wendell potter, these kind of comparisons, i believe, are absolutely necessary in every news story anyonemeone is "losing" under obama care. >> you're exactly right. more reporters should do exactly what michael had as done. it's what we're seeing is reporters generally not doing that at all and they're not looking at what insurance companies are doing and also to misinform people. aetna has been sending letters out to current customers suggesting that they can enroll in plans early to avoid obama care. and people are just not aware of the fact that they probably can get much better coverage starting now for 2014 than they've been able to get in the past. >> i want to put up a visual here. a chart of the so-called winners and losers under obama care and a loser is being described as someone who might have to buy a slightly more expensive plan but will also have more benefits to it. there's only 3% that come into that category. 80% the big section of it unaffected. largely people who will have employer plans preserved as is. there are 14% clear winners under this currently completely unins

. >> joining me now is wendell potter, senior analyst with the center for public integrity and authorthe upcoming e book, "obama care, what's in it for me." wendell, appreciate your time. what are the numbers as you know it right now, and give us your professional analysis of how good or bad it is with the numbers. >> well, i think the numbers are going to be really terrific. already the administration saying the site can accommodate 25,000 people at one time. it will soon be up to 50,000. and my understanding is, they expect that they can accommodate 800,000 people in a given 24-hour period. that's a lot of people. and we're talking about something also that is going to be spread out over quite a long time. i think it's going to be functioning pretty well. it already is, ed. i wrote my column this week, features -- it was about a man who is self-employed, self-employed photographer. bob frunks in st. louis. he and his wife are self-employed. if it's working in missouri, where politicians have tried for many years now to derail the obama care implementation, it's going to be working e

joining me now is wendell potter, a former head of communications at the insurance company aetna andr of "obama care, what's in it for me" what everybody needs to know about the obama care act. if you had to guess, there was no press inside the meeting between the president and health insurance executives. if you had to guess what was going on in the meeting, what would you say? >> i would say that the president was saying, look, guys, we have to work together. this law will help you in the long run. it will help keep you guys in business. so let's do something for at least those you serve for a little while. at least let's get through this next month. the problem is, of course, the president felt boxed in to do this because there was some members of his own party, particularly in the senate, but also in the house, who were caving and who were making it necessary for him to take this step. plus, his own administration was not doing such a keen job getting the website up and running. so unfortunately, the president had to do this. i'm sure he had to do it and did it very regretfully.

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wendell potter, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you, martha.ook at the house floor. the house is pushing ahead with its own solution to cleaning up this mess. lawmakers getting set today to vote on the so-called, upton bill. at least one senate democrat, who has her own proposal says the president's fixes are a good start but needs more to be done. >> the president's guidance is a great step forward. i have a bill. there are other bills that have been filed. we'll be working across the aisle, not to repeal the affordable care act, not to defund the affordable care act act. not to undermined the affordable care act. not to gut the affordable care act, but to fix it. >> chris -- gregg: chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday" joins us with his perspective. chris, i imagine the white house is worried about the fred upton bill because in addition to recent sure recollecting canceled policies, it would allow insurance carriers to enroll new people, which would obviously take away a great many people from, you know, the obamacare federal exchanges

bring in the steen yor staff attorney for the acla and former health insurance executive officer wendell potter. hobby lobby would pay approximately 1.3 million a day for obama care or the affordable care act for its employees if this would go through, certainly not saying this is motivation here but money is a part of some of the objection from companies and here you have this rare objection from a corporation based on its religion. >> well, i believe that money would be if the -- if the company decided to pay the fine and that's where the money that money would come into it. but i think even if the court sides with hobby lobby, it would not be a crippling blow to the affordable care act. it would further person fi corporations and where do you begin to draw the line? it also would be discriminatory in my view against women and in particular, women who might not make it much money and work for these corporations would be left on their own to be able to have to buy contraception. >> bridge it, let's talk about that. some of the reaction already from the aclu goes beyond women and the issue of w

ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio networks and reporter for plitco and wendell potter. obama care, what's in it for me. with the president saying at least through jay carney, we can expect to hear something from them sooner rather than later on a deal with people who had insurance canceled. you are an insurance whistleblower and know the dirty side of these insurance companies who have dropped people for years and not cover people with preexisting conditions and now we have these canceled policies, some of them zribled as lousy, that people want to keep for whatever reason. what's your take? is this benefitting the secret world of insurance industry? >> it really is. i think in the pressure off the insurance companies and putting it on the administration. the administration probably is working behind the scenes with insurance companies by constructing the law as congress did. you have to work with them. they are not reliable, trust worthy partners but they are who you have to deal with. the president will come up with some kind of solution working with those insurance

joining me to talk more about that is wendell potter, a health care industry whistle-blower after runningna and also the author of "obama care: what's in it for me" and jaime jamie court. thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> as we await any information from these insurance ceos at the white house, wendell, lets me get your take on what the president said yesterday, with the insurance companies' help, can you keep your plan. how do you think this plays out? >> you know, i think some insurance companies will look at this as a good deal because a lot of these policies are profitable for them and they didn't really want to stop offering them. so, i think we'll see some takers on this. i think others may not. at the end of the day, it's a business decision for them. they'll be looking to see what the profit margins are on these plans that have been discontinued. and if it's efficient for them, i think they'll get back in touch with their policyholders and said, if you would like to stay with us for another year, can you do that. others will say, you know, they're concerned about what this will

advantage providers are going to get less money and so those plans and and so you know what i had wendell potter on the show last week and he said well just sign up for medicare you know just you know forget about medicare advantage but then you've got this eighty percent twenty percent problem and he said this so by a medicare insurance program we're still in blank's what's like a hundred. fifty dollars for the average person. why. why should somebody who you know i mean i think it's forty percent of seniors in america are basically living on their solutions and. so we have people who are living on somewhere between twelve and fourteen thousand dollars a year to begin with in some cases a little less so there's a little more. we're asking them to spend a couple hundred dollars a month on medicare plus another hundred and some odd dollars a month but a better gap insurance plan why why is it that somebody who is twenty years old and healthy and we're saying you got to get into the program and they're also living on ten or fifteen thousand dollars a year because they just work hard to donal's or