he wanted white america to see how hurtful it was. >> the letter was a national call to the conscience of america using real life, real time reality of birmingham as it's template. birmingham then became the spark that ignited the prairie fire of negro existence that was transformed into negro revolution. >> today thousands of people are expected to be in washington to celebrate the legacy of martin luther king jr. joining us now from a los angeles, president of the beverly hills hollywood branch naacp and member of the national board. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you for having me here, morgan. >> president obama is going to speak at the exact spot where dr. martin luther king spoke 50 years ago today. what do you hope to hear him say? >> well, i'm sure, and i hope that he will talk about the progress that we as america has made, and we as african-americans have really looked forward to in terms of being able to relate to society in terms of the progress that it has offered to people of color, black, other races, other parts of our society in terms of lgbt, immigration,

you're the racist for bringing up racism and there's no such thing until you bring it up. 40% of white americading to a new reuters poll, has no non-white friends. so we live in a world of misunderstanding, of islands of two america. what is the way forward? >> well, the first thing is white folks have got to learn to listen to people of color when they articulate their reality around stop and frisk, around racial profiling, around housing discrimination. the really sad fact, and we forget this at our peril, is that in 1963, we look back and think, oh, everybody was on the same page then. the sad fact is two out of three white americans that year, at the very same time as this march, told pollsters they thought black folks already had fully equal opportunity in employment, housing, and schooling, which means white america has always been in denial about the problem of racism and drinks crimination. that has not changed. we have got to get back to talking about these issues like they actually matter because they do. people's lives are on the line. if we're not able to hear folks talk about thei

he wanted white america to see how hurtful it was. >> the letter was a national call to the consciousthe real life, real time reality of birmingham as its template. birmingham then became the spark that ignited the prairie fire of negro resistance which was transformed into negro revolution. >> dr. martin luther king's, jr. unmatched delivery and his timeless words as we well know made history. still to come, the man we just introduced you to, clarence jones shares a little known fact [[voiceover]] every day, events sweep across our country. and with them, a storm of views. ♪ >>> exactly 50 years ago this evening, not far from here, washington's famed willard hotel, a young black preacher sat trying to write a speech. the words didn't come to him that night, instead it wasn't until the next afternoon as he stood before hundreds of thousands of people on the great mall that the preacher found a way to tell america about his dream. today i met dr. clarence jones who is a lawyer, a counselor, sometimes a cure your, and i asked him how martin luther king king, jr. found those mighty words

movement toward equality was less about a true movement towards racial harmony and more about white america's attempt about the decade of segregation. this is about an hour. c-span: shelby steele, author of "a dream deferred." you talk about your father in this book a little bit, talk--say he's a--more of a persuader than an intimidator. what did you mean by that? >> guest: well, literally, he was a--he was a--he liked to talk and he liked to think and he was a very--his approach was to--he wanted people to feel--to identify with his position on things, not just to agree with him, but to--to see the--to--to actually identify with the position. and so, he--he mu--was much more interested in persuading someone to see why he was taking the position that he was taking, than actually making them sign onto the position itself. c-span: is he still alive? >> guest: no, he's not. he died in 1976. he was born in--in 1900 and--so i was a--i was born when he was 46 years--years of age, kind of a late--late child. c-span: what did he do in his life? >> guest: he was a truck driver for 40 years in the city

it was written for mostly white america, and he made on a spur of the moment decision to ad-lib all of the last ten minutes which was over his limit. and the i dream a dream speech went over his limit. >> reporter: it was not popular some of the crowd. >> america had given black people a constitutionally promise that came back marked insufficient funds a bum check for freedom. that was the metaphor. some people liked that, but it didn't have any music. it didn't have any soaring to it. it was an accusation, but it was not a successful address. >> reporter: when i taught challengcollege i challenged mys to look at the speech. dr. king seemed to be shrinking in the podium during the first part of the speech. >> he's a gifted orator. he's reading signals about what worked. but it took a lot of nerve to go against his allotted time and ad-lib of the rest of the speech on his own. >> reporter: didn't he say, do the dream, martin. >> he said, tell them about the dream. it's not a refrain. it's part of a speech. it's like a musical riff if you're a musician. she had heard that in chicago. she

. >> when you say a lot of people, do you mean both white america and black america? >> exactly.egard. when you see the march on washington, the people who attended that day were excited and nervous. they were taking steps to meet the other half of the country and say we are patriotic. they were scared. the city of washington cut off liquor sales that day. they were scared of it. we assume that african-americans are going to take all the risks to expose ourselves. the lessin of american history we only make progress when there's reciprocation, when the rest of us, when white america is taking some risk, too. that's what makes -- that's the good side of racial history. >> i'm going to ask this question i asked when i did a special friday, the 100th anniversary of the march on washington, what's the discussion going to be about? >> the discussion is going to be are we still a nation that recognizes that activism, the african-american experience is crucial to helping america live up to its stated ideals. i think we're still going to have that discussion at the 100th. >> the next bli

he wanted white america to see how hurtful it was. >> the letter was a national call to the conscience using the real life, realtime reality of birmingham as its template. birmingham became the spark that ignited the prairie fire of negro resistance wimp was transformed into revolution. >> four months later, dr. martin luther king addressed those gathered on the national mall. that's that brings us 50 years to the day, thousands once again expected to flock to the mall to look back and to look forward to the next 50 years. joining us now to discuss where we go from here, the reverend jesse jackson. fifty years ago, the civil rights movement has been highjacked by people who once were considered the enemy, civil rights leaders sitting on corporate boards and demanding first class accommodations. we have lost our signal. you're there, correct? >> i think that is not a proper analysis. we liken the summer of 1963 where dr. king was jailed and medgar evers killed, the gathering in washington, then the birmingham bombing and then kennedy's killing, it was a summer of violence and terrorism

to open up the hearts of their white compatriots and say, except me, it is on white students, white america, to teach and not just acceptance, but antiracism and to be more accommodating to make sure that these institutions we are asked to integrate into our welcoming and are not openly hostile to students of color. >> tomorrow is the 50th anniversary of the march on washington, marking the fight to end the segregation altogether. what do you think it says about the work still left to be done? >> just like i feel every single day, we have so much more work to do and more to fight for. it is a radical project we have to undertake and won't happen overnight or with one single rally. it is going to take us working every single day to fix this problem. >> michael bendel smith, a fellow at the nation institute. elsewhere, in an effort to provide more information about government requests for user data, facebook has followed google's lead and released its first ever transparency report. it comes as no surprise to learn that the u.s. makes dramatically more request for data than any other country.

. >> reporter: meet paul white, america's newest multi-millionaire. less than 12 hours after the drawing those 45 electrical engineer came forward to collect his share of the $485 million jackpot. >> i feel this pressure off my shoulders that you carry every day with you. i have two kids. am i going to be able to pay for them to go to college? all these things gone. >> reporter: after taxes he is $175 million richer. the remaining will be split between two mysterious millionaires, one ticket bought here in south brunswick, new jersey. there are several other newly minted millionaires today, in colorado, texas and oklahoma, powerball ticket holders earned a $2 million prize. there were $1 million winner in a total of 16 states. white says he's been banking on this win for a while, something he joked about in a game with his siblings. >> the joke was their financial plan consists is of playing the lottery. everybody picked my name and they thought it was funny then. who is right now? >> reporter: white says his first purchase is likely going to be a 63

. >> reporter: meet paul white, america's newest multimillionaire. >> we went through, and sure enough they were right and i said, "i'll have to call you back later" and i went, "whoa!" and ran around the office. >> reporter: less than 12 hours after the drawing the 45-year-old electrical engineer came forward to claim his share of the $485 million jackpot. >> i feel this pressure off my shoulders that you carry every day with you. i have two kids. am i going to be able to pay for them to go to college. all these things gone. >> reporter: after taxes he is now $86 million richer. the remaining $172 million will be split between two mysterious, soon-to-be millionaires who have yet to come forward, one ticket bought here. there are reports that a group of employees went in an a winning ticket together. another was bought here at this shop and stop in north brunswick. there are several other newly minted millionaires today. in colorado, texas and oklahoma powerball ticket holders earned a $2 million prize. there were $1 million winners in a total of 16 states. as for white, he says he's b

barack obama, white america and the king dream. >>> this coming wednesday the tile 50th anniversary ofch of washington will be dough member rated on the steps of the lincoln memorial, the same steps are where martin luther king stood with his speech. the symbolism is powerful, ultimate realization of king's dream. but in the run-up to the anniversary this past week there was fresh evidence that president obama, now in his second elected term in office, still meets resistance and resentment rooted in his race. speaking at a gop fund-raiser on august 12th, paula page reportedly said president obama, quote, hates white people. cited by the portland press herald. lepage has denied making the remark. there's plenty of irony here if lepage did make the comment, though. although after he's the governor of the nation's whitest state. maine, where 97% of the population is white. that state has now given barack obama 60% of its votes in the last two national elections. this at least partly refutes, but the way white americans perceives america's first black president has been complicated. an ala

it was about the wage and income gap in white america. it has been growing since the late 1950s. same amount of time we have been talking about civil rights. there was ade-industrialization of america. the steel mill where i worked and made enough money in the summertime to pay for college in the wintertime at ohio university, go bobcats, where the tuition was -- i had to go back and check this because i thought my memory was failing me my tuition was $770. that was 1965. to go to ohio university. i set up my journalism career. it is well over 10 times that now. where are the steel mill jobs? they are not there. that is upward mobility. that's what larry is talking about. my father was a janitor, my mother was a cook. through upward mobility in america, i was able to take advantage of opportunity and move up from minimum wage to a much higher income. over 1/3 of america moved from below poverty to the middle class between ice and 65-1985. i defy you to find any society on the planet that huge that make it advances that fast once they were given the opportunity. that is upward mobi

white compatriots and say you know except to me it's on you know students of stupid white students white america to teach you know not just accept in but to teach and to racism and should be more accommodating and should be to make sure that these institutions that we're being asked to integrate into are welcoming and that they are there are openly hostile the students of color and now of course michael tomorrow is the fiftieth anniversary of the march on washington marking the nation's fight to end segregation altogether and racial discrimination now looking at this incident at u.t. what do you think it says about the work that's still left to be done. says there you know just like i feel every single day that we have so much more work to do we have so much more to fight for and it's a radical project that we have to undertake and it's not simply going to happen overnight it's going to it's not going to happen with one single rally it's not going to happen with one march is going to take us working every single day together to fix this problem thank you michael that was michael dunn's al smith

. >> i don't think mainstreameam white america understood thatert the people coming here were seriousat they conducted them sstlesz with respect. they had love for their country. but they wanted change. >> i was betweeney the water the reflecting pool and the first steps. i was considering a quarteruart million i was up fairly close. >> he said he hitch hiked fromrm ohio to washington 50 years ago. he was 18 that day.as 1 >> just the idea that hager and dr. kelly are sharing their stories at the dr. martin luther king memorial library downtown.. part of the i was there series. >> i went to the march. i was living in harlem at the time. i went for historic reasons. >> like tens of thousands of others a peter bailey came by bus from his home in new york i city. >> i think most memorable for me was seeing the crowd. though i went down with with great scepticism about anythingy positive happening the fact that seeing so many people there really impressed me.ed >> the d.c. public library is connecting. >> life is not fair but we're're hoping to move toward equal it for all. i know it's my

they were about an egalitarian vision of america, white and black, that was part of the social gospel that all of you seemed to be preaching. that there was something larger than ending segregation, as important as that was. >> i believe i used a line in my own speech when i suggested we must seek more than mere civil rights, but we must seek to create a community. we must -- a sense of brotherhood. and the day i was there, we were trying to create and move us toward the creating of a beloved community. >> it was a universal vision that unfolded in speech after speech. >> it was an all-inclusive message, a message for all americans. so it didn't matter if we were black or white, latino, or asian-american, or native american. it was -- and that's what dr. king had the ability to do in his own speech. he delivered a sermon. and i think, in a sense, we all were delivering small sermons. he had the ability, more than any of us, to transform the marble steps of the lincoln memorial into a modern-day pulpit. and he knew he was preaching. >> so, what was going through your mind early in the

. >> reporter: meet paul white, america's newest multi-millionaire.ss than 12 hours after the drawing those 45 electrical engineer came forward to collect his share of the $485 million jackpot. >> i feel this pressure off my shoulders that you carry every day with you. i have two kids. am i going to be able to pay for them to go to college? all these things gone. >> reporter: after taxes he is $175 million richer. the remaining will be split between two mysterious millionaires, one ticket bought here in south brunswick, new jersey. there are several other newly minted millionaires today, in colorado, texas and oklahoma, powerball ticket holders earned a $2 million prize. there were $1 million winner in a total of 16 states. white says he's been banking on this win for a while, something he joked about in a game with his siblings. >> the joke was their financial plan consists is of playing the lottery. everybody picked my name and they thought it was funny then. who is right now? >> reporter: white says his first purchase is likely going to be a 63 imp

if president obama were to expressly criticize white america, oh, wait, he did. ey're desperate they were having none of that. so here's a general rule of them, if you can't bead up on white folks, you probably shouldn't beat up on black folk in public. you should withhold that discourse. it ends up reinforcing the false perception, i think, that you only want black people to be responsible. i think president obama wants republicans to be responsible as well. what he ends up doing, and it looks like it has one wing. it has two wings, and you have to talk about structural deficits as well as personal responsibility, and you have to talk about a difficult thing to talk about, white people stepping up to the plate and being responsible, too. when mr. obama can do that. when president obama can use his bully pulpit to do both, and then the effectiveness of his excoriation of black people will ring true. martin luther king junior spoke against social injustice. mr. obama, president obama has a far way to go. of a prophetic pulpit, which talks about personal responsibil

america, but not all. >> somewhere along the way white sheets were traded for button-down white shirts. attack dogs and water hoses were traded for tasers and widespread implementation of stop and frisk policies. nooses were traded for handcuffs. >> bill: that kind of grievance mongering does the cause of civil rights no good whatsoever, period. the nation's first black president was the star of the day, giving an energetic presentation. he began with the history of dr. king's speech in times 50 years ago. then president obama turned political. >> the gap in wealth between races is not lessened, it's grown. as president clinton indicated, the position of all working americans, regardless of color, has eroded, making the dream dr. king described even more elusive. >> whose fault is that? the reason working americans are having such a hard time is twofold. first mr. obama's attempt to manage the economy from washington. that's largely failed. the private sector must drive economic expansion, not the feds, and the president has not yet embraced that. second, the skill level of many america

it's laying the groundwork for a transformation of an awareness in white america that race can no longer be kept off the agenda. >> rose: we have an unacceptable condition in the american fabric. >> we have an unacceptable condition. and so if you look at what happens in that period, you have, that but that is a result of african american impatience. it's all those young people. it's king saying, "there comes a time when people get tired." so, you know, we like to look for these spectacles and moments but to go back to isabelle's point, these are thiks that are long in gestation, and the streams flow together. so without know-- did birmingham cause the march? well, without albany, and without dozens of other people-- but it's transformative for black people and white people that we can't evade this anymore. >> rose: i want to bring you all in, but 1963 was a tipping point. >> it's a tipping point because the awareness that isabelle has just described, this magnificent out-migration-- and, indeed, it was, but in many ways, it resulted in a kind of blind alley because people left a conditi

white america would never stand to have every white man presumed to be a mass murderer, because they fit that profile. that's the only logic left behind stop and frisk because there's no empirical data to find it's a way to find drugs or guns or criminaling. >> how effective, whether or not in having these policies we're missing other kinds of crimes. more than 26,000 stopped made last year for alleged marijuana offenses. 61% were african-americans and only 9% were whites, but surveys show whites are equally or more likely than blacks to be marijuana users. police don't find white pot head because they're not looking for them. >> i would say do we really need to be looking for white pot heads or any, for that matter. >> white pot head exist. they are not being stopped and searched like black people are? >> enforcement to crimes is a racially divided thing in america. i think that's less of an issue with violent crime in cities, where the enforcement seems to be basically in line with the amount of incidents and the stop and frisk is at least nom neainy against crime. it's not a weapo

it is interesting to me how still to this day often white america and black america sees things through different lens? >> absolutely. because we have not come to the decision, which is so important. you can only come to this decision if you have courage. the decision is -- i am a human being. nothing human kg alien to me. until we come to that, whites will really think i'm better than. well, they are not so bad but that color doesn't come off. and that hair doesn't straighten out. so we are not equals. until blacks an whites see each other as brother and sister we will not have parity. it is very clear. >> you don't think that as occurred. you don't believe there is true equality yet. >> oh, i know there isn't and you know there isn't and everybody who hears you knows there isn't and yet this is what we have to have. the only thing is, mr. cooper, people have to develop courage. it is most important of all of the virtues. without courage you can't practice any other virtue consistently. you can be anything in front of the microphone and camera but to be that thing in your heart you hav

this is now a conversation that white america is now being a part of. and in order for the conversation to turn into action, we need to be talking together. >> right. >> and we need to be sitting around the table exposing each other to different aspects of our lives. you know, the people whoever were in the madison avenue store when they saw oprah, black woman can't afford this why should i let her in when she can buy the store and put people working there -- >> like pretty woman, big mistake. >> she's being discrete in identifying the store. she could stand on the tv and say -- >> close it down. >> exactly. >> she compared killing of trayvon martin to emit in the 50s. there are two schools of thought about the zimmerman trayvon case, actually, it wasn't about race, others think its. what do you think of oprah leaking the emit case? >> the facts and circumstances were different but in terms of pif vot l and this case, no matter how people want to gloss over it, the zimmerman murder case was definitely involving race. there is no way you can make anybody

especially tv coverage of the march on washington, has been credited for changing mainstream america, white america's view of the civil rights movement and the fight against segregation. is this your experience? do you think that's true? >> i do believe that's true, not because of correspondents who were covering it but because of the nature of the times, the development of television, the pervasive use of television. television was just coming into most homes in the late '50s and '60s, been around before then. but there's no question that television's coverage of the civil rights movement, taking into people's living rooms what was happening, not some newspaper description or some highly censored or sanitized view, it brought the reality of the viciousness of the opposition to civil rights, particularly in the deep south, into people's living rooms. and then the eloquence and courage of d king and those who worked with him, such as john lewis, now a congressman, people could see and hear for themselves. television was the instrument. before television it was easy to deny how much violence there was.

it's interesting to me how still to this day, often white america and black america sees things through different lenses. >> absolutely. because we have not come to the decision, which is so important. you can only come to this decision if you have courage. the decision is, i am a human being. nothing human can be alien to me. until we come to that, whites will really think i'm better than -- well they are not so bad but that collal color doesn't c and that hair doesn't straighten out. until blacks and whites see each other as brother and sister, we'll not have parrotty. >> you do not think that occurred? you don't think there is equality? >> i know there isn't, you know there isn't and everybody that hear you knows there isn't. the only thing is, mr. cooper, people have to develop courage it most important because without courage you can't practice any other thing consistently. you can be anything erratically and in front of the microphone, in front of the camera but to be that thing in your heart, you have to have courage and so i'm afraid that we are lacking in courage. we think we a

he wanted white america to see what they were doing. >> in our exclusive report we'll meet the key figures who helped dr. king put together the pieces of his letter from a birmingham jail. we'll have all that and more coming up at the top of the hour on america tonight, john. >> joie, thank you very much. david shuster has this story. >> as you can see out here, this is what ground that does not have water looks like. barren, dry, the weeds don't even hardly grow right here right now? it's so dry. >> in a normal year, rocky forward paul casper's cantaloupes fill his field. but in the past two years he has seen his gross income cut by two-thirds. >> roughly 75% of what we farm looks like this. we do as best we can. we have people who count on us every year. >> like people in colorado casper is no stranger to drought. more than $700 million of lost economic activity and an overburdened water system means an exist tension controversy. >> we're splitting the pie up and that's about money. >> reagan wascom says the state's rapid population growth is the biggest men as facing the people here tod

he was always a hero to many, but in, you know, mainstream white america he was a villain. that. >> it's very difficult to think back to that time and how much he was hated in that time and how much he's loved now. i want to dig in deeper to something you talked about. a lot of the the film is about ali's spiritual development talking about a young christian, why is jesus white and then becoming a nation of islam figure. i feel like the cassius clay you're talking about, preparing to fight sunny liston, he became a muslim, nobody knew about it. that had a huge impact on him in the ring, giving him a confidence, the sense that he was chosen by god and got only knows the sort of genius things that malcolm x did to give him extra confidence. do you think thing helped him i the ring, which was -- listen at that time it was the biggest upset in -- >> odds were 7:1 that he would you say lose, that's huge for a heavyweight fight. i think he had aen to of confidence as cassius clay. no doubt. but certainly, you know, to have the backing of malcolm x and the spiritual wind in your s

it's not a function of the wealth and asset creations that are occurring in black and white america.a: immitt thrill and the trayvon martin case. that kind of took me aback, professor. do you think the emit til case given what that meant to black people where a young man was systematically murdered for his supposed role for this controversy in the south in the mid 50s? that's the same as trayvon martin? >> first of all, let me correct some things. resume sites appear african-americans addresses less likely to get a job. disparity in income and wealth. this idea that race is irrelevant in people's lives is nonsense. we see health disparities. we see disparities in every single field of life. we see disparities in input in terms of education. whether the case not exactly the same. but it sort of similar. can you see how. >> laura: similar? >> the idea of a young black man, a young child, a young kid who goes out and is out and about, going about his business no criminal intent whatsoever. and doesn't come home and ends up dead resonates with the community. >> it's a sloppy analogy. >>

just like sandra day o'connor, i don't believe white america, in fact a much more diverse america ising to allow affirmative action preference to exist. it doesn't exist in any great way in the fortune 500 now. people have this perception, and that's why the court ruled the way it did in terms of higher education in michigan and texas. i don't think that is going to exist. i think you need civil rights leaders to speak out against crime in the black community, to speak out against these hip-hop leaders, to say to kids, here is how you can make it in this country and stop thinking just because you're black there is a reason or excuse for not achieving. >> all right. we have to take a break here, when we come back, the ongoing split inside the gop how to stop obama care. >>> first, get fox news' daily newsletters straight in your news box. sign up now at foxnews.com/fox news first. i read it every day. >> announcer: meet mary. she loves to shop online with her debit card and so does bill, an identity thief who stole mary's identity, took over her bank accounts and stole her hard-earned

mass demonstration in the street, and how it made african-americans look and appear to a largely white america>> it's ironic that people don't understand mrs. king, who i've got to know well -- i was too young to know dr. king -- talked about how controversial he was during his lifetime and those tactics of randolph and rustin. people always said, you're causing violence, stirring things up, and you're moving too fast, and i think that upon his death people gave him credit for things that he never heard in life. and in many ways we hear today some of the same kinds of attacks. certainly no one's on the scale that they were, but the same kinds of things, that why don't y'all do it another way, when these are the ways you dramatize the problem. marches are not set to solve a problem. they're set to show the problem and force someone to solve it. >> we're going to come back with all of you in a few minutes because, in addition to marking history this morning, we wanted to try to expand our conversation and talk about the american dream. that's what dr. king talked about. it was rooted in the amer

about race in this country nothing about the economics of what is going on and this is a crisis in white americais. the number of white single mother households living in poverty surpass blacks in the past decade, investor job rate losses and more out of wedlock, 17% of whites in poverty neighborhoods and of those to 13% in 2000, 62% of white americans read the economy poor, nineteen million white people living in poverty, two times the rate of black people. not only are the economics circumstances of white people coming down but what they feel about the future, that is amazing because i don't care what your economic policy is people have to buy into it. large part of economic success is self-fulfilling. we have to believe it is going to happen so the idea when the president gave the speech not long ago affer the trayvon martin thing that opportunities weren't out there for black people he should say a lot of people, a large portion of the population white people feel there's no opportunities for them. 46% see only a good future that is a low number. stuart: that is an astonishingly negative vie