you had issues with colonel venman's judgment, is that right? >> it is, sir. >> you had problems with who he said what? >> yes, sir. >> dr. hilliard told you that she had concerns about colonel venm venman's judgment, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> colonel venman did not always adhere to the chain of command, is that right? >> i believe so, yes, sir. >> you believed colonel venman accessed information outside of his lane? >> i stated there were those who were concerned, yes, sir. >> you said colonel venman was not on certain trips, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> you said colleagues expressed concerns to you about colonel venman leaking information, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> when i asked colonel venman why he didn't go to you with his concerns about the call even though you had no concerns about anything being, i think your language was, nothing improper, nothing illegal on the call. i asked general venman why he went to the lawyers, his brother, secretary kent and one other person that he wouldn't tell us and chairmanship wouldn't allow him

the first witness is alexander venman and jennifer williams, both were on the july 25th call centralhind closed doors that the president's call was unusual and concerning. and venman said there was no doubt the president demanded an investigation while williams called it inappropriate. this afternoon at 3:00 p.m. we're heal from kurt volker and tim morrison. they'll take the hot seat. this as two more transcripts of depositions were given last night under secretary of state for political affairs david hail and david holmes, the ukrainian embassy aide who told lawmakers he overheard the phone call between the president and ambassador sondland and sondland said the president only cared about the investigation into the buy dense and doesn't, quote -- bidens and doesn't, quote, give an "f" about the ukraine. nancy pelosrepublicans on this e suggest there's a bad idea. >> i wouldn't encourage the president at all. it would be a heck no from me as far as my advice as to whether he should testify. he would be lowering himself below adam schiff's level. >> reporter: foambassador gordon sondl

williams will be the first witness we'll hear from on tuesday, followed by lieutenant colonel alexander venmanormer special envoy kurt volcker and tim morrison. speaker pelosi, who says she doesn't know when the inquiry will end, is inviting the president to testify. >> the president could come right before the committee and speak all the truth that he wants. >> you don't expect him to do that? >> if he wants to take the oath of office or he could do it in writing. he has every opportunity to present his case. >> reporter: on wednesday, one witness both sides are eager to hear from, ambassador gordon sondland, who is believed to have had multiple interactions with president trump concerning ukraine. >> my guess is that ambassador sondland is going to do his level best to tell the truth because otherwise he may have a very unpleasant legal future in front of him. >> i abide by what the president did and what president zelensky actually received. president zelensky received the money. >> reporter: look here, in all, a total of eight witnesses this week, in addition to sondland on wednesday, you

the white house is now saying a witness we expect to hear from next week, lieutenant colonel venman, they say he was the person in charge of writing that read-out. gillian. gillian: well, the president has tweeted at me before. it can be intimidating. thanks, allison. leland: last hour we had congressman winstrop of ohio. the republican. so this hour we bring in the democratic congresswoman from michigan, debbie dingell. nice to talk to you. you have been one of the members of your caucus to reserve judgment. i'm interested, after the past week of open testimony, has your mind changed? >> well, deeply disturbed i i think the thing that bothered me the most was when the president tweeted or used his twitter account to attack a witness while she was testifying yesterday, which was l ambassador yovanovitch. i think congresswoman and liz cheney and other republican women members who said it was inappropriate and it was inappropriate. leland: marsha blackburn also said that. is that really impeachable? >> it was concerning. i think these hearings are very important. i think these open tra

we have alexander venman, jennifer williams, kurt volcker and tim morrison, and gordon sondland, a lot waiting for that, laura cooper, deputy assistance secretary of state, david hill, state department official and then we have fiona hill at the end of this week and she's a former trump russia adviser. but as i said, at least a couple of these people do have firsthand knowledge of the actual phone call. >> yeah, well, we the american people also have firsthand knowledge because we can see the best evidence, we can see the transcript of the phone call, that there's nothing there. great, we can all observe the sky is blue. fantastic. doesn't mean there's anything legally impeach aable abouable . what these witnesses are bringing forward is there opinion of the policy of president trump. james madison specifically said that mal administration or the policy differences or the ability of the be president to actually execute his office well is not actually an impeachable offense. just because these people may disagree with how president trump uses his power in office, that doesn't mean he di

also on the phone call was lieutenant colonel alexander venman.e will testify on tuesday and gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador to the european union, he will testify on wednesday. friday we will have theona hill, the russia advisor on the national security council who stepped aside. she'll be up on thursday. adam schiff will not commit to that being the end of the impeachment hearings. back to you. eric: i may be jumping the gun, tim morrison reportedly said he was troubled by the call but didn't he see anything illegal in that. any indication so far in terms of ms. williams, what her view was? >> reporter: in the thumbnail sketch that i did a few minutes ago, she thought the conversations about, quote, investigations, appeared to be unusual. and again, this is where democrats -- if you look at kind of how they're structuring their case here, they said okay, we've heard from people who had secondhand and thirdhand information who had presumptions about what might have been going wrong here. it's going to be very important to look at john tittle

president mic pence, and pence, and ke director for european affairs, lieutenant colonel alexander venman 2:30 -- vindman. 2:30, white house aide tim morrison. a.m. eastern,9:00 testimony continues for ambassad ambassador, gordon sondland. and secretary of defense for ukrainian and eurasian cooper. laura and on thursday at 9:00 p.m. eastern, the committee will hear fiona hill, m former national security council senior director for europe and russia. first two public hearings in their entirety on our website c-span.org/impeachment. here, you'll also find transcripts of witness testimony and procedures for the hearings. plus, a points of interest feature that identifies key during the hearings indicated by a star in the timeline. this week watch live coverage of inquiry impeachment hearings on c-span3, c-span.org, r listen live wherever you are with the free c-span radio app. >> tonight on "the randolph,ors" -- mark co-founder of netflix and book never work," will talk about starting the online streaming service. april 4, 1998, we were live. it didn't take long. first ding and we cheered an

a lot of people over here listening to the call and we know that, one, alexander venman, the lieutenantd about it. what you see, if you look at some of the transcripts that have been released or news reports from other depositions, republicans are trying to figure out, okay, well, was it developmenvenmanwho told the whd was there anybody else who knew about this and you had all these people on the call and people of high integrity and expertise at the nse and they didn't complain about it. what was going on here? so there are a lot of questions and certainly the identity of the whistleblower is part of that whole picture. maria: right. that's what i'm saying. and do we know the if in fact this is a person who worked with john brennan at the cia, worked with joe biden as his ukraine point person and does this person have the credibility to stir up all of this stuff here? >> well, democrat as you know say well, it doesn't matter anymore. you remember that adam schiff thought interviewing the whistleblower was really, really important for his committee to do. they started making plans abou