what would the union do? printers' union chief bertram powers.mputerized typesetting and film a complete revolution in composury. we understood we'd have to handle it and work with them. we wanted to. we got into a dispute with the publishers about the introduction and about job protection. there never was a refusal to automate, but there was an inability to agree on how to handle the impact that would result from automation. but a.h. raskin, the new york times' labor reporter saw it differently. the new york newspapers didn't join the automation trend because the unions wouldn't let them. and in 1965, after many efforts to break through the publishers, for reasons that remain incomprehensible gave bert powers of big 6, the typographical union here in new york an absolute veto power which he wanted. so that he then had the whip over automation in the composing. you could not move toward improved technology except with a green light from the union. this new contract aimed at preserving jobs by making automation possible, but difficult and expensiv

maybe the union should be given paid time to do its unionizing especially if in the contract. >> rich, from my perspective, too much money and time for the union organizing of federal workers. >> federal workers are paid in terms of salary and benefits 30% more than the average private sector worker. we learn right off the bat 9% less productive because they're spending time on these activities. glad you cited fdr. he wrote in 1937, government employees should realize the process of collective bargain kg not be transplanted into public service because you're pitting the employee not against the employer but against taxpayers. he understood that and was right. >> sabrina, it's not against management. it's against us. that they are now negotiating. >> that's right. that's right. and we're so's often concerned about workers not realizing that many of us are also working very hard, we're working hard to pay the bills every month and pay our taxes, and we don't want -- that's why sort of the opinion on labor unions have dropped precipitously in recent years. it's not just federal employees

as my college at uva argued in his book called the union war, that designation of the union party is no accident. that's very much a matter of careful calculation, too. it reflects the fact that the vast majority, the war was about the union. it was a means to the end of restoring the union. so many hands. yes, ma'am. yes. >> is there any indication that the confederate military, either the common soldier or leaders were involved in either of the camps, the davis camp and the stephens camp? >> sure, if we look at the letters and diaries of the confederate soldiers, they followed the election carefully. we see that spectrum and the mental acrobatics. some believe very, very ar dantly that his election would be best. others felt it didn't make sense to put money in a northern party. others, their opinions changed based on battlefield fortunes and their morality at the moment. we do know, just let me give you the example of lee. a question for scholars is why did the confederates think they could begin the war to begin with? couldn't they crunch the numbers? the north had more of everyt

union party in 1864 is no accident.hat's very much a matter of careful calculation, too, and it reflects the fact that for the vast majority of northerners the war was fundamentally about the union, and the destruction of slavery was a means to the end of restoring the union. how many hands? yes, ma'am. >> is there any indication that the confederate military, either the common soldier or confederate military leaders, were in any way involved in either of these two camps, the davis camp, and the stevens camp? >> sure. if we look at the letters and diaries of confederate soldiers we can see that they followed the election very carefully and we see that spectrum of opinion and also the summer assaults of reasoning, the mental acrobatics on the part of the soldiers. we see some belief very, very ardently that mcclellan's election would be best. others felt that it didn't make sense to put stock in a northern party. others still, their opinions changed based on that of fortunes and they're morale at any given moment. we do

her next book was on this union about the whole debate about the discussion about our possible union dating from 1789 onwards. most recently her book is on victory and defeat and freedom at the end of the civil war. that has won a number of prizes with the library award. professor barron has been speaking widely including the lincoln bicentennial and the gettysburg civil war institute. also on c-span book tv. it's my pleasure to introduce elizabeth barron and she will speak. the set back. >> thank you. >> good morning and thanks for attending the event. this morning i will address the theme of confederate interpretations of the election of 1864, but also southern unionists and border south interpretation. i'm going to take the south as a whole and to my frame. i will first sketch out debates and turn to southern unionism and particularly the role of the preemient unionist from the running made in this 1864 campaign and conclude by considering the question of whether the election was a turning point for the confederate war effort. they must begin with assertions that persisted in stan

by the way, it's not the union's fault. politicians who know we can't pay the unions. a guy who goes to work every day with a lunch pail and his pension gets cut, it's not his fault. it's the politician that should have never promised it. >> we talk about big spending and anti-big spending. the administration is asking for $3.7 billion to fight isis. shouldn't that be where the money is spent to protect us from the bad guys? >> a couple points, one, let's give a shout out to chuck on the best denzel washington imitation ever. should we -- yes, listen, i think terrorism, we are going to talk later on the show about different kinds of terrorism. itis where our money should be going. that said, anytime we have a mom and apple pie area like defense automatically they say we should spend as much money as possible. we have to be prudent there as well as government pension and education. >> chuck? denzel? >> at the end of the day, people made a choice. things are flipping back and forth. if both parties stand-up and say what they believe in, let them make a choice. let them v

a live look from union square in san francisco.we are seconds away from the macy's tree lighting scheduled to happen. the event in the 25th year. the tree is 83 feet tall. decorated with 33,000 lights. they are energy efficient l.e.d.s, of course, in california. more than 1,000 ornaments and the drama of the subplot of this as we wait for the tree to be lit up here and you can see the fans -- >> getting readied. >> waving the lights. >> all the families. >> we are getting close here. there is a huge group of protesters trying to make their way to the tree lighting area. presumably to disrupt the fun and the black friday shopping. >> they started at justin herman plaza, made their way along market street and now they are being held back by police at the various entrances to union square. we saw a big group at stockton and gearry. trying to hold them back out of union square so they don't disrupt this wonderful holiday tree lighting happening in macy's union square, about to happen any second now, we think. >> if i'm macy's or the po

it's unions surviving. it's been reported and discovered a lot of protesters were not walmart employees. they were paid by the union. going after walmart, if you look at the facts, national retail pay is $11.39. the average hourly rate, not counting managers is $8.36. they are going after walmart because the private unions at 36%. they are under 7% right now. unions are dying in the private sector for a good reason. this is about union survival. >> the request from a walmart worker who is happy with her job. >> i can't tell you all, but walmart has been good to me. okay? i came here about a year ago. i started off as a customer service cashier, then a sales associate in electronics and then a manager within six months. >> what do you say to that worker? >> i'm happy to hear from that worker. equally, you will hear other workers not making a livable wage and when you don't have workers making a livable wage, that provides for an insecurity among the middle class and american workers and affects american pros

seceding from the union, and that resulted in maryland staying loyal to the union cause as well. so, fort mchenry was an important union fort during the civil war. i would also like to take you into a cell where we can also see where lincoln violated the constitution again. ironically, to help a confederate soldier. so, the cells we are about to walk past, this was solitary confinement during the civil war. suspected spies were kept here. you could almost look at this as the death row area of fort mchenry. there were three known executions here during the american civil war. i want to talk to about an execution that almost happened and it almost happened to the man who actually stayed in this specific cell. midway through the american civil war, an officer for the confederate, henry hall -- was arrested. he was arrested and put here at fort mchenry in this cell and accused of being a confederate spy. of course, that had the death penalty attached to it. he fully expected he would be executed by being hung after a few weeks or perhaps a few months. so you could imagine a mental an

the union armies have to conquer the south. they have to go through the south and eradicate those men who have come to power in the confederate government. they have to get them out of power. on the confederate side, if lee, davis, joe johnson out west, can bring home victories, what they can do is essentially win by drop your the democratic peace party can take our for her then by 1855, the confederacy can be an independent nation in and of itself. that is what they think. the confederates, in 1864, have very high hopes, hayek citations. -- high expectations but it was written that the spirit of both officers and men points to one .esolve, and that is success a texas officer serving in the same texas brigade wrote debts on the eve of the overland campaign, that if the people at home could only see the spirit of this army, i am confident confederate currency would appreciate the value and be worth as much as federal gold. high hopes that these people have in the south, still. yes, they have had setbacks. which was anooga, fanta

to become the policy of the union government in washington. in a span of several months, congress enacted legislation forbidding slavery in the territories in defiance of the dred scott ruling and ending slavery in washington, d.c. congress also passed an act which made possible the emancipation of slaves owned by confederates. and then on january 1, 1863, abraham lincoln issued the whichpation proclamation, declared all slaves in nonunion held areas of the confederacy forever free. every one of these policies instituted by lincoln and republicans constituted a gradual, methodical assault on the dred scott decision. particularly on the slavery part of that decision. by 1863, slavery was slowly losing its grip on the southern states in the midst of war. in the meantime, it looked in the background. the chief justice held a unique position as the only southerner on the court to be part of the dred scott majority who sympathized with the confederacy. five of the seven justices in the majority had been seven or's. -- had been southerners. justice

union. where will with the smaller colleges and universities find the money to do this. are these schools ready to make some difficult decisions such as cutting support to other athletic programs like lacrosse, field hockey or even raising tuition. and how will other policies affect our higher education system. are college campuses prepared for microunions and ambush elections, are they equipped to bargain with computing unions, will students be able to make a decision about joining a union in less than ten days while attending class and going to practice? these questions should be discussed before the students and administrators are forced to look at this. we share the concerns of players at that time progress is too slow. forming a union is not the answer. treating student athletes as something they are not is not the answer. the challenges facing student athletes should be addressed in a way that protects the athletic and academic integrity of higher education. the recent decision takes a

he was also a union general. during the time of this battle, stone returned two fugitive slaves to their master. for this action stone was chosen as the scapegoat. on the floor of the u.s. senate, he chastised stone for not freeing the slaves. some referred to his actions as vile and unconstitutional, outrage, indignity, abuse and an act unworthy of our national flag. now, stone replied in good 19th century fashion by challenging sumner to a duel. the duel never took place, but instead republicans and congress decided that they would use their powerful political influence to go after stone's personal reputation and military career. stone was hauled before the congressional committee on the conduct of the war, but neither he nor his lawyers were told why he had been brought in. and on the committee's recommendation, he was arrested by secretary of war edmond stanton's order and sent to fort lafayette in hamilton and new york harbor where he was imprisoned for six months. a newspaper howled with glee. one newspaper

they are left over from the days of the former soviet union.ight now, the self-declared people's republic is largely dependent on russia. another convoy has just arrived from moscow bringing badly needed food supplies. after months of fighting, most people in the city of den yes card dependent on outside aid. most of the elderly have not received their pensions for months. outside the municipal offices, the subject of new russia is on everyone's lips. only a few dare to express a contrary opinion. >> ukraine -- i don't want to live in russia. russia should leave us alone. i don't need new russia. ukraine is my homeland. i'm russian by origin, but this is my homeland. i love ukraine, and i want to live in ukraine. >> others quickly shout out their disagreement. "my parents built on yet," one lady cries. "who are you to give it away?" many others, young people especially, don't dare to voice a love of ukraine in republic. they face too many threats. and yes goes once a melting pot of different cultures. these days, most people here seem to have o

and it's not just the european union. united nations, the organization of security and cooperation in europe, they also say this is a farce, this is a bogus election in bogus conditions monitored by bogus groups. >> that's not necessarily how it's going to look, though to, the people in russia, is it? and, you know, in terms of looking back at what's happened in the last few days, the increasing fears about what russia is doing. you know, where are we would you say in terms of the tensions? >> i think most people in russia will see what the russian television will tell them about those elections, and the line from the russian television will be that this is a very democratic election, one of the most well-prepared -- i'm quoting -- elections ever. the turnout will be presented as the result of the will of the people. we cannot simply verify those things, but what is clear is this creates another frozen conflict. frozen conflict in part of ukraine where there's a huge military standoff with tens of thousands of people on b

a live look from union square in san francisco.y's tree lighting scheduled to happen. the event in the 25th year. the tree is 83 feet tall. decorated with 33,000 lights. they are energy efficient l.e.d.s, of course, in california. more than 1,000 ornaments and the drama of the subplot of this as we wait for the tree to be lit up here and you can see the fans -- >> getting readied. >> waving the lights. >> all the families. >> we are getting close here. there is a huge group of protesters trying to make their way to the tree lighting area. presumably to disrupt the fun and the black friday shopping. >> they started at justin herman plaza, made their way along market street and now they are being held back by police at the various entrances to union square. we saw a big group at stockton and gearry. trying to hold them back out of union square so they don't disrupt this wonderful holiday tree lighting happening in macy's union square, about to happen any second now, we think. >> if i'm macy's or the police i'm thinking i want to get

but this is what was coming out of the soviet union. ideologically it's hard to explain and not hard to empathize with people who said this is the real wave of the future. harry gold was one of these guys. when he lost his job in the great depression this is one of the first steps that led to radicalization. he is a courier later on for one of the most important atomic spy and he worked with rosenberg's ring. steve nelson is one of the most unknown of the atomic spy ring leaders. he was a primary recruiter for a lot of the university-based professors who were giving information to the soviet union. nelson was naturalized citizen. he wasn't a u.s. citizen to begin with. he spent time in spain in the spanish and the war. -- the spanish civil war. he was an american volunteer that fought alongside of the republicans in that time. he moved to russia for several years and returned to the united states in the early 1940's. be forewarned he was on the radar the minute he walked back in country. he was not somebody who was able to sneak back in

one reason was the union army occupied that land. if rosecrans had done nothing else, if he had just done his service and then died or resigned, he would be an important but minor figure of the war. he was replaced in west virginia by john c fremont. fremont was the first republican domine for president in 1856. he had been in missouri in 1861. he was an ardent abolitionist, as far as generals went. he was always popular with the more radical element of the republican party, and i don't think it is stretching it to say it was a political dimension to him replacing rosecrans. he had voted for stephen a douglas. so where does rosecrans go? he goes to northeastern mississippi. he fights first under henry hallock and when hallock comes to washington, he fights under ulysses s. grant. two battles. the second was the battle of karen. these are in northeast mississippi. most people have heard of shiloh. these are south of shiloh. i'm going to talk about corinth first. he said the effect was very great. it was indeed a decisive blow to the c

the palmetto state damages the union blockader. the jacora takes on a large steamer called the keystone state. and i have to do this. i'm sorry. i have to do this story. side-wheel vessels do not make the best warships, because you can imagine, you know -- >> i knew he was going to work it in. >> i have to do this. and like comedians, historians steal from other historians, so i have to say i'm stealing this from craig simmons. but the first warships, the united states and most nations had, were side-wheel vessels. you have these side wheels. of course, if you hit a side wheel, it was a shot. it hurts. you can't do much. the jacora damaged the keystone state's paddle wheel. so the keystone state is coming along, loses a paddle wheel, so it's kind of going like -- [laughter] the jacora was so slow, she could not catch the one paddle of the keystone state. [laughter] but, again, they could take on wooden vessels. and if wooden vessels could get into the harbor, they would be fairly formidable. they had very good armament. called broo

but by 1862, union policy changed. largely because of pressure exerted by african americans, but also because of the republican belief that liberating slaves helped the union cause, emancipation started to become the policy of the union government in washington. in a span of several months, congress inenacted legislation forbidding -- slavery. congress also passed an act which made possible the emancipation of slaves by confederates. declared all slaves in areasu combine -- union free. everyone of these policies instituted by lincoln and republicans constituted a gradual, methodical assault on the dred scott decision. particularly on the slavery part of that decision. by 1863, slavery was slowly losing its grip on the southern states in the midst of war. meantime, tony it looked in the background. the chief justice held a unique position as the only southerner on the court to be part of the dred scott majority who sympathized with the confederacy. five of the seven justices in the majority had been seven or's. virginia

the unions especially the machinists union, have tried to gain toehold, even with tiny 30-person groups takes those efforts very seriously because they see them as being chips that could be laid out for future efforts. you could say this particular one, even though it was not anything big -- just one employee in an arizona warehouse who complained about the fact that he was reprimanded allegedly, for complaining about lack of security in the parking lot, which affects a lot of people in the warehouse. he also complained about these overbroad policies. you could say that is not really a victory because amazon back down but you could say it is a nice toehold for unionization efforts because it shows that, with one person come and minimal effort they got the mighty amazon to capitulate in certain respects. that is a nice toehold. in part, you can see past effort is unsuccessful in this one being a little more successful. but i do not want to sound to austin -- optimistic on any front. >> why does amazon have rules that won't let someone talk about parking lot security for fear of his job,

if i succeed, i will, as i've said, campaign to keep our country in a reformed european union. if our concerns fall on deaf ears, and we cannot put our relationship with the eu on a better footing, then of course, i rule nothing out. but i am confident that with good will and understanding, we can and we will succeed. and at the end of the day, whatever happens, the final decision will be yours. when you place your cross on the ballot paper in the referendum to decide whether britain remains in the european union or not, that decision is for you, for the british people, and for you alone. >> david cameron talking just a short while ago in england. with me is the bbc's uk political correspondent rob watson. a very interesting speech, actually, because it wasn't with a you would call an anti-immigrant rant in any shape or form, but he's talking about the need for control. where does he get that control from? >> you're absolutely right. not an anti-immigrant rant. and of course, we're obliged to just pick out a clip, but what was really striking about the speech was that it was in

here's a list of the casualties here, both union and confederate. going to have to get my glasses to read this. so the union is about 35,000, and the confederate is about 33,000. this is -- it's just huge. grant had come in to this position in march. with the nickname of unconditional surrender grant. u.s. grant. unconditional surrender grant. after this campaign, his nickname changes. to grant the butcher. lincoln is also held responsible for this. there's an editor in wisconsin who won't call lincoln lincoln anymore. he won't call lincoln the president anymore. he only refers to lincoln as the widowmaker, or the orphanmaker. and that's the only way that he refers to lincoln. and what do we have to show for this horrendous blood letting? precious little. grant winds up in a siege in petersburg just south of richmond. he'll be in that siege for roughly the next nine months. things don't look that good for the other armies of the union forces, either. in georgia, sherman is stuck outside of atlanta in another siege. in louisiana, the army there is si

the macy's and union square set for 6:45 p.m. it did go off without a hitch. >> reporter: you see all the protesters by the neman moderate markets and the louis baton part of union square indecency the police forming aligned try to keep hundreds of demonstrators from getting to union square to perhaps this what the tree lighting. you saw protesters with bullhorns tried to drown out people that ours were singing christmas carols. >> reporter: you had some people stating black friday doesn't matter black lives matter. when bills were reportedly damaged as well but nothing like what we saw in monday or tuesday and back in oakland where the was damage widespread. >> reporter: protesters on the move in the mission. >> pam: coming up tonight at 830 proposed protesters in other parts of the country are also taking their our rage to the stores on of this black friday. >> pam: as grant and mention the huge crowd and packed it of been in square tree lighting ceremony and philippe de gaulle is their life where the streets are filled busy sh

i will say this, when we sit around on this network and talk about unions, denigrate all unions, there is a reason why there are unions for jobs like this. these are very, very, labor intensive scary jobs. you need some sort of a way to make sure your workers are not taken advantage. i'm not saying these guys were. that's why there are coal miners worker unions. my dad was iron worker union is you get a union lesson out of this. >> this is why, because that is the work they do, that the private sector unions are starting to get so angry with the public unions. >> you're right about that. >> who don't -- get more benefits and more job security. >> i agree. >> we all agree. >> that is definitely it. my old man, my dad was a democrat but was a reagan democrat. why was he a reagan democrat? he saw the way the republican party denigrating men like this, a lot of them were veterans. they did not get the same benefits as you got, if you went to work pushing paper up in albany. >> right. >> there is the difference. these guys do very dangerous jobs and i just, you know, our thoughts and prayer

stays in the european union? airlineof what your does is it benefits from open skies in europe. >> evocative i have been alive for 40 years the british have had this in or out attitude to europe. ultimately if it comes to a vote, i suspect an economic argument will win. yes europe needs to be reformed. ultimately, i don't see the u.k. leading. if they do people will split -- and italy go to spain on holidays. nothing is going to not unlikely change, the scottish independent referendum. people will continue to fly on ryanair. >> great to have the conversations. >> it is 10 minutes past seven here in london. you can join our conversation on twitter. i am not sure if michael o'leary is there. he has dabbled in the dark arts. we look at the investigation of the latest news. stay with us. >> time for company news. the publicist group is by the american digital marketing company for 3.7 billion dollars. it is an all cash transaction worth $25 a share. they are planning to raise capital to plug the 2.1 billion euro shor

to, drive offhad the union fleet. one idea was, we have to come up with torpedo boats, and use the torpedoes as an offensive weapon, ram them into enemy vessels, sink the vessels, and once the union fleet is gone we can recapture morris island. he hired, you may be familiar with him, francis d. lee, one of the architects of charleston, was designing an army torpedo boat called "the torch." it did not do very well. she went out. what inspired this, there were bounties on union vessels. wasbiggest union ironclad the " ides."-- "new irons she had a $100,000, to sink the "new ironsides." they came close. it's a great story. wabash, the flagship of the u.s. fleet, $100,000. a monitor, $50,000. you could always find crew members to go out. gold,ys heard it was in which was preferred. around $25money, million if you sank the new ironsides. the company put out these bounties. >> before we get to the final bombardment, we need to talk aobut the blockade -- about the blockade runners. part of that, once battery wagner goes, wha

the irony is many union workers under union contracts negotiated by the union make about the same amounting. now, the scrutiny, however, is on walmart and the media attention. some of the people you see in green here are actually walmart workers taking the day off. others are members of the union who have been bussed in from here around the country and long beach as well as atlanta, chicago, washington, d.c., demonstrations there as well. the argument is that the founders of walmart are rich and they have a duty to give their workers more. they pay for health care benefits to increased hours and pay at least $15 an hour. >> how could anybody survive on $12 to live and eat? i was starving. i've lost 60 pounds in less than a year and i'd beg for more hours and they'd say follow your schedule, we can't do anything about it, with a snicker. and that's why i stand up and that's why i fight. >> reporter: but is anyone listening? walmart says perception is not reality. they had 22 million shoppers as of this morning. people coming in to buy 65-inch televisions for $650. they had an awesome black f

they want to become a bigger union, be allowed to have more members, negotiate for them. of course, they have in the back of their minds that there is legislation on the way that might threaten gdl's very existence. that is possibly why this fight is so fierce. >> thank you very much for that. time now for some business news. it has been an offbeat day for europe's equity markets after the last -- lackluster performance. stocks bounced back. our financial reporter in frankfurt sent us a summary of the days trading. >> in the past, nearly always, after american midterm elections, stock markets rose during the following months on average by 8% during the three months after the election, and this not with ending which party won. that's why this wednesday, the day after the election in the u.s., stop our kids were higher also here in europe, also here in germany. adding to this come the majority of earnings reports coming in managed to beat analyst expectations. for example, several companies all reported not so bad earnings over the summer months, and they all had positive o

in a decisive union victory. he shares pieces from the collection related to the battle to illustrate different aspects of the fighting. the national park service hosted this hour and 10 minute event. >> i am going to introduce our speaker, warren perry. he is originally from memphis, tennessee. he has a graduate degree in medieval literature and from the catholic university. his one-man play, walt whitman and the civil war. and he cowrote elvis, which received the bronze award from forward magazine in 2010. in his 12 years at the national portrait gallery, he wrote over 200 articles for print and the web. more than 40 on the american civil war. he received one of the secretary research prizes for 2013 for the smithsonian congress of scholars. we are very proud of him. he is founder and director of the perry library of theater. i would like to introduce amy bracewell, the site manager and she is going to make a few remarks and then we'll have warren come up here. thank you. >> thank you. i would like to thank you

in addition, it brought thousands of courageous blacks into the union army. another biographer considers the preliminary and final versions of the proclamation, the two most important proclamations ever penned by a president of the united states. despite their hearty support of lincoln's policy concerning emancipation and his use of the war powers in his office against confederate sympathizers in the north, two biographers go out of their way to ensure readers that the president was no radical. raymond, no mod call himself, claims that lincoln consistently stood up to radical republicans as well as to democratic copperheads while pursuing a moderate course. his policy has been from the outset a timp rate one, says raymond, as all policies of government to be successful must always be. thare echoes this sentiment declare that lincoln with two violent factions on almost every question pressing their respective claims has pursued an even handed course that has disarmed their animosity and resulted in greater harmony. campaign biographers are quick to point out t

the machinist union has tried to gain toehold.mazon takes those toehold efforts very seriously because they see them as being chips that could be laid out for future effort. you can say this particular one even though it was not anything big -- this was one employee in an arizona warehouse that complain about the fact that he was reprimanded allegedly for complaining about lack of security in the parking lot which affects a lot of people in the warehouse and their security. he also complain about these overbroad policies. you can say that is not really a victory and even though they settled it. you can say it is a nice toehold for unionization efforts because it shows with one person and minimal effort, they got the mighty amazon to capitulate in certain respects. that is a nice toehold. you can see past efforts being unsuccessful and this being a little more successful. i don't want to sound too optimistic. >> wide as amazon -- why does amazon have roles that they can't let a guy talk about parking lot security? >> they are very

republican governors are winning elections despite unions. on why union guys like him are happy. joe. neil: so the consensus is we'll see a lot more union crack downs. right? because republican governors with hard fought union battles are winning their seats across-the-board particularly in wisconsin where scott walker was reelected after a vicious fight with unions. union worker joe ligotti is happy with these results. joe, this could be bad forrunions. why are you happy? >> neil, today for the victory i think for america. i'm happy because, neil, i think that america, you know, the pendulum was swung so far to the left with the workkng people like myself and my wife and other families that are working 40, 50 hours a week anddour paychecks are shrinking smaller and smaller so i think we were tired of waiting for the white house and congress' democratic plans that they keep telling us, hey, we're for the working people. now democrats seem to stand up for people that don't work. i really think we'll have a little balance here and i ttink people voted with their conscience, their f

a group of california teachers some of the teachers union for using union dues for political lobbyingone of those teachers joins us now. very good to have you with us. given the broad outlines here, you don't like the way the teacher unions spend your union dues on politics, to want that to and and you want your money back. i believe under the law you can say i don't want to spend my union dues on this clinical activity and you can get your money back, you can opt out of that can't you? >> actually our lawsuit is about getting teachers right to decide for themselves whether to fund a union at all. what is going on a teacher's are being trampled in the united states by laws that force us to find these unions and refunded the policies and politics whether we agree with them or not. so we are funding not only over political activity, but also funding collective-bargaining, which is largely political as well. you mentioned the opportunity. stuart: so we said initially you want your money back because the union dues have been used for political folks which you don't approve of. but in fact

union. where will with the smaller colleges and universities find the money to do this. are these schools ready to make some difficult decisions such as cutting support to other athletic programs like lacrosse, field hockey or even raising tuition. and how will other policies affect our higher education system. are college campuses prepared for microunions and ambush elections, are they equipped to bargain with computing unions, will students be able to make a decision about joining a union in less than ten days while attending class and going to practice? these questions should be discussed before the students and administrators are forced to look at this. we share the concerns of players at that time progress is too slow. forming a union is not the answer. treating student athletes as something they are not is not the answer. the challenges facing student athletes should be addressed in a way that protects the athletic and academic integrity of higher education. the recent decision takes a