a story in which nato had lost a conventional war with the warsaw pact the forces of the warsaw pact and needed to resort to nuclear weapons and it's the protocols for the launch of nuclear weapons that this able launcher exercise is intended to. and sure enough on the eighth of november the nato leaders those who are playing the war game ask for formal permission to launch a full nuclear missile attack upon the soviet union soviet radio listeners are choosing into every part of this story and slowly the kremlin convinces itself that this is not a war game this is actually the real thing an attack is imminent all the signs of come together all this tension is built up the whole year of living dangerously has built up to this moment on the ninth of november when the kremlin leadership is convinced because they have plans to attack the west in the guise of a war game they always assume the west would attack them we don't want to give away the ending although we're all alive in this studio there's a day just just briefly are we today in the similar circumstance i don't think we're in a

the forces of the warsaw pact and needed to resort to nuclear weapons and it's the protocols for the launch of nuclear weapons that this exercise is intended to. and sure enough on the eighth of november the nato leaders those who are playing the war game ask for formal permission to launch a full nuclear missile attack upon the soviet union soviet radio listeners chewing in to every part of this story and slowly the kremlin convinces itself that this is not a war game this is actually the real thing an attack is imminent all these. signs of come together all this tension is built up the holy year of living dangerously has built up to this moment on the ninth of november when the kremlin leadership is convinced because they have plans to attack the west in the guise of a war game they always assume the west would attack them we don't want to give away the ending although we're all alive in the studio today just just briefly are we today in the similar circumstance i don't think. i think there are i think there are lots of parallels between what happened in eighty three and what's

as then the rapid dissolution, of the warsaw pact on march 31. and i think they held off or moved up a day, so it would not happen on april fools' day in 1981, the warsaw pact. it slipped beneath the waves, and it was over. it was not long before a small attachment of red army soldiers marched out and held down the the hammered down and sickle and hoisted the russian color. and that was it. that was sort of the end of this long experiment. what i would leave you with, so that we can talk in the q and a, is that every step of the way, i think that the soviet, the kgb, putin, and all of the kgb officers that i knew blamed us for everything that had happened. they gave us credit that was something like james angleton gave the russians credit for. ls angleton gave the russians credit for in the early days of the cia. when i was in moscow after the coup against gorbachev, i was told we were watching cnn the whole time and when bush came out and gates was there with him you knewsaid, we knew what was going on at the white house and we threw up our hand

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the warsaw pact slipped below the waist and it was over. it wasn't long before a small detachment of red army soldiers marched out on a criminal -- kremlin wall. that was it. that was the end of this long experiment. what i would leave you with -- we can talk in the q&a -- every step of the way, i think the soviets, the kgb, putins and kgb officer blamed us for everything that happened. they gave us credit that was something like james angleton gave the russians credit for in the early days of the cia. when i was in moscow after the berlin wall, i was told we were watching cnn the whole time and bush came out and gates was there with him. and bush said, we knew you knew what was going on in the white house. we just threw up our hands! and he let this thing play out as it did. and so i do think to answer one of the questions peter raised is that there is a real history based and perhaps both the history of more recent years that is payback time for the united states that we, in fact, brought about all of this. that they made long before. and

1956, the hungarian government had tried to escape moscow's iron curtain by withdrawing from the warsaw pactder nikita khrushchev sent in the red army to crush the revolution. ike protested but did not intervene. in 1957, he did, however, send troops to lebanon to support that pro-western government from the pan-arab revolution led by soviet ally egyptian president abdel nasser. >> each time, when americans tried to press soviet union, soviet union reacted very strongly. 1957, americans try to overthrow the new regime in syria. and soviets make the exercise. and americans step back. it was too crisis around the berlin -- it is about recognition. >> in berlin, administered by the allied forces since the war, khrushchev threatened to force out us, british, and french troops stationed in west berlin if soviet-run east germany was not recognized. >> my father told, "you have to recognize east germany as a state." and of course, americans answered, "no, we don't -- don't recognize you as a state." in berlin, he told, "i will kick you out of berlin." >> the standoff ultimately led to the construct

these different geographies, the warsaw pact invasion, that looks like a war. that's 500,000 troops going into czechoslovakia. on the other hand, 12 killed, 25 wounded in that invasion. it's a war that looks different than say the war in vietnam. question abouts the way in which war informs the sense of stakes of these different kinds of battles, i think it's back -- and this gets back to your point, katie, about political battles in the united states. just to link it together in today's new york times there was an article about racial laws dealing with and sentencing connected to marijuana use and drugs. in the course of this article, which was wide ranging, they quoted the advisor to richard nixon. and was talking about the nixon campaign in 1968 and what he said in a subsequent interview with the nixon campaign in 1968 and the white house after that had two enemies, the antiwar left and black people. we knew we cannot make it illegal to be either, but by getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with carolyn and then criminalizing bot

gorbachev sat across the table from george wh bush and united the germanys and gave the warsaw pact nations their independence and the soviet union was split up and all bush had to do was to stay out of his business. but we americans, the miss kravitz's of the world violated that immediately with bill clinton in seville. -- coasta vo we cannot mind our own damn business. >> in the aftermath of the cold war from the late 80s on there was a steady decline in the number of people killed in the number of people -- international conflicts going on and there were still civil wars, but still it has declined quite markedly and that certainly includes americans, despite the tragic number of lost their lives in afghanistan, it still was a tiny fraction of those who lost their lives in vietnam. so it is true that the u.s. has had a propensity over the last 70 odd years of being a kind of -- there is also a very significant counter sentiment and it is hard for u.s. presidents when called on by the countries or when pushed by domestic sources to reframe them somehow taking a leading role in the world.>>

bush and the germanies, gave the warsaw pact base in their independence, the soviet union was split upnd all bush had to do to promise was to stay out of this business. americans, the miss kravitz's of the world, violated that immediately with bill clinton and kosovo. around -- ourmind own damn business. host: does he have a point? guest: in the aftermath of the cold war, from the late 1980's or there has been a steady pretty much steady decline in the number of people killed in conflicts and the number of international conflicts going on but still the decline remarkably. tragic member who lost their lives in iraq and , it still was a tiny fraction of those who lost their lives in vietnam. it is true that the united states has had a propensity for the last 70 years of being a kind of global policeman and there is significant support for that role, even though there is also a very significant counter sentiments. it's hard for u.s. presidents ultimately when called on by other countries or when pushed by domestic forces to refrain from somehow taking a leading role in the world. guest: m

korea recently and they were saying that -- when we were telling -- dealing with gorbachev and the warsaw pactut it took a lot of preparation by the staff of the state department and other agencies and the leader would walk in, tweak it and sign it, but there was a lot of work done before hand between reagan and gorbachev when the intermediate range missile agreement is reached and apparently, north korea wasn't ready for that. rishaad: great talking to you, tom byrne, professor at columbia university. let's get to the here and now and look at stocks moving in the session in hong kong. we have these two, international ,own 12%, the short-sellers questioning some accounts in valuations. -- very careful as to what they read into the report. making headlines, up with shares the highest since april the 12th. upgraded and cautious on restructuring, but earnings stabilizing and it is looking as if this company is on a firm financial footing according to at least the reaction from investors. this is bloomberg. ♪ haidi: hey check of the business flash headlines. the house of representatives has as pre

bush and the germanies, gave the warsaw pact base in their independence, the soviet union was split upnd all bush had to do to promise was to stay out of this business. americans, the miss kravitz's of the world, violated that immediately with bill clinton and kosovo. around -- ourmind own damn business. host: does he have a point? guest: in the aftermath of the cold war, from the late 1980's or there has been a steady pretty much steady decline in the number of people killed in conflicts and the number of international conflicts going on but still the decline remarkably. tragic member who lost their lives in iraq and , it still was a tiny fraction of those who lost their lives in vietnam. it is true that the united states has had a propensity for the last 70 years of being a kind of global policeman and there is significant support for that role, even though there is also a very significant counter sentiments. it's hard for u.s. presidents ultimately when called on by other countries or when pushed by domestic forces to refrain from somehow taking a leading role in the world. guest: m

to have nato continuing after the warsaw pact is longtime. i do not think they can pass that up. anything on your part and they will open it up. >> a couple of things. i agree, i think the russians see it in their interest to chip away under nato. almost universally a good thing for point of view. not very much downside. a target that has a lot of opportunities. one thing on the file, the steele dossier that i think is interesting that has not gotten a lot of attention. if the russians really want to mess with us on this, they could put out some disinformation on the file they have on trump. whether they have it or not, that would have a sensational impact on the domestic debate. it does not even have to be true. in fact, it might be better and more effective if it were not. that would i think a question we need to ask is why haven't they done that? >> meaning the steele dossier itself might have been disinformation. >> as you know, the russians have arrested several former officers for alleged treason and there was a lot of speculation including depressed but -- you also know th

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bush and the germanies, gave the warsaw pact base in their independence, the soviet union was split upnd all bush had to do to promise was to stay out of this business. americans, the miss kravitz's of the world, violated that immediately with bill clinton and kosovo. around -- ourmind own damn business. host: does he have a point? guest: in the aftermath of the cold war, from the late 1980's or there has been a steady pretty much steady decline in the number of people killed in conflicts and the number of international conflicts going on but still the decline remarkably. tragic member who lost their lives in iraq and , it still was a tiny fraction of those who lost their lives in vietnam. it is true that the united states has had a propensity for the last 70 years of being a kind of global policeman and there is significant support for that role, even though there is also a very significant counter sentiments. it's hard for u.s. presidents ultimately when called on by other countries or when pushed by domestic forces to refrain from somehow taking a leading role in the world. guest: m