attention since mid thursday kira's ongoing crackdown in eastern ukraine has gone largely unnot

u.n. samantha power joined the president and pentagon saying the plane was likely from a missile launched from eastern ukraine. she made the case that the confusion is likely intentional. >> on july 14th, separatists claim credit for the downing of a cargo plane flying at 6 thourk meters. on july 16th they claim credit for the downing of a ukrainian fighter jet. if indeed russian backed separatists were behind this attack on a civilian airliner, they and a their backers would have good reason to cover up evidence of their crime. >> joining me on the phone from k kiev jim miklaszewski. david, given you are in the region, i will get right to the question, anymore information about investigators getting kicked out of the crash site? >> well, remember, this crash site is in an area controlled by the rebels. this is an active combat zone. the insurgency has been going on zil since early april. this is not a pleasant environment. the rebels were hindering the rescue effort it is a more complicated situation because they have some access and have a plan to remove victims where they are setting u

u.n. samantha power. and the u.n. under-secretary general. >> good afternoon. thes 00 and 20 meeting of security council will come to order. a middle east including the palestinians. the agenda is adopted. on the council's provision, we provide the representative of israel to participate in this meeting. it is so decided. i follows that the observer and the palestine provisional rules and procedure. it is decided. >> in accordance with the council's provisional rules, under-secretary general for political affairs, it is so decided. security council will now begin its consideration on item two of the agenda. >> mr. president, as we meet today, intensification of violence and the united nations was trying so hard to head off to become the reality in and around gaza. this is all the more dismaying as it comes so soon after signs of hope had emerged. egyptically, attempts by to broker a cease-fire followed by the united nations brokering a humanitarian pause. for five hours, a temporary cease-fire mostly respected by our parties allowed civilians in gaza to resume

ambassador to the u.n, samantha powers, took aim at the russians saying the resolution passed would not even have been necessary if the russians had put pressure on the separatists to let investigators in, in the first place. that remark drew a rebuke from russia's u.n. ambassador who says they are working behind the scenes to move the investigation forward. >> and if that's the fact and the american embassy should be better informed and indeed there's no need to turn the discussion of a tragedy into a farce. >> reporter: now the u.n. resolution also calls for those in the area where this plane came down not to tamper with the evidence. not to tamper with the crash debris but already it's a little late for that it seems. john. >> lisa stark reporting. >>> a train carrying the victims' remains is on its way to kharkiv. scott heidler has that. >> the remains are in these refrigerated train carriages. after itselfing for more than 30 hours, they finally left terez. bound for kharkiv. the first step in getting these bodies from the crash scene to their families. another team of internationa

u.n. samantha powell warned of a possible cover-up by those responsible. >> on july 14 separatists claimed credit for the downing of a cargo plane flieg at 6,000 meters. on july 1 they claimed credit for the downing of a ukrainian fighter jet. if russian-backed separatists were behind the attack on a civilian airliner they and their backers would have good reason to cover up evidence of their crime. >> greg are, are you concerned about the possibility of a cover-up? after all, we are not sure of the location of the black boxes. >> absolutely. if you look at where the planes went down there is territory controlled by the separatists. they are on the ground. some believe they might have had the black boxes and taken them to russia now. impeding because it is a dangerous area. impeding others that would come in. the investigation to look to find out the truth. i am concerned. just by the geographical fact of where the plane has landed. i'm glad the u.n. and the nations there have been meeting and talking. that puts additional pressure on putin in the separatists are running to russia. >> i ha

u.n. samantha power going a little bit further, saying overall responsibility for the tragedy lies with russiaause of the technical complexity of the sa-11, it is unlikely that the separatist its could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. thus we can not rule out technical assistance from russian personnel in operating the systems. >> the real question here is what this event will do to facts on the ground. on one hand you have president obama and president putin of russia both calling for immediate cease-fire. that is tough in this kind of climate where passions anger white hot after this tragedy. dave, lori, back to you. lori: steve harrigan. from kiev to the white house let's go to peter barnes. peter, the latest? >> hey, lori. wall street and investors are following every word out of the white house on the situation in the ukraine as well as the israeli invasion into gaza. they are worried about sanctions on russia and escalation of these conflicts. the president met this afternoon with his two point men on russian sanctions, treasury secretary ja

. >> i thought this ambassador to the u.n., samantha power was strong today. >> my understanding fromnside the state department is it was coordinated. that she gave a statement that really is where the rest of the country is we all understand who was responsible for this while the president was, i guess, leading from behind again. but it's trying to have the best of both worlds through two different statements. this is a kind of fine calibration of rhetoric that means nothing internationally. >> ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> and developing right now israeli forces pushing deeper and deeper into gaza. a live report from gaza city is next. plus, the border crisis exploding across america. hundreds of immigration protests planned in cities >>> this is a fox news alert. right now heavy missile strikes in gaza, israeli troops intensifying their assault on hamas. fox news correspondent john huddy live in gaza city with the latest. john? >> well, greta, there was just a heavy missile strike right around the corner from right behind our location, in fact. both of us dropped to

u.n. samantha power much tougher than president obama in blaming russia for the dramatic escalation of violence in ukraine. time for our sunday group, syndicated columnist, george will. julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. and former ceo of hewlett-packard. dworg, what do you think of president obama's response to the airline shoot down and the aftermath his continued refusal to provide military assistance to the ukrainians and to impose any new sanctions on the russians. >> when the plane was first shot down the first reaction it marked a tleesh hold in international anarchy. the russian insurgents brought do you some 33,000 feet a commercial aircraft. but there's no meaningful sense, chris, in which these insurgents are nonstate actors. they are appendages of the russian government supplied by them and directed by them. so in that sense there's a gap between the president's rhetoric and what is reasonable to infer about this. the president's reaction is what we need is a cease-fire. what we sneed lethal aid for the ukraines to win the war. >> julie, as some of our e

. >> i thought this ambassador to the u.n., samantha power was strong today. >> my understanding fromthe state department is it was coordinated. that she gave a statement that really is where the rest of the country is we all understand who was responsible for this while the president was, i guess, leading from behind again. but it's trying to have the best of both worlds through two different statements. this is a kind of fine calibration of rhetoric that means nothing internationally. >> ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> and developing right now israeli deeper and deeper into gaza. a live report from gaza city is next. plus, the border crisis exploding across america. hundreds of immigration protests planned in cities across the country. the latest coming up. we fill our freshly baked flatbread, with bold, unflat flavors. like taste inspired by the freshness of the mediterranean. so you always get flavor that's anything but flat. new flatbread sandwiches, try one today. been all fun and games, here at the harrison household. but one dark, stormy evening... she needed a go

u.n. samantha power.o the familys and friends of the victims it is impossible to find words to express our condolences. >> reporter: heartfelt, but so inadequate. the tributes laid outside malaysian and dutch embassies. so telling this one in moscow. it says, forgive us. >president obama: evidence indicates the plane was shot down by a missile from inside of ukraine >> reporter: the incident has escalated u.s. russia animosity. president obama: we know that these separatists have received support from russia. this includes arms and training. it includes heavy weapons. and it includes anti-aircraft weapons. >> russian president vladimir putin held the u.s. backed ukranian government responsible. this blame game at the highest levels is a potentially dangerous extension of the nasty regional conflict in the ukraine. in march, russia annexed crimea, a chunk of the ukraine where a lot of ethnic russians liveed and got away with it. then moscow pushed on, supporting the separatist rebels in the eastern ukraine

ambassador to the u u.n., samantha power going a step further saying there is evidence that russia would have needed to help these pro-russian rebel to launch a missile like this. president obama said russia is response for the circumstances in eastern ukraine. the fact that the pro-russian rebels are running around. but some senior american officials going a step further to say this shootdown of this passenger jet likely would have involved russian support. that is a very alarming charge to make. >> richard quest, i want to be precise now in the fate of the two black boxes, the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder. earlier there were some indications maybe the russians now had them. but you spoke to a ukrainian minister who said they are in ukraine but it's clearly still a question where in ukraine, who has authority. be precise. what do we know? >> i'm glad you're asking for that precision, because i kept forcing the economy minister to say what did he mean. he was requoting the foreign minister who had said in an interview in ukraine that the black boxes were still on ukra

u.n. samantha power stressed the need to keep the pressure on russia and to begin the investigation quickly. >> we have a duty to each and every one of those individuals. their families. and their countries to determine why that jet fell out of the sky and to hold the perpetrators accountable. we must stop at nothing to bring those responsible to justice. >> and there is, of course, another major story that we are following today. that's israel's ground invasion of gaza. targeting the terror group hamas. it comes after a brief humanitarian cease-fire ended and efforts to negotiate a long-term truce failed. president obama just moments ago expressed support for israel. >> no nation should accept rockets being fired into its borders or terrorists tunnelling into its territory. the united states and our friends and allies are deeply concerned about the risks of further escalation and the loss of more innocent life. >> we will be covering both of these big stories. but first, the very latest an the investigation into the malaysia airlines flight 17 which claimed the lives of 298 innocent civili

u.n. samantha power accusing russia in engaging in a zero sum game with the west over the crisis in ukrainekpit of the clashed malaysian airliner has reportedly been sawed in half for some reason by the pro-russian separatists who control the ground there. the black boxes from that plane are going to britain to be an analyzed. the european foreign ministers met to start edging toward new sanction to try to make russia control the separatists, to allow the investigation to go forward, and not incidentally to stop the war in that region. joining us, nina khrushcheva. she's also, i should mention, the granddaughter of former soviet premier nikita khrushchev. the u.s. has been willing to go further in that regard than the europeans so far. in the europeans because of this disaster decide that they are going to take a much harder line, how will that affect russia's behavior? >> well, i think, i hope they do because so far we only heard the sanctions are going to be against, again, individual people, but not against various sectors of russian economy which i think that should go, if not further.

u.n. ambassador, samantha powers, and here's what she had to say. >> as we stared at the passenger list yesterday, we looked at three of the passenger's names, the capital i. and that stands for infants. to the families and friends of the victims, it is impossible to find words to express our condolences. we can only commit that you that we will not rest until we find out what happened. >> and obviously, a very somber speech there from samantha powers, and there's in fact condemnation coming from around the world, as you can imagine, about the downing of this jetliner. we heard earlier today from the malaysian transport minister, here's what he had to say. >> should it be confirmed, it will be against international law and an outrage against human decency. malaysia condemns it in the strongest possible terms and calls for them to be brought to justice. >> now, the international civil aviation organization, has offered to put together an international team of investigators, and this is probably critical, because there are so many sides to this conflict of course, and folks who have aligned themsel

u.n. ambassador samantha powers sent out this tweet.an-backed separatists attacks versus sue vain. 6/13 downed tans port plane. 6/24, downed helicopter. there was another downed aircraft episode that's been on a lot of people's minds this past week. one with some erie perils to the story we're now following. back in 1983, at the height of the cold war. >> i'm roger mudd, nbc news, washington. the united states today accused the soviet union of shooting down a korean airlines jumbo jet carrying 269, including a congressman and perhaps 30 other americans. there are not thought to be any survivors. the airline was on a flight from anchorage, alaska, to seoul, south korea. the plane wandered off course and wandered into soviet air space. >> it was blown out of the sky at a high altitude much like mh-17 and in 1978, two soviet fighter jets intercepted a plane and fired the plane after the pilot did not respond and was forced to make an emergency landing. two passengers were killed in that incident. in 1988, there was also another incident, a

u.n. ambassador samantha power was a lot tougher on putin than the president. think the president really is trying to say to putin, you know, come home prodigal son, if you will, to give him a chance to make this right. this is a horrendous, horrendous incident. and the blood is on his hands. so what will the president do? probably all three of those things. he's not going to stop raising money for the november elections. >> yeah, there will be some a, a lot of c, but it should be b as well. the ukrainian government should crush this insurgency and reach out to the east, which does not support this russian-based insurgency. >> what's the best case for russian separatists? >> thebest case, it seems to me here, from the point of view of -- my judgment, russia, he's got to back off from what he's been doing to some extent. this undercuts whatever moral ground, whatever political ground he has, at least in the west. so there's going to be a much tougher response to him. he's got to know that. i agree that we have to give him some limited way to step down, but not t

u.n. ambassador samantha power speaking today at the u.n. security council basically laying all of the blame for this disaster at russia's feet in no uncertain terms. president obama today at a press conference at the white house basically did exactly the same thing. >> over the last several weeks, russian-backed separatists have shot down a ukrainian transport plane and a ukrainian helicopter and they claimed responsible er shooting down a ukrainian fighter jet. moreover, we know these separatists have received a steady flow of support from russia. this includes arms and training. it includes heavy weapons. and it includes anti-aircraft weapons. set aside what's happened with respect to the malaysian airlines, a group of separatists can't shoot down military transport planes, or they claim, shoot down fighter jets, without sophisticated equipment and sophisticated training, and that is coming from russia. >> and that is coming from russia. and that is why russia is doing everything it can to try to change the narrative. make vladimir putin

u.n. >> samantha power speaking in the last few moments in new york. same with the u.s.oint, the plane likely came down because of a missile fired from an sa-11 missile battery likely operated by pro-russian separatists in eastern ukraine. the battery she suggested would require some technical skill to operate and she made it pretty clear in her statements that the u.s. expects a clean investigation, full cooperation by the russians and others to allow international investigators to determine exactly what happened. up till this point, without knowing exactly what happened, it is pretty clear the u.s. believes russia bear some responsibility. take a listen. >> it may take us some time to firmly establish who shot down the plane filled with innocence, most council members and members of the international community have been warning for months about the devastation that would come if russia did not stop what it started. if it did not rein in what it unleashed. the endent on to say at of her comments, russia can into this war, putting more pressure back ann wagner posco or f

u.n. samantha power, said their separatist in the area who boast about shooting down the plane. the russian ambassador to the u.n. blame the u.s. for escalating tension in ukraine here at they said ukraine should have alerted the aviation of malaysianers and ukrainian representatives. his portion is about 40 minutes. -- this portion is about 40 minutes. >> thank you, mr. president. theerday we were shocked by downing of polish airlines flight 17. malaysia airlines flight 17. as we steer the passenger list, we sought next to the passenger names the capital i that stands for infant. to the family and friends of the victims, it is impossible to find words to express our condolences. we can only commit to you that we will not rest until we find out what happened. and unimpededble international investigation must begin immediately. the perpetrators must be brought to justice. beon us -- and they must not sheltered by any member state of the united nations. let me share with you our assessment of the evidence so far. we assessed malaysia airlines flight 17 carrying these 298 people fr

in statements by samantha power, the u.s. ambassador to the u.n>> separatists claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane and posted videos that are now being connected to the malaysian airlines crash. separatists also boasted about shooting down a plane but later deleted these mess ashes. >> and according to the independent fax news agency, russian president vladimir putin put the blame directly on the claim. saying the state whose this happened bears the responsibility for the tragedy. this tragedy would thought have happened had there been peace in this land if hostility has not resumed in the southeast of ukraine. addressing the issue, president obama took the issue directly to putin. >> we no that her heavily armed and they are trained. and that is not happening because of support. a group of separatists can't shoot down military transport planes, or they claim down shoot down fighter jets without sophisticated equipment and sophisticated training. and that is coming from russia. >> president obama also called for an i

u.n. samantha power said the jet was likely downed by a surface-to-air missile. and she said there's evidence the missile was fired by separatists loyal to russia. her remarks are up next on c-span, followed by statements from the ambassadors from ussia, ukraine and malaysia. >> thank you plrks president. yesterday we were all shocked by the downing of malaysian airlines flight 17. all 298 people aboard, 283 passengers and 15 crew, were killed. as we stared at the passenger list yesterday, we saw next to three of the passengers' names a capital i. as we now know, the letter i stands for infant. to the families and friends of the victims, it is impossible to find words to express our condolences. we can only commit to you that we will not rest until we find out what happened. a full, credible and unimpeded international investigation must begin immediately. the perpetrators must be brought to justice. they must not be sheltered by any member state of the united nations. let me share with you our assessment of the evidence so far. we assess malaysian airlines fligh

u.n. samantha power, said there were separatists in the area who boasted about shooting down the plane. the russian ambassador to the u.n. blamed the u.s. for escalating the tension in ukraine and said ukraine should have alerted the aviation industry about the dangers of the area. other speakers at the session included the malaysian and ukrainian representatives. this portion is about 40 minutes. >> thank you mr. president. yesterday we were all shocked by the downing of malaysian airlines flight 17. all 298 people aboard, 283 passengers and 15 crew, were killed. as we stared at the passenger list yesterday, we saw next to three of the passengers' names, capital i. as we now know the letter i stands for infants. to the families and friends of the victims, it is impossible to find words to express our condolences. we can only commit to you that we will not rest until we find out what happened. a full, credible, and unimpeded international investigation must begin immediately. the perpetrators must be brought to justice. they must not be sheltered by any member state of the united nations

u.n. ambassador samantha power also spoke. she said today's resolution wouldn't even be necessary if russia would tell the separatists to let the investigators in. the russian ambassador took umbrage to that. he says russia is working behind the scene to make sure the investigation can move forward. >> translator: and if that's the fact the american embassy should be better informed. indeed there's no need to turn the discussion of a tragedy into a farce. >> now the resolution passed by the united nations today also calls on those in the area not to disturb the evidence, not to disturb the debris field there. but as we've heard from other reports tony that seems far too late for that. clearly there have been wreckage moved and other things tampered with at the investigation site. >> the integrity of that scene has just been botched and lisa stark for us. lisa thanks. earlier i talked with hannah thoburn. i asked her if international pressure would convince russian president vladimir putin to interfere in eastern ukraine. >> i

ambassador to the u.n., samantha power ,-com,-com ma took part in the meeting. here is the part of what she had to say. >> yesterday we were all shocked by the downing of galatian airline flights 17. all 290 people aboard, 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed. as we stared at the passenger list yesterday, we saw next to three of the passenger namesake i. as we now know, the letter i stand for it to. -- incident. to the families and transit debit comes, it is impossible to find words to express our lives. we can only commit to you that we will not rest until we find out what happened. a full credible and unimpeded international investigation must begin immediately. the perpetrators must be brought to justice. they must not be sheltered by any member state of the united nations. let me share with you our assessment of the evidence so far. we assess malaysian airlines flight of the team carried these 219 a people from amsterdam to quell a lump or was likely downed by a service to air missile, and sa 11 operated from a separate location in eastern ukraine. the air

u.n. ambassador samantha power said russia must end this war. it's not just the u.s., britain, germany demanding russia stop stop sending weapons over the border. chancellor merkel spoke with putin by phone. everyone's got strong words here. you mentioned economic sanctions. what specifically -- what specific actions should be taken if russia does not comply? >> i'd say three things. first of all, this is going to have to be led by americans. europeans have enormous business interests in russia they have been unwillling to sacrifice to stop when vladimir putin took over one-fifth of ukraine. we're going to have to be the leader in this realm. we need to make sure the ukrainians have what they need it, training, intelligence, equipment all the things they need to fight against the continued incursion into the ukraine and finally, i'd say this. whatever the president says he's going to do, we have to do it. we can't just do what we did in iraq or syria and say here's a red line, you can't cross it. we've got to be prepared to actually execute thos

u.n. ambassador rice samantha power putting a line in the sand today that there needs to be a credible international investigation on the ground, they need access to the crash site, which has already potentially been compromised, evidence perhaps tampered with. questions about what that investigation will result in. at a minimum, certainly asking for the russians not to interfere. questions about where those black boxes are going and who is in possession of them right now. >> peter cook, thank you for the update. coming up, we will speak with ryan chilcote in ukraine. he is on the ground in kiev. he spoke with the ukrainian prime minister. ♪ >> welcome back to "bloomberg west." i'm emily chang. back to our top story, the crashing of malaysian flight 17. a global data services company has offered some data about the flight. with me in the studio. joining me from houston is the ceo of flightaware. happened, weis were looking at the l2 at the time, -- altitude at the time that it disappeared. are you working with investigators, are they asking you for information? of requestsad a lot for this informati