in 1969, walter cronkite, who was almost as trustworthy as you, but walter cronkite has been called the most trusted man in america. a one-hour special on chattanooga he called the dirtiest city in america. we found as we cleaned up our cr environment, that's what has helped lead to this best town after. so, we need to be sustainable. we need that kind of environmental focus if we want to continue that kind of branding. >> and at the beginning i heard a littl little but of a spoiler. at the university of chicago you had some interesting neighbors. >> when i was in college i had a professor named condoleezza rice and whehad when i was at the uny of chicago by first day, my first professor was elena kagan and then barack obama came to the university of chicago. i'm one of the only people that knew the future secretary of state, futures and court justice and future president and did nothing with those connections. [laughter] >> and if i were going to play tennis i would probably play with rachel or nick or aj, if you were to play who would show up? >> a long time ago when i was younger i w

but you probably know walter cronkite or are more familiar with walter cronkite. so, this is -- this is a -- it's hard -- came from, right? it's not like we've all tuned out from the news. how many people consulted a news source in the last 24 hours? it's not like you're tuning out. you're probably tuning in more. you get more news than you want to get, right? we have too many places to find it. but then walter cronkite or the two other news anchors were the places that you went, the nightl "nightly news," and so on february 28th, cronkite ends his broadcast with a three-minute speech about the war in vietnam. and he looks at the camera, he reads from a script, looks up, sort of at the viewer sitting in their living room, and says, "for it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of vietnam is to end in a stalemate. to say that we are closer to victory today is to believe in the face of evidence the optimists who have been wrong in the past. to sigh that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic if unsatisfactory conclusion. on the off

when walter cronkite comes out and he says, ford is considering joining the ticket with reagan and -- turns out when walter cronkite uses the phrase come a co-presidency, reagan got upset with that. he said, this will not work. he openly called george bush. james: i took the call to it was -- i took the call. it was drew lewis was working for reagan. he said governor reagan would like to speak to ambassador bush. i handed him the phone. he said, yes, how are you, yes sir, he said yes, and the only question i think reagan asked him was, will you support my position on abortion? and ambassador bush said yes, sir i will. david: you were given a task by ronald reagan. james: to help with the debates. help negotiate the debates and help prepare for the debates. david: was it difficult to prepare reagan for the debates? people were not confident he was a good debater. james: a lot of his close people didn't want him to debate. i wanted him to. his pollster i think wanted him to. i believe nancy wanted him to. i always thought he was terrific. in front of the camera. the red light goes on, h

but we can't go back to walter cronkite, that wasn't perfect either. there were catastrophic media failures at that time as well. and we have some more new and different catastrophic media failures ahead of us as well. >> can add something? rob's work shows nicely, that the behavior of media systems is structural, rooted not in personality or in personal aspects, but in incentives, and institutions. but if we thought of a simulation, where all we do is we put in a set of incentives for a given news outlet, all we get is click bank, that is the natural conclusion of the tight of and sentence for new systems on the left and right, and the center. so i take great comfort in the fact that we have so much investigative journalism still today, that is not a product -- a product of professionalism and institutions, but not a product of the marketplace. and that tells me that there are still people, many journalists, who care about getting things right, and getting things right not in a quick manner, but also consumers who are continuing to ignore the click ba

in 1969 walter cronkite who is almost as trust -- untrustworthy as you are, he was called the most trusted man in america did one hour special in chattanooga and called it the dirty city and america. what we did was we cleaned up our environment and that's what helped lead to the best town ever. we need to be sustainable and have that environmental focus if we want to continue that kind of branding. >>> mayor berke i got a spoiler, you are in chicago and had interesting neighbors? >>> yes when i was in college i had a professor name condi rice, when i was at the university of chicago, my first day my first professor was elena kagan, and when i was there the next year, a skinny black guy named barack obama came to the university of chicago. so i like to say i'm one of the only people who knew the future secretary of state, future supreme court justice and supreme -- future president and did nothing with those connections. >>> if i were going to play tennis i'd probably play with rachel, nick, aj if you play dennis who shows up ? >>> a long time ago when i was younger, i was a de

in houston and i have nine months off to work and i have been working on a buying aography of walter cronkite who went to school here at n austin at ut, and i've been particular going through this papers and coming out with their harper collins in may of -- simply called cronkite. >> we have didn't talk with doug brinkley in the texas heat about his work "the quiet world. i" professor brink lee, we appreciate your being on c-span. >> thank you. >> more about alaska, willy hensley talk us about his book, "50 miles from tomorrow: a enemy posterior of alaska and re real people." he recounts his childhood as an alaska native and histonnures in the alaska house of representatives and state senate. >> i'm actually shocked and awed. thank you very much for coming. i'd like to thank susan and hartside for inviting me down to

that weakened the traditional notion of newspaper reporting of, you know, the "nightly news," of walter cronkite, of, you know, james rest ongoing to saigon hotel and reporting the war from there. and it exploded it really because of the social movements and because of these kind of journalists. and i want to just note, i know you're doing this next and next and next but i didn't know that when i was thinking about this. this wasn't this up ending of the traditional way. it wasn't just in journalism as you indicated it was also in the arts, in anthropology, sociology, music and movement tactics, the growth of the movement coming together around the war in vietnam. so i think that the flourishing underground press was of response in a way to what the journalists in saigon called the 5:00 follies which was the nightly official u.s. news broadcasting that was done at 5:00 where people came out of the hotel bars and wherever else they were hanging out in saigon to listen to the american official press releases. but the young journalists covering it by this time for sure had concluded as had a many v

comparing it to walter cronkite, i think that's an important question. adjacent to this conversation about # misinformation is democracy and decline. there's a lot of emotion in that debate that feels a little ahistorical. what happened 20 minutes go is the most important thing that's ever his happened in the history of american politics. maybe i'm just being contrarian. i should wake up every morning and be more alarmed. is that bad today? what are we supposed to compare today to in order to get an intelligent answer to that question. >> i'll start. that's the magic question. it's all relative. it's always been in flux. we've always had to challenge something. it also has an academic, i'm less concerned of the role of misinformation than i am the role of mistrust and those are aligned but i think they're different. the steepest, sharpest danger we face is that were increasingly not trusting our government. were not trusting the media and were not trusting each other, specifically uncle rob from across the aisle. science shows were not in fact becoming m

in 1969 walter cronkite who was almost as trustworthy as you, mike, what walter cronkite and call the most trusted man in america get a one hour special on chattanooga and called it the dirtiest city in america. and so for us what we found is as we've cleaned up our environment, that's what helped lead to this best town ever, and so we need to be sustainable. when you get that kind of five mental focus if you want to continue that kind of branding. >> mayor berke, at the beginning i give a little bit of a spoiler. when you at a good of the youth and interesting neighbors. >> yet, so when i was in college i to professor named condi rice. when i was a university of chicago, my first day, , my firt professor was elena kagan. and when i was a bear the next year, skinny black guy named barack obama came to visit chicago. so i like to say i'm one of the only people and no future secretary of state, future supreme court justice and a future president and really did nothing with those connections. [laughing] >> and if i were going to play tennis i would probably play with rachel or a.j. if yo

that amount and they're the they're supposed to be the people that are in charge they're the walter cronkite who are supposed to explain to you what the world around you is like how can they possibly know that grab a rope for directing a film called game show you know twenty years ago now talking about news especially became fake news when the move from publicly owned airwaves to corporate owned airwaves this is going on for twenty twenty five years in america it's just gone to absurd levels of hyper extension hyper normalisation with like rachel maddow now becoming rich alex jones you know in a skirt but the fact is that at the same time you have the ability through technology to address the problem you're talking about which is an uprising in the streets of some nature or revolution to be appeased with cash nobody is going to storm the gates if they get a free five bucks from amazon to get some deal on a stool softener down there at whole foods they're just not going to they're going to be like i go do the revolution tomorrow because i just got five dollars sent to me from jeff bezos who i

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late last night, cohen quoted the legendary broadcaster walter cronkite and said it is never important now for everyone to distinguish between innuendo and fact. >> the tape, of course, raises new legal issues in the cohen investigation and particularly raises issues for the u.s. president. let's bring in cnn legal analyst areva martin. thank you for being with us. from what we know ab this tape, does it hurt the president? one of his lawyers, rudy guiliani says, it won't. has he explained that? >> well, one thing we know for sure is that the president lied to us. the story broke in 2016 the "wall street journal" broke the story trump knew about the negotiated deal between karen mcdougall and ami, the parent company for national enquirer. when asked about that deal, donald trump denied any knowledge of this tape of donald trump talking to michael cohen about purchasing or trying to acquire that non-disclosure agreement entered into between ami and karen mcdougall, clearly, clearly reveals the president knew that karen mcdougall was telling her story or potentially telling her story abo

washington but i will date myself when i was a kid we watched the brinkley reports some people watched walter cronkite but we saw the same shot right or a vietnam war was a common base of information and it was that it one -- vetted because that is what the intermediaries did. now i could go to my aggregator or website cable channel and don't encounter anyone who thinks different now i think they are stupid. that is on both sides of the spectrum not on one side or another and that is reflected our policies in washington. i do know how to get back to the point of the more common base of understanding that identity politics has had a devastating effect on the united states united states is a country where being american is not pretty or religion or blood it was an idea can come from humble circumstances and do great things it didn't matter. and now we are in a situation where every identity group has reason and its own narrative them by the way the hierarchy of the my grievances are higher than yours because my sisters suffered more time i am the latter. a lot of things are going on not just the politic

night after a week of twisted words from the white house on russia, cohen quoted the broadcaster walter cronkite saying it's never more important than now for everyone to distinguish of innuendo and fact. michael cohen told friends this month he's skeptical that president trump would ever pardon him if cohen is charged with a crime. in fact, a source tells cnn when the president learned that he was recorded by cohen, trump said, i can't believe michael would do this to me. wolf? >> jessica schneider, thank you. >>> let's bring in dana bash working this story for us, as well. what are the sources telling you? >> first of all, that according to people who are familiar with this tape and i should say that these are people who are on the trump side of this, what i'm going to tell you that this is the big one. this is the only tape of substance. but there are other tapes. other recordings i should say. because tapes are not used anymore. digital recordings of the president and michael cohen talking. that this was as jessica reported this was short and this was about this potential payment which appar

. >> walter cronkite news, march 18, 1975. >> according to pentagon sources, the north vietnamese havencial capital of ban me thuit, which fell over the weekend. >> the cease-fire which wasn't a cease-fire involved a lot of bloody combat, and for the first 11 months the south vietnamese fought quite well. but by 1975, it became more and more clear that the north vietnamese were building up a formidable logistical system that portended real danger for the south vietnamese. >> the communists began the first major attack of their offensive. saigon's troops made a stand. it was a vital one. the entire central highlands might be lost, and south vietnam could be cut in two by the north vietnamese and the viet cong. >> the plan that the north vietnamese conceived would be a two-year plan. what happened was that when attacking the central highlands town of ban my thuit the thieu government lost its composure. >> government troops were secretly ordered by president thieu to pull out of the central highland provinces. >> the withdrawal became a rout, civilians and soldiers fleeing in panic, leav

-- walter cronkite and it is worse? there is a lot of emotion in the debate that feels historical. what happened 20 minutes ago is the most important thing to happen in the history of american politics. maybe i am being constrained. maybe i should be more alarmed. how do we grapple with this question? is it bad today? to compare supposed today to in order to get an intelligent answer? that is theun: magic question. it is all relative. i do not think i would say -- maybe i do not want to say -- democracy is in decline. democracy is in flux. it is always been in flux. we have always had to challenge something. am less concerned about the role of misinformation than the role of mistrust. those are aligned. they are different. they are different conceptually and practically. theme weest, sharpest face is we are not trusting our government, the media, and each other, specifically uncle rob, but all of our friends across the aisle. science shows we are not becoming more polarized as citizens. we are distrusting each other more. that is dangerous. it is a reason for concern. tore are a lo

in houston and i have nine months off to work and i have been working on a buying aography of walter cronkite who went to school here at n austin at ut, and i've been particular going through this papers and coming out with their harper collins in may of -- simply called cronkite. >> we have didn't talk with doug brinkley in the texas heat about his work "the quiet world. i" professor brink lee, >> and more about alaska come willie hensley talks about his book "fifty miles from tomorrow a memoir of alaska and the real people (farrar, straus and girous; december 23, 2008". in the book he recounts his childhood as an alaska native and his ten years in the alaska house of representatives and state senate. >> i'm actually shocked, thank you very much for coming and i like to thank susan and hearthside books for inviting me down to speak to you. i would also like to introduce you to my daughter. she's sitting there. she's named after my sister, francis. [applause] >> it's just a pleasure to see so many familiar faces, old faces from a long time ago. [inaudible conversations] >> i will swallow this

and late last nigweek, cohen qud walter cronkite and said it is never more important than it is now to distinguish innuendo from fact. >> the tape of course raises new legal issues for the u.s. president. let's bring in our legal analyst areva martin from los angeles. thank you for being with us. from what we know about this tape, does it hurt the president? one of his lawyers rudy giuliani says it won't. has he explained that? >> one thing we know for sure is that the president lied to us. this story broke in 2016, the wau "wall street journal" broke a story that trump knew about the negotiated deal between karen mcdug al and ami. when asked about that deal, donald trump, his team, denied any knowledge of it. this tape now of donald trump talking to michael cohen about purchasing or -- trying to acquire that non-disclosure agreement that was entered into clearly, clearly reveals that the president knew that she was potentially trying to tell her story about an affair that she said she had with the president. so if nothing else, it proves that trump and his administration have not been

of twisted words from the white house regarding russia, cohen quoted the legendary broadcaster walter cronkiteas never been more important than it is now for everyone to distinguish between innuendo and fact. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >> let's talk more about all of this. michael zellden, analyst and former prosecutor, and political reporter for bloomberg. good to see you both. michael, you first. two sources tell cnn that the president and his attorneys waived privilege on the recorded conversation, allowing the fbi investigators to have access to that tape, so that leaking this tape takes away potentially from the power of cohen. is that the strategy? >> so it is very hard to know what actually is going on here. if you remember, fredricka, the way the process worked was that the fbi seized documents, including tapes presumably from cohen that they then were reviewed by the special master to determine what was privileged and what was not privileged and then after that determined and each party made a statement with respect to it, she then presumably passed material onto the federal

walt walt walt walt walt walter cronkite would have never had a gen x.ere and mike gunsleman. i'll go to you. she laid it out there i screwed up. end of story? >> i don't think she will get her job back. i met her last night. she was really nice. that goes a long way to the crew members. they're nice when they get in, she's lovely. she's one of these comics that are really out there and says things that are really wacky. there's other people that i think have said far worse. she has now felt the effects of the ramifications of it. but i think painting her as this racest and we won't see her again. >> neil: you think she got railroaded? >> she was being provocative. that's what she's known to be. she has an image and a p.r. problem. i don't know if continuing to apologize is the right way to go. the best thing to help her is time. >> i'm not sure why she did this honestly. you have to apologize and give it time. people can accept your apology. >> neil: she's apologizing in a lot of venues. >> yeah. >> i think she wants sympathy now. >> and might have hurt

of twisted words from the white house regarding russia, cohen quoted the legendary broadcaster walter cronkite and said "it has never been more important than it is now for jefferson to distinguish between innuendo and fact." jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >>> this morning russia is putting its own spin on president trump's one-on-one meeting with vladimir putin calling the summit better than super, magnificent. revealing that they talked about syria, the ukraine, and military security. right now we're getting all our news from moscow in terms of what happened in helsinki since the white house hasn't said anything about what happened behind closed doors. international correspondent sam kyly is live from moscow. good to see you this morning. help us really get a grip of what russians are saying happened at the summit. >> reporter: well, as you said there, it was sergei lavrov who said it was magnificent, better than super. that was the initial reaction with him seen high fiving subordinates in the core doors of power in the presidential palace in helsinki. that was the immediate aftermath.

he tweeted freedom of the press is not just democracy, it is democracy, quoting walter cronkite and as we know, the president does not like the quote, fake news agency. the president tweeted that yesterday, it's a serious development. i want to bring in michael avanati right now, he's the attorney for stormy daniels, back in may you were suggesting very, very strongly that there are what you called donald trump tapes? >> yes, good afternoon woolf, back on that may 30th, i stood joust -- and we're making that demand again today, if michael cohen in fact is a true patriot as he wants the american people to believe and as lanny davis wants the american people to believe, then michael cohen should release all of the audio recordings and i will tell you for a fact there's more than one, there's multiple recordings and all of them should be released for the benefit of the american public. you know, wolf, the problem for the president is, he's got multiple problems relating to his relationship with michael cohen, but a very big problem is that michael cohen will go down as one of the world's

this is walter cronkite. good night. prof. faulker: uncle walt, one of the most reliable and believable news guys telling the american people about this war, february of 1968. >> basically that we lost, but we need to gracefully bow out. prof. faulker: is that what he says? that is what is often portrayed. what is he actually saying? >> it is a stalemate and we could win, but he does not think we will win. we just need to negotiate and leave respectfully. prof. faulker: is he right? was his assessment of the ground reality correct? >> he agreed with what the journals thought. -- in generals thought. we have reached the point tactically that we can push it operationally, then finally reached that strategic end state if we just have a little bit more. prof. faulker: why did uncle walt get into those nuances? >> hard sell to the american public. we are still arguing over how to do counterinsurgent now. the military spends their lives doing military stuff, conventional war, guerrilla war come out of prosecuted, etc., to communicat

and ey kept pushing and pushing and finally this famous interview at walter cronkite did and which you know basically gerald ford was giving the idea of ao-presidency. >> woodruff: right. >> and that was a bridge too far for ronald reagan. >> woodruff: you do write about the current the mike pence donald trump relationship. the access hollywood tape comes out. mike pence does not, he's still the nominee, he does not take donald trump's calls at first. really interesting highwire and as you said...>> it was one of the few times where the power was really in mike pence's court at that moment, he was. if he had pulled out, who would donald trump have gone to? i mean on that list he had newt gingrich, chris christie who was persona non grata at that time. he even had michael flynn on that list for a while no matter times people told him to get him off the list. and something i thought that wao ascinating is that his top vetting lawyer said he is quote it terrifies him that there's no f.b.i. vetting for vice presidents or presidents. >> woodruff: there's also there were also stories about j

. >> right, walter cronkite. we've got to mention him. he was one of the people, the stall wart cbs anchor, everybody -- stall wort cbs an -- stol wart cbs anchor. they attacked the u.s. embassy in the middle of the night, how could they do that? it was that shock. it was where it was and it was cronkite who had such a role. we don't want to exaggerate his role, but in the days of today we have so many choices. people at that time didn't. i had very little choices because i wasn't allowed to watch it because my mother didn't like me to see the body counts. but he was front and center for most americans. and he himself thafl l toled -- traveled to vietnam to check it out. and he was not pleased. this was i think a key point. and i hope that helps to show you you have to hold these two views. one eeventually won out -- eventually won out i think. >> briefly. lyndon johnson reference his head offensive when he resigns. if you listen to that speech. so when the president of the united states is talking about it and then 20 minutes later he's

we were taught growing up that walter cronkite was a communist. my dad watched him and loved him. when he said that's the way it was, he believed that's the way it was but he still believed it was all a plot by "the washington post" and "the new york times" and walter cronkite and the mainstream media to take richard nixon down who they hated. and i remember the morning in 1974 where my dad was reading the newspaper and it's just like the scales fell off of his eyes all at once. and he may have said a couple of words that i can't repeat here, the second one was damn it. and then he said, if this man -- by the way, this is a guy my dad had worshipped since '52. if this man has done one third of what they're saying he has done, he should be thrown in jail tomorrow. this is a disgrace. but he said that broken but after the tapes, there was no denying that richard nixon had acted abhorrently. >> well, this is the week. we're in the anniversary period between supreme court decision in which nixon had to turn over everything. he turns over the smoking gun tape where he's ordering the ci

walter cronkite, we've got to mention him because he was one of the people, this sort of stalwart cbs anchor, everybody loved him and trusted him and he had had faith. i don't know if his views had begun to quaver in '67 but certainly they did after the surprise attack and americans were shocked or he was certainly shocked that they attacked the u.s. embassy in the middle of the night, how could they do that and for all the reasons you say, it wasn't as effective as perhaps the north would have liked but it was that shock, it was where it was and it was how cronkite, who had such a role, we don't want to exaggerate his role but certainly in the days of today where you have so many choices,people at that time didn't have so many choices. i personally had very little choices because i wasn't allowed to watch it but from what i understand, he was front and center for most americans and he travel to vietnam to check it out. he was not happy with what he saw and westmoreland is saying the end is coming into view and people are saying, really? so this was a key point and i hope that -- you

we didn't all go home and watch walter cronkite. >> "crossfire."la. on the right, robert novak and tucker carlson. in the crossfire -- >> i remember when jon stewart went on "crossfire." it was 2004. john kerry was the democratic presidential nominee facing george w. bush. and i thought, you know, watching it, i said, this is going to be a funny show. >> can i say something very quickly? why do we have to fight? the two of you, can't we just say something nice about john kerry, right now. >> i like john. i care about john kerry. >> and something about president bush. >> he'll be unemployed soon. >> anyone who enjoyed paying attention to the news and watched "the daily show" will forever remember jon stewart going on "crossfire" and reading those guys the riot act. >> you're doing theater when you should be doing debate. it's not honest. what you do is partisan hackery. and i'll tell you why i know it. >> you had john kerry on your show and you kiss his throne and you accuse us of hackery? >> the show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone

. >> once walter cronkite retires, all three network news anchors within a couple of years switch over where people liked and trusted the media. >> nuclear arms and how to prevent global destruction expected to be the major topic of president reagan's news conference tonight. that conference will be nationally televised within the hour. leslie stahl is at the white house. >> the white house is hoping -- >> in the '80s, women came into the newsroom. when i first joined, it was '72. there are very few. by the '80s, there were more and more. the decade of the '80s was still sink or swim. you had to be resilient in your own way to survive in a period when you were going up against a lot of people who still didn't think women had what it took. >> these are some of the most famous faces in broadcasting. all of them happen to be women. >> the best producers, i'm going to get fired -- the best producers at cbs news are women. and they're at the level of taking hold and making decisions about individual pieces. they are not yet executive producers of all the news shows. but they will be. >> the

. >> she's paranoid and you're afraid of walter cronkite. >> l, p and m. have gotten the names, i would have. i'm with a woman trying to get anything i can. she said l, p and m are the people who worked under mitchell. she said something about mitchell. she hates him. she said john mitchell. if you guys could get john mitchell, that would be beautiful. >> what did you write about sloan. >> sloan was the treasury of the committee -- his wife is pregnant and made sloan quit because he no longer wanted to be a part of it. >> we've got to go see sloan. >> make a note of it. >> all right. where is that match book? >> l, p and m. >> l could be larue or liddy. >> l is liddy. >> how do we know? she said at the time of the break-in, there was so much money floating around that i know gordon got part of it. i said do you mean gordon liddy. so l is liddy. that leaves p and m. p could be parkinson. porter. it could be -- >> wait a minute. there was a guy once, a guy we talked to last week. there was a bart porter who at one time was a member of the committee to re-ele

cronkite. -- of walter conkite. know, this was not an upending in journalism.sociology, music and movement tactics. the flourishing underground response in a way journalists responded with news in saigon. they would listen to the american official press releases. young journalist covering it had vets, was as had many the war was of occupation and imperial, could not be won. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. and today, we bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, and public policy events in washington, d.c., and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your satellite or cable provider. prof. barnett: the american windmill museum in lubbock tells the importance of the window for the settlement in west texas. willus where a tiny metals show us some of the items in their collection. >> the american museum was started in 1993 by a lady who was a teacher at texas tech university. this building houses over 110 windmills. we have windmills from as big

today, i am not against them themselves but they have some channels that -- the old days with walter cronkitethe evening news, that was all. you have news programs that cater to the left and the right and they each bring in their own experts to reach the base of viewers and nothing gets done in the middle which is where things usually get settled. host: you gave us some heavy issues to take on the media and that and a loss of morality. guest: i have to agree to some extent -- i think that the loss of morality is a hard thing to make concrete and specific to people but let me put it this way. actually a proponent of the idea of some form of national service. does not have to be military service. although, back can certainly be part of it. what would be a good way to overcome some of these partisan divides?? -- partisan serving the military would have the same effect, making people together to get to know each other and having them do some kind of job for the common good so they can learn the value of public service. to me, that does not actually sound like a terrible idea. i'm sure plenty of p

and more, are choosing to read the things i already agree with as opposed to having a kind of walter cronkiteome all of us watch this one thing, and we make from there, but we start with a common set of facts. that is why it is so important for people who live in an area that is politically concentrated, either blue or red, to find people of a different political background or try to expose themselves to other things, because that is how we will he able to stitch our country back together in a really good way. one of the things unique about the democratic party is that the base of ideological voters in the democratic party is smaller than it is in republican-winni ng coalitions. when republicans win president, around 70% or 35% of their voters are so described conservatives. for democrat, it is about half and half. half say they are moderates, and have say they are liberal. democrats cannot win an election the same way donald trump did. that is why i think they are the better suited party to have this big tent, which is what we hope to see and build on. host: port st. lucie, florida, democrat

and he was re-elected in the middle of the watergate scandal, that walter cronkite decided that he wanted. ben said we don't have any documents. so -- but walter did go on, did a two-part series. i think that changed in terms of the media. i think that changed the way people began to see the watergate story. >> michael and sally, everybody lies to themself and it is inherently not in your interests. some path logically to lie to yourself. the republican party it took a little while for them to tell the truth to themselves. now we are sort of in that same situation. what could potentially happy when a party decides it is going to actually lie to itself? >> well, that's the problem. and it didn't in 1974. what changed, what sealed richard nixon's fate was the tape was released, smoking gun, showed that he had obstructed justice and there were members of the house judiciary committee who had been arguing for weeks "nixon is innocent of any crime." they gave press conferences saying, "i was wrong, i'm going to vote for that article of impeachment which says obstruction of justice." we have no