decision to kill usama bin laden rather than to capture him. >> the operation in which usama bin laden was killed was lawful. he was the head of al-qaida an organization that had conducted the attacks of september the 11th. he admitted his involvement, as you indicate he said he would not be taken alive. the operation against usama bin laden was justified as an abt of national self-defense. he was by my estimation, and the estimation of the justice department a lawful military target and the operation was conducted in way that is consistent with our law, with our values. if he had surrendered i think -- i think we should obviously have accepted that. there was no indication that he wanted to do that, and therefore his killing was appropriate. martha: all right. there are so many interesting things within that piece of sound from eric holder that we want to sort of get to. i'm joined now by david rick man a constitutional law attorney and former white house kho*upb under reagan and george h. bush. good to have you today. we are going to talk about whether or not it was right to kill usa

the navy seals who killed usama bin laden. tonight, why we will likely never know their names . >>> this is ktvu channel 2 action news at 5:00. >>> you are looking at serious fire power that police seized during a raid in east bay. but that is not all they took. millions in illegal drugs, as well as capturing a number of suspects considered very dangerous and ruthless. we learned among those arrested was a suspected gang leader they have been after for sometime. >> reporter: frank, we are here across from the san pablo police headquarters because this is where it all started. a two-year operation that caught a gang leader that police have wanted for year. 135 pounds of meth worth 7 million, assault weapons, handguns, bullet proof vests, all taken in what law enforcement calls a potentially significant blow to an international crime ring. >> it ended in the execution of 30 federal and state search warrants throughout contra costa county. >> reporter: many were arrested on meth sales and distribution. chief among them, abate, wh

two al-qaeda workers, one unidentified woman, one of usama bin laden's sons and usama bin laden helps himself were all killed. congressional officials say that key evidence was found on his body, with money and telephones sewn into his clothes. the cash is worth about 745 u.s. dollars, they say the cash was probably there in case he needed to take off quickly. one of usama bin laden's daughters say she watched the navy seals shoot and kill her father. the pakistani officials are talking to other people found inside the compound. the daughter is 12 or 13 years old. one of usama bin laden's wives was also captured. intelligence officials tell cnn she is a 29-year-old citizen. our coverage continues on line at ktvu.com. you can learn how they stormed the compound. we have information on that. just click on the usama bin laden tab. >>> and back live to san francisco, where firefighters are fighting at this hour, a three alarm fire, in the area of russ and folsom in the south of market neighborhood. we have been showing you since the top of the news cast, the fire began at about 5:30 or 5:

, almost ten years after his horrific attack on america, navy seals team 6 was face-to-face with usama bin laden. well, the process that led to the location of the world's most wanted terrorist started eight years ago. here to reveal how we found bin laden, former cia operative and fox news contributor, mike baker. [applause]. >> mike:. good to have you here. and tell me what had to happen in the process of collecting intelligence for a mission like this to happen from the cia and intelligence side. >> what has to happen is a lot of painstaking, labor intensive, grinding work and luck, too, i don't know of any operation that didn't have some piece of luck. you referred to in the opening package the courier. >> mike: yeah. >> the courier was the key to this, this whole operation and think about what led us to that 40-some odd minutes in abbottabad that allowed the seals to take this terrific operation was an eight-year marathon. an investigative and intelligence process that started in a small detention center, when a detainee referred to the courier and the interrogates are going about the

new details emerging about the raid at usama bin laden's hideout and those two couriers who were hiding with him and his family, as well as some of the items found on bin laden that show he was ready to run. we're also just getting new details on what went on in the situation room at the white house as the assault was underway. jennifer griffin, live at the pentagon with those details for us. jennifer. >> reporter: well, jon, we've just spoken to a u.s. official who has seen the photographs of bin laden's dead body and the source described to us what it looked like. essentially, what you can see in the photograph is a large open wound to the forehead. you can actually see brain matter in the picture, we're told. we're also told that one of bin laden's eyes is open, one is completely gone. you cannot see the exit wound in the back of the head, we're told, or the chest wound, but again, one of the reasons the white house is taking so much time in deciding whether to release the photos is the gruesome nature of it. the person who saw the photo told us that you -- that bin laden is easily r

said on tuesday they have not seen sufficient evidence to convince them that the al-qaida leader usama bin laden is dead. there is still speculation that he is very much alive. the other concern, though, is if you release these photographs it would just feed the fuel of bin laden becoming a martyr. also if you release the photos they would be subject to all kinds of photo shopping and manipulation leading to all kinds of conspiracy theories that may exist whether or not you release the photos. that is certainly consideration that the white house is pondering at this point, jon. by the way one more thing, we spoke to peter king at fox news just about half an hour ago who says he's talked to somebody who has seen his death photos of usama bin laden's face. here is his reaction to them. >> i've spoken to people who have seen the photos. they say while you do see the bullet wound in the face, there is a swelling much the face it was not a horribly tkpwr-rbgs ross photo. >> reporter: you have not seen it. >> i have not seen it. i've spoken to folks, they say it's not that bad. i believe the pho

yesterday that all the men at the compound had been killed, that included the two couriers, the son of usama bin laden, and bin laden himself. that is unusual for someone who is as wanted as usama bin laden. we are also learning more details about the information that they found at the compound. it does include as we reported yesterday hard drives and computer hardware. that information has been flowing back to cia headquarters at language lee since yesterday. the information has been downloaded and being transferred since yesterday. more of it is still underway being transferred. it was taken to a hangar in afghanistan, i'm told, just in the same way that bin laden's body was taken to afghanistan after the raid before taken onto the uss carl vincent. those hard drives are being looked at and transferred very quickly back to langley where hundreds of analysts are shifting through the information provided. we understand they are under a great deal of pressure to move kwaoeubg lee on the intelligence, analyze it. see if any of it is actionable. i have a quote from a u.s. official that is quite stu

and it was such a complete repudiation of usama bin laden and bin ladennism, i think it's pretty fittingt it happened. i think it's also part of the white house message that bin ladennism is in the past. and the arab spring proved that. >> chris: paul? >> it shakes up the war in a fundamental way, too, in pakistan. because this gives us an opening to work with pakistan to say look, we can make the cross border raids, and if you're not going to cooperate with omar and you know where he is -- and all of our intelligence people believe they know where he is. if you don't cooperate going after the khani network based in afghanistan, crosses the border, this can happen again. the pakistanis have had an embarrassment, frankly there is a chance here where we could really use this to advance our ability to really do a lot more and a lot better in afghanistan. >> chris: yeah, but, you know, juan, it was interesting, one of the few areas that both tom donilon, the president national security advisor and dick cheney agreed on, yeah, we're unhappy with pakistan, but there are real sharp limits to ho

coming from a pakistani official telling fox news that they have heard from one of the wives of usama bin laden who they had in custody right now, they have her saying that bin laden was there for 5-6 years, that he never left the house, that from time to time, however, he would have visitors. as you noted, jon, today, here in islamabad and across the country, pakistanis using the excuse or the occasion of friday prayers and then protests after that to express their anger about usama bin laden's killing at the hands of u.s. navy seals. one final note, jon, some breaking news that we found out about in the past hour or so, 40 arrests announced today in abbottabad by pakistani security officials. they claim these 40 individuals, suspects, have ties with usama bin laden. they claim this is a follow-on to the capture and kill operation led by the united states, the people who have been watching pakistani's -- pakistan's government activities in the last couple of days, it's a little like piling on, like getting a little piece of this counterterrorism action, but we'll find out more about thes

essentially they are confirming that they believe usama bin laden is dead. martha: jennifer, thank you so much. so word leaked out laid yesterday that documents found in the bin laden compound suggested a possible terror attack on our rail lines. adding to the security concerns already familiar to fliers and travelers out there. in 2010 homeland security allocated $300 million for rail security. as of march, amtrak employs 451 police and security personnel. as of december the tsa had 963 employees. most of those are believed to be those security screeners that you see when you come in and out of the airport. so we'll see how the security is stepped up in light of all of this. in the meantime one of usama bin laden's wives is painting a picture of what life was like living with the world's most wanted man. saying they basically spent five years inside that walled compound cut off literally from the rest of the world. never coming and going. reportedly telling pakistan security she literally never stepped outside the towering walls of that complex. basically a

some are asking themselves, usama bin laden is dead, the al qaeda narrative is becoming increasingly there is a new wave sweeping through the middle east that puts a premium on individual rights, freedom and dignity. al qaeda, bin laden, old news. now is the time to move forward. we are hoping this will send a message to those individuals out there that terrorism and militantsy is not the way of the future. >> this is a strategic blow to al qaeda. it is a necessary, but not necessarily sufficient blow to lead to its demise. we have a better opportunity now that bin laden is out of there to create fractures within it. number two, al-zawahiri is not charismatic. he was not involved in the fight early on in afghanistan. i think he has a lot of detractors within the organization. i think you will see them eating themselves from within more and more. >> there are reports there was a replica of the come pond. can you tell us where and how that was put together? >> for something as important as this and something as risky as this. every effort would be made to do the practice runs, understan

talking a little politics now, the latest job approval numbers show the president after the killing of usama bin laden, look at politics and this administration and as they move towards the 2012 election. how long do they stay around? what does this say about the biggest topic -- topics yet ahead. >> firefighters rushing to save a man from a massive attack by insects? an incredible story for you, just ahead.

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with the take down of usama bin laden are you worried that support for a u.s. role in afghanistan is beginning to dry up? >> yes. i am worried. i am greatly worried. it isn't so much that bin laden, taking him out, as it is that americans are war-weary. americans see all this money that we've spent. they see the president of afghanistan appearing ungrateful. they see the government of pakistan, you know, in a very aggressive fashion in many ways toward us. there are continued relations with the hakani network and others. but we've also got to remember that it was afghanistan where the 9/11 attacks began. if taliban and then al-qaeda take over in afghanistan we could see a very, very serious threat to the united states national security. remember, the russians, after the russians left we got out completely. so we shouldn't ignore the lessons of history. >> chris: but how about the argument. >> military there is significant success on the ground. it's tough and it's hard, as general petraeus predicted, but i've seen this movie before. it was in 2007 that the same

you flooded us with e-mails objecting to juan williams' comment last sunday about the murder of usama bin phelps sent this -- >> chris: pete agreed -- >> chris: please keep your comments coming. you can find us at foxnewssunday.com. now a quick program note. next week, our "2012: one on one" series continues when we sit down with potential presidential candidate, businessman herman cain. that is it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." captioned by closed captioning services, inc

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want to offer my thoughts and prayers to the thousands of families whose loved ones were killed in usama bin ladin's campaign of terror and violence, from the embassy bombings in africa, to the strike on the u.s.s. cole, to the attacks of september 11, 2001, and so many more. these were not just attacks against americans, although we suffered grievous losses, these were attacks against the whole world. in london and madrid, bali, istanbul, and many other places, innocent people -- most of them muslims -- were targeted in markets and mosques, in subway stations, and on airplanes, each attack motivated by a violent ideology that holds no value for human life or regard for human dignity. i know that nothing can make up for the loss of the victims or fill the voids they left, but i hope their families can now find some comfort in the fact that justice has been served. second, i want to join the president in honoring the courage and commitment of the brave men and women who serve our country and have worked tirelessly and relentlessly for more than a decade to track down and bring usama bin ladin

the united states has conducted an operation that killed usama bin laden, leader of al qaeda, a terrorist who is responsible for the murder of thousands of men, women, and children. it was 10 years ago when a bright september day was darkened by the worst attack on -- in american history. hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless september sky and the twin towers collapsing to the ground. black smoke coming up from the pentagon and the crash in pennsylvania where the actions of roach citizens saved us from more heartbreak and destruction. the images that were unseen to the world, the empty seat at the dinner table, children who were forced to grow up without their mother or father, parents who would know their feeling of their child's embrace. nearly 3000 citizens were taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts. on september 11, 2001, our time of grief, the american people came together. we offered our neighbors a hand. we reaffirmed our ties to each other and our love of community and country. that day, no matter where we came from, what god we prayed to come up what race or et

last night marked one week since the operation against usama bin laden. the man who orchestrated the horrific attack on this city nearly 10 years ago. and bringing justice to bin laden was an important moment for america and i think for all of the free world but the challenges that lie ahead here at home remain formidable and i'm grateful for the opportunity to share my thoughts tonight on how we need to address those challenges together as a nation. i came to be speaker by way of small business as andrew pointed out. before i ran for congress i ran a small business in westchester, ohio, new sight sales. we were manufacturers representatives in the plastic and packaging industries. as andrew mentioned my first life experience in small business wasn't in my business but it was mopping floors, doing dishes, waiting tables at my father's bar in cincinnati, ohio. my grandfather started this place in the '30s. my dad and his brothers ran it for decades and my sister ran it for 20 years thereafter. so it would be fair to say that i'm not from around here. i com

we'll look for reaction to the killing of usama bin laden.ng comments from majority leader or minority leader mitch mcconnell. they turn to judicial nominations today. that will happen at 4:30 eastern. we'll have it for you live here on c-span it 2. u.s. house meets at 2:00 eastern. the senate will look at two bills naming federal buildings. repealing two provisions in the health care law and blocking federal funds for abortion. live house coverage is on c-span. canadians are voting today on a new government. prime minister stephen harper has been in power since 2006. he has won two elections but never with a ma jort of parliament's 308 seats. if he doesn't get it this time the opposition parties are expected to try to form a coalition government. we'll have live coverage of the election results from the cbc tonight starting at 10:00 eastern here on c-span2. >> the private sector and the government coming together to push innovation makes all the sense in the world. >> the ceo of walmart sad down recently for a conversation with "the wall str

in the wake of usama bin laden's death, many media outlets that report a drone strike is what killedhim. as the first commandant from the marine corps from the aviation community wonder where you see the role of marine aviation going specifically with uavs and the marine corps shadow tactical system coming into play in both afghanistan and other conflicts there? >> make sure i have got your question right. first avery eight tore command did, aviator. commandant. i'm just a marine. what do i see the role of marine aviation in the future? was that your question? >> shadow tactical system. >>> what was the last part of that? >> shadow tactical system. >> uavs. >> i think it is interesting when we crossed the border in 2003 i was a wing commander on the ground and we had about 435 airplanes and probably about 60 of those were forerunner of shadowy was the pioneer and boy, i'll tell you what. i had limited experience at unmanned aerial systems and i quickly fell in love with them. i mean i had, we were able to use these things and i think all of us, thank all the service, even our nation