then i went on to say but timothy mcveigh is a christian and those people from the westboro baptist church who make those offensive rants at funerals they're christian and we don't stereotype christians on that basis and we have to be careful in terms of what we say that we don't encourage people to do crazy stuff like burn the koran or cut some cab driver's throat here in new york. so i said all that. but then, of course, the top part was taken away by people who, you know, the council on arab-american relations or whatever and then npr also acting on that. >> jon: you had been, withing at npr. >> ten years. >> jon: so you must have had so many thought bags. (laughter) tote. when you travel, carrying things must never be an issue. >> not a problem. not a problem. >> jon: so npr... now... backing this up. those are for our present environment in terms of discourse i think pretty mild. in almost any way you frame it, certainly the network that you said help the on and certainly what you see over the airwaves, npr decides you can no longer work there. that seems unfair. >> to me. (laughter)

you know tour all over the country well i think that the lesson that i was draw from the westboro baptist church is that this is of course the most the most horrible speech right this is the thing that we really can't stand it we want to we want to create laws or whatever or just try to protect prevent but it's but it's never these things that are that are difficult to decide right it's always political speech that's the sort of the difficult thing to figure out whether or not it's ok for for certain people speak and others not to so what i would do what i would just say is like i love that i live in a country where we kind of just go it's really awful it's absolutely terrible but you know fine they'll do their thing and we don't have to worry about you know i don't have to worry because i'm totally with you there and you know i'm sorry if the laws are not relaxed in norway but maybe just got arrested i'd just be a little happy to call them right away and one of the wrong find it's wrong but a little bit happy ok this is a spoof everybody has favorite you trade baby had a reaction to the stock m

saying we do not make a judgment of all christians based on the behavior of people at the westboro baptist church. we do not lead to those judgments. we should not lead to those judgments about muslims. i was not suggesting that we have a discriminatory policy against people in muslim garb. i was suggesting a feeling of anxiety. >> do you have any idea how she found out about this? >> i do not. there was an internet campaign launched by the council of islamic relations. they said i had committed an act of bigotry and called for me to be fired. it caught the intention of her. >> we will run the show where there is a clip of the former head of npr talking about you in a speech in atlanta. let's watch this. >> she goes on and gives a speech today. listen to this clip. >> juan feels the way he feels. it is not my position to pass judgment. that is his feeling. that is between him and his psychiatrist and publicist. take your pick. it is not compatible with the role of a news analyst on npr. >> are you kidding me? >> a psychiatrist that now i am mentally unstable. >> he was the journalist running this