mark mckinnon stick around. we've been hearing four months that voters do not want another biden-trump rematch in january reuters asked voters in a poll if they were tired of seeing the same candidates run for president and more than two-thirds said, yes, they weren't tired of it. numbers like this, of course, had fueled the possibility of third bids from groups like no labels, the group says that it wants to appeal to more moderate voters and turned the heated political rhetoric in this country they've already secured ballot access and more than a dozen states, but here's the hang-up. they >> still >> don't have a candidate that's willing to run. they've been basically playing the ultimate guess, who game. >> for who will be the no >> labels candidate. >> there were so many >> contestants as you can imagine, but one by one, they all turn down the job bill cassidy larry hogan, dean phillips, nikki, haley david petraeus, jon huntsman, joe manchin, geoff duncan, and chris christie, who just turned down the job yes

mckay coppins, mark mckinnon, still back with us.ust heard my coverage here with larry hogan. he is not coming to no labels rescue. you were involved with this organization back in the day. are these donors right to worry? yes, the theory that there are all of these people across the country who want something else but now the rubber is hitting the road. what is going to happen here? >> well, we will see. i, mean it clearly larry hogan is not going to do it. is not going to do. it will be an obvious choice for nikki haley. i don't see that she has a future in the republican party that's dominated by donald. trump so that would be an obvious. choice but she said, she is not going to do. it but, listen, if this were 47%, 40% identifies at independent. only 25% identifies democrats as independents. and it all pointed back a year ago as, it was a bright, blast case of emergency scenario. and they said that the bottom line was, that they will appoint the exercises to ensure that donald trump was not reelected. and, back then, i, said what

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make a call, -- mark mckinnon, still back with us.cue. you were involved with this organization back in the day. are these donors right to worry? yes, the theory that there are all of these people across the country who want something else but now the rubber is hitting the road. what is going to happen here? >> well, we will see. i, mean it clearly -- larry hogan is not going to do. it -- is not going to do. it will be an obvious choice for nikki haley. i don't see that she has a future in the republican party that's dominated by donald. trump so that would be an obvious. choice but she said, she is not going to do. it but, listen, if this were 47%, 40% identifies at independent. only 25% identifies democrats as independents. and it all pointed back a year ago as, it was a bright, blast case of emergency scenario. and they said that the bottom line was, that they will appoint the exercises to ensure that donald trump was not reelected. and, back then, i, said what happens if we get to may of next year? and donald trump is winning by d

then you can't be part of trump world anymore. >> mark mckinnon. thanks very much for your time. coming up, i understand. thanks. foreign presence, >> influence over house >> republicans apparently does not extend to the tiktok app, at least for now, both parties overcame his opposition to a ban today, the house vote could potentially end tiktok's presence in the us if its chinese owner does not sell the company, which likely would why it has come to this next. also, nfl quarterback aaron rodgers is on rfk juniors vp shortlist. sign some exclusive reporting on rodgers history of embracing fringe conspiracy theories and is now extends to the mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school let's add what happened to the golden boy of new jersey. >> i engaged in an affair with another man did you want to be outed? >> united states of scandal with jake tapper? i've got to >> get a therapist if they're having an interview with jake tapper, new episodes sunday at nine on cnn with the planet fitness black card. you can join for $1 down and bring a friend for free anytime workout at any of

then you can't be part of trump world anymore. >> mark mckinnon. thanks very much for your time coming up, anderson. >> thanks. >> foreign presence, influence over house republicans apparently does not extend to the tiktok app, at least for now, both parties overcame his opposition to a ban today, the house vote could potentially end tiktok's presence in the us if its chinese owner does not sell the company which likely would why it has come to this next. also nfl quarterback aaron rodgers is on rfk juniors vp shortlist. giant, some exclusive reporting on rodgers history of embracing fringe conspiracy theories and is now extends to the mass shooting. at sandy hook elementary school. that's ahead. >> sunday on the whole story two men missing our lives, just stopped. both tied to one deputy. >> he was the last person to see them a lot and a decades long search for the truth, the whole story with anderson cooper sunday at eight on cnn >> my cry >> eyes feeling dry tired, stressed, get a boost of moisture with bio true hydration boost eye drops for com

then you can't be part of trump world anymore. >> mark mckinnon. thanks very much for your time coming up and thanked former president's influence over house republicans apparently does not extend to the tiktok app, at least for now, both parties overcame his opposition to a ban today, the house vote could potentially end tiktok's presence in the us if its chinese owner does not sell the company which likely would why it has come to this next. also, nfl quarterback aaron rodgers is on rfk juniors vp shortlist. tonight, exclusive reporting on rodgers history of embracing fringe conspiracy theories and is now extends to the mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school. that's ahead. >> engineered for the spontaneous, a dual action formula with the active ingredients of viagra and sialic faster acting and long-lasting grabbed the moment. get started at row slash sparks is your shower trying to tell you something is getting in and out of the bathtub becoming a safety concern. are you worried about the cost of a bathroom remodel that could go on for we

investigative reporter with the posters here, mark mckinnon joins us, former advisor to george w. bush and john mccain and jim shootout making his debut appearance. he is chief national security analyst and banker. he is also here because he is the author of the must-read book, return of great power. russia, china and the next world war. let's start with this. it is one thing to post bond, it is another to bond a rich real estate guy for $100 million. it is another to bond the rich real estate guy for $500 million. it is quite another to bond one for $500 million when he needs it because he was just found liable for financial fraud. what upstanding institution would write that bond? most likely none. that is why he could be looking elsewhere and that is why it is so scary when you think of potential conflict of interest. carol, what do you think? >> absolutely. one of the bizarre things about this event is donald trump said a year ago, i have more than $400 million in hard cold cash.'s lawyers announcing we went to 30 companies and we can't make this money liquid. there is a long

mckinnon, also with us cnn political commentator and host of the big deal with errol louis on spectrum news. errol louis, thank you both for being with us. mark first to you, the joe biden that we saw last night vastly different than i think some of the appearances that he's made in the recent few months, i'd say. do you think that version of joe biden has a much better chance of beating donald trump than the one that we've seen perhaps not as polished in recent weeks >> well, it's the only version and i don't think it's overstating the case or even being overly dramatic to say that if joe biden wins reelection, that we can trace it back to this speech as being largely really responsible, of course 100 other things have to happen between now and then. but this had to happen. i mean, the narrative was really being set. the joe biden didn't have the energy, didn't have the fight didn't have the acuity to take on donald trump. and i think what we saw, i mean, the criticism from republicans ironically, is that it was angry a lot better than being asleep. and so i think that what what a lot

joining me now, nbc news chief political analyst, chuck todd, and mark mckinnon, creator of "the circusake of the numbers? >> the nikki haley numbers are of some interest. donald trump has full control of the republican party but not full control of every republican, and this is a party that is divided sort of 2-1. right? about a third of republicans don't want trump to be the leader of the party, and the question really is, how many of those nikki haley voters are going to vote for trump in the fall. right? can biden get 10% of them, 5% of them? i think anything in that range is, a, realistic. i think the biggest problem he has is convincing that voter to vote. because i think that's going to be the real challenge come the fall based on, you know, ten years of just sort of beaten down over this era that we have been living in. >> do you, mark, think that voters are really going to feel so disillusioned come november, because it's donald trump and joe biden again, a rematch, they're going to feel like their vote doesn't make a difference. there are marked changes between the two men and

. >> former congressman max rose, mark mckinnon, thank you both. our thanks to gabe and garrett as well. >>> the supreme court hearing arguments right now that could have major implications for social media and disinformation. we'll explain. >>> also, how a delay in donald trump's hush money case is scrambling his legal calendar. >>> plus our own keir simmons, the first journalist to get vladimir putin to say alexei navalny's name in public. what russia's future under putin looks like now after its latest so-called election. >>> later, breaking down the brackets. we'll talk march madness with our own steve kornacki. we're back in one minute. rnacki we're back in one minute (man) excuse me, would you mind taking a picture of us? (tony) oh, no problem. (man) thanks. (tony) yes, problem. you need verizon. trade-in that old thing and get a new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. so you can take all the pics! so many selfies. a preposterous amount of pano! that means panoramic. and as many portraits of me as your heart desires. (woman) how about none? (

mark mckinnon former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. and tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal constitution. tia, because we ended with georgia, i would like to stay there for a second. do you have an indication of what needs to happen before d.a. fani willis might be able to go to trial? >> well, first and for most, she has to make a decision how she's going to respond to judge mcafee's ruling today. he was very clear, if she and her office want to remain in charge of this case, she's got to part ways with nathan wade. so we need to hear is she going to do that? is she going to appeal? of course, the defense attorneys for some of -- for trump, any of his codefendants, could also appeal. and so what is kind of in the short term with what needs to happen. but there are a lot of moving parts with a lot of defendants, a lot of charges, so there's -- it's nowhere near close to time for a trial in this georgia trump election interference case. >> so dasha, what is interesting is donald trump's team has been using the

. >>> let's bring in mark mckin mckinnon, and alessia johnson. great to have you both with us. mark, tell me what you're watching for today and what states could be interesting. >> well, there is not going to be much drama this week. effectively what is happening is the general election starts this week. trump will wrap up close to enough delegates to be the nominee. and then biden will have the state of the union address. so welcome to the rerun that nobody asked for and nobody really wants to watch, but the reality is that's going to be the only channel we're going to get for the next seven months. >> haley just won in d.c. on sunday. some of the states have open primaries, meaning you don't have to be a registered republican to vote in that primary. could that lead to some surprises? >> i think it could lead to some surprises whether or not nikki haley gets 30 and 40% of the vote, and particularly some of the states that have an open primary, like my state of virginia. but i do think it is going -- she can continue to be a thorn the side of donald trump. if nikki haley, you