earlier we spoke, i spoke to scott lucas, who was a professor of politics at university college dublin, and he says, thomas lawyers don't want this trial to start before the elections. i have no doubt that the props lawyers will provide the delays. this trial. that's what trump has done for years, and all of these cases, whether it's over his business and its practices, whether it's over the civil search, including the one earlier this year where he was finally convicted, a sexual assault in order to pay damages, including the criminal indictments that of already from whether it be over the pay just $40.00 daniels the porn star, or whether it be over the self to classify documents. but of course, in this case, given the gravity of the charge, the trop effectively try to overturn the election and the overturn the system. the lawyers don't want this trial to occur before you get the election in november 2024 . here's what trucks hope is, is that when he becomes president, if his eyes be january 2025, the points his own officials to take over the justice department and then they can stop

we're joined by scott lucas, professor of politics at university college dublin, and he's joining his line from bending and, and as you k. very good to see you, mr. lucas. when you look in just how serious these charges are, and how far they allege donald trump went over to the presidential election result . what do you think has defense could be, you know, i, his lawyers have already indicated that as you've heard in your package, there are that they're going to make a free speech to fax. that donald trump is allowed to say, as an american citizen, as well as the president whenever he wants to about the election. the problem with that difference is that the indictment actually acknowledges that there is no issue here regarding free speech subtraction comment on the election. what the legal chase is, is that trump in making those comments, no waiting place. and the key phrase here is knowing what yeah, lied about the election to commit a fraud by claiming that there was massive electro fraud. and in so doing, he committed his own fraud. he conspire to defraud the united states by link

k, we are joined by scott lucas, a professor of us and international politics at the university college dublin. and the editor of e, a world view and online news sites, so warm, welcome to all of you. what i want to start with you. what was the 1st thing you thought? when you heard of this deal, when you heard that it had come together, a good deal was supposed to happen the few months ago. and it was about time. i think the last time this was supposed to happen. united states decided by the administration decided not to go to it for different reasons, which i'm not, i is why it didn't happened last time, but i'm happy that it's happened. we have a number of families, 5 in it, on 5 in the united states that have quite a top feed. they're going to get their loved ones back in the ends are going to get some of the money that belong to them. back and country is like south korea and iraq to especially rockstead savannah facing difficulties paying get on back for the things they got from either on or going to be able to clear those accounts. i think besides these ideas and those are many channels.

court island fisher, i'll just say to washington, scott lucas is a professor of politics at university college dublin, and he says, thomson lawyers don't want this trial to start before the elections. i have no doubt that prompts lawyers will try to delay this trial. that's what trump has done for years. and all of these cases, whether it's over his business and its practices, whether it's over the civil search, including the one earlier this year where he was finally convicted the central assault in order to pay damages, including the criminal indictments that have already come. whether it be over the payment just for mcdaniels, the porn star, or whether it be over the south, declassified documents. but of course, in this case, do you have the gravity of the charge? the trop effectively tried to overturn the election and the overturn the system. the. busy years don't want this trial to occur before you get the election in november 2024. because what trucks hope is, is that when he becomes president, if his eyes be january 2025 year points, his own officials to take over the justice department and th

. >> well, let's speak to professor of us and international politics at the university college dublin you, professor. yeah, look, let's start, we? first of all, start, shall we? first of all, with his defence, which be with his defence, which will be that is a political witch that this is a political witch hunt. will he be able to hunt. how will he be able to make argument in the face make that argument in the face of the evidence? already of the evidence? that's already in domain, which we in the public domain, which we can show our audience, can quickly show our audience, which recording of this which is this recording of this phone in which he phone conversation in which he appears don't have appears to be, oh, we don't have that , i'm being told. that recording, i'm being told. well, it's oh, we do have it stand by viewers and listeners . stand by viewers and listeners. this is the recording in which he to be putting he appears to be putting pressure those are pressure on those who are counting in the state counting the votes in the state of let's take a listen. of georgia. let's

. >> well, let's talk to professor of us and international politics at university college dublin, professorott. i mean, look, as always, scott. i mean, look, is it fair to say, as our guests have said this morning, that this is just, you know, an unprecedented and actually very poorly hidden political witch hunt ? well well, i know the hunt? well well, i know the trump camp will come out and use that attack like a witch hunt, including with you folks. >> they did it with the first set of indictments over for trump's falsification of business records. back in april. they did it with the indictments in june about trump's mishandling of classified documents . they'll do it again documents. they'll do it again today because they don't want people to stick with the facts and with the legal case. they'll want to play politics with you. so let's deal with the facts, shall what the 45 page shall we? what the 45 page indictment sets out with the evidence is the claim, which will have to be proven in trial that donald trump and an inner circle of co—conspirators , six circle of co—conspirators, six o

let's speak to the professional professor of international politics at the university college dublin.r scott lucas. a very good morning to you. thanks for joining us so early in the morning, you couldn't make it up. it just seems as though everybody is trying to is trying to score points off each other and by going for the children and by by going for the children of the president, for heaven's sake , what's going on? can you sake, what's going on? can you explain to us i mean, i think it's really important. >> and as you just noted, that you've got to cut through political manipulation and a lot of political distortion to get to the legal facts of the case, the legal facts are, is that this spring there was a plea bargain presented to a court in which hunter biden would plead guilty to failing to pay taxes. he did pay back taxes and penalties of more than $1 million. but there was going to be a misdemeanour charge for his initial, let's say , negligence initial, let's say, negligence initial, let's say, negligence in paying paying his bills. then there was a second charge, which was