instead bill wiseman, soon to be a priest in the episcopal church, grapples with the conscience of an up-and-coming lawmaker who failed in the clutch and the muffled anguish of condemned men. >> it's a terrible thing to have one's most notorious reputation be based on coming up with a new way to kill people. >> this is an interview that kotv in tulsa taped in 2005, with the man who wrote the world's first lethal injection law. the protocol was dreamed up by the state medical examiner in oklahoma. he's the first person who came up with the idea for and a recipe for lethal injection. but when it came to propose it as law, the first state law in the country to prescribe injecting people with deliberately misused pharmaceuticals as a way of killing them, when it kim time to do that, bill wiseman in oklahoma was the first man who did it anywhere in the country. and nearly 30 years after he did that, in this interview from 2005, he could still remember the language of that bill from the '70s and he could still remember it by heart. >> it said an intravenous saline drip shall be established

and bill wiseman, who so hates of idea of taking human life, gained his footnote in history. >> i don't hear the word "lethal injection" or "execution" or anything else without feeling a tug because it's tied to me. i'll always be tied to it. >> reporter: and now with his recipe pour death having spread to 37 states, wiseman fears thain stead of make capital punishment more humane he's made it instead even easier for squeamish judges and juries to order the ultimate penalty. a man of deep faith who lost his moral bearings at a critical moment, who still mourns the character and courage that slipped away that day so long ago. and if there's to be a final judgment, who waits to hear his life's verdict? >> but how does the man who came up with the recipe for lethal injection, what does he do on judgment day? >> the same thing everyone else does. throw ourselves on the mercy of god. say that we have done wrong and we're sorry. >> it's easier i think to shape your newscasts in such an overtly religious way when you're broadcasting in a place like tulsa, like kotv does. so it's interesting to

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the rfc and related programs are on the panel of experts who don't want to run and they can be the wiseman. and what our best wisemen are telling us is panels of wise men don't do what you want them to do. one hopes this might be an opportunity for us as these ideas gain public currency to challenge the thinking in terms of application and doing a good job and whether doing a good job is possible even in theory. so in closing i thought maybe your thoughts on that. >> guest: as you were working through your question there, i thought there was a good parallel between president hoover and president obama. there is that sense in both of their presidency that we can scientifically work through problems by appointing groups of experts. but the problem is the groups come in with bias on what could be done and can't be done and frequently they are wrong. if we go by them we go on the wrong path for decades. i would put the energy crisis as a perfect example. when it was said the energy crisis is here to say caused by the delining oil supplies the experts lined up and could give you a calculation.

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space station led by commander max in sariah from russia and he's joined by flight engineers read wiseman from the united states alexander girls from germany while out there they're going to be conducting three space walks and experiments experiments running a wide range for example ones with obvious commercial potential for example working with fishing trawlers to locate new fishing grounds also conducting more technical and scientific experiments like the effects of electro magnetic levitation on different materials and effects of his zero gravity environment and certain cells of viruses and bacteria after all this work is done they're set to return to earth in about one hundred twenty days time lending them sometime in early september. the u.s. is owner of it citizens to leave libya as a situation that becomes increasingly unstable washington has also sent its warships to the country where the cia to run channel has launched an uprising against the election government is marina partner the star the united states together with the international community is committed to the libyan peopl

we used to have a lot of so-called senior statement and -- statesmen and wiseman to turn to an emergency i can't think of one to whom obama turns to. and i have henry kissinger. think what you will about his past, but he sees putin personally two times he or. kissinger understands what is going on. he is preaching a negotiation and obama -- my understanding is obama has declined to see kissinger. why in this crisis would you not want to spend an hour with kissinger? >> i want to turn to the upcoming national elections scheduled for may 20 said in ukraine. on tuesday, secretary of state john kerry criticized russia's call for ukraine to postpone the election. >> is very hard to reconcile that russia is now making the argument that ukraine ought to reduce and not have an election or postpone an election because the violence is taking place, but russia is full whole hog behind having election in syria where there's far worse violence. reconcile that one for us, please. ry who is nower become secretary of war, and not secretary of state. he is supposed to be our chief diplomat. at recall him

space station led by commander maxime sariah from russia and he's joined by flight engineers reed wiseman from the united states and alexander gerth from germany while up there they're going to be conducting three space walks and fifty one experiments experiments running a wide range for example ones with obvious commercial potential for example working with fishing trawlers to locate new fishing grounds also conducting more technical and scientific experiments like the effects of electro magnetic levitation on different materials and the effects of his zero gravity environment on certain cells of viruses and bacteria after all this work is done they're set to return to earth in about one hundred twenty days time landing them sometime in early september our time for a global snapshot now let's get into the odyssey welled up. pictures are right there the crowd to angry with the demolition of ghosts what. well they destroyed so they clashed with the riot police eight people were arrested after attacking police vans and setting the garbage cans on fire at protests that offer authorities bega

what our best wiseman are telling us right now is that they don't do the things you wanted to do. so one hopes that this might be an opportunity for as these ideas gain public currency, to challenge the sort of thinking, not just in terms of application about whether we did a good job but of weather doing a good job is even possible. so in closing, may be a pop song that. >> right. as you were working through your questionnaire i thought there was a good parallel in some ways between president hoover and obama, which i don't always think of was to as being like. there is that sense and both of their presidencies that we can scientifically work through problems that by appointing groups of experts. the problem is that the groups of experts, of course, come in with incredible biases on what can and cannot be done. frequently they are wrong, and if we go by these experts then we are going down the wrong path. i would put the energy crisis as being a classic example. when richard nixon and jimmy carter both said the energy crisis is here to stay, the foremost problem on our genera

american reed wiseman german alexander gerstein russian mission commander maxime sariah or the forty first expedition to vi s.s. but i know your bread. and. onions are in the past week and there are your hot tub and reconsider. our. well and there are great friends and as they raise the rocket into position on the launch pad it's worth noting that they want to make this voyage something of an express trip you see normally they have to circle the earth a couple of times before they dock with the i.r.s. as a process that takes a couple of days and this time they want to make the trip in six hours. you hear the shots of flights have health benefits for the cruise and improve work efficiency it's only natural that we're trying to create comfortable conditions and we're constantly working to improve the flights that. while there they'll go on three spacewalks to maintain the i.s.o.'s and they'll also conduct more than fifty experiments we have for example the electromagnetic levitating as a first time that we will really have describe what type of capabilities to examine new materials in

space station it's led by commander maxim sariah from russia and he's joined by flight engineers read wiseman from the united states and alexander gerth from germany they're going to be making the short six hour trip up to the international space station that's very short compared to the previous ones that had taken more than two days to complete officials say that's going to help them a climatized was your gravity to gravity environment much more easily than they had before while they're going to be conducting three spacewalks and fifty one experiments the experiments running a wide range for example ones with obvious commercial potential for example working with fishing trawlers to locate new fishing grounds also conducting more technical and scientific experiments like the effects of electro magnetic levitation on different materials and effects of his zero gravity environment on certain cells of viruses and bacteria after all this work is done there are set to return to earth in about one hundred twenty days time landing them sometime in early september and some other global headlines now

space station led by commander maxim sariah from russia and he's joined by flight engineers reed wiseman from the united states and alexander gerth from germany while up there that they're going to be conducting three space walks and experiments experiments running a wide range for example ones with obvious commercial potential for example working with fishing trawlers to locate new fishing grounds also conducting more technical and scientific experiments like the effects of electro magnetic levitation on different materials and effects of his zero gravity environment and certain cells of viruses and bacteria. about more news for instead of half an hour from now in the meantime max and stacy debate the latest headlines from the world of finance is off the international live in moscow that's coming away after the break. to have an abortion before this creature looks like a baby. and a career is going pretty well at the moment i've got a lodging in tearing partner who understands my situation. indefinitely isn't the right time. i need something about it. this is still one of the most isola