put zeke emanuel on retirement? >> yeah, i'm going to probably have to deflect that question -- >> oh, i know. >> but let me address the comment that was made about -- here i think it really is an important point to keep in mind. we're talking about a health care plan in terms of obama care, affordable care act, whatever you want to call it, that's going to provide health care coverage for tens of millions of americans that did not have it previously. you're talking about people who had pre-existing conditions that were not able to get health care coverage before let's not pretend like this notion of deductibles and co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses is somehow a new phenomenon. that had been the norm of our health care practice. >> i want to tell you this, it's not the notion of deductibles or the notion of premiums. it's not the notion of doctors and hospitals. it's the fact, it's the reality. it's the volume. it's the level. that's what's missing. and you know why it's missing? because whatever government does wi

then from zeke emanuel, says yes, you can keep your doctor if you're willing to pay more.s on fox news sunday. >> nobody launched a big pr campaign so sign up. we're about to launch a big pr campaign and that, i think, is going to persuade a lot of people. >> did he say if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. >> yes, look, if you want to pay more for an insurance company that covers your doctor, you can do that. this is a matter of choice. stuart: yeah, you've got to pay up. the latest victim of obamacare, rebecca pierce resigned after efforts to fix the website in maryland failed. it's home to a large number of federal workers and a governor who is an outspoken supporter of president obama. that's maryland. do you watch football sunday? you missed a big day. eagles-lions, white-out question. the big question. with the super bowl in new jersey, open air stadium. what happens if there's a blizzard for the super bowl? to colorado, trainer a 64 yard field goal, the longest ever. look at that. talk about fireworks, a crazy finish in baltimore. five touchdowns in the

. >> joining me now, krystal ball and zeke emanuel serving as special adviser for health policy in the obama administration. krystal, it sounds like the website is working like a website. >> yeah. and that is a beautiful thing, both because it's time for us to move past the debates and the questions about glitches and into actually seeing this law work in action. i mean, i think the republicans are going to find themselves in a very perilous place where they have pinned all of their hopes and all of their messaging and all of their platform on hoping that this law fails. they grabbed on to the website and they grabbed on to the president wasn't very straight with you. but over time the law is going to work better and better and we are going to see success stories that we are increasingly seeing and republicans are going to be caught with their pants down and hanging on to this thing, but we really hate obama care, don't you hate it, too? >> zeke, the numbers are still a little vague. they can't tell us how many people have purchased health insurance, how many haven't. they can tell us

and now it seems like zeke emanuel is altering that. he's saying, well, actually, under the pared down, scaled back obama care plans available to a lot of people, they might not be able to keep their doctor. if they want to, they might have to shell out a lot more money to do so. that is a far cry from what the white house said and what the president said over and over again to an american public that took that promise based on its plain english meaning and understood, internalized what that would mean for them. the white house is saying not so fast. >> we've heard about these 5.5 million people who've had insurance plans canceled. now when you're talking about losing the doctors that you like, we're talking about millions. millions of people who might experience that. and quite frankly, would not be able to afford to shell out the kind of dough that we might be talking about here. not to mention -- >> that's right. >> -- there was actually a -- maybe another lie in that statement, in that little clip of that interview as well. because

joining us now is zeke emanuel. thanks very much for being here, it's nice to have you here. >> nice to be back. >> so at these somewhat ridiculous field hearings, congressman issa this week decided to target navigators, what is a navigator and why are they needed? what role do they play in the law? >> well, navigators are people who help other people who are looking for insurance go through what they care about, what kind of insurance they want, help them with the website or if they're doing it on paper, help them on paper. we should remember navigators have a long history. we called them other things, agricultural extension workers to help farmers adapt to certain new seeds, we had these kind of extension workers to help people sign up for medicare in the past. we have used this kind of technique for in different approaches and different kinds of outreach by the government. and i think one particular function they serve is in complicated families. you know, it's one thing to go on and shop for two parents and two

zeke emanuel said there should have been a ceo assigned by you personally with unique personal responsibilitythe rollout of health care. they're not about to get better any time soon. does the president recognize the importance of execution, not poll circumstances, execution? >> yes, he absolutely -- in the white house, everybody now there gets the message. you asked earlier why kathleen sebelius or anybody in her department didn't get fired as a result of this. >> the person who doesn't exist, they can't fire a man or woman who doesn't have an assignment as the direct responsibility to the president. >> anybody you fire over there who doesn't have a senate confirmation can't be confirmed. >> this is one you cannot blame on the republicans. >> you can't blame the rollout on the republicans, but you can suggest why more heads or any heads haven't rolled. >> do you really believe that? that you can't get rid of someone because the other side might make it harder? you don't need senate confirmation for white house staff. >> for hhs, for kathleen sebelius's job. it was her department. >> yeah, i

you can't ever purchase that because zeke emanuel and his experts in washington have decided that if you are a 24-year-old guy you have to have lactation service which is you don't exactly need. the whole intention was to redo essentially to nationalize the whole health care system, to put it under control of the government. that's why we are getting this shocking realization that everything is changed starting on january 1. >> what role do you think the president has played here? some believe he orchestrated the whole thing because he wanted single payer. others think he's clueless and not paying close attention. there are theories beyond that. what do you think? >> the conspiracy theory that he intended we were going to have to end one a canadian system gives them too much credit. i do think the idea that he didn't know doesn't give him enough credit. the real answer is, of course, he knew. he knew you can't get americans to accept a canadian-type system. so, he was ready to settle for second-best, which is essential washington control of health care through the agency of supposedl

coming up on "morning joe," house whip tom cole joins us and zeke emanuel. maybe zeke will ask his brother to call me one day. he only calls when you call. you know what i mean? a phone call and some shoeles. we'll talk to the co-founder of aol steve case and from columbia, juan manuel santos. first here's bill kierans. oh. >> hey. >> ho. >> is that real? >> that is the comcast. >> isn't that a screen behind him. are you lying? >> good morning. what did you say? >>. >> are you really in front of the tree? >> no, it's a beautiful tree. >> can you walk up and touch it? >> good god. this will go on forever. >> you guys set this up to me on a tee, i want to show you what the trees looked leak going back to 1934 and in 1937 during the depression. look at that tree. this tree evolved into a huge spectacle here. tonight at 8:00 the tree lighting will gen, the ceremony and the performers will be here the forecast could not be better. 50 degrees. cloudy, warm. no problems with the wind. congratulations on that forecast for the big event tonight. in the mid-west, a dif

zeke emanuel msnbc contributor and former special adviser on policy to the obama administration. welcome both. first to you, robert, if you were behind the podium today, what would you be saying about healthcare.gov? >> i think what they have said yesterday and clearly with the president being out there today, there is a subtle message that the website is functioning in a much better place because they understand that if they do an event that draws attention to health care and the website that traffic will greatly increase. so they clearly are demonstrating with today's events the necessity, i think, of today's events the digital architecture of healthcare.gov is greatly improved because they have confidence they can talk about the website and it won't crash. >> but zeke, what about the possible pitfalls down the road? should they be seriously worried? the lead story in the "washington post" is that there are enrollment errors people don't even know about and this starting january 1st when they think they are going to get health care could become a problem if they don't have insu

what concern -- zeke emanuel said the other day there should have been one assigned by you to overseehe rollout of health care. and there wasn't. when secretary sebelius appeared in that hearing and was asked by marcia blackburn, who's in charge, it took her awhile to answer. and she final got to the cms. but it didn't seem like there was a top-down authority system from you. let's look forward. do you have a relationship with your cabinet that they follow through and execute as you envision they should or do you you work through a coup. what is your system for management? >> well, first of all i think it's important to distinguish between this particular health care project where it is obvious that we needed additional controls in place, because it didn't deliver on time the way we wanted. and how we've managed incredibly complex problems for the last five years. everything from wars to pandemics to, you know, natural disasters to expanding student loans for young people. generally speaking, my theory has been number one that yes i've got a strong chief of staff but i'm holding every

. >> zeke emanuel and krystal ball, thank you. >>> coming up, a last word exclusive, those three high school athletes who were arrested in rochester, new york, this week while they were waiting for their school bus, they will join me. as a business owner, i'm constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cash card from capital one, i get 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. i break my back around here. finally someone's recognizing me with unlimited rewards! meetings start at 11, cindy. [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one. choose 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day. what's in your wallet? i need your timesheets, larry! >>> boston globe report elizabeth warren was asked if she wants to run for president and her answer, "i'm not running for president and i plan to serve out my term." reporters asked her if she would make a pledge to stay until her term runs out in 2018. she said, i plan to stay my term. the current president of the united states also pledged to serve ou

zeke emanuel appeared on "meet the press." >> in the long run, over the next few years and to the end of the decade, this is going to have a dramatic improvement. it's going to lower costs. you're going to have competition in the exchanges. that's already keeping insurance costs down and going to keep them down further. you're having improvements in the health care system. hospitals have to work on readmissions. >> reporter: so the big question is, what does this all mean? right now we only have an ecdotl evidence. we talked to a few people saying they had a positive experience. they were able to get on to the site, to enroll. so that is what we are hearing from people. but in terms of hard figures, we're going to have to wait a while because the white house only releases figures once a month. so we'll likely get that in another two weeks. the next major deadline is december 23rd. that's when folks have to enroll in order to get coverage by january 1st. the site will be flooded in and around that date. the question is, will the site be able to support far more than 50,000 users. that

zeke emanuel said there should have been a ceo assigned to you with unique responsibility to overseelth care. there wasn't. when secretary sebelius appeared and it was asked who was in charge? and it didn't seem like there was a strong top-down authority system from you. do you have that -- let's look forward here. do you have a relationship with your cabinet that you have a system of cracking the whip that they follow through, they execute as you envision they should, or do you work through a coo, like mr. mcdonough? what is your system for management? >> well, first of all i think it's important to distinguish between this particular project, this health care project where it is obvious that we needed additional controls in place because it didn't deliver on time the way that we wanted and how we've managed incredibly complex problems for the last five years. everything from wars to pandemics to, you know, natural disasters to expanding student loans for young people generally speaking, my theory has been, number one, that, yes, i've got a strong chief of staff but i'm holding ever

what concern -- zeke emanuel said the other day there should have been one assigned by you to overseehe rollout of health care. and there wasn't. when secretary sebelius appeared in that hearing and was asked by marcia blackburn, who's in charge, it took her awhile to answer. and she finally got to the cms. but it didn't seem like there was a top-down authority system from you. let's look forward. do you have a relationship with your cabinet that they follow through and execute as you envision they should or do you work through a coo. what is your system for management? >> well, first of all i think it's important to distinguish between this particular health care project where it is obvious that we needed additional controls in place, because it didn't deliver on time the way we wanted. and how we've managed incredibly complex problems for the last five years. everything from wars to pandemics to, you know, natural disasters to expanding student loans for young people. generally speaking, my theory has been number one that yes i've got a strong chief of staff but i'm holding every ca

zeke emanuel, said on fox news to chris wallace, he said, "well what the president really should have said" -- this is his exact quote, "if you want to pay more for your insurance company that covers your doctor, you can do that." well, i don't know what dr. emanuel's looking at and you may be able to find your doctor for more money. but in our state, there's some of the health care providers that aren't on the exchange. in new hampshire, i read the other day more than half of the hospitals in new hampshire aren't on the exchange. so if your doctor happened to work for more than half of the hospitals in new hampshire, there is no amount of money you can pay on the exchange and keep your doctor because your doctor's no longer available through the way that you're told by the health care act that you can get insurance as an individual. the president's promise that my plan, he said, "begins by covering every american. if you already like your health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this part is the amount of money you will spend on premiums and that will be less."

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zeke emanuel was on tv this weakening said -- this weekend saying when the president said you could keep your health care, you could do that by paying a lot more money. that is a broken promise to the american people. we have secretary sebelius coming this week, and would be interesting to hear her answer to why that is now what the president really meant. as you know, the budget chairman is here. he will discuss the details of the agreement with senator murray. i want to congratulate him on the hard work behind trying to get a deal in this divided government that we are in. the deal is something that encompasses deficit reduction, permanent pension reform for government employees, and it doesn't raise taxes. is consistent with republican efforts all along to try to replace the sequester with permanent savings that just make a lot more sense. we also have up on the floor ,his week gregg harper's gabriella miller's kids first research act. gregg harper is one of our colleagues who has a child with special needs. he has been working very hard with peter welch to put this bill forward, whic

zeke emanuel was on tv this weekend saying that when the president said you could keep your health care plan if you like it, what he meant was you could do that just by paying a lot more money. that's how do you it well, that is a broken promise to the american people, and i know we have secretary sebelius coming to the energy and commerce committee this week and i'd be interested to hear the question of why that is now what the president really meant. as you know, the budget chairman is here. he'll discuss the details of the agreement with senator murray. i want to congratulate him on the hard work behind trying to get a deal in this divided government that we're in. the deal is something that accomplishes deficit reduction, permanent pension reform for government employees and it doesn't raise taxes and it is consistent with republican efforts all along to try and replace the sequester with permanent savings that just make a lot more sense. we also have up on the floor this week gregg harper's mr. miller: kids first research act. gregg harper is one -- gabriella miller kids first reer

emanuel showed up with the script, ari would whack him. he won't say it because it's his brother. let's take it over to zeke for a second. he's a salesman managing to make willie lohman look like -- and you could run the logjam at disney in that spittle. i know where the keystone pipeline is. at least he's preaching you in the bs getting me to swallow. when you are the architect for a hus of cards, you go down in the records with the architect who built the tacoma narrows bridge. i requested some footage. the great walter lance provided this when i first watched woody woodpecker as a kid. the's obama care right there. if it was a bridge. and i'm going to continue to call it obama care although they call it the affordable health care act now. i'm change it when the president changes his name to barack affordable. where's the disappointment? why do you scold us? there's 6 million people who have lost their health care. 365 have signed up. take a couple days and be disappointed. the website is a civ. i eliminate the middleman and sign a power of attorney over to julian assange. the last name ezekiel, i researched. three maj