all the way back to wilson and fdr lew the kennedy administration and on to today with valorie jarrett. it is always something like that like and always good for the president because he has ultimate judgment. and it is a good thing. >> carl rove, but also chiefs of staff. not necessarily troika. >> protocol is thrown out the window now. you have a businessman in the white house who's not going to worry about what the press is saying. and i think the american people asked for that. so it's refreshing. he's going make it fun to watch politics again for all of us covering it. [laughter ] >> are we having fun yet? >> all the talk, donald trump pushing back on "new york times" reporters saying look, things are going incredibly smoothly. everything is great with the transition. mike rogers who left yesterday who i talked to yesterday said look there are clearly some issues. he believes it is going to get worked out. he wouldn't go as far as to say knife fight or anything. but he said there are clearly some issues. >> there are clearly some issues. i had heard wednesday morning there is goin

obama's senior advisor and that would limit her role and 17 chiefs of staff later or whatever valorie jarrett was still there. so i think you saw some change there. but no, chief of staff manages the staff, does the hiring. it's very specific is it is not what we've seen in the trump world. i i've had a couple of people say to me what you know about titles throw it out. those don't mean anything to us. i think you are going to find some structures are far more permanent than they realize. >> kellyanne conway during the campaign, i guess was campaign director -- manager as official title. but in a way she was sort of chief spokes person she was on camera far more than any campaign manager. >> right. she was not out with the candidate really at all. except a time or two. and david bossie was the one inside actually putting together a lot of the strategy about how to run it. but kellyanne conway did what donald trump wanted her to do. that was to be on camera. >> title didn't matter. >> exactly. >> jeffrey? you worked in the white house. what do you think -- >> i think it is a great idea. what t