law, but also immoral and totally undemocratic. the use of it is under question today, whether it was useful at all. the end result is negative. >> newspapers like the guardian should be prosecuted, or the nsa in the wrong? the nsa is totally in the wrong, acting illegally under u.s. law, acting immorally under the international way of doing things, and in a totally undemocratic fashion. it is following the lead of the nsa, why it is taking such a big political risk. >> i am rather skeptical that president obama says he did not know of such actions. this would have been done under the directions of that time. i did not know there was a standard for moral behavior under international law. every country does what it thinks is in its own interest. >> i think there are maybe two categories of copulation. those having political power. it is a matter of foreign policy. the other category deals with millions of people for which you have information from private service providers. you can ask them to provide information before providing it

and as long as the parameters for the discussion are felt in such away as to enable undemocratic practices, then the peace is lacking on the question of justice. >> lisa: the challenges that groups like combatants for peace face come from inside and out outside of their perspective exeunlts. communities. by engaging them both similar sr metrically. >> here is a look at a couple of hash tags that are coming right now. >> lisa: welcome back. ware talking about non-violent peace efforts between palestinians and israelis. before the break we asked for your thoughts. what are people saying? >> a lot of critcism. here is shareef. how can you expect honest dialogue when palestinians face obstacles just getting to the take. we don't kneand then tristen sae normalizes injustice. there can't be any middle ground for dialogue while structures of injusticebejustice persist. >> lisa: how do you agree with this. i a i gre agree with them. >> non-violence resistance doesn't mean to be enacted to be passive to runaway. on the contrary. it means when you you are meetg the violent entity, which can be the s

but he's also disagreed wholly with their tactics, and they even call those tactics undemocratic, and he's actually underlined the fact that what's been happening in america, although we're seeing some sort of androw news now, could end up jeopardizing the american economy and as a consequence also the u.s. dollar. interesting comments there from dr. greenspan on the current debt shutdown. >> i don't know if you saw in my destruction, this mean has a very impressive c.v., but there are lots of people who say he presided over that credit boom that led to the financial crisis that we're still living with. >> interesting, isn't it, because he came into the federal reserve in 1987 just in time to save the economy from the brink of this stock market crash that year. he also then presided over the new federal reserve during the september 11 crisis, before that the 1990 boom times. i think he was called the oracle or the maestro. that was his nickname. but he has been criticized for a couple of policies that people have said could have caused the did not crisis. number one was keeping intere

we allow an economic system to exist which is flagrantly undemocratic.t corporations, tiny handful of people, major shareholders, a dozen. there is a board of directors, another dozen. they make all the decisions, what to produce, how to produce, where to produce, and what did it with the profits. we all, the mass of people who work in all of these businesses, making this economy go, we live with the results that a tiny group of people make. do we vote them in? no. do we have democratic accountability for their actions? no. a do what is profitable for them. they pay themselves in norma's salaries. they give themselves evidence. they decide to move to china. we live with the results. we moved -- we had the american revolution to not allow the king of england to do that for us and we have allowed these corporations to play the role of kings in our modern times. we have to face the question now to become a nation that can rule its own destiny, just as we had two years ago vis-À-vis england. i think until we face that, we are going to look at all of the zero

by supporting saudi arabia saudi arabia and many of the gulf countries are probably the most undemocratic the most corrupt and they are really a liability and they have contributed to the sense of alienation between the. world so for saudi arabia specially mr bundy to take this solution is a little astonishing i mean i think i don't think that there will be a total disconnect but if there will be one it will be in the best interest of us on the whole. the u.s. would not be associated with a country that if you generate thought of terrorism it will not be associated with a leader like this but who is. playing a major role in the bloody war going on in syria and supporting terrorists the u.s. now downplays this shift with saudi arabia possibly thinking that the saudis are not going to go too far but the u.s. has underestimated dynamic before with saddam hussein he was an ally of one point with them with a hidden in afghanistan and other folks so in this case it all depends on how four saudi arabia is actually willing to go with this number in virginia i'm going to strike i'm back now to our

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have to face the hard reality we allow an economic excess system to exist which is flagrantly undemocratic in most corporations a tiny handful of people major shareholders doesn't the board of directors another doesn't make all the decisions what to produce how to produce where to produce and what to do with the profits we all the mass of people who work in all these businesses making this economy go we live with the results that a tiny group of people make do we vote admin no do we have democratic accountability for their actions no they do what's profitable for them they give themselves enormous our ease they pay themselves the dividends they decide to move to china we live with the results they make the decisions you know we had the american revolution not to have a king of england do that for us and we don't need a few corporate executives overpaid as they are to play the role of kings in our modern. we have to face that question to become a mission that can rule its own destiny just like we had two years ago visit being would and i think until we face that we're going to look at all o

congress is going to pass it and the only way they'll pass it really is through a fast track very undemocratic process transparent yes unbelievable with this bill affect the average american why should the average american care about that because it's so far reaching it's going to affect something that every person cares about so if you care about the safety of your food or whether there it's labeled to know if she knows are in it those things would be restricted if you have medications that you need to buy and you care about the price of that those prices to be kept high i.q. care about internet freedom the thing is and even by actually a big thing is buy america if you like to buy american products or buy local that would be limited so it really will require that our laws get changed even down to the local level and how we do things and that in a way that we have no control over so it really undermines our sovereignty and when people hear that it's you know being an effort led by corporations or the corporations or. they're bright and managing this whole process can you speak really really b

but there is a few of them that turned it around for democrats, they argue it is undemocratic and randentucky senator and first to observe that that could be used as a counter punch to the democrats. he said nothing today about obama care or the debt ceiling and he spoke. ma rco rubio avoided the battle over the affordable care act and budget. both of these two gladiators choice to focus on social issue. in the case of rand paul he talked about the war on christianity from radical islam and ma rco rubio talked about decaying family values and they didn't talk about the government shutdown under way right now. paul ryan was expected to speak to the group and he chose not to come and will send a videotape. mr. ryan the 2012 vice-presidential nominee is essential for how to work on the government shutdown and deal with the budget and get toward a grand bargain. >> thank you. very interesting, thank you, carl. >>> the administration is trying to fix the glitches with obama care and trying to iron out the problems. >> the republicans are launching adrian investigation of the glitches after

committed abuses and rye reacten undemocratic ways. >> the sawdie saw sawe saudis h- since the 1980s we have been sending egypt a thousand tanks valued at $4 billion and egypt had several thousand air tanks. and there is one conceivable scenario where they need the tanks short of an alien invasion. will this make a difference in any case. will these cuts real littl realt them. >> in terms of military capability it won't. in terms of the signals it says, 23in terms of what the united states regard it's relationship with the military is a worrying signal. the important point here is by having removed a failed president from power the military and the brotherhood are in a conflict with each other. the reason that the military will not shape the military's behavior right now. the generals believe if they don't decapitate the brotherhood they could emerge and kill the generals. ments i am not endorsing that vw here. that conticket i conflict is hao influence and it would be harder to keep the powder dry and hold off for a moment and push egypt in a more democratic direction. >> what about

if you produce a lot of oil, you seem to be undemocratic.hat i tried to show is a much more interesting and long history between oil and democracy, and it involves us as much as the countries that depend on the production of oil. the way to think about that is to go back to the history of coal. without that, we would not have the forms a mass democracy that emerged in the 20th century because it became possible for groups of organized workers to shut down an economy. the dependence on a single source of energy created for mobility that organized forces in coal production to take advantage of. oil was different. it did not give workers the same opportunity to threaten the productive system, and therefore proved much more difficult to democratize on the basis of oil. difficult for the country that produced the oil, but also for the countries that began to switch from coal to oil, realizing you could de- democratize a country if you became more dependent on oil. thehe decision to reorient world to oil was a response to counter cold unions in eu

movement there and not only are the sales at record levels but they are going to some of the most undemocratic places in the world when we should be supporting the oppressed not helping the oppressers as many of these sales would do. >> let them see what the first-round of impacts are which i think they are going see are going to be quite negative and the things going over to the commerce department, there's no law to say they have to use the same criteria for states and they should look at what the economic impacts are going to be. instead of making claims, really dig in and see how many jobs going to be export. if we can get them to do those three things, can you can sort of -- >> what are the most commonly used in human rights violations around the world? >> well, there's things like tear gas, ust tear gas dann canisters showed up in egypt, for example. there's things like automatic weapons, armored personnel carriers and some against internal adversaries. >> just to get this last question, you just wrote a piece saying after the shutdown don't depement point guard. we've -- the pentagon. w

should stand on tiptoe in the dark, hoping to hear their voice comment in their their intent was undemocratic, immoral and just preemptively. the final disagreements of the quest for original intent or original meaning or original public understanding is that it is a highly technical search involving etymology of words, the evolution of language, the intellectual history of anglo-american line and society. if we accept that as determining the meaning of the constitution, then the people don't cover themselves anymore. we are handed over to those historians who have special knowledge of these things, or even worse, judges who usually have virtually no knowledge of these things, but believe they do and remember their eighth grade civics class quite vividly. ordinary citizens however have no standing to gauge in constitutional interpretation. is the constitution is binding not because of its pedigree, but because we the living pledge our allegiance to it, maybe what should matter is what the words say to us, the living today. our attention, our understanding matter far more than those of the dea

. >> it reminds me of the way things work in undemocratic countries.s why i thought harry reid was right to call them banana republicans. it's like they're politicians out of a banana republic who don't have respect for the basic way we've done things in this country for a very long time. starting with john boehner not putting this bill on the floor of the house. they don't have a filibuster in the house. he really is under an obligation to do as the president said today, to have an up or down vote. let people be counted. we live in a democracy with majority rule. let's see what the majority says. >> what is his obligation other than a moral obligation of leadership if he has any? he is the guy. this is now down to one person. there's one person blocking this entire thing. everybody else is on board. they've got republicans, if there are any moderates left or at least stepped to their senses for a little while, there would be 12 to 17 that would go ahead and vote for this, a clean bill. boehner says he's not bringing it to the floor. what's his obligat

not going to be able to ransom the affordable care act to implement those changes, because it's undemocraticdo they get that? >> it's a great question, joy. and i think when you look at what republicans are doing, incrementally, they're moving water down their demands. publicly, they're still keeping up this rally cry to repeal or defund obama care. but right now, with paul ryan's op-ed and other behind the scenes maneuvers, they're watering down what they're asking for. now there's just about fiscal talks, rather than a grand demand hearding obama care. >> but robert, do you get the sense that people in the house are mad at paul ryan for dropping the affordable care act piece of the demand or they're secretly relieved he's moving it there? >> i think some are secretly relieved. and the good -- the way paul ryan is handling this is he's being an ally of leadership without being an official member of leadership. so he's able to move the conversation away from obama care and bring conservatives along because he has strong political capital on the right and that's important for boehner who some

but do not -- i mean it is profoundly undemocratic for you know one faction of one party to say i didn'tnted through the normal legislative process. i didn't get what i wanted through the supreme court. i didn't get what i wanted when the american people nationally voted. and so i will therefore hold the government hostage and the economy hostage in order to achieve my aims. i don't think that's good for our democracy and it's certainly not good for our economy. i think you heard lloyd blankfein, he's the head of the financial services forum. you know, say you cannot use u.s. obligations to repay its debt as a cudgel. and there's a consensus. this is again quoing had imbased on reports i've seen, i was not out at the stakeout, but there's a con sense we shouldn't do anything to hurt the recovery. that's a consensus among ceos who might not otherwise all agree politically with the president because this isn't about -- shouldn't be about partisan politics. we keep the government open, we pay our bills. >> move onto the asia trip. >> come on, i was just getting started. >> you'll have the o

globe for thousands of years and strip the rights from people more importantly it's fundamentally undemocratic. we need to return to the core values that this nation was built on break up the hereditary kingdoms as a rule in america by aggressively establishing and in foreseen inheritance taxes on great wealth next break up theocracy by taking away the tax exempt status of churches and doing away with the government subsidies provided to them and finally break up the out of control military industrial complex by increasing transparency shutting down washington's revolving door enforce the sherman antitrust act and bring an end to the privatization of traditional government functions once and for all. kings warlords and theocrats have no place in america today is time to give them the boot to take back our rights and once again put power in the hands of we the people if america is to survive as america we the people must stand up and restore the core values that jefferson and the founders put into place. and that's the way it is the night monday october seventh two thousand and thirteen day sev

. >> from the republican or from the tea party's point of view it's forcing through an undemocratic process of a change in obama care from the point of view -- >> yes. they're not going to change their positions. what is the advantage bins boehner gets? >> boehner is in a position where if he ostracizes the right wing of his party too much, as we saw in the immigration this summer, his chances of being re-elected as speaker go to zero. >> it's all on boehner. he has to decide whether he allows the u.s. to default or whether he cuts the tea party. >> if you pass on one interest payment and say we'll defer it to the future, you don't cause a cross default. each bond is individual. the second thing is you can stretch out a little bit further. look, it shows every chance of going to the wire. >> therefore, dollar's into its fifth or six week of declines. equity markets, not so great this morning. are we actually now going to see this week much more of a concern from investors? what they've done is, look, the thought process when push comes to shove, politicians won't cough it up. they'll hammer

concerns over undemocratic developments in egypt. on the domestic front.e's the front page of the parkersburg news. shots fired. talking about a shooting outside a federal court building. is wheelingicer shooter. -police officer is wheeling shooter. conference, the 55-year-old resigned from the police department in july of 2000. his personal file has not been received and they do not know the circumstances of his investigation. they continue to work on it. have about five or six minutes left with you. our first segment to talk about the government -- government shutdown. roger is on our line for independents. caller: hello. there is a lot of misinformation coming from the left. the republicans did not shut down the government. obama and the democrats have done that. the republican house of representatives sent a bill to the senate, a budget, to the senate that would fully fund the government except for obamacare. whoas obama and harry reid chose to shut down the government rather than except any defunding or delay of obamacare. so they are the ones who are

it's completely undemocratic demand.tions of government, we demand that you go back and undo a law that was passed by the congress, signed by the the, upheld by the supreme court and essentially ratified by the elections. trying to change the law because of one faction of congress in one branch of government decides this is unacceptable makes no sense. >> keith, we have to leave it there. thank you very much to you both. thanks a lot. thank you, dee. >> that was fun. >> and we would love to see the tea party in the hockey ring, definitely. >> that would be something. maybe at some point, like the winter classics. >> exactly. bye for now. ay attract burglars? [woman] off to hawaii! what if you didn't know that as the price of gold rises, so should the coverage on your jewelry? [prospector] ahh! what if you didn't know that kitty litter can help you out of a slippery situation? the more you know, the better you can plan for what's ahead. talk to farmers and get smarter about your insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum,

to express my appreciation for congressman on thes leadership eisenhower memorial, which was an undemocratic and an transparent selection process, until he took it on. it perhaps would have gone to completion without being addressed. so thank you. we are now going to move to a panel discussion. we are very happy to have bruce cole, a senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center. he is also the former chairman of the national endowment to the humanities. in 2008, president george w. bush awarded him the medal for his work to strengthen our national memory and make sure our countries national heritage is passed on to future generations. just this summer, he was appointed by president obama to be a member of the dwight d eisenhower memorial commission. the third center for legal and judicial studies at the heritage foundation -- he is a graduate of new york university school of law. at heritage, he focuses on civil rights, the role of the federal court, and other constitutional issues. each panelist will speak for 10 minutes. then we will have a conversation with you, the audience. >> t

express my appreciation for congressman bishop's leadership on the eisenhower memorial which was an undemocratic and untransparent selection process and until he took it on, it perhapses would have gone to completion, without being addressed. so thank you. we're now going to move to panel discussion here and we're very happy to have bruce cole who is a senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center. he's also the former chairman of the national endowment for the humanities and is the author of 14 books and numerous articles. in 2008 president george w. bush awarded mr. cole the presidential citizens medal for his work to strengthen our national memory and ensure that our country's history is passed on to future generations. just this summer, mr. cole was appointed by president obama to be a member of the dwight d. eisenhower memorial commission and we are very appreciative that he is now in that post. we're also very pleased to have andrew claust who are is a legal fellow here at the sentser for legal and judicial studies at the heritage foundation. and he's a graduate of new york universi

what's happening here is unprecedented, disruptive and undemocratic behavior.we've heard a lot of indignation, hour after hour of it. but here's the thing. it doesn't stop the affordable care act. this whole stunt has been a colossal waste of time, and wasting time is something we can't afford. the real problems facing our nation are still waiting. everyone outside of a radical group of obstructionists knows that this is silly, knows this is misguided and dangerous to our economy. the u.s. chamber of commerce, the business round-terrible, ro- roundtable, business leaders from coast to coast, there is a loud chorous of -- "stop, this is enough," but so far it isn't loud enough. the affordable care act isn't perfect. i'm not going to come to the floor and say the affordable care act is perfect. what law is. but it is the law of the land. it's being implemented. shutting down the government doesn't change that. here's what a shutdown does do. 27,000 federal employees in my state could be furloughed and lose their income. nearly half of the civilian workers for the