william westmoreland. so so he's the one tasked with defeating the the insurgents the communist threat in in southern vietnam. and his entire approach is predicated on this on this search and destroy. ta and and and and and body counts. so so basically what what westmoreland sks to do to achieve victory is kill asany enemy troops vietcong and north as he can. so so er americans go into combat once combat is over, they have to count how many vietnamese bodies are left behind. and based on on on on the numbers provided westmoreland measured how successful the u.s. was in in the war beyond all of that in terms of finding the enemy's right because because the vietnamese early on that they're really no match american forces so if anything that the vietcong and the north vietnamese troops will to avoid as much as they can actually engaging americans in combat, they'll go after troops of the south vietnamese regime feeling pretty confident their odds against them but try to avoid major combat with american troops

and westmoreland said, oh, no, no, you couldn't been ambushed because this is right. a point when westmoreland was trying to raise the troop levels and win the war by battles of attrition and had to made every battle look like a victory. and barrow said, well, i don't know. i mean, you were there. i saw i don't know what it was if it wasn't a an ambush. and so all of soldiers, when i interviewed them decades, whether they went on to support the war and think it was worthwhile or they went on to oppose it and there were men on both sides of that question. all of them said, oh, want is the truth. and i think every soldier wants that. yeah, every citizen deserves that as well. jim, what are your thoughts on the sort of pendulum swing in how we treat our veterans? i really can't i really don't know much about this one. one little sort of anecdote that i can sort of offer is that in later years there were i came across a people who weren't in vietnam who not soldiers in vietnam who claimed be there was a certain amount of braggadocio about this. they wanted to let people k

. >> john: and what the westmoreland district attorney said about this, mr.l be here today if those messages did not influence and encourage him to take his own life. there's no evidence of a preexisting condition here mentally or that he was suicidal in what she says, bob, do you think that that would be key to this case, that if roich knew he had suicidal ideations and she was pushing him over the edge? >> yeah, absolutely. it's very, very important as to what her motive is. in this particular case it does not look good for her. she is literally telling him to commit suicide and then saying horrible things about not only her relationship with him, sending sex tapes over. and the biggest thing, i want you to kill yourself, your daughter will never see you again, somebody else will be calling daddy, she knew he was in an emotional state and that criminalizes the conduct. that took it over the line. >> john: well, it's -- it's a really stunning case here that we've got, and something we will keep watching. great to have two high powered attorneys like you two

westmoreland county, her attorney says i do not see it fitting a criminal charge such as aiding a suicide. there is no coercion, or methods or means. can you explain the estranged boyfriend and what this case is all about and what it might oleate patly mean? >> this is a very, very sad case. the defendant here is actually a horrible person but the issue is going to be is what she did illegal? it's actually what she did was send texts to her -- the father of her child. they were horrible texts, harassing and mean. as a result, he ended up killing himself. but the statute in pennsylvania regarding assisted suicide doesn't fit. it is a square peg in a round hole. it is geared toward a doctor situation where this is not. this is like the michelle carter case where she was convicted of manslaughter when she was texting her boyfriend and encouraging him to commit suicide in a car in a parking lot and he actually did. while what she did in this case is harassing and horrific, i doubt it will rise to the level of assisted suicide. >> bill: state law in pennsylvania says a person may be convicted

so if you you know, if you did a venn diagram of the kind of like the troop that westmoreland was making, that mcnamara having, i mean, i think he thinks that was the way that he was trying to manage this crisis. i think in to borrow a title he thinks that management wasn't always as successful because johnson didn't want it to be successful. i mean, that's bundy left government, you know, you just thought he had lost all influence. and i think by the of 67 i think bob was probably there you can tell that in a voice on the tapes. yeah. thank you. okay kissinger i think it's just a completely different animal altogether either because i think a lot of what kissinger was about was, was helping nixon with this radical bureaucratic revolution, foreign policy that they both agreed on. they needed each other. they didn't always like each other, but they needed each other to to centralize foreign policymaking in the white house. i mean, when nixon was giving the inaugural address, was actually sending out memos to the national security bureaucracy telling everything's changed, you know, all dec

. >> a bizarre story out of westmoreland county tonight. >> police say a man took off all his clothesating vegetables out of people's backyard gardens. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: all right. which story do you want to talk about? one or two >> audience: two >> jimmy: two. okay, all right. good choice. [ laughter ] that's right >> steve: oh, my god >> jimmy: a naked guy was in people's gardens eating their vegetables homeowners were like, "honey, is that a string bean in the cucumber patch?" [ laughter and applause >> steve: that's nuts. ♪ >> jimmy: let's try another story up here. it's up to you here's story number one. >> the nobel prize in economic sciences was awarded to three u.s.-based economists. >> jimmy: all right. here's story number two. >> there is new video of a a failed robbery attempt at a fast food restaurant according to houston police, the suspect told the employees this was his first robbery [ light laughter ] he had a change of heart, and then he leaves empty handed. >> jimmy: want to talk about one or two >> audience: two >> jimmy: great choice that's right first time r