ansar al sharia in yemen. this is where they have set up base five years ago. it is here in the rugged mountains of shabwa where the leadership of al qaeda been based. >> narrator: this was the home of anwar al awlaki, an american- born preacher killed last year in a us drone attack. >> narrator: the approach to the town of azzan was heavily guarded by al qaeda fighters. >> azzan is their fortress. when you reach azzan, you feel it's more sinister than jaar. the town is more desolate, more empty, heavily guarded. they very, very paranoid, far more than in jaar. i had many conversations with judges, clerics in azzan and they wouldn't let us film because no one was allowed to be filmed, to even have his voice recorded by the camera. no one was allowed to carry a cell phone. >> narrator: ghaith was shown the site of a us drone strike. >> these are the spots where the son of the american preacher anwar al awlaki was killed. >> narrator: the 16-year-old son of the al qaeda leader was a us citizen. >> his son and ei

he rolled yemen for more than three decades. it came at a price. parliament granted him immunity for prosecution in agreement for stepping aside. people are demanding that the old elite to be brought to justice and the transition is no in the hands of the national dialogue conference rewriting the constitution before full democratic elections next year. >> if the old elites have been thrown into prison or exile like in other countries, it would have been counterproductive for the transition process. and they are still so influential. >> it is a mark of unity when yemen celebrated last year, but the cracks are clearly visible. they are a deeply divided nation. separatists in the south are fighting for their own independent state. there are tentative efforts to find a political solution but no guarantee of success. the new president leaves the country perilously close to chaos. terror attacks and kidnappings, often blamed on how qaeda have a destabilizing effect. it is the powerful tribes that govern large parts of the country. for many, it is a figh

she and her colleagues hope that yemen would be -- hoped that yemen would be governed by new leaders, hoped that are now fading away. >> it was a revelation -- revolution led by the youth, hijacked by the political parties. when i watched the news, i don't see young faces. the young protesters who were killed, just for calling for change. is this the way to honor their legacy? >> pro-democracy activists have filled the square for months. they see themselves as the driving force for change in yemen, but they still find themselves a minority in a national dialogue dominated by the same traditional political elite. a senior member of the former president, ali abdul a select's -- ali abdullah saleh's party. >> if all the ability to lead -- ali abdullah saleh was not convinced it was the right time to transfer power -- it is impossible to hold onto power forever. >> there is tight security at the main entrances of the capital. delegates from all political factions will meet to decide the future of the country. the key issues are the rise of a separatist movement in the south and the she ha

he saved yemen from more. the air of spring is failing. in 2014, we are back to power. >> this is his son who was groomed to succeed him. he commands an elite republican guard units. just a birthday party, a private event, but for his opponents, a clear indication he is looking for any opportunity to stage a political comeback. i wanted to ask about his future plans and the new era of yemen in, but he declined. the man is keen on being remembered by future generations. in this multimillion-dollar moscow, the former president has converted a building into a new museum dedicated to him. -- in this multimillion-dollar mosque. this is a hunting rifle given to him by former u.s. president george w. bush. on most important item display are the scorched treasures and he was wearing during the assassination attempt in june 2011. many of his aides and bodyguards were killed. the metals, the decorative gones, set as a reminder when he was yemen's most powerful man. salah.era, >> news out of nigeria. a terrorism conviction for henry okah. he has been

some groups don't believe in the process at the moment. >> yemen is the worst place in the world to be a woman according to the world economic forum. other recent, popular uprising has allowed some who were -- but a recent, popular uprising has allowed some women who were repressed to speak out. >> she is a you many -- yemeni who was sold as a child bride. she became a symbol of a crushed childhood. now she shares her dreams for a future with the lady who has become the pride of you many -- of yemeni women. she is the first one to win a nobel peace prize. >> i want her to stand by my side and put an end to child bride practice in yemen. >> a source of inspiration for millions of women in a very conservative society, she has a huge responsibility to help put an end to centuries of discrimination. >> the nobel peace prize was awarded to and nation -- a nation. it has -- we want justice. >> a leading human rights activist who has been tirelessly campaigning to change yemen's history of mistreating women. >> you have hundreds and hundreds of women who really have a very loud voice, who are

example drone stream twitter account cataloging every single drone strike since the first one and yemen on november third two thousand and two are drones to graham and instagram accounts mapping out interactive landscapes where these drone strikes occur which brings me to the most recent initiative by data visualization company pitch interactive take a look at this interactive graph of drone strikes just in pakistan since two thousand and four and of course after obama got elected drone use exploded so far having killed three thousand one hundred five people that we know about to talk to me more about this initiative as one of the artists less grubb's of data visualizer with pitch interactive west thanks so much for coming on if you for having so wes usually we see this kind of initiative being done by independent media outlets what inspired your company to do this it's it's it's kind of a long story but we were very busy company were we have a lot of clients and every year or so we try to push away a lot of our client work and just work on something that personally resonates here at th

we said we don't want to keep it there because we don't want to send them back to yemen and so so there's still a guantanamo after more than a decade in confinement and so unfortunately i think you know a lot of the detainees from what i understand are on a hunger strike because they're largely out of sight and out of mind and the only way to call attention to their plight is to do something like what they're doing which you know unfortunately somebody has to die in order to get attention cold to guantanamo and kind of want to see yes or no do you think that the situation is worse and one time of that was under george bush it's no better and is continuing and the longer it goes on i think the worse it is colonel morris davis a professor at howard university of los thank you so much for joining us rand paul's filibuster on wednesday was nearly thirteen hours of conversation about drones and privacy in the united states for the people who cover the growing use of drones of broadband in the skies above this country the speech was a welcome change for the secrecy about that has shrouded presi

four hundred ten and five hundred twenty one drone strikes have occurred in the countries of pakistan yemen and somalia between two thousand and two and today let it be known that none of these countries are ones that the united states has officially declared war on and during those drone strikes anywhere between four hundred twenty three and one thousand three hundred eighty seven civilians were reported killed and of those civilians killed anywhere from one hundred seventy to two hundred nine of those civilians killed were children so just to put that in perspective for you that's at least eight instances of sandy hook's essentially where people have been killed by u.s. drone strikes especially children and i want to highlight one instance in particular this is one of many of this was reported again by the bureau of investigative journalism in december seventeenth two thousand and nine in yemen there was a militant who had just been released from prison he vowed millet. activity allegedly though he was still hit by a drone strike at the time though he was living with a huge number of exte

>> they had a team of american intelligence agents and yemen intelligence agents. he was in yemen. so they were following him for 48 hours in part to guide the drone so the drone would know where he was, and in part to make sure it was him. of course they could have arrested him. he is in a country that has friendly real estates with us and the country's agents were there as part of the surveillance team. if they had arrested them there it would have been illegal because he had not been charged with the crime. so the government didn't want to indict him because they thought the process of trying him might expose uncomfortable truths. >> shepard: this is the bottom line. the fact. the government had information that if they had indicted him the would have had to put into the public. they didn't need that information going public. got it. but because of that, it made the decision to murder -- to kill an american citizen. who was accused of all these bad things but not charged, not tried, nothing, and they also killed his son, who had done nothing. our government, santa missile down,

drone strikes in pakistan or yemen since early january, specifically because john brennan's been busy, because he was nominated to run the cia in early january. so he's essentially been too busy since then to keep droning the heck out of yemen and pakistan. well, if drone strikes rise and fall with how busy john brennan is, if he gets confirmed as cia director the day after tomorrow, should we expect the drone pace to then pick back up? maybe or maybe not. last week, former white house press secretary robert gibbs said something on this show that i don't think got enough attention. he said, he thinks that john brennan believes when it comes to drone strikes that they should be handled by the military and not by the super secretive cia. >> i think what john believes is, when we need to deal with any aspect of military activities, those military activities should be conducted by the pentagon. and i think that, again, is a change in the program, because, again, john understands where we are is just not sustainable. >> that's a big deal. if it is true that the new cia director doesn't thi

drone strike in yemen. in the seven months then, the al qaeda affiliate there has grown in power, influence and lethality. the american solution? authorize more drone attacks." kind of brik brings me back to t quote from the c.i.a. agent. he said drone attacks are like a lawn mower. when you quit mowing the lawn, the terrorists come back. they sometimes maybe more numerous. the question is, you have to always say, can you kill them all? you know, can you kill every terrorist in the world? or for every terrorist you kill, maybe three or four pop up, maybe ten pop up. what happens to the families of people who happen to be the ones we made mistakes on or happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? i know the president, his spokesman, found it cute to say, oh, they should have chosen better parents. they should have chosen a more responsible parents. i don't find tha that endearingr cute. i find that really reprehensible to say that's the standard. you have to ask sc the question, is that going to be th

people brought up the issue of al awlaki been killed in yemen.i think it is good to look at what if scenarios before those scenarios happen. we know al awlaki had led prayers for muslim congressional staffers here on capitol hill. can you foresee a time when someone like al awlaki was on a hit list and finishes when he was doing in yemen and gets back into the united states? if there is concern about imminent attack while he was in yemen, could there be those same concerns? when would it be possible for someone on the hit list, as he was, to be hit in the lead to states proper? >> the al awlaki case will someday be the subject of a wonderful book. if he had made it back to the united states, there is no dispute that the proper way to handle them would have been for the fbi to arrest him and for him to be prosecuted in u.s. federal court. >> my question was not on what was proper. my question was the possibility of someone on the hit list being found in the lead to states. a man was arrested at dulles airport. he had been close to the clinton admi

from boots on the ground to robots in the air the cia and pentagon's first drone strike occurred in yemenin two thousand and two and sense then we've ratcheted up our drone activity under this administration the pentagon spending of unmanned aircraft has jumped from two hundred eighty four million in two thousand to nearly four billion last year the number of drones owned by the pentagon rocketed from less than two hundred two thousand two to seventy five hundred now while the bulk of these drones are small shoulder launched ravens heavily armed predators and reapers are also use having accumulated one million hours of combat patrols in the skies over afghanistan and iraq insurgents don't have the ability to shoot them down and they're controlled remotely so even if they crash american soldiers. this makes them quite popular for the u.s. drones provide twenty four hour patrols over hot spots and gather intelligence by pulling in millions of terabytes of data and hours of video feeds. right now predator and reaper drones are completing fifty nine twenty four hour combat air controllers per

criminal justice issues but i think after we saw you know the killing of a sixteen year old american in yemen people are suddenly they've woken up to this idea that actually you know there is a place for criminal justice in the crude criminal justice protections provided by the constitution in combat in terrorism so i think that's sort of the shift we're saying just calling everything a war on terror calling everybody who might possibly dislike united states an enemy combatant it doesn't fly anymore. when holder says that these attacks are unlikely and hopefully will never be used and we are just talking about very extreme circumstances to prevent a catastrophe from happening something like pearl harbor are or nine eleven do you admit that there he has some kind of a justification there when he says that the yeah i mean it's interesting because we're not just talking right about the d.o.j. responding to those potential threats using drones they're talking about the targeted killing white paper doesn't specify whether or not it's true owns i mean presumably if you can kill some without due pro

what i've seen in my reporting on the ground in somalia, yemen, and elsewhere is we'll have tremendous blowback from this if we don't take a serious step back and look at the impact on the ground of the drone strikes. >> how about that? you've written about whether in pakistan these drone strikes create more terrorists than they kill as jeremy argued. >> well, what we actually look at is public opinion. what is interesting, everyone knows pakistanis tend to dislike the drones in the major cities. what we don't actually know is what pakistanis think about the drones in the tribal areas. in my own travels on pakistan i find that people, the closer they are to the drones the less willing they are to say they hate them. in part because they understand the options are the pakistan military are living under the regime but i will say i very much agree with jeremy. i am not a supporter of the so-called strikes. even if we were to have transparency we wouldn't know anything about the signature strikes. on this we are in absolute agreement. >> jeremy, you've called drone strikes murder. if you w

here is scared or terrified of those drone strikes that are going to kill children in pakistan or yemen tonight but they're terrified of the idea of someone coming into a middle school or a junior high school and killing the people who aren't supposed to be killed you know oh my god twelve little children that's not supposed to happen in the majority of them are in coded american language from the parents of hard working americans and i think that's the difference they're not scared of those people dying because in our society those people are supposed to die the children of gaza the children of yemen the children of syria they're supposed to die well and i really here are not supposed to die and frankly it's. scares our society when we have those random acts of violence when the people that are not supposed to die are done ok so the other question that i do want to ask you is we've talked about the government and police involvement a little bit there is another another round suicide is this the realm that the media plays in it i know that your music often focuses on a sort of trickle d

this includes afghanistan, pakistan, south asia, egypt, yemen, and many other states across africa and in our own hemisphere. many countries that are extremely important to u.s. interests that sit in while top areas are living with extreme water and food stressed that can destabilize governments. this includes afghanistan and pakistan, south asia, yemen, the arab world in many other nations states. water challenges include problems with quality and quantity and flooding. some countries will almost certainly exert leverage over there never is -- over their neighbors to preserve their own water interests. water infrastructure could be considered a viable target for terrorists. in the united states, germany, japan, less than 15% of household expenditures are for food. terrorists militant, and crime groups are used to undermine government authority. introduction of a livestock are plant disease could be a greater threat to the united states in global food system in a direct attack on the food system intended to kill human spirit there will be security concerns with respect to help the pand

killed him in yemen before he could kill more americans.t under the law al-awlaki was no different than the nazis who came ashore on long island in world war ii and were captured and executed. the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. well, mr. president, i watched some of that, quote, debate, unquote yesterday. i saw colleagues of mine who know better come to the floor and voice this same concern which is totally unfounded. i must say that the use of jane fonda's name does evoke certain memories with me, and i must say that she is not my favorite american. but i also believe that as odious as it was, ms. fonda acted within her constitutional rights. and to somehow say that someone who disagrees with american policy and even may demonstrate against it is somehow a member of an organization which makes that individual an enemy c

>> we deftly have seen both al qaeda court in pakistan as well as a queue, ap in yemen, to reach out beyond those regions into the united states to radicalize individuals who are here who may be susceptible to that kind of a message. they may be simply wayward knuckleheads. but they may well be inspired by that message and seek to carry out an attack. >> let me address that to you, also, director mueller. the fbi has jurisdiction over criminal and domestic activity. i would like your comments on what you see taking place from the pinpoint of homegrown terrorists. >> let me start by saying that the threat from aq ap, the thread is still out there. the individuals responsible for previous events are still there. more directly at home, it is the radicalization of individuals on the internet who have developed the desire or the will to undertake attacks. they are difficult to find. co-conspirators and others can join in. but then again, the internet can facilitate that kind of meeting or coming together for of attack. it is lone wolves that we are principally concerned about. the other p

imminent danger to the hostages speak as you don't doesn't have that with somebody driving around yemenn an automobile or where ever this particular drum tech was taking place spent yesterday to have the possibility of imminent death to people on the airplane that he is allegedly putting umar farouk abdulmutallab on spin i'm not defending mr. all awlaki in any way, shape, or form. i want to know we can do to protect u.s. citizens. go ahead. >> can't i just respond to that? i think the answer to that has to be rigorous procedure to whether there's rigorous procedures, no, you want rigorous procedures both on the side of making sure the target is the person who you think is and making sure that you in fact identified rigorously the person who, in fact, is a lawful target. and you also want rigorous procedures that will be consistent with the laws of war, minimize collateral damage because i'm going to interrupt because i want to turn to my colleague, and i've exceeded my time. >> thank you very pretty but go thing i would add is i get it's very important, especially for the purposes of th

is winding down operations, while al qaeda has migrated to yemen and north africa. i can envision a lot of debate and uncertainty about what really constitutes a hot battlefield. is the u.s. boots on the ground echo if so, how many? in 2011, forbya example? the distinction makes sense for developing policy, but i caution the development of legal regimes and standard on that basis. next, a minor point. is ahrase drawn support catchy phrase that fits on a bumper sticker, but it is a conceptual misnomer. the activity we are talking about is not limited to unmanned aerial vehicles. targeted legal force can be, and is, conducted from several other types of platforms, including man aircraft. then there are other constitutional issues. again, this depends in large part on the scope of what we are considering. i agree with the analysis on the subject, article 2 of the constitution states that the president shell be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. this is his burden and responsibility. he may delegate it within his own chain of command, but he cannot assign part

counterterrorism and in that role he's overseen the expansion of the drone strikes in pakistan in yemen, and in somalia. so he's perhaps one of -- he's certainly one of the government's most experienced counterterrorism hands. brown brown niels, what was playing out today especially with senators mccain and graham upbraiding rand paul? >> what happened after last night we noticed senator mccain and senator graham were not among those joining in the effort on the senate floor in support of senator paul during his almost 13-hour filibuster. and what they were really -- today they were really protesting against even the context of the question that senator paul sought and eventually received an answer to from the obama administration which sort of suggested that there could be a possibility that either president obama or some future president may want to use a missile from a drone to actually kill an american citizen at a coffee shop somewhere on u.s. soil. >> well, how strong is this divide and what is the -- what's behind -- i mean, what's the key issue behind it that they're fighting ov

this apd off th happened off the coast of yemen but we are just learning about it now.that chinese hackers are breaking into the computer networks of u.s. companies and agencies as china likes to elude sanctions with regard to iran's nuclear program. joining us is gored son chang and elon berman. author ever teheran rising, iran's challenge to the united states. welcome to you both. gordon let's start with this particular incident being these arms that we found off the coast of yemen. how big is this business between iran and china, and arms smuggling? >> well china and iran have had a very durable partnership and it's not just small arms, not just these man-pads or man portable air defense systems, but it's also nuclear weapons technology and also through third parties like north korea and pakistan we've seen a lot of nuclear technology go to the iranians from china this has been a partnership that's gone on for more than a decade and it's a very dangerous trade. >> elon what is the affect on iran's attempt to build a nuclear weapon? >> no, i think the attempt has been

killed him in yemen before he could kill more americans.under the law, awlakist was no different than the nazis who came ashore on long island in world war ii and were captured and executed. the country needs more senators who care about liberty, but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about." well, mr. president, i watched some of that -- quote -- "deba "debate" -- unquote -- yesterday. i saw colleagues who know better come to the floor and voice some of this same concern, which is totally unfounded. i must say that the use of jane fonda's name does evoke certain memories with me, and i must say that she is not my favorite american. but i also believe that, as odious as it was, ms. fonda acted within her constitutional rights. and to somehow say that someone who disagrees with american policy and even may demonstrate against it is somehow a member of an organization which makes that ind

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when you're operating 87 miles from the capital of yemen. where the yemeni security forces don't go, there's not a lot of feasibility of capture. you'd have to put boots on the ground. >> the legal question, "the new york times" had a very in-depth analysis this weekend about the legal justifications for killing anwar al alacki and there is collateral damage. people that go down in these targeted drone raids. the question is to what degree is that legal any more. to what degree is that not sort of taking an executive privilege and expanding it beyond your actual, the constitutional rights? >> right. i mean well, on the legal question, the domestic foundation for all our alm. congress passed a law that allowed us to take action. internationally the legal foundation is our inherit right of self-defense, especially in countries unwilling or unable to do it themselves. i feel like the administration's counterterrorism policies has firm legal footing. what's important for people to understand is people at the white house don't sit around in a roo

he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen.used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states, particularly allies like pakistan and others. the question -- the fundamental question about the enemy combatant, there are three criteria, when they're overseas, many people in the u.s. don't really care about them, but when they're inside the united states, that's when -- what is their operational capables, two, what is the imminent threat that this person is posing to the security and safety. they areally i think the associate with the group that american described. i think when it comes to overseas, the public and many people here, the politicians don't really ask the questions. when it comes to american citizens, it's going to be a different ball game. >> i'm going to ask you to stan

i would go anywhere but yemen. i don't know why but i'm skiferede yemen. i hear the congresso is the worst place to go for a woman -- congo is the worst place to go as a woman but i've been there four times. if i got started fully invested in service work that would be my life path without exploring the creative part first. so i -- a 22-year-old style i stopped returning the peace corp. recruiter's calls. i have made my amends to her and the entire organization and the sergeant and his children multiple times. i love carrying these narratives around the world. boy, can i pick out an american peace corp. across the room. you ask them fantastic staff -- how many local dialects three. you ask the pea corp., 14 and i speak them all. i went to the other jungle, hollywood. i had success much to the -- what would the word be? i wouldn't say surprise. it happened very fast. i remember when i was going, i was talking to that family friend and i was so frightened. i was raised with some of the greatest voices in my generation in my own home. i did want know what it

supporting non- -- closing their eyes to al qaeda affiliates in syria and then bombing them with dones in yemen. the same people who are the hip transits here. a little analyst from the university of teheran. now, as we talked about, iran's ally, the syrian government was another country to oppose the treaty. more from bay root in neighboring lebanon. >> the syrian government used some of the arguments it has been naming for years, one is the united states is an organization manipulated by the superpowers to join their own -- when it comes to this treat questiony, the they said what about the small arms that are being smuggled into their area and in the government these are used to create kay yoss in the country. >> rebels in syria say they ave taken domestic side. this amateur video says it shows them taking over a check point and they say they have aptured several armored syrian soldiers vand captured penalty at bag dat. there's lee people killed -- four mosques in neighborhoods were targeted. >> meanwhile, demonstraters say they were the target of criminal investigation and thousands of sunn

so he's essentially been too busy since then to keep droning the heck out of yemen and pakistan. well, if drone strikes rise and fall with how busy john brennan is, if he gets confirmed as cia director the day after tomorrow, should we expect the drone pace to then pick back up? maybe or maybe not. last week, former white house press secretary robert gibbs said something on this show that i don't think got enough attention. he said, he thinks that john brennan believes when it comes to drone strikes that they should be handled by the military and not by the super secretive cia. >> i think what john believes is, when we need to deal with any aspect of military activities, those military activities should be conducted by the pentagon. and i think that, again, is a change in the program, because, again, john understands where we are is just not sustainable. >> that's a big deal. if it is true that the new cia director doesn't think the cia should be killing people with drones, that the military should be doing it instead, that's a big deal. but you know what would be a bigger deal?

walk can i in yemen. an american citizen, one of the military leaders in yemen, who recall yawided asan, had been involved in planning terrorist attacks against u.s. forces. president obama was informed through the military intelligence community channels of anwar aulaqi's existence, all the videos he made supporting gee had and killing americans, and he, as commander in chief, designated this person as combatant. mr. president, you did what you had the authority to do and i congratulate you for making that informed decision, and the process to get on this target list is very rigorous. i think sometimes almost too rigorous. but now apparently senator paul says at it okay to kill him because we have a photo of him with an rpb on his shoulder, he moved the ball. he is saying now he wants this president to tell him that he will not use a drone to kill an american citizen setting in a cafe, having a cup of coffee. who is not a combatant. i find the question offensive. as much as i disagree with president obam

>> we deftly have seen both from al qaeda court in pakistan as well as a queue, ap in yemen, to reach out beyond those regions into the united states to radicalize individuals who are here who may be susceptible to that kind of a message. they may be simply wayward knuckleheads. but they may well be inspired by that message and seek to carry out an attack. >> let me address that to you, also, director mueller ver. the fbi has jurisdiction over criminal and domestic activity. i would like your comments on what you see taking place from the pinpoint of homegrown terrorists. >> let me start by saying that the threat from aq ap, the thread is still out there. the individuals responsible for previous events are still there. more directly at home, it is the radicalization of individuals on the internet who have developed the desire or the will to undertake attacks. they are difficult to find. co-conspirators and others can join in. but then again, the internet can facilitate that kind of meeting or coming together for that kind of attack. it is lone wolves that we are principally concerned

he ends up over in some country like yemen hanging around in a cafe basically trying to make contact with the enemy. is he someone that should be knocked off by drone or any other means? is it wrong to consort with the enemy? >> that's the question. petraeus has proposed when he was still running the war in afghanistan that the obama administration adopt a policy whereby people would be targeted for drones because based on some suspicious activities that looked like they might be terrorists. even if we weren't sure who those people were. that worries me. it bothers me not just we might be killing american citizens. it worries me that we might be killing anybody. if we don't have absolute certainty that these people represent a legitimate threat to the united states. and it certainly ought to be more than something they said. you know, after we killed al awlaki, a drone also hit his son. well, we're now told that was an accident. well, how did he end up hit by a drone? >> does anybody admit he was a target, cynthia? >> nobody knows. nobody's saying. that's the problem again. it is shr

killed him in yemen before he could kill more americans. but under the law, awlaki was no different than the nazis who came ashore on long island in world war ii and were captured and executed. the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than, quote, pull political stunts that fire up impressional libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he is talking about. >>> well, mr. president, i've watched some of that, quote, debate, unquote, yesterday. i saw colleagues of mine who know better, come to the floor and voice this same concern, which is totally unfounded. i must say that the use of jane fonda's name does evoke certain memories with me, and i must say that she is not my favorite american. but i also believe that as odious also it was, ms. fonda had constitutional rights, and to somehow say that someone who disagrees with american policy and even may demonstrate against it, is somehow a member of an organization which makes that individual an

so he ends up in some country like yemen and he's sitting around in a cafe basically hanging around, trying to make contact with the enemy. is he a ripe target by our standards of justice to be knocked off by our military by drone or any other means? is it wrong to con sort with the enemy? >> that's the question. petraeus had proposed when he was still running the war in afghanistan. people would be targeted by drones based on suspicious activities that looked like they might be terrorists. that worries me. it bothers me not just we might be killing american citizens, it worries me that we might be killing anybody. we need absolutely certainty that these people represent a legitimate threat to the united states and it certainly ought to be more than something they said. you know, after we killed al awlaki, a drone also hit his son. well, we're now told that was an accident. >> does anybody admit he was a target? >> nobody is saying. and that's the problem, its shrouded in see questiocresecre. united states citizens don't know what's being done and we should. >>> coming up, when is wi

when you think about the targeted killings program in pakistan, particularly, yemen and somalia, one of the great dangers here is that we've been lulled into a notion that these are hugely effectism-- effective forms of violence, we put such pressure on al qaeda we are pushing them to collapse. there is no queson al qaeda suffered unde drone strike, the question is that there counter-- if for example we generate a lot of local political hostility due to drone strikes, if we make it harder and harder. >> rose: rewe are doing that. >> 70% of pakistanies said they consider united states an enemy. when you face a situation like that one of the things that happens is the government finds it harder to say yes to the united states is so i think one thing about the targeted killing program has been lost is there is this notion it is effective and we are not looking at the other side of the balance sheet, at for example whether they confirm the image of the united states as someone who es technologyand bomb was a second thought. and whether they raise the political cost facing the government

he shouldn't be sitting there in a safe zone in a desert in yemen attacking us, planning to attack us, declaring war on us. i think we have a right to respond and hopefully find a way to capture him if we can. but if not i believe that the president is authorized under our resolution. and any president has a right to go after that person using the appropriate amount of force, again hopefully capturing but if not eliminating that person who has declared war and actively engaged in war on us. so yes, it's worth a heck of a lot of thought but it's also worth a heck of a lot of thought as to any weapon we use against an american or anyone else anywhere. i mean that takes a lot of thought. it ought to be whether it's a drone or whether it's an f-16 hitting somebody with a missile or any other weapon. it takes alot of thought. the drone world is a slightly different world. they in principles, it's not all that different frankly from shooting a missile from an airplane. >> rose: with respect to the withdrawal from afghanistan, do you believe that the targeted timetable is the appropriate one