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quote, trump told monica palmer and william hartman, the two gop wayne county canvassers, they look terrible if they sign the documents after they first voted in opposition and then later in the same meeting voted to approve certification of the counties election results, according to the recordings. quote, we've got to fight for our country, and quote, said trump on the recordings, made with a person who is president for the call with palmer and hartman. we can't let these people take our country away from us. the scary part of this new reporting about trump's pressure campaign is that it worked. later in the recording, according to the detroit news, republican national committee chairwoman ronna daniel, who was also on the call, told wayne county officials, quote, if you can go home tonight, do not sign it. we will get you attorneys. to regional trump added, we will take care of that. so, palmer and hartman left the canvassers meeting without signing the official statement of votes for wayne county, and the following day they
quote, trump told monica palmer and william hartman, the two gop wayne county canvassers, they look terrible if they sign the documents after they first voted in opposition and then later in the same meeting voted to approve certification of the counties election results, according to the recordings. quote, we've got to fight for our country, and quote, said trump on the recordings, made with a person who is president for the call with palmer and hartman. we can't let these people take our...
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william hartman and monica palmer left the canvassing meeting. there was a crowd of people around them they entered a vehicle in the parking lot to take this call from donald trump and ronna mcdaniel. there were a group of people who got into the car with william hartman and monica palmer. so you had a number of people, a large number of people that were able to hear this call. >> okay. which may be in part how it got to you. but let me ask you about these canvassers.wayne county unfortunately we know that william hartman passed away in 2021. so now this leaves monica palmer. has there been anything that indicates initially they're opposing the certification, and then what changed or is it just that they didn't sign the certification? >> during the meeting, they initially voted against certification. then during the same meeting, after a number of public comments and a lot of attention, the two republican canvassers changed course, they voted in favor of certification, along with demanding an audit of election in wayne county to take place. after
william hartman and monica palmer left the canvassing meeting. there was a crowd of people around them they entered a vehicle in the parking lot to take this call from donald trump and ronna mcdaniel. there were a group of people who got into the car with william hartman and monica palmer. so you had a number of people, a large number of people that were able to hear this call. >> okay. which may be in part how it got to you. but let me ask you about these canvassers.wayne county...
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the fact that monika palmer and william hartman had changed their vote. they had actually certify the election. the meeting adjourned. our staff, the election department staff was actually compiling all of the various election data. preparing the certifications for signatures for the canvas members. and for the chair of the canvas, as well as the county clerk. all of these documents were being prepared. while we were waiting, when they were completed, the repairman of the documents we looked around and they weren't there. we started calling their cell phones. they didn't answer their cell phones. we, our staff, call the michigan secretary of state's office. we explain to them what was going. on the side the only signature that was required at this point, because we had already taken the vote, the only signature that was required was out of the chair or in the absence of the chair, the vice chair so we signed the certification and all the other documents and then we left. never in our minds to be ever imagine that they were being told by the president of t
the fact that monika palmer and william hartman had changed their vote. they had actually certify the election. the meeting adjourned. our staff, the election department staff was actually compiling all of the various election data. preparing the certifications for signatures for the canvas members. and for the chair of the canvas, as well as the county clerk. all of these documents were being prepared. while we were waiting, when they were completed, the repairman of the documents we looked...
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trump reportedly told monica paer and william hartman they would look terrible, quote, if they signed the certification because in an earlier canvassing meeting, paul and hartman originally voted against approving the county's results, before switching to the words of support through the same meeting. following the meeting and the call with trump, palmer and hartman tried to rescind their votes in favor of certification saying that they were pressured to do so. the detroit news reached out to spokespeople for the former president. mcdaniel and canvas are monica palmer disputed the call. the other candidate, palmer, died in 2021. it sounds similar to georgia, you have to find me those votes. who knows what impact this will have, but there is this reporting that election officials were under pressure to switch the election in favor of donald trump? >> michigan, like georgia, a battle ground state again. next year. and bond, we've known for a while, donald trump purposely got involved with georgia. telling raffensperger to find the exact number of votes for georgia. he's calm. so that's
trump reportedly told monica paer and william hartman they would look terrible, quote, if they signed the certification because in an earlier canvassing meeting, paul and hartman originally voted against approving the county's results, before switching to the words of support through the same meeting. following the meeting and the call with trump, palmer and hartman tried to rescind their votes in favor of certification saying that they were pressured to do so. the detroit news reached out to...
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hartman who has passed away, you can challenge the recollection of those witnesses, but when you have tape, and i wrote about this in july of 2018, regarding michael cohen's recording of a conversation regarding stormy daniels with trump, and when you have a tape, and i just finished a one-week trial, and when you are playing tapes against a defendant, it has a profound effect on a jury, because you hear the tone, the cadence, the words, and you don't have to listen to a witness's summary. so based on what i know, and i haven't listened to this tape, it is consistent with the manners and means in jack smith's indictment that donald trump allegedly used to get election officials to change their positions. this is the problem for donald trump, because it could violate the bribery laws for the state of michigan and possibly, possibly could violate federal bribery laws, because these two canvassers and one has passed, they voted to approve, to certify, and the audit was going to be done as part of the concession. it was a 4-0 vote. hours later, he calls and i have heard that he pressured
hartman who has passed away, you can challenge the recollection of those witnesses, but when you have tape, and i wrote about this in july of 2018, regarding michael cohen's recording of a conversation regarding stormy daniels with trump, and when you have a tape, and i just finished a one-week trial, and when you are playing tapes against a defendant, it has a profound effect on a jury, because you hear the tone, the cadence, the words, and you don't have to listen to a witness's summary. so...
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he -- we have never had, and it's one of the things that i mentioned to monica palmer and william hartmanave never had any interference from our party, already officials, democratic or republican. the secretary of state governor or anyone have we ever had to worry about them calling us and trying to weigh in on certifying on the election. understanding this, that surging find the election was not about us determining anything. it is a ministerial duty here in michigan and there was nothing for us to decide. but, for some reason, they felt that -- i'm talking about they being the president of the united states and missed romney, that they could actually stop the process from moving forward. that is just amazing that with all the people around them that they did not understand michigan election law, and especially miss romney who has long ties with michigan political politics and political systems, that they would not know this. >> ron it mcdaniel, you're talking about, with the rnc. you know, for many people they are having a little bit of a, wherever i heard this before? it's somebody hav
he -- we have never had, and it's one of the things that i mentioned to monica palmer and william hartmanave never had any interference from our party, already officials, democratic or republican. the secretary of state governor or anyone have we ever had to worry about them calling us and trying to weigh in on certifying on the election. understanding this, that surging find the election was not about us determining anything. it is a ministerial duty here in michigan and there was nothing for...
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hartman, on the wayne county board of canvassers not to certify joe biden's victory in michigan sayinggot to fight for our country. we can't let these people take our country away from us. and rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel telling the officials if you can go home tonight, do not sign it, we will get you attorney, trump agreeing. this is very similar to trump telling the georgia secretary of state i just need you to find me 11,780 votes, but does the michigan story move the needle at all? >> welsh this is really -- i don't know that it moves the needle in the press, but it does show that jack smith has ed that we don't know about in the public finish evidence that we don't know about in the public yet. it's possible these stories will continue to come out and also that these stories will be presented in a court of law. so i think it shows the jack smith case strong. but i did want to say one thing about j.d. vance, this is the someone who called trump cultural a heroin, and it looks like he's mainlining it now, and fighting the press and refusing to demonize his very anti-immigrant rema
hartman, on the wayne county board of canvassers not to certify joe biden's victory in michigan sayinggot to fight for our country. we can't let these people take our country away from us. and rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel telling the officials if you can go home tonight, do not sign it, we will get you attorney, trump agreeing. this is very similar to trump telling the georgia secretary of state i just need you to find me 11,780 votes, but does the michigan story move the needle at all?...
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the second canvasser william hartman died in 2021.onservative attorney. there's a lot to talk about. i want to talk about the sort of new revelations coming out of michigan and what they could mean, particularly what they might mean for jack smith's case and other state based cases but also we've got this supreme court denial of cert before judgment, i want to get your reaction to it because we've been sort of asking different legal folks what they think. george, if i'm not mistaken you worked on the jones v. clinton brief on the side of paula jones in a civil context saying president clinton should have to sit for a deposition, he was not entitled to immunity. you guys won that case 9-0, so you know immunity doctrine of the supreme court. what do you make of this cert petition denial? >> i'm the only person i think in the universe that's written a claim of cert of presidential immunity i think. i think today's order is not a big deal. i see a lot of people their hair is on fire. they can just douse their hair in water because this is
the second canvasser william hartman died in 2021.onservative attorney. there's a lot to talk about. i want to talk about the sort of new revelations coming out of michigan and what they could mean, particularly what they might mean for jack smith's case and other state based cases but also we've got this supreme court denial of cert before judgment, i want to get your reaction to it because we've been sort of asking different legal folks what they think. george, if i'm not mistaken you worked...
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noveer 17th, trump and mcdaniel call wayne county officials monica palmer and william -- who we wereunty certifies the election results. november 18th, palmer and hartman say they regret their vote to certify the election and file affidavits to un that vote. th g to november 20th. michigan gop leaders summoned by trump to the white house. november 23rd, state election board certifies michigan election results. this sequence of events, help us put it in perspective just how damning is it legally in your opinion, joy? >> well, it's incredibly damaging for trump and those around him. to tim's point, this is now a pattern of conduct. it's not just georgia, which was bad enough. now we see the same thing in michigan. and here's the difference, alesia, in georgia, trump gets shut down by republican politicians. they push back. they say there was no fraud. they decline to be threatened or cajoled by trump into engaging in his conspiracy. but in michigan, something different happens. and we see these -- after they participate in this phone call doing precisely what was asked of them. now, ti
noveer 17th, trump and mcdaniel call wayne county officials monica palmer and william -- who we wereunty certifies the election results. november 18th, palmer and hartman say they regret their vote to certify the election and file affidavits to un that vote. th g to november 20th. michigan gop leaders summoned by trump to the white house. november 23rd, state election board certifies michigan election results. this sequence of events, help us put it in perspective just how damning is it legally...