very different from the uganda that we know today which is very much part peace consciousness open for business and some of the scars associated with those crimes that was committed by the coined back again are not apparent today so there was clearly a distinction between what the video was about which is stock entire stock in the past as opposed to what the true reality is where on the ground so this this distinction was not clearly identified and besides the video did not go to extreme lengths to actually show what uganda was like especially with those victims how many of them have actually grown up many of them are teenagers many of them are young adults the regional states hold especially in northern uganda has changed fundamentally people don't live in kansas anymore and of course the the law the warlord in self does have cornered him self he's his movements and his whereabouts are clearly are known so the video didn't get a holistic approach in terms of tackling the ugandan issue and more so i think it failed to look at some of the sensitivities associated with the victims becaus

heated debate this time of the controversial documentary kony twenty twelve exposing bloodshed in uganda. to keep. a low in welcome across peter lavelle invisible children are very visible truths i began to the documentary film. and is child soldiers and warlord joseph kony has engendered very strong reactions and is the film about the suffering of children or a well and preparing public opinion. western military adventure in a foreign country. to cross not because i need two thousand and twelve campaign i'm joined by our you johnson in london he is director at viewpoint africa and in award winning journalist and african affairs in paris we go to julie alone oh she is head of the africa desk at internet without borders and in washington we go to jendayi frazier she is a distinguished service professor at carnegie mellon university hines college and department of social in decision sciences all right folks this is cross-legged means you can jump in anytime you want i often go to you first in london what was your reaction to this documentary because i watched it very carefully twice actual

not clearly identified and besides the video did not go to extreme lengths to actually show what uganda was like especially with those victims how many of them have actually grown up many of them are teenagers many of them are young adults the reason i say it's hold especially in northern uganda has changed fundamentally people don't live in kansas anymore and of course the the law the war lauding self because of coins of his his movements and his whereabouts are clearly unknown so the video didn't get a holistic approach in terms of tackling me and uganda issue and more so i think you fail to look at some of the sensitivities associated with the victims because you're using i want to get. to that issue about agency and in the thinking there jenny if i go to view in washington why do you think this film came out now i mean it's very odd i mean you know it's already well known that this footage is what altered least a decade what is the and why did two thousand and twelve and can activism end this great tragedy when we don't we just heard that most of the tragic events betrayed in the do

another one is the resolve group also on uganda and they hope for the congo that they raise rates so protocol and will get another one all funded by the intelligence sector by the center for american progress and john print a graph is the intelligence director in one thousand nine hundred six he was an intelligence operative in the national security council for him jefferson clinton at the very time that we were invading the congo from uganda and they could have eliminated going then when we were spending all the he won thirty american military on the ground in uganda in one thousand nine hundred six for the invasion of the congo and since nine hundred ninety we've been supporting the sudan people's liberation army so greatly in sudan and you see these guys from enough sorry for me because it will still be funny when i get there it's like and here is that you seem to be saying that the u.s. actually has no interest in finding tony capturing hony. and that this is sort of just a distraction found connected to the u.s. government and the intelligence community and i getting that right

coney twenty twelve social media campaign to show the world the suffering and violence going on in uganda there are other groups that are already helping the young people and can do more and it's a it's a daily take sabi reagan and zombie thatcher are on the hunt right into the wallets of the middle class lou protect ourselves these money only monsters. in the us to the rest of the news need jim yong kim a korean born physician who's devoted his life to improving health care around the world he was formerly the chair of the department of global health and social medicine at harvard medical school and co-founder of the organization partners in health currently kim is the president of dartmouth college but he's about to get a major promotion on friday obama announced that kim is president obama's nominee to be the next head of the world bank so might the nomination of kim a man whose work in medicine and not finance mean a new direction for the world bank deborah james joins me now she's the director of international programs of the washington d.c. based center for equal. and policy researc

to get involved in libya i was sorry in uganda and yeah. you know president obama has already sent troops and this film the goal of this film is to try to get more talk a little bit about that i mean do you think there is in fact a u.s. interest. most definitely i mean it's no coincidence that just a couple of years ago all the oil was discovered in uganda but also a key component of this is the demo excuse me the people's republic of china and this has to do with the entire world concepts at the moment for example the u.s. is very interested in knocking down the syrian government very interested in nothing down the iranian government after syria syria is basically the domino they have to take out to get to iran but the u.s. if you look at obama he's really talking more and more about the u.s. being a pacific power which means after syria iran and you can go for china you know possibly russia as well in their final showdown because if they want to europe or the world they want this world to continue but china has a lot of contracts in afric

there's a lot of talk of what joseph kony may have done in uganda uganda.ome were kissing hacking the limbs, truly horrific. some are saying he may not even be in uganda. where might he be? >> he's definitely not in northern uganda. while the powerful message has been put out, some say it's simplistic and loses some of the key facts in the issue. one of the key facts is he's not in northern uganda. the lra fled uganda some six years ago, to east and central african republic. that's where they are, operating there, in south sudan, and they're hankering down in the forest, hiding from ugandan and u.s. forces. and in many ways, erin. >> i can understand why so many ugandan government are upset with that, but is this newfound fame, the fact that this video has gone viral now, going to help find kony or not? >> good question. a lot of people are approximating, wondering if 60 million odd people know now who he is, is he going to use it to his advantage and try to gather people around him and push back? or is it going to make him easier to catch? >> i think neith

else in uganda. well you're not going to be able to do that, right? so as long as we don't think it's going straight to the uganda military, again there i would say you got to have allies in the region. >> definitely. i agree with that as well. now the third criticism about. similar policivity of the the--simplicity of the film is fascinating. the civil war that happened in uganda is very complex. the ugandan military has been accused of human rights abuses. the government has been accused of human rights abuses. whose side are you on and it's a simplicity aapproach to approach to let's take down joseph kony, will the lra go away? that's like saying getting rid of osama bin laden and all the problems go away. >> it reminds me when the republicans would make excuses for not getting bin laden. oh we're not concerned about him. he's one guy. well he started 9/11. it seems like it was effective. go get joseph kony. on the other hand, sometimes you get piece deals in these--peace deals in these areas if y

joseph kony right now is no longer in uganda.e is no longer in sudan but in the democratic republic of congo. i agree on that. and on the video what i didn't like about it on what i saw they're still concluding uganda and suppose to be focus more in the congo is where the -- the issue still continuing there instead of -- and also to what horror all the people who have been effected in northern uganda. these children or the people like to make them go back to home and start their own life. and i didn't see that on the video. and i wonder what it is all about? what is our interest in to see in northern uganda right now is to see the people. they are getting back into their normal life. and i want to see, like, more school and hospital built for those people who have been suffering for so many years. >> evelyn i have to ask you on a personal note as a survivor of joseph kony i'm not sure if you have spoken to other survivors since this film has been out. what sort of memories and feelings does this stir for you when you see it on so

she's live from uganda.ised there's no delay here. >> right, and we could talk to you forever. >> i was too. i was wait for the delay, and it never happened. did you ever see the little girl hopscotch video? >> yes, we did. >> wasn't that so cute? it's so interesting here, because you draw a little hopscotch on the ground, and they're like, oh, good, let's play. they are the most precious children you can ever imagine. >> we can't wait to hear more about it when you get back. have a safe trip home. >> i know and i think there's a good bit of my videos online that you can check out. >> appreciate it. >> that was cool to be able to talk to donna from africa this morning. gives you a unique perspective on what's happening in other parts of the world. sometimes real focus on the local surroundings, and it's great to be able to talk to donna there. all right, weatherwise around the country, same setup as yesterday. you get east of the mississippi river, it feels like summer. out into the mountains, and it feels l

tonight, in search of the real story on the ground, we'll have a report from uganda. >>> and love letters, a side of richard nixon we've never seen before, the romantic side, madly in love with the woman who later became the first lady. in love with the woman who later became the first lady. "nightly news" begins now. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> and good evening tonight from our london bureau. the world woke up to terrible news from afghanistan where a u.s. army sergeant apparently went on a solo rampage and killed over a dozen afghan civilians including children outside of kandahar. beyond the horror of the loss of life and the initial shock of the news, beyond even the immediate threat of reprisals, this news has now led even more americans to question the mission itself. what america is still doing there and what long ago became our longest war. we talked to the british prime minister about it here in london today. but first here tonight, we have two reports, beginning with nbc news pentagon correspondent, jim miklaszewski. jim, good evening. >> reporter: good eve

the clearest case is uganda. we have similar moments in places like congo, zimbabwe congo, zimbabwe, not so explicit and organize but singers, politicians, talk about aids. not merely about the disease ravaging yes but the underlying causes of sexual behavior you see extraordinary declines. >> host: that seems like a cheap intervention. you mentioned colonialism. expansion of european countries sub-saharan africa and created for the hiv epidemic to live and not die out to put critical of the early 2000. the response of the west to hiv. you're not suggesting year ps of others had never gone and more maybe you are? where we should not be part of the solution but you do and somewhat negatively. on the heels and seemingly one that works and what should we take from that? >> it is hard as an american to proceed mess the weathers perceive us. it was a revelation when i moved there as a foreign correspondent people could not the more wonderful to less. at every level of south africa and the government politics it is har

the ngo who best commodifies white man's burden on the african continent and more specifically in uganda invisible children would when they recently struck again with a new video and campaign titled coney two thousand and twelve well i understand that this video is going to something like fifty million views yeah well over that you know. in private and the kid in it is not justin bieber but the child and it is not just. for those like parents. exactly and now the point is they're asking for the population of america to force obama to send more troops to well to send troops to uganda. time magazine makes this inconvenient point they say the u.s. military african command afrikan has deployed its assets against tony since at least two thousand and eight a fact that goes conveniently on bench and in invisible children's video and max yes why is africa always such a burden to us white people because they go resources that us like people want it back so our debt uganda's oil could be gift that becomes a curse that was only four or five months ago in the new york times lo and behold uganda's oi

. >> he is the leader of an army that has terrorized uganda forcing thousands of girls to become sex slaves and young boys to kill. behind the movie is called invisible children. >> we want him captured and alive for the trial as an international criminal court. >> the film urged viewers to call, e-mail, tweet, 32 policymakers. the idea so to create a celebrity army to enlist more supporters and it worked. video was posted on u-tube monday, then tuesday filmmakers say the oprah effect clicked in and then the clicks skyrocketed passing 25 million mark sweeping past 38 million today. >> just a half an hour of your life, watch the video. >> 4% of all treats was about kony's crime. >> i'm aware of it. >> this movie is not without critics. some say the guerilla army is still dangerous but no longer terrorizing uganda and they have 100 special forces. and they are raising questions about the faith based group behind the movie and whether the money is going directly to the children of uganda. >> we do spend money on our films and we are proud of that. we are not ashamed of that. >> his miss

our journalist from uganda.ou. >>> uganda, of course, isn't the only place where women and children have been victimized like war criminals like joseph kony. the video has brought new attention to what really is a worldwide issue. not everyone thinks it's helpful. chairman for unhcr has been working for years with the organization on the worldwide battle to save lives. nice to have you on the show this morning. let's first take a look at a graphic. it really has some startling information that you actually provided to us. according to unhcr, of the 43 million refugees in the world, approximately 33 million are under protection of the united nations refugee agency in some form. 80% of those refugees are women and children. charity, tell us, why are women and children at a much higher risk here? >> well, thanks for having me, randi. i mean, you know, it's almost actually almost 34 million refugees are under the care of the unhcr. we suspect that about half of them are children. so when there's forced displacement

military advisers to uganda in opt. they were sent to capture kony. david, i know you've spent time there, there's a lot of talk about what joseph kony may have done in uganda, some of those acts, hacking the limbs, are truly horrific. some say he may not even still be in uganda. where are you hearing he may be? >> that's a great point. certainly, he's definitely not in northern uganda and while this powerful and simple message has been put out to millions, some say it's simplistic and loses some of the key facts in this issue. one is that he's not in northern uganda, the lords resistance army and joseph kony fled six years ago, into south sudan as well as eastern drc. they're hunkering down in the forest. hiding from ugandan and u.s. forces. >> given that, this sort of paints the whole country with that brush, but is this newfound fame, the fact this video has gone drye viral now, going to help find kony or not? >> good question. a lot of people are wondering, if 60 million odd people are wondering who he is, is he going to use this to his advantage?

. >> the night i first met jacob, hern uganda hat he and other children in northern uganda were living through. >> reporter: the online film shows a ugandan boy's fight for survival. >> reporter: the 30-minute story is designed to raise awa ri reporter: the 30-minute story is designed to raise awareness of the alleged war crimes of joseph kony, the rebel leader of the lord's resistance army, or l.r.a., in uganda. he's accused of kidnapping as many as 30,000 children in the past 26 years. >> turning the girls into sex slaves and the boys into child s ldiers. and he forces them to kill their -basedrents. >> reporter: a san diego-based charity called invisible children produced the video. it went online monday. the charity's web site asked viewers to message 20 celebrities to get them to spread the word about the film. oprah winfrey, ellen degeneres r d ryan seacrest mentioned the ceboaign to their millions of followers on twitter and facebook. lindsey turentine is the editor in chief of the technology web site cnet. >> they've been really smart about targeting a set of people, and the ce

the b is really important and it was very important in certain african countries, uganda to name one so explain that because i think a lot of people that are somewhat informed think that the president was obsessed with abstinence and those that were supportive of he and the first lady were possessed even though they are a christian evangelical background but in fact it was the b, to be faithful, that you argue is responsible for the decline which was on the uptick. people got scared. the president started speaking and there is the serious decline, not because of abstinence and not because of a condom. talk about the b. it's a really important part of your book. >> guest: one of the most amazing factors in the aids story is for a disease that is fed predominantly by sex, lots of people don't want to talk about sexual behavior. if it was almost anything else you can think of, sneezing or shaking hands whatever, it was clear that was the transmission and there would be a lot of clear-eyed studies of how that behavior related to the efficiency of the spread of whatever the pathogen was.

in uganda the thirty thousand children that have been abducted over the years boys turned into child soldiers girls turned into sex slaves and the film calls on people to support invisible children to donate thirty dollars get a kit with the bracelets stickers posters all included and it tells the earth to participate in a day of action on april twentieth to spread the word hang up those posters and stickers all over the world and the endgame here is to have arrested this year two thousand and twelve brought to the international criminal court and for the u.s. to keep one hundred military advisors that were deployed last year there to help it happen but there's a lot of critique out there a lot of people should learn consider before they donate so let's take a little bit deeper into this not so with me is christopher chambers author of the blog turner's revenge and lecture at georgetown university chris thanks so much for joining us tonight. for starters before we get into the details here the history or this organization thirty nine million views on you tube it's only been up there

i was talking about uganda and your contacts with ugandan legislators and influential people in uganda who claim their relationship with american conservatives such as yourself, fellowship, is how they came up with the kill the gays bill. that's why i'm asking you. >> i don't know anything about it and the individuals you're talking about, i don't know -- i do know doug, and i can't think of a greater injustice being done to any great person than what's been done to him. >> i'd be happy to talk to him if he returns my calls. we've tried to contact him a number of times on this issue and he won't talk. >> that sounds good. >> let's ask you one question so we can agree on something. >> did you like the chapter about the igloo my daughter wrote? >> it was a funny anecdote. the fact your family calls you pop eye. >> i remember when my granddaughter came over to the country, i think this might be in the book, said, popeye, why don't you understand global warming? i went back and checked. she was in a public school. everything came from the environmental protection agency brainwashing my gra

muestra como una de sus protagonistas,1 niÑo de uganda, mientras que su hermana no contÓ con la mismaa su ejÉrcito rebelde. >> cony no es un nombre familiar para la mayorÍa de personas en el mundo. por eso la intenciÓn de los realizadores del documental es hacer que su nombre y su cara se conozcan para que este hombre pague por sus crÍmenes. utiliza una conversaciÓn con su hijo para describirlo. le cuenta que hay un hombre malo que hay que parar. >> ese es el hombre malo? >> si. >> el lÍder explotÓ como una bomba en internet. ha sido visto alrededor del mundo mÁs de 40 millones de veces. >> donde la gente se estÁ conectando, pero tenemos que ir mÁs allá. celebridades del cine, el mundo de la mÚsica, invitaron a ver el vÍdeo. el documental puesto en internet busca que sea capturado y se evite que siga cometiendo mÁs a crÍmenes atroces. >> la organizaciÓn del cineasta ha sido cuestionado por algunos, que dicen que el dinero recaudado por la campaÑa no es fiscalizado pÚblicamente. >> el propÓsito es llevar a la justicia. >> vamos a hacer una pausa. en instantes, por quÉ dos niÑos viviero

y uganda is not in conflict.tability and security. >> cnn international correspondent david mckenzie is joining us on the phone from kenya. david, obviously two very different pictures painted of uganda. one of rape and murder. joseph kony. and the other one from its leader saying this is one of the top places in the world to visit. how do we make sense of what is taking place in uganda now? >> well, i think you have to just look at the timing, suzanne. the kony 2012 campaign deals with history more than the present when it comes to uganda. that's kind of why the prime minister and others have been so incensed by the video. wee just gotten back from a uganda business meeting with policymakers and they are scratching their head wondering why all the fuss right now. even in 2006 it was a safe country relatively speaking. joseph kony has moved on to other countries in the region, and then some say that it gloss ov glosses over that fact. some who support the campaign, they say it doesn't matter where they end up, th

in uganda he's accused of turning tens of thousands of girls into sex slaves and boys into soldiers. >> we need to teach him what justice looks like. we need to love him into the hague behind bars so he can face justice. >> reporter: people aren't just watching. they're taking action. 16-year-old caroline cavidge organized friends at her los angeles high school to raise awareness and money. about $4,000 so far. >> i don't know what it was. but there's something about their tears and their voices that i just couldn't stand. >> reporter: the 29-minute video and the activism it's created does have its critics. >> the main people are filmmakers. and as to the people with business backgrounds, it's not clear they're the best equipped to help out with international relief. >> reporter: and are they equipped to handle the large amounts of charity money that's been pouring in? experts agree raising awareness is good but the problems in uganda are complex and there won't be an easy fix. in los angeles craig melvin, nbc news. >>> up next, how a 41-year-old woman just became a member of the bil

uganda and congo are right next to each other, but uganda has almost no gold production of its own.n 2007, uganda produced about $500 worth. but in the same year, it exported $75 million in gold. almost all of that is coming from the war zone. >> how much? >> maximum... >> we took a hidden camera into a trader called jit. we offered gold for sale, and we were clear it came from congo. >> he bought our gold. and we got a hold of internal ugandan records that list 228 international shipments by jit and many others. u.n. investigators say most of it is gold from congo relabeled as a product of uganda. after kampala, it heads to refiners in dubai and then out into the world. no one can say how much of the world market is fed by congo gold. the best estimates are around 1%, so it's not likely any particular watch or wedding ring contributed to rape or murder. but we wondered how a consumer would know. matt runci represents retailers as head of the trade groups jewelers of america and the responsible jewelry council. does your certification mean, for example, the gold didn't come from con