. >>> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. and so they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> the swing vote, the most powerful electorate block in the u.s. are independent voters and they've decided every election since world war ii. also this weekend, on booktv, they turn the network into the extension of the republican party. and mark levin's "the unmaking of america." booktv, every weekend on c-span 2. >> i was quite a radical as a young person and i was the one that thought we should overcome and not a way of gaining civil rights and i thought more confrontation was needed. >> economic professor, columnist, walter williams, on being a radical. >> i believe that being a radical is any person who believes in personal liberty and individual freedom and limited government. that makes you a radical and i've alway

. >>> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. and so they have no say who gets nominated. and as a result we get more and more extreme candidates on both end of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 eastern on after words, linynin killian writes in "the swing vote" about voters in prirms. and "the fox effect" how it was turned into an arm of the republican party. and on sunday night "ameritopia." book tv every weekend on c-span 2. >> i was confided a radical as a young person and i was the one that thought that the, you know, we shall overcome was really not a very effective way of gaining civil rights and i think that i thought that more confrontation was needed. >> economics professor, columnist and substitute host for rush limbaugh, walter williams on acradical. >> i believe that a radical is any person who believes in personal liberty and individual freedom and limited government. that makes

. >> my opinion of the regime as i said early on, deeply repressive, undemocratic regime. i find it somewhat not convincing to hear that one cares a lot about people but taking military action, imposing crippling sanctions against the country, a pain borne not by the regime but the people. >> i read every single publication of your organization. you are diligent enough to send me by mail, and i am diligent enough tadand i fail -- >> i appreciate it. >> i read it and i fail towhat recommendation. >> absolutely. >> are against military option. you are against sanctions. on the other hand you say it's repressive, regime. do you think that this regime will voluntarily relinquish power at some point? >> in spit talking point, ephraim, i think i have more faith in the iranian people than you do. i think they will deal with this regime, get rid of this regime and iran will reach democracy. the history of iran has shown when you have these tensions with the outside world, that has repressed and pushed back the pro democracy movement in mor them. their space, in order to pursue wha

. >>> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. so, they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends. >> saturday night on after words, linda killian writes that independent voters have decided the election since world war ii. also this weekend on book tv, david brock talks about "the fox effect." and sunday night at 10:00, mark levin and his thoughts on the current state of politics in "ameritopia." book tv every weekend on c-span 2. >>> this senate arms services committee heard testimony thursday on the president's 2013 navy budget. navy secretary ray mabus was joined by the chief of naval operations at the hearing. the navy budget request is for $155.9 billion. a decrease of $1.4 billion from last year. this is just under three hours. >> good morning, everybody. we want to welcome secretary mabus and admiral and general to the committee this

. >>> our system is undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. in half of the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. so, they have no say in who gets nominated. as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night on "afterwards" linda killian writes the book "the swing vote." also this weekend on book tv, saturday at 8:00, david brock on "the fox effect." then sunday night at 10:00, mark levin and his thoughts on the state of politics in "ameritopia." book tv every weekend on c-span 2. >>> today, american university law school held a day-long event on the freedom of information act. they began by giving a reward to susan long. she is the director of the clearing house records division. >> good morning. happy sunshine week to you all. we see the sun trying to poke out behind the clouds here at the washington college of law on the campus of american university. i'm dan metcalfe on the collaboration of government secrecy. we are pleased to welcome our auditori

skepticism in terms of whether this can be achieved the opposition is known by and large to be quite undemocratic in some circles also they're often charged with following their own self interests so whether or not today's meeting in fact will achieve anything remains to be seen at artie's middle east correspondent hala slayer. but at least x.-press francesco sisi told us that the deep divisions within the syrian opposition could be a serious obstacle to peace. from what we know the rebels are very divided extremely divided in and these are called. for harder fight between different factions as we have seen for instance only see that leave it in print precious are now in conflict in some kind of conflict with each other this situation is the. brilliance people therefore you would be useful to have a peace settlement now are. nobody clearly winning and everybody would be. more in the mood for for compromise. still ahead for you on the program silencing the whistle. with the leaks wiki leaks we keep leaks which we highlight the lengths washington is prepared to go to to persecute the world's most f

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in several ways. one is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the prime yarz. they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both endsst spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 eastern on "afterwards," linda killia writes that most electorate block in the u.s. are independent voters and they decided every election since world war ii. also this weekend on book tv, saturday at 8:00 p.m., david ross on how roger ails turned the network into an extension of the republican party. and sunday night at 10:00, syndicated talk radio host mark levin and his thoughts on making america. book tv every weekend on c-span2. >> they would wear garments made of homespun cloth. and this homespun cloth would be much more rough text toured, would be much less fine than the kinds of goods that they could import from great britain. but by wearing this homespun cloth, women were visibly and vividly and physically displaying their political s

now, can we say we're undemocratic or generally not a moderate society? i think we need to be less ethnocentric, i guess. >> i completely agree, mohammed. i would say, it's a matter of degree. it's the relative situation, and i think everywhere it could be better, perhaps. how's that autonomy pup like that? >> absolutely. >> this gentleman back over here on the right. >> mitchell twiner, international religious liberties soeshs office. a question that goes to credibility transparency, reliability. the moderate groups that you referenced, the question is -- to what degree does their position at opting the variety reflect a true change of heart and mind? do they accept some degree of toleration and diversity and all of those things as the ultimate good or is this simply a tactical grudgingly accepted position that acknowledgement of current reality? >> okay. >> so that, you know, it's a good question. it's frankly an old question. one that has been answered many times before. well -- time will tell, of course. we don't know if these groups are exactly, comp

skepticism in terms of whether this can be achieved the opposition is known by and large to be quite undemocratic in some circles also they're often charged with following their own self interests now while all of this is happening there has been a flare up in violence on the ground along the syrian lebanese border and the mainstream media is reporting that some two dozen syrian troops have crossed over into lebanon and are fighting syrian rebels there but this has been denied by the lebanese state television it says that this has not happened that there was some fighting earlier today tuesday and that there were some stray well it is but there are no syrian troops currently inside lebanon fall asleep with the latest from the middle east. he's written extensively about the middle east he told us he believes president assad's acceptance of a peace plan doesn't fit the image has been drawn up by the opposition or his regime. this doesn't really play into the near of that being attempted to be created it wants to portray assad as some sort of insane agent who can't be reasoned with but of course if

skepticism in terms of whether this can be achieved the opposition is known by and large to be quite undemocratic in some circles also they're often charged with following their own self interests now while all of this is happening there has been a flare up in violence on the ground along the syrian lebanese border and the mainstream media is reporting that some two dozen syrian troops have crossed over into lebanon and are fighting syrian rebels there but this is being denied by the lebanese state television it says that this has not happened that there was some fighting earlier today tuesday and that they were some stray bullets but there they are you know syrian troops currently inside lebanon to pick that up with my next shortly patrick raises on the line a reporter from online magazine. middle east the trick first off for the opposition stop short of that except widely peace plan choosing to discuss instead how to put more pressure on the regime why do you think it's doing this was its take what was it taking this passed. well i guess those least important states very hard to know exactly wh

seen quite a lot of division recently and it's splintering because it's being accused of as very undemocratic not representative of the syrian people so it behooves these organizations to sort of terror in syria in order to try to win support from the syrian people themselves but unfortunately it's the syrian people who are suffering because not only are they dying in nice violent attacks but the government then has any every right to try to you know institute law and order in its own borders and you do so. about the syrian national council or syria's exiled opposition sitting should we say rather comfortably over and chalky the un so you see us through the syrian national council so that the regime. there we can any grounds for those claims. absolutely no grounds and this is what they've been saying time and time again and you know even the americans who would be happy to believe such claims continually come up with out in other groups armed groups being encouraged by neighboring countries are committing such acts and so really it's getting very tired to hear these same all claims and i thin

skepticism in terms of whether this can be achieved the opposition is known by and large to be quite undemocratic in some circles also they're often charged with following their own self interests now while all of this is happening there has been a flare up in violence on the ground along the syrian lebanese border and the mainstream media is reporting that some two dozen syrian troops have crossed over into lebanon and are fighting syrian rebels there but this has been denied by the lebanese state television it says that this has not happened that it was some fighting earlier today tuesday and that there were some stray bullets that there are no syrian troops currently inside lebanon rather slow to small correspondent in the middle east paula so it's get some reaction from so you for a job there's a complaint of the maybe center for strategic studies joining us on the line from beirut very good message everything should be with us at the same time as the regime sony is ready to stop fighting and start talks the opposition is discussing measures against it was very reluctant there was this plan s

skepticism in terms of whether this can be achieved the opposition is known by and large to be quite undemocratic in some circles also they're often charged with following their own self interests now while all of this is happening there has been a flare up in violence on the ground along the syrian and lebanese border and the mainstream media is reporting that some two thousand syrian troops have crossed over into lebanon and off fighting syrian rebels there but this has been denied by the lebanese state television it says that this has not happened that they want some final scene earlier today tuesday and that they were some stray bullets but that there are no syrian troops currently inside lebanon. let's talk more about syria on joined now by james corbett independent journalist who's written extensively on the middle east so we've had a positive reaction to announced plans from the government but only of vague statement from the opposition welcoming the government's response why have rebel still not accepted announce a proposal well i think this doesn't really play into the near if that's bee

he was defending a system where party elites undemocratically met at conventions and picked nominees. he was attacking a position kennedy had perfected of primary volters, of grassroots party members picking nominees. that's the more democratic process and he had it in just the reverse. >> here's how onken gli 1960 in new york responding to harry truman. it took two days for him to respond. today it will take about two minutes. >> harry truman was such an icon, they had to pick their words very carefully. >> so let's watch. >> last saturday one of our most dedicated and courageous presidents gave the nation his views on the forthcoming democratic convention. in as much as mr. truman's remarks were directed at me, i'm taking this opportunity to respond to his statement. first, mr. truman suggested that i step aside as a candidate in 1960. hen let me say i do not intend to step aside at anyone's request. i wi i was the only candidate to risk my chances in all the primaries. the only one to visit every state. i have encountered and survived every kind of hazard and opposition, and i do n

conviction rate of palestinians and so you basically have israel ruling over two million people with an undemocratic system with no interest in giving up control over them and that's the problem that a pack is faced with and that's why it's using so many propaganda is propaganda stick techniques to either silence this conversation suppress it or put lipstick on a pig but it seems to me max i mean. certainly you have kind of your top officials not addressing that there is a lot of discontent within israel even within a lot of people that live in israel. about these practices saying like something needs to change here or else it's going to get bad i think that the israeli public there is a sector of the israeli public of a few hundred people who are directly protesting these policies there is a large much larger sector that doesn't like them but complies with them and participates in the army but the israeli public has elected the knesset that is. authorizing legislating apartheid for instance they were. that lead banned west bank palestinians from marrying in uniting with palestinians inside who are

>> guest: our system its is undemocratic and then number of ways like the clothes primary. half of the states, 40% cannot participate and the primary. they have no say on who gets nominated. and they have more and more extreme candidates who were nominated by a party activist. coupled with the way congressional districts are drawn. the metal is totally disappearing. and able to cut deals that is why congress has a 9% approval rating. >> host: is that a fair reading? >> i think you are right. i will say that i set out to blame both sides equally. i felt both parties moved to the extreme ignoring the center. but in reporting the book the past two years, the tea party was rising during that time to make its voice heard. you had spectacular and prominent primary elections in 2010. in delaware my castle was challenged by a questionable candidate. mike castle a congressmen for many years, very popular, a centrist. it and a mostly tea party people say i don't care if mike castle loses we don't want him in congress. the cleansing of the centrist republicans they called them rinos.

[cheers and applause] >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic and a number of ways. one of the ways this close primary. so half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. instead they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result we get more and more extreme candidates on those sons of the spectrums. >> they would work permits made of honks fun cloth. and the honks fun cloth would be rough textured, the much less fine than the crimes they could import from grape written. but they weren't disclosed, women were visibly and physically displaying their political sentiments. >> president obama spoke at a campaign fundraiser in the hometown of chicago friday afternoon. the group posted with the obama victory sign. was the first of five fundraisers the president attended friday. this is about 40 minutes. >> hello, chicago! [cheers and applause] thank you. thank you so much. thank you. [applause] it is good to be home. [cheers and applause] thank you very much. thank you. everybody, please have a seat. thank you so much. i have

>> guest: well, our system is fundamentally undemocratic and a number of ways. one of the ways is the closed primary. in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries and so they have no say in who is nominated, and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrums. spectrum's. we are nominated by the party activist and then that is who is getting elected to congress. coupled with the way congressional districts are drawn. that is a problem, which is leaving out the middle. centrists are totally disappearing in congress so you have the far left in the far rate, unable to cut deals, unable to govern which is why i think congress has a 9% approval rating right now. >> host: my reading of of the book indicated that while you do certainly blame both sides for this problem, i sense that you blame one side more than the other. is that a fair reading and outside that site is the republican side. >> guest: i think you are right. i will say that i set out to blame both sides equally. when i start

[applause] [inaudible conversations] >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic and a number of ways tiered one of the ways is closed primary. so i'd have to say in the country 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primary. and so, they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> be acting chairman of the fdic recently called the rule of community bank quote underappreciated in a speech a new regulatory powers under the.frank lautenberg he gave the keynote address recently at george washington university law school in washington. this is part of an all-day symposium on wall street reform regulations and new consumer protections. it is about 40 minutes. the [inaudible conversations] >> we hope you enjoyed a good lunch. we've had a very interesting morning. we are delighted now to have the privilege and honor of hearing from chairman martin jay gruenberg of the insurance corporation. chairman gruenberg has a number of distinctions, but certainly one of the most for today's event is that it works v

has so many undemocratic, anti-democratic, totalitarian members that give the institution a bad name.ve no jurisdiction over the united states in any way, shape or form. i just want to know, look. you know, you talk about violations rights. we've also had more voter fraud in recent years than ever before. 31 states -- >> when? when? come on. >> 31 states have i.d.s. >> dead people vote. >> listen. whole elections -- whole elections have been determined over lawsuits over voter fraud. >> no. not this issue. not this issue. >> a democratic party and unions have been in the lead in contesting elections over fraud. >> oh, come on. >> why not -- what are you afraid of with having a picture i.d. on voter registration? what are you afraid of here? >> okay. so there's sort of two things i would contrast. so the first is that george bush said this was a big issue. voter impersonation, big issue. his doj spent millions of dollars in five years diving into the issue. found about 16 cases a year during that five-year period. that's like .000 -- i think about 3% -- .0003% of votes cast in that per

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic. all voters cannot participate in the primaries. so they have no say in who gets nominated. as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> tonight at 10:00 eastern on after words, writing about the deciding voters. and then david brock on how roger ails turned the network into an extension of the republican party. then ameritopia. on book tv on c-span 2. >> they would wear garments made of homespun cloth. this would be more textured and much less fine than the kinds of goods they could import from great britain. but by wearing this, women were physically and visibly displaying their political sentiments. >> rose marie on the role of women during the revolutionary war. part of american history tv this weekend on c-span three. >> i was quite a radical as a young person, and i was the one who thought singing "we shall overcome" was not a very effective way of gaining rights. and i thought that more confrontation was needed. >> economics professor and columnist and substitute host for rush limbaugh

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. and so they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 eastern on "afterwards" linda kilian writes that the most powerful bloc in the u.s. are independent voters and they've decided every election since world war ii. also, on book tv, saturday at 8:00 p.m., how the network was turned into an extension of the republican pearlt. and sunday night at 10:00. mark levin and his thoughts on the current state of politics. book tv, every weekend on c-span 2. >> i was quite ir-- a radical as a young person and i was the one who thought singing "we shall overcome" was not a very effective way of gaining civil rights. i thought that more confrontation was needed. >> substitute host for rush limbaugh, walter williams, on being a rad cam. >> i believe a radical is

[applause] >> it our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways.one of the ways in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters cannot participate in the primary and so, they have no say in who gets nominated and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> they would wear garments made of homespun cloth and the homespun cloth would be much more rough textured and be much less find than the type that they would import from great britain. by wearing this homespun cloth women were visibly and physically displaying their political sentiments. nuclear regulatory commission chairman gregory jaczko testified on the recently approved rules to improve safety of the nation's 104 operating reactors. this comes one year after japan's fukushima nuclear plant meltdown following you made it to nine earthquake. u.s. plants have as many as five years to comply with the new rules. this and environment committee held this two-hour hearing. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

thank you for joining us. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic and a number of ways. of the ways is closed primaries. in half the states of the country, 40% of all the voters cannot participate in the primary. so they have no say in who gets nominated. as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on afterwards, linda killian writes in "the swing votes" that the most powerful voting bloc in the u.s. is independent voters and they have decided every election since world war ii. on sunday night at 10:00, syndicated talk radio host marc levin and his thoughts on the current state of politics. book tv, every weekend on c- span-2. congratulations to all of this year's winners of c-span student camera video documentary competition. a record number of students entered a video on the theme, "the constitution and you," showing why the constitution is important to them. what all of the winning videos on our website, c-span.org. enjoin a saturday when we show all of the seven -- join us saturday when we

. >> our system is violent -- fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed breeze. in half of the states in the country, 40% of the voters cannot participate in the primary. and so they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 p.m., linda killian write independent voters have decided every election since world war ii. the senate and 8:00 p.m., david brock on h ow ro -- how roger ailes turned fox news into a wing of the republican party. and "the unmaking of america." book tv on cspan-2. a discussion of mormonism and american politics. after that a look at mental health in the u.s. military. the form onair on national security. several live events to tell you about tomorrow. the center for american progress host a forum on the end of the iraq war and national security. that is here at 10:00 a.m. eastern. after 1:00 p.m. eastern, president obama has a campaign fund-raiser in chicago, one of several campaign events he has schedul

. >> our system is undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is primaries. 40% of all the voters cannot participate in the primaries. they have no say in who gets nominated. as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on those ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night, we talked about independent voters. they have decided the election since world war ii. also, turns the network into an extension of the republican party. and sunday night at 10:00, mark levin, and his thoughts on the current state of politics. booker t. become a every weekend on c-span to. -- book tv, every weekend on c- span 2. >> then, a look at mental health in the u.s. military. later, more of our coverage of the economy summit. >> several live event to tell you about tomorrow. the center for american process hall -- progress hold a forum on the end of the iraq war. that is here on c-span at 10:00 a.m. eastern. president obama has a campaign fund-raiser in chicago. one of several campaign event he has scheduled. tomorrow morning, a discussion of democra

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. and so they had no say in who get nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00 eastern on "after words," linda killian writes in the swing vote that the most powerful electorate bloc in the u.s. are independent voters and they decided every election since world war ii. also this weekend on booktv, saturday at 8:00 pm, david brock on how fox news president roger ales turned the network as an extension of the republican party and sunday night at 10:00, syndicated talk show host mark levine and the current state of post in ameritopia, the unmakes of america. >> the influence of super pacs of elections was a forum on capitol hill recently. the supreme court's ruling in citizens united was a focal point of the discussions. roll call lobbying writer who served as one of the panelis

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic and a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primary. so when half the states of the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primary. and so, they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> virginia attorney general can kootenai we will talk about the leak or challenge to obama's health care a lot environmental regulation and his own campaigns become virginia's next governor. newsmakers is on c-span sunday at 6:00 p.m. eastern. robert mueller told senators would hamper the agency's efforts to bomb makers. the debt ceiling legislation, the fbi is facing 600 to $800 million in budget cuts. mr. mueller testified before a senate appropriations subcommittee today for an hour 15 minutes. >> good morning, everybody. [inaudible] today we are taking the testimony with our direct care of the fbi, federal bureau of investigation with direct your mueller. this'll be a two-part hearing. one will be here an open and publ

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways.one of the ways is close primary so in half in the states in the country's 40% of all the voters cannot participate in the primary and so they have no say into who gets nominated and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum.

an interesting take on whether or not you think that boycotts are effective or whether they're undemocratic. bret bzell went on sean hannity's show last night for talking about his rationale for calling for the boycott. >> there's a point where you get plain sick and tired of the hypocrisy of the raging hypocrisy of this network. i'm uncomfortable with this speech. >> stopping a 1 way street. it's time to tell these people, you want to fight fire? we have a whole lot more than you got. if you want to make an issue of it, we're going to make you rue the day that you tried us. >> both sides of an issue that's everywhere right now. straight ahead on this show, so what if the president's green initiatives have flopped. he said republicans should get with the times. >> if some of these folks were around when columbus set sail, they must have been founding members of the flat earth society. >> is he right or on the wrong side of history? stuart varney is on the right side of the bed we hope. he's going to be here soon. >> what bed? then time is ticking and john edwards is desperate to stay out of

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic in a number of ways. one of the ways is closed primaries. so in half the states in the country, 40% of all the voters can't participate in the primaries. and so they had no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10 eastern on "after words," linda killian writes that the most powerful bloc in the u.s. are independent voters, and they've decided every election since world war ii. also this weekend on booktv, saturday at 8 p.m. david brock on how roger ails turned fox news into an extension of the republican party, and sunday night at 10 syndicated talk radio host mark levin and his thoughts on "ameritopia: the unmaking of america." booktv, every weekend on c-span2. >> the atlantic hosted its all-day economy summit earlier this week in washington. among the panelists and speakers, former treasury secretary robert rubin who said that america needs to deal with the debt and deficit immediately, and he believes progr

. >> our system is fundamentally undemocratic. one of the ways is closed primaries. when half the states in the country, 40% cannot produce a bit in the primaries. they have no say in who gets nominated. and as a result, we get more and more extreme candidates on both ends of the spectrum. >> saturday night at 10:00, the swing votes are independent voters and they decide every election since world war two. -- world war ii al. also, a talk about fox news. on sunday night, the thoughts about the current state of politics in ameritopia. "book tv every weekend on c- span2. >> i was radical as a young person. i thought we should over come, that was not an effective way of gaining civil-rights. i thought that more confrontation was needed. >> walter williams on being a radical. >> i believe that a radical is any person who believes in personal liberty and individual freedom and limited government. that makes you a radical. i always been a person who believes that people should not interfere with me. i should be able to do my own thing without a -- so long as i did not viol

in some cases, as some of the groups are, detestable, any attempt to move in that direction is undemocratic. for that reason alone, the question is to be addressed in the affirmative. in fact, anything other than that represents a step backwards, the failed logic of the past, a logic in which we supported mubarak because we thought the alternative was or as mr. sarkozy said in france that it is better to have africa than a taliban. the second question has to do with -- and i think the way i receive it was different than the way you perceive it and your question was harder to answer so i will tell you the question that i am understood. would a regime of liberal democracy including it here is to the principles of religious freedom of moderate or unleashing the illiberal radicalism of some of these voices? the difference is the emphasis on liberal democracy as opposed to a regime that highlighted religious freedoms. that is a slight variation. my answer is, and i think this is somewhat similar to some of the excellent discussion and that was in panel 1 this morning, was i don't know. but i wou