those of the other side but come on it's not only the western europeans the poles for example played also quiet there and that event i violated no this is history i think the confrontation the poet in the world because pulled was moved to he acting on that old he's the old fool bellows and building a business is for a man thing some sort of if you consider all possible alternatives frozen conflict may not be desirable but it may actually be a lesser evil at least from the russian point of view because as you said russia indeed does not want to see nader in your crane now can i ask you the europeans specifically the e.u. position what exactly the e.u. now wants to see in ukraine and i'm not asking you about best wishes in the most practical terms given the underlying causes of this conflict what is the bast possible scenario that the e.u. should be working toward. i think i repeat there is no real strategy of the european union to craned this sort of a lot of different opinions within the european union by the member states for sure which is quite ok if that is happening and i think s

reception in the rest of the western european concern is to changes in russia then it's going to relate to the subjects i think it was for a very long time russia over time i mean. very primitive in what was the differentiation was not really seen i think maybe the press action of the changes even the big go a bit of it didn't go into the right direction and afterwards i think. for a lot of people it was not really of it was a tremendous change in the russia happening for sure you needed time to consume it it's not happening from one day to the other and i think everybody has to learn out of the own history now and if it is coming begged to to create the confrontation then the old images are coming up but i think at that point of time nobody really either on the e.u. side nor in russia side realize that it was actually approaching that very critical confrontational moment and i want to ask you about the second part of these manichean image of the bright and shiny european union why did that image come from because the european union as successful as it was it was also having its own str

are also on the other side but come on it's not only the western europeans the poles for example played all sat quiet there and had to vent by five now this is history i think the confrontation poland and that ayesha is allowed last thing went on and i think it's also the question of consummation what has happened by the end of the second world war because poland was moved two hundred kilometers west towards. losing newsies the bones are getting from germany a duchess and i hear what they're going to say parts of their country into this still not yet concealed so everybody is essentially acting on that old historical and sometimes mystical grievances because it's primitive i think you you have no to making any distinctions if you have nothing to consider i think you are using the old follows and the old revisions and lifts it now let's put history aside and let's try to move to look for it i've heard you say that what russia is currently interested in ukraine is for managing some sort of a frozen conflict and i would not actually dispute that because if you consider all possible alterna

activities of this heinous nature such as to be perpetrated in barcelona in finland and in other western european russia in egypt and elsewhere you mentioned the word terrorism before. correct me if i'm wrong but i think there is hardly a state in the region or perhaps in other parts of the world that doesn't rely on armed or extremist groups to advance its foreign policy that's just the nature of geopolitics the only one that agree with you at all egypt has never resorted to any such organizations to promote its interests minister with all due respect i think your primary saudi arabia has a very concerning record in that regard egypt itself is fighting a hobbist inspired insurgency on its own territory so if you won that sanction qatar is fighting the muslim brotherhood ideology on its territory just as always come to an ideology and a political movement that has to be. resisted i think it is wrong to generalize what is apparent is the. terrorist groups were. established and recognized by the united nations have been designated as such or have been designated by national legislation as is the ca

i thought you wanted to turn this into a western european country.we believe you know big debt, taxes, slow growth. no have an opportunity to try it our way. and that to get the country growing faster. and they do not like it. so there are big things that we differ on certain have big differences on healthcare. that does not mean we do not ever come together and also, we do not haiti. i think most of you think we all hate each other. i want to tell you there hasn't been a single incident with a congressman from south carolina came there was a must beat another senator with a cane which happened in the 1950s. [laughter] this has been a big ruckus country for 240 some odd years goodwin had been debates about wars and depressions. i am not alarmed about all of this and i think it will à thank you for serving the country so many years. symptoms about the budget. when will happen -- when we will have a budget order as well as payment of the sequester? >> will have to reach an agreement on what we will spend for the balance of the year this month. that wil

our society is ready to accept and create something new something new something different from western european values. but not all the former soviet republics wanted to be different from the west some like the baltic states wanted to become part of it. estonia latvia and lithuania made the greatest efforts to draw away from russia to eventually join the e.u. and nato and became part of the new europe. we are in central europe. we were illegally occupied and we are now striving for democracy and european citizenship. but large parts of the old soviet union went in another direction in some regions it even seems as if time is too and still many people have left their villages in search of a better life for the day there was a house here and one there and over there where the trees were was a house to arouse us everywhere. many now look back in anger at the end of the soviet union. new borders sprang up countries and peoples were divided by heated debates about whether they were russian and ukrainian moldova nor chechen. one example was trying . a small breakaway region that grew up in response t

there is a sort of, it seems to me, tension between the old western european countries and the new eastern't it? exactly. but i do think it's interesting that the eu has to uphold the rule of law, liberal democracy, that sense of... but sanctions is a big step. it's a big step and there is definitely — and we're going to see that in the brexit negotiations as well, the old eu, the new eu. but i think ultimately, the eu does have to uphold those values which is what it stands for. toby, the counter—argument which the poles make is, "look, we are a democratically elected government, what we choose to do in our country is none of your business, leave us alone". i think it's for someone on my side of the brexit debate who both believes in the rule of law, believes in universal human rights and so forth but also believes in national self—determination, this is a really tricky one. but i think the eu would certainly have a lot more credibility as the upholders of the rule of law and universal human rights if they hadn't supported the spanish government in its absolutely brutal crackdown of the i

you have to go up with taxes and move faster into becoming a western european welfare society.e not yet there. gdp per capita in the czech republic is still half of what it is in austria. you have to give them another 25 years to adapt, and those 25 .ears would be hugely important if europe tries to force these countries to adopt faster, you will see a lot of resistance, and you could see those , enlargingnifying it, and moving away from the european current. matt: we already see a lot of european resistance. i look at the success of the freedom party in austria, the success of the afd here in germany. how do you square that with the sort of mainstream desire or assumption that we are moving towards thinking union -- banking union, deeper integration in europe? how do you see those two ends playing out? guest: i think they have very little to do with it. development of right or left populist movements has a lot to do with the migration issue and nothing else. economic policy, they do play a minor role. in principle, i would say that they are, like all populist a veryts, not rea

not the leave it it was it changed never really i think the press section in the rest of the western european concerning some changes in russia then it's going to relate to the subjects i think it was for a very long time russia over time i mean. very primitive in faultlessly differentiation was not really seen i think maybe the best option of the changes even the big o. a bunch of that it didn't go in there i think action and afterwards i think. for a lot of people it was not clear that there was a tremendous change in the russia happening for sure you needed time to conceal me it's not happening from one day to the other and i think everybody has to learn out of the own history now and if he's coming back to to create you know confrontation then the.

not they live it it was it changed never really i think the press action in the rest of the western european could say things are changes in russia then it's going to relate to the subjects i think it was for a very long time russia over time i mean. very primitive it was the differentiation was not really seen i think maybe the press action of the changes even the big go a bit of it didn't go it that i thought action and afterwards i think. for a lot of people it was not really of it was a tremendous change in the russia happening for sure you needed time to consume it it's not happening from one day to the other and i think everybody has to learn out of the own history now and if it is coming bag to to create you know confrontation then the old images are coming up but i think at that point of time nobody really either on the e.u. side nor in russia side realized that it was actually approaching that very critical confrontational moment and i want to ask you about the second part of these manichean image of the bride in shiny european union why did that image come from because the european

which there is a new set of fragmentations inside the european union, which are dividing the old western europeanhe union? i am thinking of the so—called visagrad countries — poland, hungary, the czech republic, you could add a few more. they are very unhappy with much of what they hear coming from the centralised institutions in brussels. i think they are beginning to feel that they are being frozen out of the decision—making process. well, a european union with 28 member states, or in future with 27 member states without the united kingdom, is a complicated organisation. undoubtedly. but if you look at the history of the eu, six member states, 9, i2, 15, it has always been challenging. europe always lives on the willingness of the member states to find compromises. yes, there are different views on migration between the west and the east. hang on. it is easy to say it is just about migration. it is also about you, well, not you personally, but the brussels institutions telling the poles that in terms of their treatment of their judiciary and their constitution, they are behaving outside the par

of the diversity lottery was to get more people like the people who populated america, i.e., western europeansecause the 1965 immigration act basically shut down white immigration to america. the original idea is we are not getting anyone from england. let's have a diversity lottery. jesse: they already speak english. >> and they don't think it's a man's duty to rape a woman dressing provocatively. within a few years it completely flipped. the ones who are on the 8 department terrorist list, those are the winners of the diversity lottery. that's bad enough that we are going to put all of the countries on the 8 department terrorist lottery. by the's a powerball. we get 20 million applications a year. 7% of all immigrants from the united states, you are coming in from one of the worst countries in the world and we are going to randomly pick your name out of a hat. we are already a diverse country. >> i have got to correct you. i know we have been told this he dave our lives. there is nothing good about diversity. every place there is diversity there is civil war and countries are breaking up. it

of the diversity lottery was to get more people like the people who populated america, i.e., western europeansecause the 1965 immigration act basically shut down white immigration to america. the original idea is we are not getting anyone from england. let's have a diversity lottery. jesse: they already speak english. >> and they don't think it's a man's duty to rape a woman dressing provocatively. within a few years it completely flipped. the ones who are on the 8 department terrorist list, those are the winners of the diversity lottery. that's bad enough that we are going to put all of the countries on the 8 department terrorist lottery. by the's a powerball. we get 20 million applications a year. 7% of all immigrants from the united states, you are coming in from one of the worst countries in the world and we are going to randomly pick your name out of a hat. we are already a diverse country. >> i have got to correct you. i know we have been told this he dave our lives. there is nothing good about diversity. every place there is diversity there is civil war and countries are breaking up. it

anti immigration anti neo liberalism and basically anti any sort of liberalism and with the western european states we've got all these things that need resolving and they're and there's no leadership from germany and no leadership for maybe four or five months so this is i mean he must be saying how could i be so lucky i get trump in america now i've got no government in germany britain is basically a government on the whole it's all going according to plan it's not like we're going on that if i mean what does he have of perhaps you know europe is. trying to find itself but putin doesn't have any advantage from that you know the union is in disarray surely you know but i mean that's but yet that might be i don't really agree but anyway that doesn't help him only because you have all you can say is europe is in disarray he want he can pose you his destabilization program in ukraine for instance which make no mistake about it is designed to reintegrate europe yell transit is in the empire and there's no i'm going to america has been the person who's stopped him from doing that but you know i

but he could be the leader of the western european. attitude that c. minus great britain of course so it doesn't mean that many countries. i just chuckled slightly when you mention tony blair and all explained now because michael just visited saudi arabia the region of course is in is in huge turmoil. and i suspect he's trying to play this kind of tony blair role i mean he's going to come in and he's going to be the great negotiator brings peace to of conflict i mean do you think that's what he's trying to do and if so easy doing it to try and bring peace or is he doing it to kind of build this is kind of his own reputation is trying to build its own reputation you've seen him with president putin invest you're not he knows how to world can people what in france france's wonderful buildings i mean trump and the idea for tower and over so for for president putin now. to dubai to meet the shaikh there in. dubai and i ease in in saudi arabia a very quick brief encounters to try to to organize the agreement of the europeans with saudi arabia not to start a

but, you know a number of western european democracy as well. you cannot say just because he did that and he had success in that. we don't have more success like gaining knnotarity. yeah, she's getting credits for some of the things they successfully pulled off. we cannot sit back and take it as an alternative. you have to call and prefer back to the facts and we know what those are. >> joey, as the defensive attorney speaking to defend yourself, i want to get your take. we have compiled some numbers. the number is 51 separate communications. there is been nine blanket denials of those contacts. joey, as a defensive attorney, how do you explain that? >> as to the quantity of contact, it is about the contents of those contacts. the issue is what if anything were you doing to interfere with an election. that's we had to keep our eyes on the pride. we cannot look at the quantity of the context. that the event of what you are doing from a prosecutor's perspective, that's conscious of guilt. >> or denial. >> why are you not doing this? i think you ha

of course the berlin rossini authorities didn't think the appearance of the stuffed toys in western european cities was humorous you know ground off was hauled in again. in this one was in the middle we didn't last that long as consequence then they put us in jail. thank you more the high and mighty were afraid of boys putting toys around the city. that's just stupid at the cost of. doing just one of those little ones and then you may move on with it you will not know what i said. when you at the new huge did you good to see i was sentenced to four years in prison for movies and music i had to serve so many years for absolutely nothing. that goes on but you don't only suffer yourself assess what your relatives suffer to live that's the worst thing that. my wife also spent fifteen days in jail in the end we got married in prison. i was wearing prison clothes no jacket nothing completely in black with my prison number. set i didn't have a white dress or a veil so precious metals are forbidden in prisons so there were no rings. it was all pretty sober and somber but still it's my best memory fr

anti immigration anti neo liberalism and basically anti any sort of liberalism and with the western european states we've got all these things that need resolving and there and there's no leadership from germany and no leadership for maybe four or five months so this is i mean you must be saying how could i be so lucky i get trump in america now i've got no government in germany britain is basically a government on the whole it's all going according to plan it's not like we're going to have fun on that if i mean what does he have of perhaps you know europe is . trying to find itself but putin doesn't have any advantage from that you know didn't union is in disarray surely you know but i mean that's but yet that might be i don't really agree but anyway that doesn't help him only because you have all you can say is europe is in disarray if you want he can because you his destabilization program in ukraine for instance which make no mistake about it is designed to reintegrate europe yell transit is in the empire and there's no i'm going to america has been the person who's stopped him from doin

mark: joining us run our frankfurt bureau is our western european central bank team leader from bloomberg news. why are central bankers getting so worked up about forward guidance? become aially, it has policy instrument which was stated by mario draghi. not that long ago, you can remember central bankers reduce an interest rate increase or cut out of nowhere. 20 years ago the bank of england was not even entirely their decision. the workings of the process were mysterious which is no longer the case. central banks are much more transparent. they have found that if they want to avoid rocking markets, they need to have a consistent signal of what they will do and forward guidance has become the tool. mark: we have heard their view on forward guidance and what does it mean for the future, what does it tell us about future policy from these big central-bank heads? >> it means everyone is looking very closely. the wording of the central bankers, when they give their policy statements and when they give their press conferences. goldman sachs did a study and found that these matters a lot. the

. >> once again bosnian civilians forced to flee their homes in terror while the western european nationsg about it. >> this is the tragedy of srebrenica. now overrun by bosnian forces. the bosnian/serb general walked in as if a conquering hero. >> the general came swaggering in to srebrenica. and some of the most chilling video that will always remain with me. he said, don't be afraid. we're not going to hurt you. he instructed soldiers to give them sweets and candies and things like that. as soon as the cameras were turned off, the men were put on buses, taken out, lined up, and machine gunned to death and just because they were muslim. >> bosnian serbs face new charges of genocide. madelyn albright displayed photographs of mass graves. >> there were terrible things going on in bosnia, but it took the visuals to prove it. >> the sarajevo market was crowded with monday morning shoppers when death fell from the sky. >> bill clinton decided to use force. the idea that he would be the american leader who would get nato to participate in its first military campaign was not something that was

last few decades has been to move away from force as an instrument of state power, particularly western european countries, none of whom when it comes to defense, some people call it appeared a strategic community, so i don't think the laws themselves are the problem. they give you the ability to do what you need to do if you can justify it. i think it is our interpretation of that dilemma. i know in the industry now parts of the attack at the macworld that bend in the same month in the safety, you know, things like that, we just don't need new norms. we may need to rethink the politics of how we use force. part of that is even the russians and the chinese are careful to not cross them at all defined threshold that would provoke a military reaction. we have entered a new way to think about conflict and we use technology to influence each other. we need to think through that not so much to change the laws, but maybe change how we apply those. >> we are going to turn out to questions from the audience. i've been announced to keep in mind that the event is being live streamed and also on c-span. he

and the notion that we should ignore their very active and clever cyber campaign against western european democracy in the united states is utterly nonsense. but back to the real point, north korea is on a collision course with reality and a lot is exacerbated, in my judgment, by mr. trump mocking and making light of this 33-year-old brute who dominates north korea and who unfortunately now has more than 60 nuclear devices and the means to deliver them at least in the region. our current posture with a very limited diplomatic engagement is possibly leading us to war on the korean peninsula. >> i was in north korea for a week, just recently, and i have to say, north korea's response to president trump's speech in south korea fits with everything i've heard. they are calling him a destroyer saying he is begging for nuclear war. how should, jim mccaffrey, the president respond to that kind of language to north korea and should he at all. >> well, he shouldn't. the two leaders could be blunt, into adolescent exchange of comical threats. but nothing is funny about the potential of an null out

consistently pushed for further accession of these countries to the european union then you have the western european countries on on average who have been a lot more cautious remember in the netherlands there was a referendum even on the association deal with ukraine and a large majority a majority of votes saying they didn't want to station agreement because they were scared that it would lead to fool you membership for ukraine off that referendum the e.u. . basically the fudge and said association doesn't mean a guarantee of future membership and that's the way they were able to get this association agreement through and you have the e.u. parliament that's very pro rewarding these countries for the progress they've made the commission is a bit more cautious i think the most important remember here is we don't have a roadmap for these countries to membership so that really does seem to suggest that the cautious more critical position seems to winning out for now what about ukraine where you just returned from we saw in your report one lawmaker think he does hope that your membership is on the horiz

western—style, european faces, but by an asian hand.esia, now on display at singapore‘s national gallery. both of them were trained in their respective countries, indonesia and the philippines, before travelling to europe. juan luna won major awards in spain. and this was the first time an artist from the colonies achieved the same status as their european peers. luna‘s work, espana y filipinas, or spain and the philippines, puts their colonial relationship in a greco—roman motif, with spain leading the way up a grand staircase, to the future. raden saleh of indonesia was known for his orientalist animal hunts and landscapes, winning over an audience eager for such exotic scenes. even as their asian contemporaries enjoyed a degree of success in europe, some impressionist painters had trouble finding an audience at home. this painting by claude monet was actually rejected by the paris salon of 1869. but today, impressionist works are as popular as ever, especially here in asia. you can see it in the japanese bridge. we are where monet bu

western—style, european faces, but by an asian hand.t singapore's national gallery. both of them were trained in their respective countries, indonesia and the philippines, before travelling to europe. juan luna won major awards in spain. and this was the first time an artist from the colonies achieved the same status as their european peers. luna's work, espana y filipinas, or spain and the philippines, puts their colonial relationship in a greco—roman motif, with spain leading the way up a grand staircase, to the future. raden saleh of indonesia was known for his 0rientalist animal hunts and landscapes, winning over an audience eager for such exotic scenes. even as their asian contemporaries enjoyed a degree of success in europe, some impressionist painters had trouble finding an audience at home. this painting by claude monet was actually rejected by the paris salon of 1869. but today, impressionist works are as popular as ever, especially here in asia. you can see it in the japanese bridge. we are where monet built this garden. paul

but so far we haven't seen that kind of concerted or unified response from western european countries which we shared common ideas and values. so that's why i think american government should give up more its campaign of diplomatic isolation against north korea, asking the american allies to follow the suit, to follow the americas policy to isolate north korea diplomatically. now in north korean workers, tens of thousands of north korean workers are working in american middle east allies like kuwait. the arab emirate. but these arab countries are still allowing north korean workers working in their countries. american ally like poland are still allowing the north korean workers working in their shipyards. so a lot of measures can be taken with the cooperation with american allies. why american government cannot ask arab allies to do more. >> and if i could interrupt at that point, we have to have sanctions legislation which allows us to deploy sanctions against those entities. and we should be doing that. that's a very good point. >> we need to go to mr. brad schneider. >> mass massiv