some of the suburbs, westchester county and white plains, you are seeing snow.ton, you are starting to see some of that snow mixed with rain. on the back side, cold air is -- we are cranking on this snow. let's move the forecast forward into the overnight hours. and we are still dealing with a lot of heavy snow across western new york and areas of pennsylvania and vermont and new hampshire. look at this. the rain continues to move out of new york but still across connecticut, rhode island, boston. we could see maybe one, maybe even two inches of rain, snow continues with cold air coming around. we are still watching more snow and then we get the great lakes involved and as well. dumping more snow in western new york. and by that time, new york city, you might see a few flurries. the worst of it is gone for you except the wind but now northern new england, parts of it, maine corks see a foot plus the snow coming through there. all of this, rain, the wind and snow, that will impact travel. as we head lou tonight some of the worst airports this evening will be arou

we just had a 26 mile per hour gusts at the airport. 23 in westchester -- that is producing wind chills of the lower end of the 20's. the wind chill in parkton is 22. 27 in edgewood. it will probably drop into the teens by late tonight after midnight. be prepared. the actual temperatures are in the low to mid 30's. there will probably be some re- freeze. although the wind is driving a lot of that. i doubt there will be huge icy spots for you to contend with in the morning. the futurecast. you can watch the time frame at the top of your screen. 9:00 tomorrow. tomorrow will be a quiet day. kind of windy and chilly but we do not expect any precipitation. plenty of sunshine. there could be a couple of snow flurries in the mountains. 8:00 in the morning on monday. you will notice a little bit of cloud cover starting to build up. there will be a system passing south of us on the years eve and new year's day that could produce a couple of light rain or snow showers. this is 7:30 in the evening under year's eve. it will be dry until midnight. but during the day, on tuesday, that system will pro

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also, a gun show planned for february in westchester county, new york, nearby the site of the shooting in connecticut, that show has been canceled. it was due to be held at a government-owned building and the westchester executive says it would be inappropriate to hold that event given what just happened in newtown. that same gun show was suspended for a decade in the wake of the columbine shooting in 1999. it was only brought back two years ago in 2010. but now after newtown, it has been suspended again. another gun show scheduled to start january 5th in danbury, connecticut, which is very nearby the shooting site, that gun show has also been canceled. the show's promoter is not as yet commenting as to why. those were all relatively unexpected developments in the business side of the guns world today. there was also unexpected news in the political side of the guns world. michigan's republican governor is rick snyder. and today he vetoed a republican bill that would have allowed concealed weapons inside of michigan churches, day-care centers, and schools. the bill passed through the r

young woman from wesleyan, a student with two books of man westchester she and the old wanted him to nscribe to her father or maybe her grand father who was a world war that vet. manchester invited her in, sat her down, offered her tea or wine and five marines talked about the war and she listened for two hours and probably got a story she would never gets again. and i just mets him hours earlier. and i thaought this is a generos man. and i always believed that. he would call my little boy patrick reid who helped me did the book, he is 20 now. and bill would call pat and they would talk about history and bill would call me back and say that little boy is pretty smart. things he didn't have to do. i noticed that. host: william manchester died at age 82 in 2004. winston churchill died age 90 in 1965. how old are you? guest: come on! 63. host: that was in "new york times" peeiece. guest: ok. host: they had you 62. guest: maybe he talked to me before my birthday. he should have asked with day were you born. i'm 63 now. host: the thing i want to ask you rb you, interesting to me, "new yor

"the journal news" created a web feature showing the addresses of all handgun permit holders in westchester and rockland counties, just north of new york city. the paper's editor said while they knew the database would be controversial, "sharing as much information as we could about gun ownership in our area was important in the aftermath of the newtown shootings." >>> and now that senator john kerry has been nominated for secretary of state, the focus is shifting to his potential replacement in massachusetts. senator scott brown, who was defeated last month by elizabeth warren, appears to be the clear choice for republicans. a poll conducted before the selection of kerry found brown dominating the field. the wbur poll also shows the senator topping any democrat by eight points. brown is yet to say whether he plans to run in the special election. as for the democrats, it's only clear who's not running right now. ted kennedy jr. was floated as a possible contender, but he says he's not interested. kennedy said he was grateful for the offers of support, but he considers connecticut to be his

new york newspaper the journal news for publishing the names and addresses of local gun owners in westchester and rockland county new york so in retaliation fountain took to his blog and published the names and addresses of the newspaper's publisher editor and staff who work on the story as he told c.n.n. yesterday he was offended by the newspaper's decision to call a local gun owners any quote wondered how they'd like it if their addresses were published too and quote whatever your opinion of what the journal news did or something weird about violating the privacy of journalists who are just doing their jobs and at the very least found should have remembered what we all learned in first grade two wrongs don't make a right and the very very ugly the state of kentucky the animal legal defense fund is out with its seventh annual. ranking the worst states in the nation when it comes to animal protection laws number one this year so you can talk you are going to be able d.f. the state of kentucky has an adequate definition of what is considered basic for animals state has absolutely no felony pro

an interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in new york's westchester and rockland counties. that map allows readers to zoom in on the red dots to indicate which residents are licensed to own pistols or resolve volvers. it received morning 1300 comments, mostly negative, threatening to cancel subscriptions. the paper said they did this in the wake of newtown and to focus on gun control, even though none of these people have committed any crime by owning their gun. they're just saying they want their readers to be interested in knowing about the guns in their neighborhoods. >>> a snowboarder was killed on monday after getting caught in an avalanche at donor ski ranch. the dog with a search team found the man who was in his 50s went missing. he was buried in three feet of snow at the base of the mountain. others say he enjoyed the mountain after moving back to the area. >>> a step of science fiction is put to the test. a private space flight company the grasshopper lifted off, hovered and then safely touched back down on a launchpad. the company says it's

he was concentrated in new york and chicago in westchester and albany. he wasn't yet where she needed to be. she demanded much from roosevelt and roosevelt gave it to him and named him the first ambassador, the first irish catholic ambassador to the port of saint james to great britain and was one of the worst decisions that roosevelt had ever made but he somehow believed he could keep kennedy in check, but he couldn't. he couldn't. kennedy was to men when he talked to his children he was a cheerleader, she was on optimist -- he was an optimist in the relationship into the 20th century, she was a having made his pile of money, he was convinced that it was going to be taken from him. he was convinced that democracy and capitalism would be taken from the united states. if the end united states entered the war, entered world war ii on behalf of the british. nothing was more important to him than making sure that there was no war and then keeping the united states out of the war and he did everything he possibly could. he violated critical. he didn't follow

in westchester county, outside of new york city, a local paper decided to publish the names of peopleayor has moved up a gun buyback program in an attempt to get guns off the streets. our own paul vercannon starts our coverage this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. here in los angeles, in just about two hours, they are going to begin their annual gun buyback program. the mayor reacting to what happened in newtown said that we needed to do something concrete right now. in just app short time, you'll see people will file behind this building. they were supposed to go ahead and take unloaded weapons and put them in their trunk. and what someone said to me off-camera, he said he liked the fact that there is anonymity, that no questions will be asked or paperwork to be filled out, that people will not basically have any photographs taken and that you won't have their license taken down. so that's the key to this gun buyback program. by the way, 8,000 guns taken in over four years. earlier this year on mother's day alone or the day before mother's day, 1,600 guns taken in an

scott summervila is president of the westchester new york fire owner association. he is on the list and joins me this morning. >> good morning, how are you? >> i'm good. you opened the newspaper and see your name, is that how you found out? >> yeah, actually i got a bunch of phone calls and said hey, by the way, this is not the first time they've done it. they've printed our names in the past but it's the first time they made it google earth where you can drag the man to see the person's house, and we have a huge worry because you actually made a criminal's job easier to case a house from the comforts of their own home on a computer on how they could break in. >> by that, the thief knows where he can steal a gun? >> steal a gun, where the guns are and what home there are and how many windows, doors, access, their escape route, entry root can be just by clicking a mouse. >> the paper says there are residents at westchester county and beyond who want to know who has guns in their neighborhoods because they feel safer that way. how do you respond to the newspaper? >>

he concentrated in north country new york and chicago, westchester and albany.he was not yet where he wanted to be. he committed much from roosevelt and was looking to him. roosevelt named 10 the first ambassador, the first irish catholic ambassador. he became the ambassador to great britain and it is one of the worst decisions roosevelt ever made. he knew, but somehow believed he could keep kennedy in check, but he couldn't. he couldn't. kennedy was too men. he tucked his children. he was a cheerleader, he was an optimist, but in his relationship to the world around him and to the 20 century, having made his pilot money, he was convinced that he was going to be taken from him. he was convinced that democracy and capitalism would be taken from the united states if the united states entered the war, after world war ii in behalf of the british. nothing was more important to him than making sure that there was no war. keeping britain out of the were first meant keeping the united states out of the war. he did everything he possibly could. he violated protocol. he d

israel cornell is the director of neuro surgery at northern westchester hospital.d her prognosis should be good. >> with time and with the medication, the clot itself will dissolve and won't cause a clot into the lung. it will recover -- some of the hazards will recover fully. >> reporter: clinton is expected to be at the hospital for 48 hours being treated with anticoagulants. kristen thorn, abc news, new york. >> we wish her a speedy recovery. >> and some are speculating that she may have a deep vain thrombosis. >> she had that before. >> if they are keeping her in the hospital for 48 hours and she's on anti-coagulants, you know, your mind starts wondering. but the danger with the dvt, the clot can break off, travel to your lung, giving you a pulmonary embolism. and you're dead on the spot. david bloom, rapper heavy dee. so she's likely receiving blood thinning medication being given by the doctors and nurses. once she's released, she'll have to take medications for six months if not longer. >> rest assured, she is getting attended to by the best of the best. >>

they mapped in westchester and rockland counties information on gun permit holders.ne, but each of these circles -- i won't click them here to show you my journalistic point here. the fury is about if you zoom in on any of these and you you click on a circle, you get information who the person is and what the address is. that helps anyone who wants to know who is a gun permit holder in the area. they have a second map people might not have seen as much. this is the blue here in another county. they say the blue represents the people who have updated their -- the permit holders that center purchased a firearm or updated their permit in the past five years in rockland county. so they got some information from different counties. now, this has set off a ton of anger online. so much so that the newspaper itself is talking about it. first, i'll show you a few quotes among the thousands on the website itself of this newspaper. this is crazy. i hope you lose readers. a valuable piece of information for criminals. totally out of line. folks, that's just us collecting four ou

they've taken a course in one of these counties, in westchester county. in order to get their hand gun license. these are law abiding citizens. they shouldn't be treated like they should be shunned or shamed and that's the purpose of this list. >> gretchen: to point out, this list shows who doesn't have a hand gun. i think that almost puts them at severe danger. >> again, i think this is something that we really need to pay attention to because we're dealing with first amendment rights, u.s.er supreme court in 2008 stated that individuals have a right to possess a hand gun in the home. we've got new york licensing laws that people are complying with. so there is no excuse for this newspaper to try to shame and shun these individuals into not owning a gun. >> gretchen: michael barns, attorney and policy advisor. thanks for breaking that down for us. >> thank you. >> gretchen: coming up next, remember the four state department officials who were supposed to be out of a job over the benghazi, libya bungle? well, there is a fine line somewhere in all of this.

on sunday, the journal news published interactive maps of westchester and rockland counties showing information about pistol and revolver permit holders. critics say it puts supporters in danger. opponents say it will show you neighbors are armed and were not not. >>> the day after christmas around the country was a rough day for some. power is out in places and some are stuck at airports. elizabeth corda has the report. >> if you're in a hurry to get somewhere, you could be if trouble on one of the busiest travel days of the year, highways are a mess, airports no better. >> just be calm. you can't change it, so take it for what it is and make the best of a bad situation. >> reporter: but if you're looking at departure boards that look like this and through windshields that look like this, be prepared to be hit with a case of the post-holiday travel blues. the sound of jingle bells now replaced by the scraping of plows on pavement. tires trudging through snow and whipping winds. blizzard and winter storm warnings are posted for a wide swath of the united states. right along where kind of that r

. >>> i was the first woman to prosecute a murder case in my county of westchester in new york. i had to prove i was every bit as smart, capable, and prepared as man. stand on my own two feet in front of a jury, and yes, even do it in high heels. never once did i say i didn't know the facts, didn't know the law,kn or didn't know my case. and i never hid behind my boss. hello and welcome to justice. this week susan rice rears her head after 11 weeks in hiding on heree benghazi misstatements. what she didn't explain, her total lack of candor to the american people. instead, she raised more questions about her fitness to be secretary of state. >> i don't trust her, and the reason i don't trust her is because i think she knew better and if she didn't know better, she shouldn't be the voice of america. somebody has got to start paying a price around this place. >> this o week we learned susan rice was the head of the african region for our state department in 1998 when the embassy bombs occurred in kenya and tanzania kneiand the diplomats there begd for more security. even more shock

. >>> so a newspaper in westchester, new york, is defending itself after gaining national attention forublishing names and addresses of gunholders. gun owners fired back, saying the paper's decision invaded their privacy and could make them vulnerable to thieves. as this debate over gun control picks up steam, more schools are considering plans to arm school officials or bring in armed guards in the wake of what happened in connecticut. residents in marlboro, new jersey voted on a decision. joining mess is jonathan horn ec. great to have you here, mr. mayor. this was all done in the wake of newtown. you looked at what took place in connecticut and respected your schools are vulnerable. how has the parents of the nine schools responded to nose this is going to happen. the response hag overwhelmingly positive. we have a community that cares about its students. we want to create a safe learning environment. what happened in newtown, first let me say my prayers and thoughts go to that entire community. we need to change our security protocol. we're all anxiously waiting for a report to come

we still have two nursing homes on generator power in the westchester area. obviously the roads are still -- we're still receiving some snow. but the department of transportation -- excuse me -- has done a magnificent job. the governor wanted all snow plows, contractors' snow employs out on the roads last night. we did have some road plow closures during the height of the storm but by and large most of the roads are doing pretty well. gregg: this thing -- i live in westchester and it literally blew me off my feet last night as i was trying to get home, but things amazingly this morning seemed to be back in service. >> yeah, as i said earlier, everyone new thi knew this storm was coming. both the local governments. we were in touch with all the local governments throughout the last two days. we had our emergency operations center open. the state department of transportation, and the local state department of transportation and the local dog's really did a magnificent job. they were ready for it, they had crews out on the streeter lee, and they were able to get

here are light showers out toward borne county and green county and westchester, virginia. even light rain showers. southern maryland, southern st. mary's county, southern charles county. waldorf, la plata, could see a little light rain. again, not looking for frozen precipitation. that is good news. bus stop weather. kids going to need a jacket, lightweight umbrella, temperatures in the 30s. highs upper 40s and low 50s. plenty of clouds. could see a little peek or two of sun later on this afternoon if you're good. over to danella. >> good morning. >>> well, chuck, checking our area. it's friday and so far pretty quiet. not seeing any congestion. road work that was happening overnight appears to be gone. as you make your way to the capital beltway, your travel lanes are open. over to i-95, same story, nice and clear. i'll give you a live look at 198. cars getting by without any issues at all. taking the rails, they're open. not seeing any delays along the metro, marc, vre. they're clear as well. >>> breaking news at 5:01. here's melissa mollet at the news 4 live desk. >> th

mark is joining us from westchest westchester, pennsylvania. thanks for being here.wot plhe plans and how it would impact the american people. we have a different threshold and 400,000 and the president and $1 million and above for boehner. >> obviously, a lot fewer people would be affected by the boehner plan. it's only those who make over a million dollars and very few of those and very few over 400 k. my sense is there's middle ground here, and the middle ground is 500,000 in income. when we get a deal, my guess is people that make over 500,000, will see a tax increase. if you make less you won't see a tax increase. about 1% to 2% makes over 500k, so the vast majority of americans won't feel the impact of the increase in marginal tax rates. >> what about small businesses? if you tax people more it hurts small businesses who end up employing folks. >> yeah. i don't think that's a strong argument. yes, there are small business owners that are in that top tax bracket and they will be affected, but most small businesses, at least the most that people think about, the

. >> that line is westchester county. below is new york city and not many dots.y try to keep concealed carry weapons down. >> the crime rate increases. >> you have a ten times higher -- more likely to be affected by a violent crime in new york city than one of these counties. but let's talk about this map, just for handguns. >> anybody that has a permanent. people -- permit. these are people obeying the law. the presumption by the paper is that these people are doing something wrong. like i said, they have never done this with level 3 sexual predators or rape as i say almost saying the gun owner is more dangerous than a sexual predator. >> the gun owner next door. it's not people who are doing the right way and following the law, it's illegal firearms out there. there's a lot of talk about gun control. we need a national conversation about nut control. >> eric: we need to point out people upset with the map aren't gun owners, it's people next door whose house doesn't have a dot so you're telling the criminal don't go to the house with the dot. a stupid idea. >> a

it was in westchester. i live there. fyi. our panel joins us now.attorney brian claypool and trial attorney deborah blum. deborah, is this right or wrong? >> it's, as you said earlier, perfectly legal, but i feel that it's wrong. it's not fair to make scapegoats of people who lawfully possess pistol permits, and that's exactly what the newspaper did here. gregg: are they punishing, deborah, people for owning a gun? >> i do think they are punishing people for owning the gun. in this country pursuant to the second amendment people have the rights to bear arms, and they've published the list of the names of these people who do have that right, and their neighbors might now feel fear. they, those who do not have guns are listed, and they might be more susceptible to break-ins. gregg: brian, what do you think of this? >> well, gregg, i don't think this is an invasion of neighbor's privacy rights. we need to all have a second set of eyes right now to look out for our neighbors, to protect our children in this country. we're 20 times more likely to die in

westchester county's "the journal news" ran the feature in the aftermath of the newtown school massacre, calling it a public service to inform the public of who may own guns in their community. the map is filled with thousands of dots that to be clicked to display a permit holder's name and address. its publication has set off a debate on privacy of public safety in a country where guns are rampant and legal. an nbc news anchor is under investigation in washington, d.c. after dispelling an ammunition magazine on a weekly show "meet the press." nbc news host david gregory held up the gun cartridges as he interviewed when lapierre. >> here is a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 wallets. isn't it possible that if we got rid of these, if we replace them and said, which can only have a magazine that carries by bullets or 10 bullets, isn't it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like newtown? >> i don't believe that will make one additiodifferent. >> he may have violated the law. why lt. governor brian schatz has been tapped to fill the senate seat left vacant b

general news in westchester, new york published an interactive map that had a people with concealed weapons on their website. that seems to be an invasion of privacy at the least. >> funny thing. also, you had folks who supported proposition-8 in california who were also identified in a similar manner and you had folks sending them harassing e-mails and what have you. this is not just about gun permits. there's a lot more transparency in our culture right now and information is more accessible. this thing is going to be more common. >> i've run three newspapers. i would not have done this, but these are public documents. we see stories done all the time, you talk about crime stats in certain areas. we talk about rapes. you talk about murder victims. again, also, the census takes data and shows the concentration of certain things. and so when you have a public document, and in this case this is what you're going to see. what's what happens when you sign up for a handgun. >> this is an important civic debate we need to continue. >>> a severe and deadly winter storm slams the east coast. it ki

for plowers in westchester county, all the snow translates to cold, hard cash. >> lots of money.ake lots of money. that's all. >> reporter: clearing acre after acre into the night, they had their work cut out for them. >> i've seen worse, but it's slippery. >> reporter: and whether it was 1 or 12 inches of new snow, the cold behind is sure to make any melting freeze hard. >> it's just normal procedure for the wintertime here. so you got to have some ice melt so people don't fall down the stairs. >> reporter: now let's go to killingworth, connecticut, just one of the places that had a foot. we sent our john schriffen there. >> reporter: as you predicted, this area just got dumped on. i'm going to take my yardstick and put it into a fresh piece of snow here. as you can see, we got about 10 1/2 inches in killingworth. now, the good news, the snow ended early enough for the plows to get out here overnight and clear many of these roads, but the fear this morning, the winds have really kicked up dropping the temperatures, which means there could be ice out along this area. ginger? >> p

interactive map on its website showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit owners in westchesteres. you can see them here represented by red dots. the response has been overwhelmingly angry. and some residents who don't have guns say it lets potential robbers know who isn't armed. "the journal news" says it made the decision to put up the map in response to the connecticut school massacre. >>> if you live in los angeles and own a gun, today is the day to exchange it for a gift card. the buyback is being conducted by the l.a. police department, usually held in may. but this year, it's being held ahead of schedule in response to the massacre at the elementary school in connecticut. los angeles mayor toantonio villaraigosa told us that many people want things to change. >> i'm supporting senator feinstein's assault weapons ban. we have one in california. for those of us who got to watch the nra commercial last week, the notion that more guns in the hands of good people will prevent gun crimes just isn't borne out by the facts. >> $100 gift cards are being offered for handguns, rifle

an interactive map of all the people in new york's westchester and rockland counties who legally own gun permts and this caused an uproar. people say this is a terrible abuse. the reporter who wrote the story has a gun permit. did the paper go too far? >> yes, it singles out individuals. you can't leave common sense at the door that you're talking about a weapon in someone's home that could or should have been a way of using the database and publicly available information. when you go get a gun permit, you should know people can find that out about you. >> to announce to the world and who has the guns and doesn't has guns and you talked to someone who lives in that area. >> i did. she claimed that she was brought down to the level of a sex offender. >> a woman who legally owns a gun. >> legally owns a gun and she was, she didn't want too many facts about her situation to be printed by me, but she felt she was really trashed by this thing. i think the database is fine. i think publishing is fine and i think the story that accompanied it was a piece of garbage and, so, they were unable

if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a definition? how much out of every dollar should they realistically be allowed to keep and we still innocent advise them to keep working hard and creating jobs because the people, the rich he is talking about, are a lot of small business owners that create jobs for a lot of middle class americans that he claims he has a monopoly on caring about. >> most of the small businesses in the country would benefit. they are part of the 98% so they would do just fine. >> a specific answer. >> i think it's not -- over 50%. but that's not

see, the map is made up of tens of thousands of dots representing people who own gun permits in westchester county. some people are furious. so is this fair game for anyone wanting to exercise the 2nd amendment right or is it an outrageous invasion of privacy. i have to say this wrang ls for me. no matter where you stand on the debate, publishing names and home addresses in this context is really inappropriate. and look. i understand that a lot of the information is publicly available if you go out and search for it but to me this smacks of sort of naming and shaming responsible gun owners and making them seem as if they're criminals and frankly, you know, i think this is a mistake that liberals make in this debate a lot. it feels like we're conflating people who own guns with people who are criminals. and that's why we lose on this issue a lot and i'd say, you know, if the information was publicly available of muslim americans after 9/11, would it be okay to publish their names and addresses and make them targets? this is toetdly unacceptable. >> that's a false equivalence. being muslim do

this n this case the united way of westchester -- western connecticut, excuse me, is involved and having the community select where the funds are going to go. you have save the children. donors choose is a great organization. there's a whole lot of organizations out there that have a track record, a reputation. they do wonderful work. don't despair. please just do a little research and don't just give on impulse. >> ken berger, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> and just a note from a local official in newtown. she said the town has received so many gifts since the tragedy that the post office and local workers can't even handle the volume anymore. she's actually asking people to stop sending things and instead donate them to needy families in their own communities. as far as donations, there are several legitimate funds for the victims, including one for noah pozner. you can find a list of places to donate at impact your world. cnn.com/impact. >>> breaking news when we come back. looks like president obama and congressional leaders will try again tomorrow to steer us back from

you know, the median home price in westchester county is close to $1 million, no mortgages up there.dale, just writing about this, a weak economy going into 2013 and all of the uncertainties is going to keep investors very short term in their thinking and the same thing with business executives. why do corporations have all the cash, maria? because of the fed and because of uncertainty. there's no commercial paper market now so your average treasurer keeps more cash for operations, and he's got to fund his customers. he's got to give them terms. nobody understands this at the fed. >> you're right. what about the fed, harry? were you pleased or unhappy with the fed action this week? what do we have going now, qe4? >> it's absolutely desperate that you have to keep upping the ante, and showing how weak the economy is. we're still in critical care, on life support, and we'd be in big trouble without $1 trillion in stimulus. in europe the stimulus stopped working in 2012. in 2013 the stimulus is just not going to make an impact. these more wealthy people that will be spending will be hit