and in pretoria, kylie bo ha, putting a, a professor of african politics at the university of south africa a we'll welcome to interview joe to 90. i'd like to start with you. let's cut to the chase. is a full month for administer. you know, well, very well the machinations of diplomacy. so before we get to the nitty gritty of jordan's position, generally, how serious do you think that all these diplomatic withdrawals of israel should israel will israel paid them as a warning? i wouldn't make any difference as to how they proceed. do you think i a function, they are little bit concerned about them, but probably they will not just see with this cut on the government from continuing with the same uh with the same um genocide that it is now practicing so far. we just have the from nothing now that he is going to take care of all the security and gets that for an indefinite period of time. this is just a life with the multiple life, but the, another word for, for a quick occupation. and so therefore, instead of uh, allowing me, the 1st thing is the free them to have their own state is now contr