the vietnam war is history. we have deepening relations with vietnam. but that fact doesn't mean we should shortchange religious liberty. frankly, we know that raising these issues with hanoi isn't on the top of our diplomats' lists. they are uncomfortable to raise these human rights abuses, but putting vietnam on this list where it be longs, we are giving promoting religious freedom a chance and being part of vietnam. it is time to put the house on record in support of the vietnamese people and indeed to freely practice religion is a universal right. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from american samoa is recognized. mr. faleomavaega: i reserve at this time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from indiana is recognized. mr. burton: mr. speaker, i yield to our very good friend, mr. cao, from louisiana, for six minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from louisiana is recognized for six minutes. mr. cao: mr. speaker, the international religious freedom act or irfa, requires the u

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i mean, that's where we got in vietnam. i agree with sebastian, they didn't make that war because of, you know, imperialistic designs. they were seriously worried about world communism. stalin and hitler, mussolini were trying to take over the world saw years before -- 15 years before kennedy started putting troops in there. i think they made a mistake, and the result is abandoning our allies. so now what? we're in that situation, and i don't have an easy answer for it. i wish they'd all come home tomorrow, but if we did that, it would be chaos, and vacuums are filled by really rapacious people, and i don't think we want that either. it's a pickle. we made the pickle, you know? >> this question might be a little off topic but i've been wanting to ask sebastian younger this question for years, how would afghanistan be different if maas pseudohad not been assassinatedsome. >> yeah. he was the leader of the alliance, former minister of defense, i think he was in the government. they were dislodged by the taliban, and ma pseudo

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>> it's a project designed to tell soldiers in vietnam that we support you.orale has been down because of different groups in the area, getting publicity saying that we're against you, like the vc committee in berkeley and it's our job with the senate, which i'm in charge of, to get as many san diegos saying that we support you and we're behind you 100%. >> reporter: you are sending articles to the boys in vietnam as christmas gifts. >> these articles include razors, razor blades, mirrors, soap, presweetened powdered drivens and other commodities, such as black shoe polish. >> the christmas vietnam program is to help boost the moral and tell the boys over there we care. >> reporter: there was a time when the holidays weren't complete without a visit to the troops by bob hope. from world war ii to korea to vietnam to the gulf, hope entertained the men and women of the military and some of the fartherrest reaches of the world. during the holidays in 199, he came right here to the bay area for a different cause, earthquake relief. ktvu's gary cow interviewed bob

it's certainly not another vietnam for reasons you and i discussed before. not hopeless. but anyone who doesn't recognize what a daunting task it is, is misleading and the american public should understand that this is not going to be solved overnight. it is going to be a difficult struggle. it has a political component. we are not trying to win this war militarily. and a dayton type negotiations also a very unlikely but some kind of political element to this is essential and we are looking at every aspect of this. we are talking to all our other nations about it. >> tough, moral, larger than life man.

so you made a quick trip to vietnam? >> it was this past summer.aw sight that i cannot imagine that estimated one million land mines in the west bank in particular. bethlehem and the valleys there is riddled with one million land mines these are pomegranites and dates fruits and olive so when you have one million land mines holy land is not holy when there is land mines in the ground. this is -- >> this is a cross cultural apolitical effort regardless of our hand or politics on our mind when a landmine is there it's a seed of terror that holds the people hostage for future we are hoping in the spring the vote will be unanimous and we are allowed to go into the holy land and truly make it holy for all faiths colors and creeds. >> i want to move to vietnam. working with farmers and getting rid of land mines there. >> today in vietnam i think people would be absolutely shocked to know there is an estimated 2.5 million land mines 35 years after the war has ended. i went to various parts of vietnam, 87% of the land is riddled with land mines. children s

in vietnam all. we wanted from bonked out to ben was where a day care for what they call the orientation period you know to get used to the climate and to actually get used to the sounds of war. the first couple of weeks i was terrified every not. and after my first briefing i went back to my bed and i just sleep i. think i was going to be going to. the course next happen. somewhere at about three four weeks we had an operation where they had helicopters i was circling waiting to go in this. landing zone to put the combat assault in. and i heard the radio and the power of the one of the red flight said this is red lead. and. now i try to relax and i try to forget about it. and it would scar right by this paralyzing kind of fear of knowing that i had to stop and. you have both hands full. is to. clear. the surrounding. flashes and you know that people are shooting. from that point. i think i realized that it is possible to. get a. bunch of thirty guys in a truck put in. place. and we couldn't find the

the vietnam policy team in lyndon johnson's white house and finally as a junior member of the u.s. delegation to the paris peace talks. he often said it was the defining experience of his public life. holbrook went on to serve in high posts in three democratic administrations, including assistant secretary of state for president carter and ambassador to germany, assistant secretary of state and united nations ambassador for president clinton. whether dealing overseas or in washington, holbrook used his intellect and his ego to bully, to charm, to cajole. his persona bore fruit when he pushed three warring nations to end the bosnia conflict. the 1995 dayton peace accord was the crowning achievement of his career. the day the deal was announced in one of his dozens of newshour appearances over the years, holbrook spoke to elizabeth farnsworth. >> those last few hours, the toughest thing you were negotiating about and how you resolved it. >> by the last few hours the issues were very small in relationship to what had been achieved. 99%... more than 99% was finished. but there's a ques

in vietnam all. we wanted from bonk out to ben was where there for what they call red tape here and you know to get used to the climate and to actually get used to the sounds of war. the first couple weeks i was terrified ever not and after my first briefing i went back to my bed and i just couldn't sleep. all i could think of going to be going to shoot them in the course the next day nothing happened. and then somewhere after about three or four weeks we had an operation where they had thirty helicopters i was circling waiting on my turn to go in this l.z. or landing zone to put the combat assault in. and i heard the radio the. pot of the one of the red flight said this is red lead which i can fire and all i could hear in the background was. and i would try to relax and i try to forget about it. and it would just come right by this paralyzing kind of fear of no one that i had to stop and be shot in. a helicopter pilot you have both hands full so your gut instinct is to try to. hide. but there's no p

it wasn't that i was going back to vietnam.t the striking thing in the failure of intelligence was that india we had basically the united states had lost in an insurgent be. and after vietnam, we seized to study counterinsurgency in the u.s. government was dropped from the military academy. so we were going to get involved in a. and there was no preparation for what we encountered in iraq and afghanistan. afghanistan of course and i focused mostly on iraq at a mayor, the failure of intelligence on our part, on the u.s. part was extraordinary. so i was trying to think of this overtime. and one thing if it takes you to think imperatively about the u.s. in ways that are sometimes a bit taboo and a little bit uncomfortable. it's not saying it's all the same. but also, when you step back in history and look at the bigger picture, you're going back to world war ii. you're going back to other things. at one point in the book i end up in the philippines at the turn-of-the-century, you know when the u.s. conquered the philippines in 189

spent more on a moment in vietnam along. we went from bomb tower to bin was where i dare for what they call red taishan peter you know to get used to the climate and to actually get used to the sounds of war. the first couple of weeks i was terrified every not. and after my first briefing i went back to my bed and i just couldn't sleep i. think i was going to be going to. the course the next day happened. and. somewhere at about three or four weeks we had an operation where they had helicopters i was circling waiting to go in this l.z. or landing zone to put the combat assault. and i heard the radio and the power of the one of the red flight said this is red lead were taken and. now i try to relax and i try to forget about it. and it would scare right by this paralyzing kind of fear of knowing that i have to stop and. you have both hands full. as to. how. you're looking through a clear plexiglas window and the surrounding. flashes and you know that people are shooting to dissipate they don't hit you. from that point. i think

. >> vietnam is not a focus of your book, why? >> it's not a focus of the book because there was simply not space to do it. the vietnam figures in as one the major culture of war. it's mentioned in passing in a number of ways, vietnam figures in both as a place where you deliberately target -- targeted noncombatants. vietnam figures in a different way in the failures of intelligence, and i write about this at some length. it's just the subtitle could only be so long. and it wasn't that i was going back to vietnam. but the striking thing in the failure of intelligence was that in vietnam we had basically the united states lost in an insurgency, and after vietnam, we seized to study counterinsurgency in the united states government. it was dropped from the military academies. it was dropped out. we weren't going to get involved in that. and there was no preparation for what we encountered in iraq and in afghanistan. afghanistan figures in, of course, also. but i focus mostly on iraq. and there, the failure of intelligence on our par

and he used vietnam in a sense as a template.normous experience, enormous self-belief in his ability to put these things through. but you'd have to say, john, two years of very, very intense work probably did take its toll. >> and david gergen, you knew richard holbrooke well. i remember my days covering the clinton white house how controversial the bosnia war was. and you had not only for the president to make the case but for his diplomatic team to make the case, to politicians in the united states, to congress, but also around the world to key allies we needed there and more recently afpac as he called it very controversial not only here in the united states and congress and the democratic party but to many around the world who weren't sure the mission was worth it. describe the sharp elbows if you will of richard holbrooke. >> well, i don't think i've ever met anybody on foreign policy who was quite as forceful and could be extremely aggressive. very, very smart. but he just was -- he could not abide procrastination and just

that in vietnam, we had basically the united states had or lost in an insurgency and after vietnam we ceased to study counterinsurgency in the u.s. government. it was dropped from the military academies. it was dropped, we were not going to get involved in that, and there was no preparation for what we encountered in iraq and afghanistan. afghanistan figures in, of course, also, but i focus mostly on iraq, and there the failure of intelligence on our part, on the u.s. part, was extraordinary. why? so i was trying to think of this over time, and one thing this does is it takes you to think comparatively about the u.s. in ways that are sometimes a bit taboo and a little bit make people uncomfortable. it's not saying it's all the same, but also it nips it out of the bush of the administration per se when you step back in history and look at the bigger picture and you're going back to world war ii, going back to other things. at one point in the book i'm at the philippines at the turn of the century, you know, when the u.s. conquered the philippines in 1898, early 1900s, and all the rheto

>> well, you can see in vietnam it was -- they're going back to a civilian world that existed. so many came back. you know, you look at the number, about 11% of americans served in vietnam, now it's only about 1% so when they come back they're largely alone. they don't have any information about how they can get so much help so they end up really temporarily as homeless as opposed to vietnam which is after five to ten years it became permanent because the way they were treated when they came back. they were spat upon and they didn't have any help at all. >> but they're not finding that now, right? they're not finding that they're ostracized? >> they're not ostracized. it's exactly that. once they find out what they can do, that they can did it, that's the one they can say. it's not that they can't get help. it's just they don't know about it. the ones coming out of the war, the numbers of homeless, the va says 107,000 veterans are homeless every day now from all the war, not iraq and afghanistan. >> some 9,000 or so from iraq and afghanistan? >> that's what they say, yep. >> no

power that the united states brought against the soviet union, against, against communist forces in vietnam and how that surplus of power was translated to loss after loss. how come?

i was protesting the war in vietnam. i was arrested on the steps of the capitol, and i went to jail for that. and there was another incident there in a protest against the war in vietnam. i was also arrested on an airplane for using a cell phone, but we won't talk about that. that was a terrible shock. i considered it, in a sense, a freedom of expression issue, but i don't think that they did. but i have had incidents where i've protested, where i've been involved with large protests ever since i was a kid. my father was in the radio business, and i'm not sure how he got away with saying a lot of the things that he said. he was very much not in favor of the blacklisting that went on during the mccarthy era, and he spent a lot of time on the radio talking about it. so i was raised in a family where we talked about issues. we talked about the french in indochina. we talked about mccarthy. and i was taken along to a lot of civic situations and public situations where the issue of freedom of speech and the first amendment we

the whole war in vietnam was misconceived.what i said was there was great irony in the fact that having been on the dervish side in vietnam -- having thought that what we were doing in vietnam didn't make any sense -- i found myself now leading the charge to use air power in bosnia. but i believed then and i believe now that you have to fit the situation to the circumstances, and the method to the moment. and in this situation in bosnia in the early 1990s we were facing a type of aggression which, if left unchecked, would destroy europe. it wasn't -- it didn't have the complicated roots of vietnam. i didn't buy this theory that ancient ethnic hatreds made it inevitable that as former secretary of state eagle berger said you have to let them kill each other until they're exhausted. and he really said that publicly, and i just thought that was wrong. and i felt that a very strong dose of military power would disperse these people. this wasn't the hardened viet cong or the north vietnamese. these were thugs, automobile mechanics

he started in vietnam, spent years in vietnam. went to morocco as peace cord director there.eadership in the world deeply engaged in the world that we have don't want to lose. >> let me ask you have about being engaged in the world, something you've written and talked about. is there some misunderstandings and misinterpretations of america and the west of islam? in that october interview we ran a portion of he's speaking about islam and america's relations with islam and he is you islamic countries. do you think he understood the nuances of those relationships? >> i think that the world of islam was not particularly one of richard holbrooke's great strengths. i don't mean that disparaging at all. he had spent a lot of time on other things. i think what he understood best was that the united states could be -- could play a very positive role in helping islamic countries, muslim countries modernize. he understood that it was very important that the united states partner with countries like pakistan. he had a very clear-eyed view of all the problems in pakistan. but he also unde

and the situation in vietnam when our government and our military said we have to go into cambodia in areas where the sanctuaries are where the training facilities are very limited to make it safe for the u.s. military i mean it just seems like the u.s. doesn't learn their lessons that these things just seem seem to escalate we go into situations very easily find ourselves stuck there with no way out in it's always a bad ending for all those involved u.s. military and of course the civilians on the ground who are indiscriminately killed by these drone attacks now pakistan being a nuclear power do you think the u.s. is taking a risk by sending troops into its territory without their permission. well i actually think the u.s. government does have permission of the pakistani government and leaders to be there all the pakistan from what i understand is denying this so i think there's a lot of underhanded stuff going on the. most of the citizens of both countries or not informed about. now the u.s. has been hammering pakistan's border regions with drone attacks for a long time why do you t

caller: i am a former marine, vietnam, a disabled medevac from vietnam way back when did you have heardt say it does not matter who you share the foxhole with, so to speak, in wartime, we are fighting a common enemy whether we are heterosexual or homosexual. the fact is that very little time is spent in combat. most of the time is spent, for soldiers, in the rear, in the .arracks and so bike witnesse eyewitnessed gay behavior back in vietnam and as a young man, it was demoralizing. it did not happen very much but i just want to say for a young person to view that, it is demoralizing especially in a war environment. >host: when you hear top leaders from the military say a repeal will probably happen and top legislators say that repeal will probably happen, what do you get from that? caller: i think they are idealistic, politically correct people. even the young soldiers who have been interviewed and serve it in today's military say they would be ok with it. i think they are just young people going with the flow, not knowing the realism involved with such a measure of allowing what we use

he was in saigon during the vietnam war. i believe he was 27 years old when he was involved in peace talks. he offered one volume of the pentagon papers. he helped establish full diplomatic relations with china. he settled the u.s. dues dispute at the united nations. he was trying to settle the u.s. war in afghanistan. and our disastrous relationship with our would-be sort of ally, pakistan up until the day he died. >> if there is something in u.s. foreign policy that happened under a democratic president in the last generation, it's something you heard about, then richard holbrooke was probably right in the middle of it. he was right in the middle of my own attempts -- my show's own attempts to cover our ten-year afghanistan war, which he wouldn't want me to say its in its tenth year, but it is in its tenth year. andrea mitchell joins us now to understand the importance of richard holbrooke. >> rachel, i don't think you can overstate the importance of richard holbrooke. clearly the most gifts, the most brilliant diplomat of

when my father was elected in 1958, we were deeply at war with vietnam. we fought more than half a million, 550,000 young men were fighting in vietnam when life author took office. believe me, not one day went by during my father's presidency until the war ended in january january 1973 that my family didn't think of the troops and didn't think the 591 pows who were suffering in north vietnam and who my father refused to abandon. i think that you can understand why one of the most moving things that has happened to me since my father left the presidency was to meet a former p.o.w. from san diego with few years ago and he told me that whatever they have their reunion that he and his comrades, quote, we always said a place at the table for your dad. [applause] now the book that we present today, going home to glory, is a five-star general dwight d. eisenhower and this is an individual who knew better than anyone the pain and agony of sending men into battle, and i think one of the most moving stories in the book is how in 1963, ike went back to normandy to m

vietnam. instead of being the leaders of the generation had once been, they come back and they are pariahs in the generation, in a country that really -- that causes a fault line in american has three. and they are despised by many of their countrymen for what they did. so you know, their pain, which still resides in them today is something that you don't have to dig very deep to feel. >> we have time for one more question. >> could you comment about in discussions about the use of the atomic i'm in germany. >> to use the atomic bomb in germany? well, you know, i think the germans were lucky the war ended in may. you know, i have looked. gearhart, maybe you know. i've never seen definitive evidence that planning to drop the bomb on a german city that they didn't know until very late in the game if the thing would work. and so, to my knowledge there was no operational planning of the same sort that was going into building b-29s for the long-range bombing missions they would carry to be wishing

. >> i was at a desk handling of the vietnam war. it was like the same story every day. in those days, it was men killed. always, "more of the enemy was killed." it was terrible because the initial stories, 400 miles from saigon. in washington, they were winning the war in the suburbs of the saigon. people got tired of it breed there was a steady death rate, and the arguments. until the protests started, the story was boring. then the story became the protests. we ended up walking around the white house with candles. we were making -- we were not making new news, but they did not get that much attention. men running in the jungle, men and jumping out of helicopters and running -- they got to be boring as it was terrible. >> a, a draft that we don't have now. b, -- you are called anti- american if you protest sometimes. the president unveiled a the results that we got, but also, the casualties were much higher. we have had thousands of americans dead, but my generation is not familiar with a headline where hundreds or even thousands of people were killed in one military a