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what do you think about ukraine? caller: i think ukraine is fighting for their freedom. we in america stood for freedom. we should back ukraine as long as they are being attacked by another country. i thought we stood for that. give me liberty or give me death. i think ukraine is doing a good job fighting for their freedom. host: do you think ukraine should give up land in exchange for peace? caller: no. no. host: how does the war end? does it just keep going? caller: russia should stop attacking them. russia started the work. russia should pack up and go back home. host: how do you get russia to do that? caller: you continue to fight them as long as they are being attacked. like if somebody came into your home and taking over your home. lay down your arms, i'm taking over your home. your life belongs to mina. -- your wife belongs to me now. host: let's see what pete has egseth said about the administration's approach. [video] >> we are at a critical moment. as the were approaches its third anniversary, our message is clear. the bloodshed must stop. this war must end. pr

we want ukraine to win this war or not? ukraine would like to go to negotiations, we need to be together with them and provide all the necessary help to them to be in a stronger position. because we see also the last stage that they are conducting a counteroffensive not only in lursky, but in the donetsk and lugansk region -- not only in kursk. and they are successful. it's a very thin line we are standing at the moment where there is the possibility for ukraine to be in a better position for these negotiations. christian: do you worry, as america steps away, that vladimir putin will test article v by taking a shot at a country like yours, estonia, and whether america would respond. do you think the risk of that kind of event has grown today, with the statement we have heard from pete hegseth? guest: he said very clearly that the u.s. will not go away from -- will not leave nato. that this is a very clear statement. christian: but, that not precisely what i am asking you. i am asking you whether you believe whether donald t

all allies and ukraine are united in their desire for peace in ukraine. we all agree that we need to put ukraine in the best possible position for negotiations. and we need a durable and lasting peace, not a minsk 3. so we had an excellent set of discussions focused on the urgent work ahead. when it comes to keeping our deterrence and defense strong, we endorsed robust defense plans drawn up by supreme allied commander general kavoli to protect our 1 billion people. to ensure we are fully ready to execute these plans, also in the future, we need more military capabilities, and for that we need significantly more defense spending. so there is no time to waste. our continued freedom and prosperity depend on it. defense spending is already growing. since 2014, european allies and canada have added more than $700 billion additional us dollars for defense. in 2024, nato allies in europe and canada invested $485 billion us dollars in defense, a 20% increase compared with 2023. with a full 2/3 of allies spending at least 2% of their gdp on defense. but we need t

people of ukraine. however, they've been reacting to the events of the past 24 hours. a lot of head scratching people just not understanding what it is that you put in. and trump have agreed if they've agreed anything a tool. i don't see a fear of being sold down the river. that is obviously alone. we have all these years of this will, that is being the main for you that some points western countries will lose interest. and ukraine side is too difficult to expensive and give up. we spoke some just ordering people to hit and key of on the streets today. let's have a list to a website. so for captain, we're sure i think they're pulling the plug on us to realize there's a band and, and you train, which is the moon. it's as simple as that. you had shipped out to you from what i've read about the potential deal, and there's none of what we need in their showed them today about them as of yet. what was your seed? i'm horrified by it all. they're selling us out. it's painful for values wireless it's those and

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ukraine out of the process. this map shows the extent of russian progress in the war, here in red, territory regained or held by ukraine, in purple. we are just days from the third anniversary of russia's full—scale invasion of ukraine. we'll have reaction to president trump's comments shortly, but first, here's our north america editor sarah smith. donald trump and vladimir putin — not friends exactly, certainly not allies, but able to work together. like at this summit in helsinki in 2018. mr trump seems to have a wary admiration for the russian strongman, and he says they enjoyed a long, productive phone call today, even promising to visit each other�*s countries. on social media, he posted... there have actually been over 100,000 deaths not millions. and he went on... thatjust raises so many questions. when there is so much hurt here, and there's so much funding that our people need. so although we have always been the country bailing everybody out, i think, at a certain point, we need to take a step back, a

on the phone this week and agree that talks to in the board and ukraine should begin immediately, ukraine's president was not on that call. in fact, it trump dialed up president zelinski after he had spoken with pro 10 were to add insult to injury. trump had this message for ukraine. joining nato is not going to happen. getting back territory taken by russia is unlikely, and security guarantees will have to come from europe. almost 3 years to the day when russia began its invasion, the world is asking, has the united states betrayed its ally ukraine? i bring the gulf in berlin. this is the day, the theatre, recall. but we want to end that were, that was a disaster pool. i'm not sure it's important that everything does not go according to pretends planned any deed. behind our backs we northward, returning to cranes, pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic objective. the trump, trump administration, has already made public concessions dependents in the phone that goes to asians. of even begun if that is a good buy, it's a piece and it has never worked properly. the wants to do everything to make h

the former act are observed tower and ukraine. and if he cancelled presidential elections in the country and to subsequently in the hands of democracy and ukraine was gone, let him are approved and knows, that's the end. it's off. so was the lensky, or at this point? absolutely. if you filed to go to most of us can, you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is illegitimate. he has no right to sign anything. but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the doc, and it's, this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. and there can't be a single slip. everything should be polished. but if there is a desire to negotiate and find compromise solutions, let anyone go see it there. naturally we will strive to achieve what suits us, which corresponds to our interest in terms of signing documents. everything should be done in such a way that lawyers confirm to

is not in the cards for ukraine.o the pre2014 borders, which would mean the recapture of the crimea is probably not in the cards either. but i don't think either of those things was something that ukraine could realistically expect as a result of this current conflict if ukraine is able to claw back from russia son-in-law if not most of the territory it took in recent conflict that that would be something that that country would have to go for and considered a satisfactory resolution to this war which has been so bloody for so long. >> bret: charles, going back to the tariffs question and modi's arriving. how do you think the fallout from all of those tariffs is going to play out on the eco economy? >> you know, if you look at tariffs, particularly over a longer period of time, two of the most amazing period of times in american history of prosperity, the mckinley era 36 year run of prosperity three components. evolving technology that american protected. tough immigration policies, and high tariffs. the roaring 20s,

what do you think about ukraine? caller: i think ukraine is fighting for their freedom. we in america stood for freedom. we should back ukraine as long as they are being attacked by another country. i thought we stood for that. give me liberty or give me death. i think ukraine is doing a good job fighting for their freedom. host: do you think ukraine should give up land in exchange for peace? caller: no. no. host: how does the war end? does it just keep going? caller: russia should stop attacking them. russia started the work. russia should pack up and go back home. host: how do you get russia to do that? caller: you continue to fight them as long as they are being attacked. like if somebody came into your home and taking over your home. lay down your arms, i'm taking over your home. your life belongs to mina. -- your wife belongs to me now. host: let's see what pete has egseth said about the administration's approach. [video] >> we are at a critical moment. as the were approaches its third anniversary, our message is clear. the bloodshed must stop. this war must end. pr

what about ukraine? after 9, a minute phone call between president trump and russian president vladimir putin. those 2 leaders agreed to meet and begin negotiations immediately to end the war and ukraine, but apparently, without ukraine's participation. interesting question. i think they have to make peace, that people have been killed and i think they have to make peace. i said that was not a good way to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i take while the russian and us leaders appear committed an owner, a way to put an end to the conflict and ukraine. there is your pin town supplies are upset, the word consults, a foreign ministers even held a meeting in paris. so highlight that their opinion matters and should be taken into account. there will be no just and lasting peace in ukraine without the europeans in paris. so i'm following codger colors. jose manuel out virus writers loud sikorsky, angelina barrow bach. david lemmy andrews qu bilious maria tree party. and andre cba tonigh

she said, but ukraine will resist and europe will continue to support ukraine in that. now that's something we did hear from a lot of countries as they came in to nato today. all of the countries who are strong supporters of ukraine, the nordic countries, the baltic states said, you know, they're just going to push on forward with continuing to provide weapons to ukraine . it to the maximum of their capabilities. because the point that europe wants to make, and even pete heck says, said this, is that ukraine should be in a strong position. you know, when it comes to the table and the european se, if it comes to the table. and you can't say that ukraine is in that strong military position right now. so i think the view of the european allies is, you know, we're just going to keep calm and carry on providing weapons to ukraine until president zaleski decides he doesn't need them anymore. exit said that native membership for ukraine would not be a realistic outcome. could ukraine then be given some form of a native of light protection instead of full membership as well? le

troops deployed to ukraine. to further enable effective diplomacy is and drive down energy prices that fund the rush arian war machine,-president trump is unleashing energy production and encouraging other nations to do the same. lower energy prices coupled with more effective enforcement of energy sanctions will help bring russia to the table. safeguarding european security must be an imperative for european members of nato. as part of this, europe must provide the overwhelming share of future lethal and nonlethal aid to ukraine. members of this contact group must meet the moment. this means donating more ammunition and equipment, leveraging comparative advantages, expanding your defense industrial base, and importantly, leveling with your citizens about the threat facing europe. part of this is speaking frankly with your people about how this threat can only be met by spending more on defense. 2% is not enough. president trump has called for 5%. and i agree. increasing your commitment to your own security is a

god bless the people of russia and ukraine. i myself just spoke to the president about these calls and he told me to tell all of you. they were very good cause they were very positive and the administration is wholeheartedly committed to a peace deal to end once in for all the russia ukraine war. and mike were starting to see more of the con tours of president trump's plan for peace and ukraine emerge . so tell us more about the call that trump held with russian president vladimir putin as well. once again, it was described as a very pleasant call. he was full of praise, fulls of russian president, saying that the russian president also once peace once to an end to the will with ukraine. but interestingly, trump did not mention the fact that to the us had agreed and was proposing that they'd be no return to the uh, prius, 2014 vote as old that ukraine should continue to reach full and they took membership. and i must just say this, some lines have come out of the white house and the last few minutes. uh, president trump has sai

these discussions will be that they can be no negotiation about ukraine without ukraine. our position is that ukraine, if he chooses to negotiate, should be negotiating from a position of strength and sweetness, quote, committed to make sure that ukraine has to have to be looked at. so europe and ministers and delegations had been meeting here in paris earlier this week for what they thought was a very important strategy session. only to realize that they were basically just holding the equivalent of a giant circle jerk corporate team building exercise. here is you frames for administer your seats. 60 roll ensure and justin comprehensive, almost in fees for security and beautifully on security. the reasonable, basically at this point from seas europe as an atm, fruits in c 0 as background noise. and they're already picking out the tables settings for their piece talks while europe is left standing outside that z i. p runs begging the bouncer to check the list again while they stand there trying to deal with ukraine's toddler tantrum. rushes foreign ministry spokeswoman ha

we want like you, a sovereign and prosperous ukraine. but we must start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic objective. chasing this, illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering headsets also said ukraine must abandon any idea of joining nato and that the us had no intention of sending tubes to the country to support any peace deal. earlier in the day, the native secretary general said the alliances members were increasing the defense spending to reach 2 percent of that g. d p. this home where your brain is on the battlefield. the stronger day will be as if you go straight to the table. the greater the chance of getting a good deal for the lasting piece this is know is also russian. besides trying targeting, keep on wednesday, the will shows no sign of letting up nature members the pushing ukraine to a pretty much your, the could you in bold in russia to expand its influence across europe? us president donald trump, once they to members to stop relying on us protection and

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troops in ukraine is unlikely. of ukraine membership in nato as a part of a negotiated settlement unlikely. i stand by the comments i made on that first day ukraine contact group. that is for all the press, it's difficult for them to understand that. we stand by the statement we made in reality about the status of u.s. forces or ukraine's involvement in nato, and the unlikely nature of that. host: our correspondent will vernon has more on that visit. will: at the news conference following those talks, pete hegseth said that he stood by those incendiary comments he made earlier in the week in brussels that it was unlikely that ukraine would join nato or go back to its pre-2014 borders. mr. hegseth said he was just being realistic. he said it was too early to define the framework, the terms of any peace negotiations. he said that would be up to president trump and not have. critics said that is exec lay what you have done by dismissing the prospect of nato membership or ukraine getting its land back, you have already

a very strong practice for ukraine. ukraine's future is in the need to nato is bigger and stronger. ukraine is closer to nathan membership than ever before. and as the brave ukraine continues to fight for the freedom, we stand by their sides. you know, from what we're seeing currently on the t up electrical front. things are shifting and actually made 2 chief during his speech was only admiring who 10 i have had many meetings with him between 201-2014 in my previous role. and he is a strong negotiator and he is free, unpredictable. but in the end, if you want to get to a piece deal, we need him there. nothing. we've seen a major shift in our as if from the u. s. in the past was 36 hours when it comes at to the ukraine conflict. what's being said, well, in reality it will seems like for us to side lining the hue and ukraine and k of has the right to worry about this because, and to worry the us is going to sidelines you creating it from any potential nice negotiations. because trump was actually off the land, if you create is going to have a new full foot in negotiations. and interesting que

clear as the money that was sent to ukraine, will the assistance that was sent to ukraine. and we, since he is, has been in connection with ukraine's will efforts. it was not, as donald trump would have had some form of loan, it was a grand match shop. the assistance was in military equipment. once again, a trump putting a dollar finger on this assistance over the last few years. but looking at this already using the pension of what the us plan is for a negotiated solution. he has already, uh, president trump rolled out you credit and getting back any territory until before 2014. he has also ruled out as president trump. any ideas that you claim might have of starting nato. this would be normally part of the negotiation. here you have the us presenting itself as an honest broker in these talks, or really assessing the terms for any c spy or any agreement between russia and ukraine. terms that on the face of it exceedingly and favorable to ukraine. my how to thank you. or are you crazy? impressed as the minister lensky gave his nicely address, softer his phone call with dona

it was never agreed that the war in ukraine would end up with a native membership for ukraine. because year off to year, we've had on a numerous occasions, the complete opposite, especially from the full. my name's a chief stoughton band, the ukraine fusion. he's always said too crazy to life and may take less christmas that all us agree that there are trans future. it's in. they thought we all determined to make progress insulting this pulse its membership will be oh, that will be your friends ultimate security guarantee. it will ensure lost in peace and provide disability needed for reconstruction. press on savanski in our meeting, just law. you and i agree that all of these elements in nature promotes more funding. morton military support more security agreements. more input operability constitutes a breach to nato membership. on the very strong package for ukraine, ukraine's future is in the nato. nate the is bigger and stronger. ukraine is closer to nathan membership than ever before. and as the brave ukraine continues to fight for the freedom, we stand by their sides. fro

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this is because this is not just about ukraine. ukraine is central to european security, but this is about the very concept of american engagement in europe. what kind of an ally it's uses to be in the future? there's an awareness in we're getting back from the background thoughts as well. this is a, we'll see of what that means and concrete tons in terms of us withdrawal from europe and what impact that could have on relations, particularly with russia. does nato still pose the credible threat to russia? that's still, that's now an open question as well. so rather telling that students math is the one german leader who is going to the polls likely next sunset. because his concept is cdc is who is in the lead. stacy vance is meeting him. he's not meeting the sole source of democrats. so kind of holding it just round about 15 percent. so actually it seems in the focus towards who may become the future data on the side of the van is just donald trump says there might be a high level meeting in munich with senior russian officials. but the head of the municipality conferences, he's not

in 2022, vladimir putin once again took aggression toward ukraine -- ukraine, once again not in president trump's term. so any suggestion that president trump is negotiating from anything other than a position of strength is on its face false. when you look at what he may have to give or take, what's in or out in those negotiations, we have the perfect dealmaker at the table from a position of strength to deal with both vladimir putin and zelenskyy, no one is going to get everything they want. understanding who committed the aggression in the first place, but i challenge anyone else to think of a world leader at this moment with credibility and strength to bring those two leaders to the table and forge a durable peace that ultimately serves the interests of ukraine, stops the killing, and the death, which president trump has said he wants to do, and hopefully ultimately guaranteed by the strength of europeans. reporter: why not the nato piece keeping forces? mr. hegseth: i want to talk about something about nato membership not being part of the negotiations. that's something that was stat

or piece in ukraine, but why wasn't and ukraine on the call, and what about america's european allies direct go out to the kremlin? did trump hang off on everyone else? european leaders had been quick to say any deal to in the fighting in ukraine must include ukraine. any lasting piece will have to involve europe, european money, european weapons, to, to night a showdown between transaction, trump and americans, european friends. they want to have their say, trump wants them to pony up and pay. i'm for golf in berlin. this is the day, the in washington. there was a new sheriff in town. i don't see that the us has already made plan. a hail ukraine would, we can europe, but it was also reconfigured night. it states that alternative to the inclination. ok, we'll wait lawyer and the new american administration has a different will view to us. one with no regard for established rules. the insulator and the threats that i worry, the most about piece of the europe is not russia. what i worry about is the threat from within also it coming up of what the us vice president said to a anger and g

to invest in ukraine for ukraine cervical, friction, and the, i mean, this one looks maybe crazy, but that's a buzz of parties. russia, we don't have money back from a, this is a visual. so is a central point, i guess. and then we have some financial power, 3 investing ukraine. so this is, it may be something which will be very surprising dot com, but what really happened because of the economic difficulties facing europe at this moment. i don't know to nicholas anita has proven to be unpredictable, but it's on down to play a low to the landscape. he thought it was a lensky when trump is public. a saying that he's okay with the russians. do loans against the ukraine's potential nato membership. and also i think that there are tons of pre 24 boulders is unlikely. how wouldn't zalinski be able to explain to the people of kids that don't have his top goals? i'm just not going to run that fast. so yeah, it is going to be very, very difficult for really situ explains these because different, but actually to be, to be honest, you know, it was really in boston, but from day one. so is it in

he was asked about whether he sees ukraine as an equal player in this peace process and he said ukraineeace, referring to the civilians who are dying in ukraine. what did you think of that? >> overall the events of today and the sequence, that first president trump called president putin and only then called president zelenskyy, specific statements about no nato, no troops, it sort of was expected but this is all perceived as sort of not quite a sellout of ukraine but definitely ukraine does not feel to be an equal partner. it feels ukraine is being talked at rather than talked with, so the mood is grim here. sumi: how does president zelenskyy see this himself? indeed the firm -- phone call first with president putin and then afterwards with him? >> zelenskyy continues to be a leader of ukraine, we have sovereignty. if the u.s. has nothing to offer in terms of guarantees, it is still for ukraine to decide what we do. our concern is really that russia is trying to play trumpet and has been succeeding at that because it looks like president trump has given up the key strategic positions i

this home were ukraine, theirs on the battlefield. the stronger day will be attending, go straight to the table. the greater the chance of getting a good deal for the lasting piece. this is bo, this of, to russian beside strike targets in key on wednesday, the wall shows no sign of legend go. nato members, the pushing ukraine to a premature deal could in boulder, russia to expand its influence across europe to us president donald trump wants today to members to stop relying on us protection and spent fine incentive that you did beyond defends and demand dismissed by germany and many your being countries as of its type with whether we see that tag of 3 percent or 3.5 percent is not the main issue. what method is, is a clear continuous increase in defense spending. i already left, as i often say, we need a security mixed will generation will plan something like one of them and shows are sustainable on long term investments and defense capability and the tier and until a few days ago they 2 and a you members were hoping they might convin

the enter in ukraine. uh i, i don't think that the situation in the international streets that can be um, denied. starks. pretend i full that now. all the leaders of the world will uh do what they say when us the, by the us position of not putting a murray can or any troops protected by nato as article 5 on the ground mark rotates. he didn't seem pleased about being questioned. he didn't give a clear answer as to how ukraine security guarantees are going to look. in fact, we can take a listen together to the actual words. it was you guys want to discuss in a press conference, the exact configuration of was a lasting peace deal to, to like include including this is your item based, the security guarantees which has to be part of that. because as i said before, you can have many discussions on how to do that. it could be nato, it could be not be nato, it could be an individual, comes just helping them any way. sure to get what's to go into that in detail. the only thing they will be doing is informing of lea

he's over in ukraine on the train. and there's a lot of things happening around that train that aren't so good. and he's going there to get a document done where we're going to be in a sure that we're gonna, in some form, get this money back because we're putting up far more money than europe. and europe isn't far more danger than we are. we have an ocean in between. europe has nothing in between. that's cost to might honda now in washington dc. first we might tell us more about this phone call with that in the future. what it appeared to be very warm. uh president trump is saying that the president booting is interesting and the interested in striking a deal interested in some form of seats by saying that he wants peace. so very clearly, trump opening a negotiation process as to the, with the russian president saying as well that he's going to be meeting the russian president face to face in the very near future. possibly, he says meeting in saudi arabia and denise the saudi crown prince. so this is now getting tracti

without ukraine. our position is that to ukraine. if he chooses to negotiate should be negotiating from a position of strength and sweetness, quote, committed to make sure that ukraine has to have the ability basically at this point from c 0 as an atm foods in c 0 as background noise. and they're already picking out the tables settings for their piece talks while europe is left standing outside that v. i p room thinking the balance or to check the list again while they stand there trying to deal with ukraine's toddler tantrum. will be early signs all the data on between moscow and washington have had an immediate impact on the markets. the russian stock exchange stores immediately after the call with the rouble also strengthening significantly including against the us dollar economist on political commentator, i k hummer, says he expects both russian and global businesses to reap the benefits of thawing tides as well. first i expect um that for the reason for this uh, uprising of the stock market and

ukraine don't boss. how much of an importance significantly will it be for global security if it is successful? well, this is a key point the, the west of wanted to warn, you know, to between trump, administration and pressure by such an unprecedented about, you know, as self into the so called the self in t uh, their infringement. but at the same time, we have seen quite a few cases historically, that 8 countries with one to 5 p and by, by entering to the, for the life of other countries. if they're fairly phone situated, i've been, you know, for us to go. so i think we should, you know, look at the history even though it is you and also what the, the agreements have been made and violated between the, you know, parties as all the have seen. what the u. s. have actually by least of what have seen a great or the means that's pretty much so. so of this house all have to continue to count with the, you know, assess the fios deal between the 2 countries. we have a lot of interesting points, raise their life

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. >> in ukraine. but how much. >> of a. >> role will ukraine. play in talks about its own future and sovereignty, if any? plus. >> kennedy is. >> not a doctor. he's not. >> a scientist. he's not a public health. >> expert. >> confirmation de robert f. kennedy jr. gaining key support. the vaccine skeptic now one step closer to becoming the head of health and human services and shrinking the workforce. mass firings have begun now across federal agencies as the trump administration gets a big win from a judge for its buyout program 5 a.m. here on the east coast. here is a live look at the washington monument, the white house. good morning everyone. i'm jim sciutto in for kasie hunt this week. great to have you with us. we begin with president trump declaring negotiations to end russia's ongoing invasion of ukraine will start immediately. it's not clear. he's not making it clear if ukraine will play a role. the president had a 90 minute phone call wednesday morning with the russian president, vladimir putin. he described it as highly productive. but

no troops in ukraine. on 2nd, the pre 2014 ukraine board is asked before the arctic station of crime. there are unrealistic objectives. what are the leave ridges is left in these negotiations? and i think as you know, that most people were shocked because, you know, trump had to go straight and book the heart of the deal. so it seemed like they laid out for things on the table that could have been incense of some sort of leverage with the russians. other ellis have said that this was a way to bring brush it to the table. but let's not forget, you know, this was a word choice by putting in ukraine and that ukrainian says pay to her wrist, take cost for this work in terms of keep the data civilians soldiers and destroying of the country. so does he just want to be seen as rewarding pollutants moved? there was the last, most flores are ended through some sort of piece negotiation. so i think that's the leverage issue is key. i mean, the us can have economic and military leverage that something that they can b

. ukraine. that's for sure. it to russian foreign policy interest as a change of the leadership in ukraine. that's what they want. and maybe they have drugs at this moment that's sitting at the table with the united states and or ukraine is the best way to get that. the western view, i have, people have to keep in mind. the western view is very different. we believe in compromise. so called a win win win situations. that's not how the russians see it. so the russians have calculated that the, the moment is right to go to the table to try to see what they want the 9th directory to mr. press cops, comments that in your introduction, there's not going to be a trade, for course, there's not going to be uh, a situation where russia has to give up what it has so illegally seized. and that's going to be a significant, significant obstacle to making a peace deal anytime soon. donald trump had previously said he could end the war in 24 hours, but to these kinds of things usually take a lot longer during

everything should be polished, but in accordance with the constitution of ukraine, the president of ukraine, even under martial law, does not have the right to extend his powers. only representative authorities have the right to extend their powers, which is only the right of the countries parliament. and the president only has a 5 year term, that's it, and nothing else. further, his powers are transferred to the chairman of the rata. but if there is a desire to negotiate and find compromise solutions, let anyone negotiate there. naturally, we will strive to achieve what suits us, which corresponds to our interest in terms of signing documents. everything should be done in such a way that lawyers confirm to us the legitimacy of those people who be authorized by the ukrainian state to sign in these agreements. so the next step, i know this would be the face to face meeting between donald trump and president page. and what do we know about it? when would it be? why would it take place? well, with much of the world, pretty politically charged over the ukraine conflict, obviously a potential me

so your necessarily united on it's how the war in ukraine on the future of ukraine . is it going to be a big test as being negotiations take place to? i think that there's been a lot of magical thinking in regard to ukraine. unfortunately, i've seen a lot of leaders say things that people want to hear and behind closed doors, people say at different things. so b, u has promised that ukraine will become a member. so that would be a very important development, i think. and because that the match of the europeans is we have to pay and we're never a player, but i think that they have stayed at many times. they want to create to become a member of the you. that would be an important starting point. but the big issue is europe's under spending, and there was never a strategy for the end of the war. it was almost like, let's just give you kind enough things to survive but not with. and this has been something that the europeans have been criticized for. there's never been really a plan to when there was a plan to just kind of carry on and people are forgetting things and the

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a dish for him is crucial to come to a deal on ukraine. so ukraine has to be in a strong position. and again, as i said before, it is crucial that when a deal is struck uh that the deal will not unwrap what we have seen in 2014. what happened placements. uh we thought that deal was there to stay additions uh boots and simply continued trying to grab pieces of, of ukraine. and then on the 2022, he started the full on slots late february 2022. we can never, ever have data again. so i'm absolutely puppies. i'm pro b storks. absolutely. um. but at the same time you have to make sure that fuck comes out of dose. dose is there to stay and that you create, then a safe. thank you so much. we'll meet again later today. but that was a nice, i secretary general, a mock route speaking there at the blogs defense minister meeting in brussels, very diplomatically. he said that they, they want to pace. they needed to be in, during between russia and ukraine and all your p and nations. they just stay pump defense spending. they also want to say a good deal of for you crying that is a central vote f

it is first and foremost about ukraine, and nothing can be done about ukraine without ukraine — as ukrainer of conflict, those living with its consequences are eager for an end. negotiations could start today, with mr trump suggesting that russian representatives will meet americans on friday in munich, which is hosting a security conference. merlyn thomas, bbc news, washington. to russia, and that its long desired security goal ofjoining nato is off the table. the us is still going after ukraine's natural resources, with a deal being proposed in terms of access to that in return for continued military aid. so the question that is bubbling here is, well, what's in it for ukraine? there is a deep sense of betrayal in many quarters. there are people and news websites, commentators saying that we should have known this was coming with the second donald trump presidential term. and there are even parallels being made with failed western attempts to curb nazi germany before the outbreak of the second world war. that is the depth of feeling here in that if russia is allowed to keep hold of some