england, the 2nd largest city, stefan wolf, is a professor of international security at the university of fleming. and she's usually in the ukrainian port of odessa box. joining us today from london is kind of celeste, security studies program director at the non governmental unless call center ukrainian prism of a boom. welcome to all of you. how does today mark's not that grim milestone for the people of ukraine? how is the 2nd of us we have the full scale invasion being recognized that and ukraine and what's the mood amongst people? the a you know, they move very complicated to be guessing the want, how do you have the determination of the people to continue or defend things they are allowed to fighting for their freedom and serenity. as we finally realized, that is the 2nd ceiling, the understanding that these were, is not a short war. and that unfortunately the demands from the kremlin are becoming just more and more so realistic. and the search feeling is the southern tiredness last one is because do leave 2 years out of the cost of stress onto the cost of stress on to the cost on to shelli