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wyden: mr.resident? the presiding officer: the senator from oregon. mr. wyden: i ask unanimous consent to vacate the quorum call. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. wyden: mr. president, i wanted to spend just a few minutes this morning talking about some of the positive developments that are taking place right now on this issue of health care reform. for example, this morning the president is out talking to workers, insured workers, about how health care reform will work for them. he is spending his political capital. he is using the bully pulpit that is the white house, and it certainly reflects that this is a priority for the president of the united states. a second positive development is in the senate finance committee, we have a bipartisan group of six united states senators. they are putting in killer hours at this point. i've been kidding them that i suspect they're being fed intra venusly, but they are trying to put together a bipartisan health reform effort, and

wyden: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent to vacate the quorum and speak in morning business. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. wyden: as congress focuses on health care reform i want to take a few minutes to discuss one approach that has been documented by the budget office as producing significant cost savings in american health care. that approach is increasing choices in private-sector health care and r rewarding americans o choose their health care widely. today, 85% of american businesses that offer health care coverage, offer no choices. now, mr. president, that is not because they wouldn't like to. quite the contrary. they would very much like to offer additional private-sector choices but, for example, if you are a small business person -- and i know the distinguished senator from alaska identifies with this -- you go out into the broken private insurance market with huge administrative costs very often approaching 30% and so you can't offer choices. without

i can assure you of that that. >> the problem with the wyden bill. it's unclear if they will have the kind of bargaining power. based on what they are discussing right now -- >> can i give you an example? >> go for it. >> every employee -- >> you are talking about a nation like -- >> no, i am talking about ron wyden's suggestion, and i am not making this up. just another politician had the idea, and i think it's a good idea. what if companies, instead of providing health insurance to one person, i give that person a check for whatever i am paying health insurance for that year, and i create a website, and we actually have bizarre 21st century -- >> not everybody in the country can access it. >> i think there are people that can get access. so if you are saying because poor people cannot get access to the internet, we should protect the profits of health insurance companies. i would argue let's get poor people access to the internet as opposed to doing the opposite. >> let's get them access to the affordable health care -- >> i have practical solution

senator wyden's right. he's got a good bill. with is the idea that you would create a massive new basically federally-run program, putting the government between you and your doctor and creating an english or canadian type system where you basically end up with delays and rationing and that you don't address the cost issue in the odd years. the proposals marked up in the house and senate have added trillions, trillions of dollars to the debt of the united states and expanded the government dramatically. that's not what we need right now. right now our problem our debt. >> how big were the bills they put through committee in the senate? how was it financed? senator dodd talked specifically about financing. and the idea of financing by taxing health care benefits, is that dead in the senate or is it going to be seriously discussed? the finance committee? >> first, john, i think it's nice to know there's life after the senate, although i'm not sure what type of life the if you have to spend the morning with joe kernen. in any event

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wyden: mr. president, i want to take just a few minutes this afternoon to discuss the recent developments on the health care issue and particularly with senator bennett on the floor, my friend and colleague and the efforts to make sure that health reform is bipartisan. i would also note that senator baucus and senator grassley on the finance committee on which i serve are just putting in killer hours now in an effort to come up with a bipartisan approach in the health care area. and i wanted to take just a few minutes and talk about a particularly important part of the health care debate, and that is what the middle class is looking for in terms of health reform. i think when you talk about middle-class folks, most of whom have coverage -- health care coverage -- they are looking for a way to be wealthier. they are looking for a way to be healthier. they want to make sure that if they leave their health care coverage or their coverage leaves them, they can get portable coverage. and perhaps as m

thank you, senator wyden. see you at the end of august. >> thank you. >>> and two new polls this wee show president obama's approval ratings are slipping. today's new gallup poll has his approval rating at 56% down from 65% when he first took office. and "the washington post"/abc poll shows him now at 59%, down ten points from april. dan balz is a new reporter for "the washington post." and your new book is out next month. and we look forward to that read and having you back then. let's look at these polls, the president, how much difficult is he in and what warning signs do you see among independents, in particular? >> well, the warning signs among independents are significant at this point, i think. the president's overall approval rating is still pretty good. 58 in the gallup, 59% in "the pos post"/abc poll, those are not shabby ratings for a president, given everything he has taken on. but as we've been saying for some time, he's more popular than his policies. and the fact that independents who were criti

we've got the burr proposal, coburn proposal, the wyden-bennett proposal. all are different in the government option and all don't run up the debt. the wyden-bennett proposal, which is the only bipartisan proposal before this body today, with several republican senators and several democratic senators, adds zero to the debt -- zero to the debt -- according to the congressional budget office. now maybe, as we go through, if we were seriously considering it, we would find the need to add some costs. but at least we start with the idea that instead of adding $1 trillion, $2 trillion, or $3 trillion over the next ten years to the federal deficit and dumping a new program on the states after a few years, which the states in their bankrupt condition in some cases can't afford, at least we'd start 0 out with an increased deficit of zero. we're almost working at the wrong end here. our biggest problem facing the country is the cost of health insurance to every american. not just the uninsured americans, but the 250 million who already have insurance. and the other

and, they used each opportunity to expand, spread terror, wyden their sphere of control, and, generally, consolidate themselves. and so when the peace agreement in swat was being negotiated, i think -- i don't speak for the government or the military, but, i think the idea was that for once we should see whether they stick to this agreement, do what they are saying and then we can take it from there. and, it didn't take long for them to throw off any cloak and come out with their intentions. which were very clear. refuse to lay down their arms which was part of the agreement. they declared that he rest of pakistan infidels. and denounced the constitution of pakistan. they started committing unspeakable atrocities which -- the videos are difficult to stomach, and generally created a situation where there was no option but to go in. fortunately, this time, because of the exposure that they got and what they came out with themselves, there was a change in public opinion, there was a change in the media. the political resolution came out, very strongly. so, the military operations which wen

although i do like ron wyden's health care plan. we have a video.me of this whale again? >> mila. she saved a life. how can you not endorse her? >> mila would actually try to do what's -- >> right. >> 7-year-old friend. >> it was wrong on some level. but for many people who have endured long moments in church is so very right. >> anyway, that wraps up "today's" "morning meeting." i'm dylan. thank you so much for being so generous. >> you're so smart, fun and to witty. really brilliant. >> carlos is coming up. he has a little bit of beer diplomacy and a couple of blue dog democrats on health care and a deeper look into those tax chiefs, that here live with carlos watson right after this. ♪ ♪ once you've dealt with the things that come between you... don't let erectile dysfunction get in the way. ♪ viva ♪ viagra! viagra...america's most prescribed ed treatment... can help you enjoy a more satisfying sexual experience. to learn more, spend some quality time with viagra.com ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. don't take viagra if yo

>> these are the coopts you've been talking about with senator wyden? >> scored at revenue neutral, no increase in costs and we think long-term it will actually turn the curve downward and save costs, that's what the group says about it so we're ready to deal with the president, if he will just say, okay, what i have proposed is financially impossible. let's sit down and see what we can come up with, instead he and senator kerry and others are saying, well, if the cost go on up, too bad, we've got to raise taxes. that's a non-starter up here. >> you talked about the importance of the testimony before senator conrad on thursday. on monday he was at the white house, and we don't know what happened inside, but first of all was that the president, you think, trying to get some ideas from the cbo as to what their concerns were or was it trying to pressure the cbo? is it legitimate to bring the umpire in? >> i won't characterize it one way or the other. i wasn't there any more than you were. i think the president is sincere. i'm not thinking he's trying to un

levin: senator wyden, how much time did you need? mr. wyden: ten would be plenty.the presiding officer: the senator from oregon. mr. wyden: madam president, i rise to support the levin-mccain amendment. it seems to me buying more f-22's at this point would meet the very definition of government waste. what you have is a situation where the pentagon which suffice it to say hasn't exactly been shy over the years in terms of calling for additional weapons, they are on record as saying this is unnecessary. further, i have been out talking with members of the guard at home and trying to get their sense of what is needed in a dangerous time and they have never once mentioned something like this. they talked for example about body armour and boots. they don't talk about more f-22's. when the congress is now having a debate about trying to find additional money for health care, for example, to go out and spend close to $2 billion to buy seven more f-22 fighters that the air force says it doesn't want, i think just defies commonsense. my home state, for example, would be ab

this bill that senator wyden and i have introduced reflects our commitment to ensure rural americans have access to high-quality health care services. i strongly encourage all of my colleagues with an interest in rural health to cosponsor this bipartisan piece of legislation. thank you, madam president. and i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from alabama. mr. sessions: madam president, i've offered an amendment to the homeland security legislation that's before us that would call for the utilization of the e-verify system that is working well now and to make that system permanent and call for it to be utilized by contractors who do business with the united states government. essentially, the -- essentially, employers all over america are accessing the e-verify computer technology-based system that allows them to have an instant check to determine whether or not the person that has applied for employment with them is legally in the country. they just simply check their social security number and other data and frequently, not very frequently but periodically they fi

. >> senator wyden, how much time?would be plenty. >> will you yield up to 10 minutes for senator wyden. >> i rise to support the levin-mccain amendment. it seems to me that buying more f-22s at this point would meet the very definition of government waste. what you have is a situation where the pentagon, which suffice it to say the federal government has not been shy over the years for calling for additional weapons. they are on record as saying this is unnecessary. i've been out talking with members of the guard at home and trying to get their sense in what is needed in a dangerous time and they have never once mentioned something like this. they talked, for example, about body armor and boots. when the congress is now having debate about trying to find additional money for healthcare, for example, to go out and spend close to $2 billion to buy 7 more f-22 fighters that the air force says it doesn't want i think just defies commonsense. my home state, for example, would love to be able to hire back police and other e

so the wyden-bennett bill is constructed along the idea, let's rearrange the subsidies that we already give to the american people for health care and give it to everyone in a way that will permit them, all the american people, to afford a health insurance plan that's about the same plan that congressional employees is. and so instead of dumping 20 million more people into a failed government program called medicaid, which is not only disserving nose low-income people, but bankrupting states literally, we would say to low-income americans, here, take this money and buy a private insurance plan of your own just like the rest of us do. now what is wrong with that idea? if 14 of us think it ought to be considered. yet, it's not been given the time of day. senator coburn and senator burr have proposals. i've endorsed their proposals too. it's the same general idea. senator gregg has a approach, senator hatch has a proposal. not given the time of day. we've had very friendly discussions, but they don't qualify as bipartisan discussions. i would give the senate finance committee members grea

some of us are for the wyden wyden-bennett bill with our democrat colleagues. that's the only bipartisan bill before us today. hasn't even been seriously considered by this body, but it's there and has significant support in the house. we have got two doctors over here -- dr. barrasso, who's been an orthopedic surgeon general an original pee -- surgeon for 25 years. dr. coburn, an ob-gyn. so far their ideas aren't be adopted in the process. you have senator gregg from new hampshire, one of the most respected senators who's been a part of many bipartisan efforts and he's got his own bill in. he'd like to be a part of it, but his ideas really don't fit the way things are going. but the way things are going are too expensive for the congressional budget office and take us in the wrong direction, according to the mayo clinic. so maybe we ought to step back and say, well, let's listen to these other ideas. let's go very carefully. let's work with the president. let's see if we can get a result and let's keep a four-letter word out there that's a good word, and that'

senator wyden joins me live from washington to answer that.of heat from the left wing of the party from this idea that your plan which you crafted of senator bennett on the republican side from utah doesn't have a public option in it. why do you not think it is necessary to have a public option? >> john, ima certainly willing to look at a public option. in fact, i'm willing to look at anything that controls costs. we have 15 sponsors of our bill, nine of them are democrats. it is the first legislation that the budget office says actually doesn't add to the deficit. the reason it doesn't is because we're promoting free choice. we give everybody a chance just like members of congress do to go to one of these farmer's markets -- they call it an exchange -- get access to a big group where they have bargaining power so they can hole their costs down. >> how do you insure the uninsured. there are about 47 million of those people in the country right now. >> you've got to make tough choices. when you're for reform, everybody takes you on. in our legi

so the wyden-bennett bill is constructed along the idea, let's rearrange the subsidies that we already give to the american people for health care and give it to everyone in a way that will permit them, all the american people, to afford a health insurance plan that's about the same plan that congressional employees is. and so instead of dumping 20 million more people into a failed government program called medicaid, which is not only disserving nose low-income people, but bankrupting states literally, we would say to low-income americans, here, take this money and buy a private insurance plan of your own just like the rest of us do. now what is wrong with that idea? if 14 of us think it ought to be considered. yet, it's not been given the time of day. senator coburn and senator burr have proposals. i've endorsed their proposals too. it's the same general idea. senator gregg has a approach, senator hatch has a proposal. not given the time of day. we've had very friendly discussions, but they don't qualify as bipartisan discussions. i would give the senate finance committee members grea

and there are others, ron wyden, democrat on the finance committee has a bill that no one's paying any attention to that does have real bipartisan support. but there isn't something that republicans are rallying around, saying this is our alternative. and they are now in a tactical position, where they don't really need one, because the obama plan is on a curve downward in popularity in the polls. everyone's noticing that in both parties. and so the republicans really can stand back and watch obama, in effect, campaign for health care against himself. that's what happened to hillary clinton last time around. what happened was, hillary clinton was unable in her campaign to sell the plan to the public. she was unable to do that. and the more she tried, the more the popularity of her plan went down. so we've seen this before. >> and on that point of resistance also coming from democrats. as we mentioned, "the washington post" reports that finance committee chairman max baucus has received nearly $1.5 million from health-related companies and their employees. as a former chief of staff of

for example, you've got the wyden/bennett bill which has a large number of republicans signed up, as well as a large number of democrats. you've got the coburn and burr proposal which accomplishes the president's goals which snurns everyone and make sure you don't lose your insurance if you like it and my proposal which takes the same approach. there are a lot of constructive proposals out there and if the other folks who are drafting this -- these concepts are willing to take a look at them, then i think they can pick up some republican support. >> senator gregg, final question. do you think that the administration and those negotiating the various haerlted bills are tough enough on the insurance companies in terms of trying to ring out costs out of the system or frankly as my colleague chris matthews likes to say are at the pussy-footing around that a little bit? >> in the end, there's no question that those accounts are going to get hit and i happen to believe, for example, that we shouldn't have both deductability of health insurance when you get the high-end plans. for example,

ben nelson, larry landrieu, joe lieberman, larry wyden. rahm emanuel brought in all the freshman democrats, gave them a lesson how the world is going to turn. if it hadn't gone for president obama, they probably wouldn't be in their position. he went to the microphone in a middle of the friday afternoon, to grab ahold of the sound culture and address the naysayers. >> now is not the time to slow down. now certainly is not the time to lose heart. those who are betting against this happening this year are badly mistaken. we are going to get this done. we will reform health care. it will happen this year. i'm absolutely convinced of that. >> all right. i want to address one of the senators. just a little history check here. who's cause something trouble for the obama administration when it comes to the public option. and we have to slow down so much. it's ben nelson of nebraska. fine gentleman. good senator. but he's on the wrong side of the issue on this one. he's waffling on a public option. now, it seems like ben nelson is always the fly i

. >> senator wyden, i was surprised tonight the president just can't pull the trigger how to pay for this. he said there's two-thirds of the money being used on health care in this country that we could rearrange and redirect that would pay for it. the other third's going to come from where? why can't the administration or the democrats for that matter flat out saying, look, there's going to be a tax increase to get this thing done. when does that moment come? >> ed, i don't share that view. we're going to spend there are 305 million of us. you can hire a doctor literally for every seven families. i'm using this as a metaphor, but when i bring it up to the doctors, where do i go to get my seven families. we talked about the insurance abuses. one of the other areas we have support for in the senate is let's go out and strangle these administrative costs. you ought to sign up once, for example, and go into a big group. you shouldn't be in a position where you have dris discrimination and you ought to have portability so if you lose your job, you don't have to go out and do physicals ag

and, they used each opportunity to expand, spread terror, wyden their sphere of control, and, generally, consolidate themselves. and so when the peace agreement in swat was being negotiated, i think -- i don't speak for the government or the military, but, i think the idea was that for once we should see whether they stick to this agreement, do what they are saying and then we can take it from there. and, it didn't take long for them to throw off any cloak and come out with their intentions. which were very clear. refuse to lay down their arms which was part of the agreement. they declared that he rest of pakistan infidels. and denounced the constitution of pakistan. they started committing unspeakable atrocities which -- the videos are difficult to stomach, and generally created a situation where there was no option but to go in. fortunately, this time, because of the exposure that they got and what they came out with themselves, there was a change in public opinion, there was a change in the media. the political resolution came out, very strongly. so, the military operations which wen

wyden: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent to speak in morning business for up to 15 minutes. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. wyden: mr. president, i come to the floor to take a few minutes to reflect on the developments in the health care issue. for me the week began with an inspiring essay by the man who has led the crusade for fixing american health care for more than 40 years. the man who continues to lead this body in our efforts to fix health care. i'm referring, mr. president, to the wonderful essay by senator kennedy who i encourage all senators to read this article because, as usual, senator kennedy lays out the challenge for us ahead. he says on the front page of the magazine, "we are almost there." now, that might be a little much for some folks, given the developments of the week but, as usual, there's a lot of validity in what senator kennedy has just written in "newsweek" magazine. there is widespread agreement on some very, very significant areas of he

start over with one of the republican plans or with a bipartisan wyden-bennett plan. 14 senators are already there, 8 democrats and 6 republicans. and let's begin the 250 million americans who are already covered, make sure their costs are appropriate, that they can afford their health care, and that when we get through with this health care fix, that americans can afford their government. now, mr. president, one other area of an idea that i hope and we hope our friends on the democratic side will agree with and that the president eventually will agree with and that the american people will agree with. and that has to do with how we go about having clean energy. on monday i will be making a speech at the national press club at 11:00 a.m. about a blueprint for 100 new nuclear power plants. this is a part of the republican clean-energy strategy which has four provisions to it. the first is 100 new nuclear power plants in the next 20 years. the second is electrify our cars and trucks. i believe we can electrify half of them in 20 years. the third is explore offshore for natural gas and

no losers in the family, no wyden, etc. i'm just going to read you an excerpt from a couple of rows's letters only because i cannot do prejustice. so, this is after teddy became a senator. he is a grown man. rose would write to him to chide him about his grammar. i which would pay attention to this matter. u.s home after a preposition, for whom the bell tolls. if you listen to jack's beaches you will notice the always use this word correctly. u.s the objective case in english and later on when she was 85 years old and ted was a third term senator, she wrote him i watched you speak about drugs last friday night. please say if i were president, not if i was president. [laughter] there is more. the reason is the old what used to be known in latin as condition contrary to that. for instance if i were he, said ressa you get the idea in these letters went on and on throughout all of the kids' lives. >> very, very high standards but for him rather sadly low expectations. he was constantly disappointing his parents. >> that is true

when you look at ron wyden's idea, look, let's drive the decision who is biting buying the health insurancen and let them bid in a marketplace that could include a public option, could include a co-op, whoever wants to sell health insurance through the domain of regulation could bid to provide to me or chrystia who is going to have a baby or you and the three of us who have probably different health insurance needs at this point in our lives. >> all due to representative divine is -- the health insurance market is the individual market where individuals make their own choices like that. that's what the companies take most advantage is when they abuse the patients the most. the best health care market is, in fact, the big corporations because they get better deals. most employees of big corporations like their health insurance. >> i agree with that. it's such a burden on the corporations and then people-- >> that's true. >> so, in other words, i understand the attractiveness to me, as an employee of general electric, because i get this lovely health plan and get to ask people like you questi

i'm so very pleased to be joined here by senators tester and wyden in offering this amendment and was among the recommendations of the independent commission on the national guard and reserves. it is supported by numerous military and veterans service organizations, and it only makes sense, mr. president, that we would appropriately provide them the reimbursement they need and the travel expenses to get to where they need for their drills and for their training. mr. president, my fourth amendment would enable a valuable program, the national guard youth challenge program, to expand to new cities and new sites and reach even more of our young troubled americans. currently operating in 22 states, the youth challenge trains and mentors youth who have dropped out of high school and it puts them on a path to become more productive, employed and law-abiding citizens. and i recommend to any of my colleagues in this body who have not visited a national guard youth challenge program to go and visit. i have visited our youth challenge program on more than one occasion and have been amazed both

so the snow -- snowe-wyden language is in the senate bill. somehow, you know this, and the speaker knows this, we pass a bill, they pass a bill, when it doesn't match up, we have to have a conference to work things out. so they appointed conferees, the senate sent some guys and gallons over, we -- gals over, we sent people over, no republicans were included, they said let's resolve these two bills. by resolving the two bills, the snowe-wyden language was taken out and this new paragraph protecting the bonuses was put it -- in by somebody. we are talking a little bit about larry the cable guy and get her done. this is one of my favorite games when i was growing up, the game of clue. with apologies to hasbro, the problem is we have asked since that news came out who put that paragraph in? it shouldn't be that hard. who put that paragraph in? nobody will own up to it. it didn't come from the heavens. obviously somebody took a pencil or eraser and took out the senate language and put in that offending paragraph. but nobody will tell us who did it

the major health-care reform was written by ron wyden, not just a democrat, but a liberal one. bill had some good ideas and has as many republicans co- sponsors as democrats. democrats. republican support health care reform that addresses the biggest problem in our system -- run awe way cost. we don't need to spend more money on health care, we already spend more than the rest of the industrialized world. what we need to do is spend it better, starting with a third party payment program, that limits choice, and misal indicates resources -- misallocates resources. we wants the 60 million americans that have health insurance to keep that coverage. we want people to choose their own doctors and make their own choices regarding treatment option. we want to focus on health outcomes, keeping people healthy through preventive care and promoting good fitness and nutrition. under the obama plan, the vast majority of americans will pay more to get less, it's that simple. we will spend trillions more, trillions, and the 260 million americans who now have insurance will have fewer options

a number of us have joined with senator wyden of oregon in a bipartisan plan that makes more commons commocommon sense. that plan, to be specific, would take the subsidies which we now spend on health care -- thank you, madam president -- and spend them in a fairer way, giving low-income americans a chance to buy health care like the rest of us have. it wouldn't create any new government programs. and according to the congressional budget office, it wouldn't add to the debt. we're starting over; that framework would be a good place to start. so, madam president, people at home in tennessee, the mayo clinic, 1,000 local chambers of commerce who've made their announcement today, the congressional budget office, the democratic governors, they all say, "choom! let's get it right. this has too many problems. let's start over with something that americans can afford in terms of their own health care plan and a government that they can afford. madam president, i ask unanimous consent to include in the record following remarks -- the article by martin feldstein, president reagan's former cha

by addressing hunger, illiteraly, disease, in ahearns to the rule of law, we believe we can wyden opportunity and prosperity for more people in more places. now none of these problems even with our closer cooperation will be easy to solve. and results will not happen over night. and we will not always see eye to eye. this is the case in certain instances with human rights where the united states continues to be guided by the ideal of religious and other freedoms that must be respected. still solutions to many of the global chalings -- challenges today are within reach if we work together. where our interest enter sect. and where we cannot, we will be honest with each other. a well known chinese saying speaks of a sacred mountain in northern china. near confucius' home. and it says when people are of one mind and hard, they can move mount thai. now we cannot expect it to be united on every issue at every turn. but we can be of one mind and one heart on the need to find this common ground as we build a common and better future. the obama administration has embarrassed this dialogue with china e

first of all, with regard to senator wyden's comments concerning the national guard, sure, all of us want to make sure that we equip our guard, as but i would simply cite him to the letter of general wyatt, who is the to the letter of general wide who is the head of the army guard -- excuse me, the air force guard. and general white says the f-22 is uniquely qualified to fill the needs that the guard has for its national security mission so to even slightly indicate that the guard has issues with its program is simply not correct because the guard is on record as being a strong supporter of this program. madam chairman, too, i have a letter from retired lieutenant backle, he's now the executive director, acting active director, of the reserves officers association. let me just quote part of this. war plans in the united states are predicated upon technological air dominance to provide asymmetric advantage for victory. military experts believe the current cap of 187 f-22s is an inadequate number of aircraft to ensure no future threat can impede the u.s. air dom mentioned. ñ minimum nu

politicians, dentists and doctors, people who were interested in looking for a nice investment and that wyden the circle of complicity greatly. so, that is part of the story too and that is the way that is similar to today's prime crisis, where people are over indebted by scrupulous-- unscrupulous mortgage bankers and then the papers sold off and it is not their problem anymore. >> let me pursue the discovery or this apprises aspect of this. your father may have discovered a world of contracts selling and widespread complicity in this process. you discover your father, a complex sometimes difficult, often courageous man his own involvement in real estate was the source of some friction in the family and exposed him as he crusaded three charges of hypocrisy. could you talk about the building's? >> the buildings. part of what got me interested in working on learning about my father i guess what is this mystery of the buildings. my father had owned for apartment buildings on the west side of chicago, lawndale, the west park neighborhood and he had grown up in londell. he had a heart condition th