we begin this time around at waco, texas. >> february 28th, i got a call saying get down to waco, there's kind of shootout. this religious group, the branch duvidians have this compound. they have been buying parts that would convert semiautomatic weapons to fully automatic weapon, which were illegal. the atf decided it was time to go in. >> four federal agents died in the sunday morning shootout there in texas. 16 others were wounded. >> heavily armed cult leaders remain inside the compound. the cult leader curesh says he will continue. >> the waco tribune began to publish a series of articles of what they call the sinful messiah who loves music and will drink beer with you and who also has sex with underage girls and makes weapons for a business. >> guns are the right of americans to have. >> cult members continue fortifying their compound, an indication there's no plan to surrender anytime soon. >> this is day 20 of the standoff. >> this is day 32. >> negotiations between the cult and fbi agents have stalled. >> it was all waco all the time. every new cast, every newspaper, every radio

we begin this time around at waco, texas.ozens of federal agents are surrounding the headquarters of a religious cult. >> february 28th, i got a call saying get down to waco, there's been some kind of shootout. this religious group, the branch dividians, have this compound. they have been buying parts that would convert semiautomatic weapons to fully automatic weapon, which were illegal. the atf decided it was time to go in. >> get the shot! >> get the hell off of here! >> four federal agents died in the sunday morning shootout there in texas. 16 others were wounded. >> almost 100 heavily armed cult members remain inside the sprawling compound. the cult leader, david koresh, says he will stay until it was over. >> the waco tribune began to publish a series of articles of what they call the sinful messiah who loves music and will drink beer with you and who also has sex with underage girls and has a lot of weapons. >> it is nobody's business whether we have a gun or not. guns are the right of americans to have. >> cult members

on april 19th, two years to the date after the waco incident, oklahoma city was bombed. >> mr.sident, there are tens, maybe more -- tens of thousands of men and women dressing up on weekends in military garb going off for training because they're upset about waco. despite what you say, we're talking about thousands and a thousands of people in this country who are furious at the federal government. >> well, they have a right to believe whatever they want. they have a right to say whatever they want. they have a right to keep and bear arms. they have a right to put on uniforms and go go out on the weekends. they do not have the right to kill innocent americans. they do not have the right to violate the law. >> it's not like you can go to war against domestic terrorism. they're ours. this was our problem. >> we still don't know how much hate is growing now near other scrubbed farmhouses in other trailer parks. that is how many others there are just like him. theso when i need to book tant to mea hotel room,tion. i want someone that makes it easy. booking.com gets it. and with the

areas as far away as waco, texas may have 40 mile-per-hour winds and 5 to 6 inches of rain. this is going to be unprecedented storm for the country and particularly texas. tucker, as you know, we are the center for refineries and oil and natural gas production. our refineries about 30 will be closed down.

the -- waco and bryant. the storm is not expected to go anywhere.s tracks to the overnight hours on friday and still across southeastern texas. rainfall totals will be devastating. some areas could see 40 inches of rain when all is said and done. for the next five days we're expecting little if any movement at all from tropical storm harvey. heavy drenching downpours for the next several days. over 40 inches of rain, they are expecting cat -- catastrophic flooding in that part of the country. back here, considering how the summer habits a rare dry stretch of weather for us. 79 today. 77 monday, showers tuesday, cooler high of 72. wednesday clouds and sun, 79. ♪ >> can't we get more of that love? this is the one and only the extraordinary aretha franklin the queen of soul performed before the packed house at the mann center for the performing arts. "action news" was there as the 18 time grammy winner performed some of her greats hits including the set hits of the latest diva classic. >>> taylor swift set a record with her brand new song. the berks co

along with the branch de voidians and waco texas that faced off with law enforcement during a 51 dayge. >> waco was proof positive this was an aggressive predatory ghost, and we have to fight back to bear arms to defend their rights. >> this is a militia preparing to defend themselves against the federal government. there is an armed militia here in indiana and at least 20 other states. >> we had always had a radical right, but in the '90s, it entered the mainstream. gun shows became an important venue, not just for selling guns, but selling real life nazi literature, along with survivalists handbooks and that kind of thing. >> terrorism hits home. cnn national security analyst peter bergen joins me to discuss. how did the fear differ in the '90s than post 9/11. >> you had the oklahoma city bombing, which was the most lethal attack on american soil 168 people were killed, including children. during that time, theres with a lot of concern about terrorism from the far right. another part of the show is the gathering storm coming from the jihadist side. many people may not have realized

listen, there's so many places where there are shelters that will be open in dallas in waco and austin and san antonio. and other parts of the state of texas that you can go to if you want to go to a place where it won't cost you anything to stay. where food embeds and shelter will be provided to you. on top of that, there will be other places that will be open, especially in dallas-fort worth and parts of texas. think of your life first. the most important thing that we are dealing with right now is human life. my top goal is to be able to make it through the storm in a way in which we lose no lives and so my hope is that there are fellow texans who will follow that advice and put your life first and your property second. thank you all very much. we will have ongoing updates. i'm going to be departing and going to san antonio to the shelter and maybe some other places there this afternoon. >> listen, at a traffic conversation with both the president and separately with the head of homeland security as well as the home of fema and washington d.c. all of them provided strong, of unequiv

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decide to go re.areas north of thei there are so many places where shelters will be opened in dallas, waco, austin, san antonio, and countless other parts of the state of texas that you can go to if you want to go someplace where it will not cost ,ou anything to say -- to stay where food and beds and shelter will be provided to you. on top of that, of course, there will be other places open, especially in the dallas fort worth area, but think of your life first. the most important thing we are dealing with right now is human life. my talk goal is to be able to make it through this storm in a way in which we lose no lives, so my hope is that our fellow texans will follow that advice and put your life first and your property second. very much. we will have ongoing updates. i will be departing and going to san antonio to the shelter and maybe some other places there this afternoon. >> [inaudible] governor abbott: i will answer this real quick. i had a terrific conversation with both the president and then the head ofith homeland security as well as the head of fema and washington, d.c., and a

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. >>> president trump is pushing efforts to but his speech at a manufacturefin rg plorant in mia wacos deshort on details. mola lenghi has our report. >> reporter: on his trip to springfield, missouri, wednesday, president trump promised to bring back main street. >> we want to renew our prosperity and restore opportunity, we must reduce the tax burden on our companies and our workers. >> reporter: the president laid out a vision for tax reform, but was light on specific details. >> i am fully committed to working with congress to get this job done. >> reporter: protesters were kept a mile away from the manufacturing facility where inside president trump spoke to an invite only gathering of small business owners. >> i've seen so many tax cuts for the rich that trickle down economics never did work. >> reporter: mr. trump promised to simplify what he calls a rigged system that he has admittedly benefitted from. in april, the president proposed cutting the corporate tax rate to 15% and lowering the top personal income bracket to 35%. treasury secretary steve mnuchin says the u.s. has to

danforth investigated the waco crisis during the bill clinton administration. while he was running that special counsel probe he called bill clinton and they talked and it was a conversation for the purposes of his investigation. even though bill clinton didn't have a huge involvement in what happened at waco. so there's absolutely precedent for special counsel investigators to ask questions of the president about the issues they're investigating, and i'd be surprised frankly if that's not on the table for mueller. >> cornell, doesn't that also depend on whether republicans ultimately long term in the congress learn enough that they want to take a more adversarial approach based on what's exposed? >> well, we're talking politics, right? and you're looking at the mid-terms coming up where there are already challenging political environment out there. are republicans in the house really going to put the president front and center in this conversation and have for weeks or months on going into the midterm election where they're already real nervous about this goin

and listen, there are so many shelters re there are that are going to be open in dallas, in waco, in austin, in antonio, and in countless other parts of the state of texas that you can go to. a place nt to go to where it won't cost you anything to stay. and beds and shelter will be provided to you. from will hat, veng, be other places open especially in the dallas-fort worth area parts of that state of texas. first. k of your life the most important thing that we're dealing with right now is life. my top goal is to be able to ake it through this storm in a way in which we lose no lives. nd so my hope is that our fellow texans will follow that and put your life first and property second. thank you very much. will have ongoing updates. on sanng to be departing antonio to the shelter and maybe places there this afternoon. >> real quick, listen, i had a errific conversation with both separately t and with the head of homeland and head of fema in washington d.c. strong hem provided unequivocal assurances in their any rt to help texas in way. we have the fema administrator in t here who wo

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as attorney general, reno had ordered federal agents to raid the compound of a religious cult near wacon the future prevent such a senseless, horrible tragic loss of human life. >> one thing that did haunt her was waco. but janet reno was somebody who made her decisions based on the facts and the law. >> instead of discussing how elian should be united, they -- the attorneys for the relatives continue to demand that we revisit the issue of whether elian should be reunited. that is not what the law provides. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: demonstrators break through those barricades to try to form a human chain around this house, if indeed federal agents came to seize elian gonzalez. >> there were people in the crowds that had violent police records. there were armed individuals in the crowd. the entire event was a potential powder keg. we wanted to effect this search warrant as soon as possible. the only delays were last-ditch efforts made by the u.s. government to negotiate a peaceful, so to speak, surrender of the child to the u.s. government. >> ms. reno was willing to exhaust every option. so whe

yet the mountainous region of theater that waco was once home to a booming manufacturing hub. it produced ninety percent of some electronics in argentina. benefiting from protectionist policies put in place by the populace fo. for the one hundred and fifty thousand residents of t. edited quaker. those days have come to an end. she on the other one day until you feel i showed up to work at six in the morning. and they told me not to go in because it was no longer part of the company i don't just like that. after taking office in twenty fifteen president mauricio macri revised in the southern region special tax breaks. unload trade barriers in a bid to modernize argentina's economy. san fran employment has plummeted by thirteen percent in the province. as cheap apices imports force companies to recuse output. six thousand people that have lost their jobs. the labeling nowadays on trying to sell my things to make it clear that i'm a. i'm is difficult because don't. and i would run out of things have. nearly a fifth of argentina's workforce is employed in manufacturing. and he had

mobile feeding kitchens from dales, from waco, all over the state of texas pro positioned -- prepositioned're spending money inflation that american people -- in faith that american people will help us with that and join us in the effort. connell: i am sure they will, and have been, major ward matthews thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> in terms of markets, we mentioned crude oil prices, we were talking about how crude oil price was down today. with harvey slamming into the gulf coast, but gas price, was up. so many of those refineries remain closed. no sign of when they might reopen, we'll talk about that more, coming up next. i'm a concrete mason. i had severe fatigue, went to a doctor. became diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma. i had to put my trust in somebody. we recommended chemotherapy, and then a stem cell transplant. when his disease progressed, i thought that he would be a good candidate for immune therapy to unleash his immune system against the cancer. i'm back to working hard. i've honestly have never felt this great. the evolution of cancer care is here. learn more at cancercent

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the branch davidian fire, that horrible event near waco, texas, where 69 people died in a fire. leading to the bombing in oklahoma city. ,fter many of these visits there is no single outcome when tragedy strikes. some events are so important, they become judge does so important, they become sanctified. peoplecome so important, dedicated, consecrated for that particular event. the opposite side, we have obliteration. years, -- maybe it is a little bit closer to two of the outcomes. commoncation is the most outcome. we do not see any great significance in this event and we will get back right. -- it back right. there is another outcome which i call designation. something important happened here but it did not quite -- it is not quite enough to push it toward sanctification. that designation is a step toward sanctification a little bit later and i have some examples. we will come back to gettysburg in a minute. in the 1920's, the terrorist attack on wall street in new york, the last physical evidence of that bombing, a few shrapnel scars along wall street. that has faded from view.

is juiced from bottom to top hear, all the moisture continues to dump on houston and galveston and waco and will you please -- lupton future tracker 6 tells the story this lane will sit and spin and spin and spin, we get into monday afternoon. same thing it's still pouring over the galveston/hiews ton area. -- houston area. tuesday afternoon it's raining heavily in the galveston houston area. rainfall total on top of the two-plus feet expect to be an additional one to two feet. these are harvey rains through wednesday, additional two feet of rain. there are signs it could be raining in southeastern texas ts ts -- thursday into friday morning. >> volunteers from across the country are pitching, including from our area. trish hartman has details on how folks are making a difference. >> reporter: on the third floor of the american red cross buildings of center city. [chatter] >> reporter: volunteers are fielding hundreds of calls from texas as the storm pummels the state. >> you're helping people on the the worst day of their lives and talking to people on the worst day of their lives. peo

getting to waco, texas was like driving through a scene of the walking dead.tional guardsman, they were shutting down roads. so evacuation is not that easy to answer your question. >> it it just sounds terrifying. your kids during this. obviously the triplets are one years old. obviously wouldn't have known what was happening. but how are the kids through all of this? >> they were terrified, anderson. our daughter is 8 years old, going on 21 and she had two bottles keeping them in their mouths and she said mommy, i'm getting sick, why are we driving against traffic and justin is saying are we going to die, daddy? extremely challenging but god protected us and i think about our own situation but that segment you just gave about the sandoval family, that could have been us or many other people. if you're alive tonight, we should be really thanking god but we're still under mandatory evacuation. they just tweeted out ford bend office of emergency management. this is an ongoing emergency and that's why i'm so grateful you're there asking people to support and pray

my brother lives in waco.hing, these people come on here and they say that trump did this and it that. local.alk about administration, they were the ones that started that. [indiscernible] trump just came on his coattails. that is all he did. echo -- whatone has he done? he just came in on his coattails. only thing that chavez did his calls -- that trump has did his calls rate falls -- has caused racial strife. trumpat what point should get credit for the economy? caller: he don't start nothing on other people sweat. he comes into office at an opportune time in take credit for it. now he wants to shut down the government because mexico is not going to pay for the wall. pay.e going to make them stupid. thing. last year -- what was that? sandy? obama was in office [indiscernible] he comes down there and he interrupts. suvs goingne and 45 through the country and what did he do? did he help anybody? there was one guy talk about what did hillary clinton do? what did trump do? all he did was passed out campaign pamp

and it wasn't until we got to waco until we could get to a working gas station. we're stunned, we're trying not to be paralyzed. >> i applaud your bravery, you described this as an apocalyptic scene. >> i can't say enough about my wife, andre is amazing, having triple. there are stray animals, the national guard, the national guard is driving in, we went across the bridge on 77, that was being barricaded, we were one of the last vehicles to get through the bridge before they barricaded, i don't know if the bridge was taken. so it was about four hours of driving around from the moment we left our home and the emergency mandatory evacuation to where we got to a point where we felt like we were safe. >> the triplets are so young, they probably think this is sot some kind of great adventure. how about your older children? i'm sure this caused quite a bit of stress. >> our triplets think it's great, they're normally on a schedule, but they're totally off their schedule now, of sleeps, but our 8-year-old daughter is trying to find words for it. catastrophic, unpreceden

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. >> reporter: waco was proof positive to many of these people that this was an aggressive predatoryal and now we have to fight back like the minute men in 1776 to bear arms, to defend their own rights. >> this is the michigan militia. a self-proclaimed fighting force of ordinary citizens preparing to defend themselves against the federal government. >> you will be receiving live fire over your heads this morning. >> reporter: there is also an armed militia here in indiana and at least 20 other states. >> we always had a radical right but in the '90s it entered the ma mainstream. gun shows were an important v thing. >> you can watch the full episode of "the nineties" only here on cnn tonight at 9:00 p.m. 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gill

the name of the town is west between waco and dallas fort worth and in 2013 they had a serious disaster in this town. this tape is shot by a man named derrick hurt and what's going on is mr. hurt and his daughter they're off camera but you can hear them. they're sitting in mr. hurt's vehicle and watching a fire burn off a ways in the distance in their town. so it's 30 seconds, just watch the 30 seconds of this clip. you won't really be able to tell why i'm having you watch it at the beginning, but trust me. i will also tell you it gets scary at the end but there's no better way to show you the magnitude of what happened there than watching this. put on your seatbelt, 30 seconds. just hold on. i can't hear! i can't hear! let's get out of here! please, get out of here! please, get out of here! >> oh, my god! >> what that was, that massive fireball was a massive ammonium nitrate explosion at the town's fertilizer plant. derrick hurt and his daughter were okay. many of their neighbors were not. that explosion left a 90-foot-wide crater in west. it was as if a daisy cutter bomb had been drop

take a look at the letter posted by the waco police department.-duty officers. it reads, daddy, i hope you do not get hurt, but i hope you help other people that need it more than you. i hope that no one gets hurt more. i hope that everyone gets away. the hurricane, i love you, scott and mckenna. >>> coldplay is playing a new song in response hurricane harvey. >> [ music ] >>> the band had to postpone it store in houston because the storm is approaching their think the devastation by harvey. and want people to know their thoughts and prayers are with them. the band hopes to sing the song in texas. beyonci grew up in houston. destiny's child was her former bandmates who also made it to houston and they are doing efforts on their part as well. j jaye watson another texan celebrity. people are banding together. selected florida -- florida is helping out also. the rangers and the astros. >>> we want to give you a life picture from texas. he is getting briefed he is getting briefed and will have herbert ken harvey and officials are gathering there. a n

>> well, as soon as it clears up, we have people that want to take us to waco. >> and you'll stay there while you rebuild? >> well, we're just going to go, move back. adds soon as this clears up, we'll wait about a month or two and see if it clears, then we'll go and get whatever there's anything salvageable. we had a big 200-pound barbecue pit in the back yard that we made. we're hoping that might still be there. all our cars -- my dad's truck caught fire. he had 30 gallons of gasoline and two power generators in the back of the truck. a piece of the house collapsed into the truck. >> jose, we're so glad you and your family survived and made it out just in the nick of time before the fire started, and miracle has lived up to his name, really a sweet dog. thank you so much and we're wishing you the best and praying for you. thank you for telling your story for us. chris, this is obviously just one story here. as i said, there are something like 8,300 people here. we walked around this morning when we first got to the convention center, and it's early still. it's before 6:00 a.m. obvious

that rising elevation will hit west of georgetown, round rock and maybe up toward waco. that water will run back down toward the ocean, and if you t get. what's going to stop that is if it gets back out into the ocean. san antonio could be in for a major surprise of what they're going to get, too. not 125-mile-an-hour winds but flooding when you thought you were evacuating. >> when did they say that harvey was going to be so devastating? >> this came off the yucatan peninsula as a blob of nothing. it looked like scrambled eggs with a little tabasco on it. it looked like nothing four days ago. all of a sudden the models picked up on it and said, wait a minute. it exploded, and the models knew by tuesday afternoon, to answer your question, not until tuesday did we know a category 3 hurricane was going to make landfall. so 72 hours sounds like a lot of time, but when you have to board up your windows, find places for your pets because sometimes you can't take the porlts take pets. 72 hours is not a lot of time. >> especially for the elderly. . this is a serious problem in e

areas as far away as waco, texas may have 40 mile-per-hour winds and 5 to 6 inches of rain.is going to be unprecedented storm for the country and particularly texas. tucker, as you know, we are the center for refineries and oil and natural gas production. our refineries about 30 will be closed down. about half of the petroleum oil refineries will be closed. natural gas will be shut down. so that will have a dramatic impact on the country. simply because the storm is not just going to go through as rick said. it's going to stay with us maybe until thursday, if you can imagine. >> tucker: that will effect energy prices as you suspect. you said this storm came out of the middle of nowhere. most people were not thinking about this storm four days ago. have you been able to evacuate those areas? are they gone. >> no, they are not. unfortunately those who day. we are very concerned about them. we don't want to send out first responders. there will be a window where you can't go and help people. we did have an evacuation in several counties around the coast, mandatory. others were

also events with critical meaning, like the branch davidian fire, that horrible event near waco, texas, where 69 people died in a fire. in an encounter with the u.s. -- government.t leading to the bombing in oklahoma city. after many of these visits, there is no single outcome when tragedy strikes. what i portrayed in my book was a continuum of outcomes. some events are so important, they become so important, they become sanctified. they become so important, people dedicated, consecrated for that particular event. the opposite side, we have obliteration. these are so shocking and shameful that people want to put the evidence away. for years i had put gallows hill on that side. in a sense, that is what happened. remove the evidence, forget about it. closer to the other outcomes. you will see, rectification is the most common outcome. we do not see any great significance in this event and we will put it back right. there is another outcome which i call designation. the idea that something important happened here but it did not quite -- it is not quite enough to push it toward sanctificat

she was -- had a lot of big cases on her desk, not just the unabomber case, but waco, and whitewater,a tough time, but we were lucky to have her in that office. >> seth: it's also kind of -- i mean, this isn't -- this sounds like a weird thing to say, but it is -- sometimes with everything crazy going on today, you forget that there were crazy things happening in the '90s as well. >> yeah, there was, but it seemed like they were adults. >> seth: yeah, that's true. [ laughter ] >> it seemed like -- you know, you had janet reno, who had such independence from the president, and you know, is the one who appointed the special prosecutor for whitewater, and, you know, that was just -- i don't know. i'm, like, sentimental for the '90s, i guess. i don't know. but it seems like there was some integrity. >> you played janet reno on stage before? >> yes, i did. >> seth: what was that production? >> that was called "baby jesus and his holiday pixies." >> seth: is this maybe -- [ laughter ] >> yes. >> seth: this also had a great amount of integrity? >> indeed. oh, of course. and i did -- >> seth:

events that are very equivocal meaning, maybe a little bit like salem, like the branch davidian fire in waco, texas, leading of course two years later to the bombing in oklahoma city. now, after many of these visits in documenting all of these sites, i would say there's no single outcome when tragedy strikes. in fact, what i portrayed in "shadowed ground" was a continuum of outcomes. they become so important that people set aside the site for that particular event. on the far side, on the right hand side, i think we have almost the opposite. it's obliteration. these are so shocking and sha shameful that people really want to scour the evidence away. for years i put gallows hill down on that far side, because i think that in a sense that is what happened. it was afterwards remove the evidence, forget about it, it's been owe blit rabliteratobliter. you'll see rectification, which is by far the most common outcome, which is we don't see any great significant in this event and we're going to cleanse it and put it back right. i think maybe -- and we'll come to this a little bit later. maybe salem

. >> and yesterday we dispatched another 200 people headed to our waco, texas, office.nd as of last night, we have finally arrived on site in the corpus christi area to some of our prequalified clients and we're already beginning restoration processes. again, tracting water, preve preventing mold and mill drew from growing and we have an additional 206 people standing by that should be dispatched throughout another 42 belfor offices throughout the country in the next 48 hours >> and, you've got mostly commercial clients you've got 900 affected in the area, do you think how many other belfors are there? you're just a part of this whole process, i guess, and normally what you're there, two, almost two years, or a year and a half after the event, you're still there, belfor is still active 20 months after >> right and as i've said before i've been doing this 33 years, and been to a lot of the storms that you guys have referred to on your show previously once the storm passes and the restoration process gets everybody back to ground zero, then we have the reconstruction proc

american civilization and had a teaching assistantship at baylor university which is a baptist school in waco halfway between dallas and austin. and the phone rang, it was two days after christmas, and it was lyndon johnson, i hadn't talked to him in two and a half years. he said, "bill how are you doing?" "i'm fine, mr. leader." "what are you doing," he said. "i'm packing to go back to austin." and he said, "no, no, i'm going to make a run for it, "i don't think i'll get it but i need you back." i hung up and i said, "judith pack for washington, "not for austin." and we went up, on the way she said, "what did he offer to pay you?" and i said, "i have no idea he didn't mention it." (audience laughs) and so i spent that year back in his office traveling with him, spending every night in some hotel, around the country, seeing all of the politicians, meeting them, watching what happened. they were heavy drinkers in those days, and after all day of campaigning they'd come to the hotel and they would drink until 1:30, 2:30, 3:30 in the morning and i had to stay up until it was over. of course i le

. >> if you had the ability two or three days to make to dallas or san antonio or waco where it needs to get out of town, do that. i don't think we have learned a lesson in this country people are going to be suffering. they are suffering need lessly because they did not need to be there. >> one of the controversies we were talking about whether to evacuate or not. on the news now represent kevin brady. >> right now we are facing major in land flooding because our rivers and creeks will crack later this evening >> as far from what you can tell and i don't know if you -- can go on the record here. it is impossible to tell now are we passed mid way, i would hope >> look, we had a little break today and the rain is half the level as they were than yesterday. our challenge is they're coming back as the storm comes back ashore they're predicting and we are getting a day which is really helpful. rivers and creeks continue to rise we are still doing evacuations and rescues as we speak. it is a little better conditions to do that today than yesterday. >> you were around, i know for -- we have