if you're being forced, the unilateral transaction is one that takes place between the individual and government. that's where it's unilateral. >> host: what is your enthusiasm is a candidate? >> guest: well, i think he -- i think is moving forward and doing things you want to hear. what is the title of that? >> guest: it is for the manifesto, why big government is sent. >> host: we've got a reader -- >> guest: the little card. we want to show you the current book will elizabeth ames fishes that out. "how capitalism will save us" and here is book by elizabeth ames and steve forbes. freedom manifesto and the said title is? >> guest: why big government is bad. why isn't the government moral? >> guest: the government makes decisions and action based on political agendas, based on a selfish political interests. it's really about meeting it sounds needs in free markets are made in the real-world needs of people. >> host: a seminar follows economics and journalism seminars opinions of this issue, bernie middaugh, jamie diamond, in your view, with those two treated fairly by the federal gove

is what makes it, that's why there is a benefit to both sides if you are being forced the unilateral transaction is one that takes place between the individual and the government. >> what is your enthusiasm level for mitt romney as a candidate? >> well, i think that he is great to be very good president. i think that he gets it and he's moving forward and he's saying the things we need to hear. >> you mentioned a new book coming out. what was the title of that? >> freedom manifesto why they are moral and big government isn't. estimate and that is co-written by you and steve forbes? >> yes, it is. >> it is a little card. some of you got your bags over their. >> how capitalism will save us and here is the new book by elizabeth and steve forbes freedom manifesto and the subhead this spare why they are morally and big government isn't. >> big government makes decisions and tax the actions based on political agenda based on its selfish political interest meaning its own political selfish needs and free markets are meeting the real world needs of people. >> as somebody that follows economics and the f

unilateral transaction takes place between the individual and government. >> host: was your enthusiasm for mitt romney as a candidate? >> guest: i think he will be a very good president. he is saying things here. >> host: you mentioned the new book coming out. >> guest: freedom manifesto. big government isn't. >> host: another book co-written by you and steve forbes. >> guest: we got it over here. [talking over each other] >> host: we want to show you the current book. how capitalism will save us. the new book by elizabeth ames and steve forbes, freedom manifesto and the sub head, subtitle. >> guest: why free-market tomorrow and the government isn't. big government makes decisions, takes action based on political agenda ofs, based on selfish political interests. it is about meeting its own political selfish needs and free markets are meeting real world needs of people. >> host: as someone who follows economics and formal financial journalist and somebody has opinions on this issue, bernie madoff, jamie dimon, were those two treated fairly by the federal government? >> bernie madoff was