>> i thought it was interesting in the 2012 campaign rick perry and newt gingrich were very whitete, open, closer to -- to what i considered them my mitt romney who was the least conservative candidate that saw fit to get over to the right of them, if you want to describe it that way. i think it hurt him terribly in the election. i think it was a very bad strategic mistake. what people want to do is tell the truth. if jeb feels that way about it, it reminds me of my old boss ronald reagan. ronald reagan used to say when the blame america first crowd gets out of hand, you need to apply the gates test. what is the gates test? he says the gates test. see which way people run. they run to america. that is what jeb is saying to me. this is the place for good reason. we ought to be proud of it. when you apply the gates test and people want to come here. and that is what is good about --s and i don't find that that message has the benefit of being true. whether everybody will take that same view, is neither here or there. it is very similar to what ronald reagan.. >> is that the right direc