if you're not a labour unionist, you're not a labour unionist, you're not a labour unionist, you're notng to get a look in at all in this government. >> relatives in oxfordshire, the beautiful county of oxfordshire, which i think gives your county of somerset a run for its money, isn't it? can we start on a note of agreement and agree that our country is a beautiful place ? country is a beautiful place? >> we can certainly agree on that. that's a good starting point. and we can then discuss which county is the finest. but let's try and get to the issue around labour having taken over. if you quote another 1940s cabinet minister or slightly misquote him, the we are the masters now seems to be the approach that is being taken. we're going to back our friends, but if you're not one of our friends, you're not getting a look in. >> no, i disagree with that very strongly, jacob. and not perhaps just because you'd you'd expect me to disagree with you, but because the conservatives i would argue, ran the country into the ground, ran public services into the ground over the course of 14 years in

they many labour labour leader. they many labour mps are former trade union reps.evolving door and we act as if these unions represent half the country. they represent 22% of the workforce. what about the other 78% who just want to get to work and are blocked by train strikes? who's representing them? i think it's a very strange setup. yes. the labour party was designed to be the political movement, political wing of the trade union movement. but the world has changed. no one's sweeping chimneys anymore, you know, workers rights are pretty much where they are, where they should be in the western world. it is just a very strange system. >> but the alternative would be the taxpayer funding it. i mean, do we want do we want ordinary people to actually pay through their taxes to fund political parties? we have to accept the money must come from somewhere. for the tories , it's for the tories, it's traditionally been business, been wealthy people and big business. for labour, it's traditionally been the trade unions because, as moutet says, that's how they started life.

labour in — time and they are unlikely to vote labour in next time and i suspect when _ labour in nexten we see that budget which will be full of— when we see that budget which will be full of very difficult choices, to use — be full of very difficult choices, to use rachel reeves' phrase, there will be _ to use rachel reeves' phrase, there will be new— to use rachel reeves' phrase, there will be new taxes on the wealthiest pensioners in order to keep our promise — pensioners in order to keep our promise not to tax working people, the people — promise not to tax working people, the people who voted labour at the selection. _ the people who voted labour at the selection, and who they hope they will keep— selection, and who they hope they will keep voting for them. is it wise to pay — will keep voting for them. is it wise to pay off _ will keep voting for them. is it wise to pay off strikers? it - wise to pay off strikers? it has been reported as _ wise to pay off strikers? it has been reported as bad politics i been reported as bad politics because it _ been reported as bad politics bec

but labour labour a chance to.abour labour doesn't want to tackle illegal immigration. >> and it does. patrick. but in rwanda wasn't the way. it wasn't the way to do it. i mean, for example, did you know that under the tories the deportation of convicted foreign criminals fell by a fifth across their 14 years in office? so one of the things that the government is going to concentrate on is, is, is repatriate is deportations. and so in the first week of the government, you mentioned vietnam there, the first week of the government, a plane was full going to vietnam, and it was the plane was sitting on the tarmac from rwanda. >> i do think, and i hope i'm not talking out of turn here, but i do think that whilst people generally i'm not speaking for everyone here, but whilst people generally would like to see a reduction of all illegal immigration and that includes people who might be working in nail bars or working at car washes and things. i think people do have more of a concern about the fact that right now, in dun

they many labour labour leader. they many labour mps are former trade union reps.a revolving door and we act as if these unions represent half the country. they represent 22% of the workforce. what about the other 78% who just want to get to work and are blocked by train strikes? who's representing them? i think it's a very strange setup. yes. the labour party was designed to be the political movement, political wing of the trade union movement. but the world has changed. no one's sweeping chimneys anymore, you know, workers rights are pretty much where they are, where they should be in the western world. it is just a very strange system. >> but the alternative would be the taxpayer funding it. i mean, do we want do we want ordinary people to actually pay through their taxes to fund political parties? we have to accept the money must come from somewhere. for the tories , it's for the tories, it's traditionally been business, been wealthy people and big business. for labour, it's traditionally been the trade unions because, as moutet says, that's how they started li

two labour mp and minister in two labour governments.nment doing this in wales. has the country gone mad? is tracy right? >> i get exasperated by this story. i mean, look, i understand, don't blame me for it. no, no, no, i understand the rationale of race awareness training and advice. it's been going on in the public and private sector for donkey's years. i also understand the case for renaming buildings , as case for renaming buildings, as long as you consult people. colston hall in bristol, when , colston hall in bristol, when, when, when they're associated with slavery or racism. but there's a real risk of going too far, too fast and not taking people with you and you know, effectively prescribing buildings that librarians can use. come on. it's crazy. and the point here, isn't it ? the point here, isn't it? >> michael brown. there's 150,000 quid's worth of public money, i think, from memory going on this, that's a lot of money which could be spent restoring a welsh chapel which is going falling into the ground. it could be anything.

we will be attacking labour. come on, come on. look, labour has been. labour has been.make a lot of mistakes. we know that. and when they do i'll be attacking them, criticising them as other people will. and of course i'll be holding them to account on unions. >> they are far too weak on unions. i'm sorry, but aslef train drivers getting 6 to £9000 a year already just got a pay rise and then effectively after that saying we're going to strike every single week for laboun >> labour are really at the mercy. it's a tabloid phrase, really are at the mercy of their union paymasters. really are at the mercy of their union paymasters . you award a union paymasters. you award a massive pay rise to train drivers and what do they do? weeks later, they said we're still striking . still striking. >> ben benn, the conservative party, the conservative party is in the pay of big business. no one ever sort of people. some people didn't complain to the point, of course. but the point is, the point is that parties have to earn raise money from different sources . and obviously different

and labour donors.y of giving their supporters jobs for their mates. he promised to restore standards in public life with a total crackdown on cronyism. you've given jobs to labour supporters or donors in the civil service, which is supposed to be impartial. you've given a security pass to the labour peer, who paid for keir starmer�*s spectacles and chinos during the election campaign. that is the definition of cronyism, isn't it? well, look, firstly, i'm not going to comment on individual cases. why not? because i'm not you know. we've all read about them. it's not appropriate for me to comment on the process that has gone through in individual cases. how does it smell? does it pass the sniff test? all i can say more generally about this is that people who are long term involved in a political party and support a political party that should not prohibit them from then helping the party in government. that should not exclude them from being able to do that. it's hard to see you making that argument if i

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i think they would not. >> that's what labour say. >> that's what labour say. >> i mean, i think, wellare labour really saying that? because i think that's incredibly disingenuous and insincere. think about the implications that would have had for nhs waiting lists and people accessing treatment. and then on top of that, i mean, people want top of that, i mean, people want to have this debate. i'm very happy to have the debate and discussion. humanitarian crises. russia ukraine. would we say no to the ukrainian citizens that have made their homes here and nor to the hong kongers? >> i mean the bno, british, british nationals in hong kong, the national security act in hong kong was a turning point for all of us. >> we have historic so you don't want the people of hong kong. >> net migration has gone 2 million over four years. you don't want to say that was too much. i mean, many would say it is too much, but you can put context to it and i think it's too lazy. >> if i may say so. i think it's really quite sloppy just to go around, you know, the merry go round on this in the sense that s

but anyway, kelvin, will labour cave in to the pressure ? labour cave in to the pressure?that the price of energy is now going up. it's going up by about 9%, which can be quite a lot of money, actually, to be honest with you. and therefore at the same time as there as the price of energy is going up at the same time, the, the, the handout of £300 is, is going to disappear. and i think, i think that their problem now is that they don't know what to do for. right. they love giving away other people's money. so the middle classes can expect to be funding all kinds of nonsense. now over the next five years before this lot are thrown out. but right now i find the conservative party after all, when they they were accused by labour of thinking of doing this when they were in power and they were being attacked for it, and it didn't happen. now labour in power are saying actually we are going to do what we were attacking. people for only only attacking. people for only only a few months ago. honestly these are a collection of charlatans and unfortunately the whole thing is beginnin

so labour triggered operation early dawn.his is an emergency measure to essentially avoid prison overcrowding as hundreds of people involved in the recent violent disorder are fast tracked through the criminal justice system. so this will lead to defendants charged with a crime and waiting for a court appearance to be held in police cells rather than prison cells, or bailed until a prison space is made available somehow. but is made available somehow. but is this the right approach? and could we actually, as a result of this, see fewer criminals arrested ? if instead of prison arrested? if instead of prison cells being used, police cells are being used with suspects, then what happens if there are further arrests? where are all these people going to go and should labour politically be adopting a tory plan? they previously criticised? this has been done before under the conservatives. so let's get the views of my wonderful panel. alex, can you help us make sense of what's happening here? is this a direct response to the huge n

but labour labour a chance to.ut labour labour doesn't want to tackle illegal immigration. >> and it does. patrick. but in rwanda wasn't the way. it wasn't the way to do it. i mean, for example, did you know that under the tories the deportation of convicted foreign criminals fell by a fifth across their 14 years in office? so one of the things that the government is going to concentrate on is, is, is repatriate is deportations. and so in the first week of the government, you mentioned vietnam there, the first week of the government, a plane was full going to vietnam, and it was the plane was sitting on the tarmac from rwanda. >> i do think, and i hope i'm not talking out of turn here, but i do think that whilst people generally i'm not speaking for everyone here, but whilst people generally would like to see a reduction of all illegal immigration and that includes people who might be working in nail bars or working at car washes and things. i think people do have more of a concern about the fact that right now, in

haste paymasters were benefiting from this labour government. . ._ labour government... been reading our— labour government... have you not been reading our inbox? _ been reading our inbox? that's likely to appoint our viewer wrote to us about, kevin newton, got in touch about winter fuel payments i spoke to him most other by asking him if he had written to his mp as well. �* ., ~:: ., , well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local— well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp. _ well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp, pat _ well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp, pat mcfadden . well. i've written over 60 e-mails| to my local mp, pat mcfadden and well. i've written over 60 e-mails - to my local mp, pat mcfadden and he hasn't even had the decency to return one e—mail to me. you see, i've got probably younger viewers who never get any help in their flat share. is it you are angry because you have worked all your life or do you think everyone is suffering? it is also, can i say, that it may have a drastic effect everyone that is just above the t

labour politically neutral. labour hired one.her name, but we've mentioned it last night . name, but we've mentioned it last night. is it rose something? rose grayson, who's been hired to oversee ethics in whitehall. she was a former labour donor and has now been given this plum job in in the civil service. andrew jenkins, i said in my introduction there, the cronyism puts your former lot to shame. the tories . lot to shame. the tories. >> i've completely i mean, let's not forget that sue gray was director general of propriety and ethics, and she's at the heart of government, so she would know more than anybody that what's been going on is wrong and how it looks. and so i think they've got this stonking majority and they don't care. they think they can get away with anything. i think that's what's really happening. >> is it arrogance? >> is it arrogance? >> oh, completely. yeah. >> oh, completely. yeah. >> it's worse than that. it's hubris. it's actual hubris. i think this is deplorable activity. and i agree with peter. peter, th

labour party? well, i think, martin, i think if we can strip some of the political rhetoric away from this, it is politically toxic debate and look at it in, in a kind of a neutral lens. >> these figures aren't bad, actually , whichever way you cut actually, whichever way you cut them, because if you are interested in immigration control, there has been a significant drop in some forms of legal migration, notably the social care sector visas and their dependents, those visas are significantly down, there are significantly down, there are still very high levels , as are still very high levels, as you say, of worker visas. >> that is that is a you know, that's not anywhere near what it used to be. but the general mood is that legal migration, they have got a bit of grip. remember, this is june 23rd to june 24th. so when we're to talking politicians about it, it was under the conservatives that these figures are reflecting themselves, but i think they probably left it a bit late, really, >> because, y

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mp and also a former labour mp and also a former labour mp and also a former labour minister. >> dameirst it's hard saying sorry in politics. tom tugendhat said sorry about something not record. >> is it wrong then to allow, you know, 1.2 million to arrive in two years legally, no question. >> absolutely no question about it. because what we've got to do is we've got to make sure immigration is at a level that the british people and british society and what's your level can integrate? well, look, i'm interested in the levels that we saw between 1990 and 2010. then it was what is that? it was about 100,000, roughly 120. i mean, you know, there isn't an exact number because it's going to depend on what you need tens of thousands, isn't it? but look, that's the ballpark figure we're looking at, right? that's the sort of area you're thinking of that apology would wipe the slate clean for a lot of tory voters, i think. >> well, it has driven voters towards reform, which offer easy solutions like one in, one out. >> chris, you will forgive me. i mean, i apologise, i mean, and i'm completely

the labour cannot claim asylum. the labour party are yet to repeal that right.e people claim asylum? >> it's very i can't clarify that for you because as i've already said, the law surrounding this is so goddamn complex and not streamlined enough. but i think that the laboun enough. but i think that the labour, the labour government are trying to have it both ways. i agree with rebecca that john mcdonnell and diane abbott kicking off should not cause the home secretary. too many sleepless nights, given the majority they've got, but i think they're going to have a narrative problem. is this government going to be serious ? government going to be serious? and if you like, tough on immigration and you know that is going to require some potentially really difficult decisions, not all detention centres will be perfect. bad things will happen in them. and labour mps and others will kick off about that aim to. or are they going to sort of do this, have their cake and eat it bit, which you say yes to asylum and no to economic migrants. >> if you need to be here, you sho

we're still talking about labour- the labour shortage issue.s seems. thank you. in other news.... the garment factories in bangladesh, which supply major western brands such as h&m, zara and carrefour, have reopened after days of shutdown due to the ongoing protests and violence that ousted the sheikh hasina government. bangladesh is the third largest exporter of clothing in the world and the sector is crucial for its economy as it attempts to rebuild. results out this morning from deliveroo could indicate a rebound in consumer spending in the uk. the online delivery platform reported a profit of $1.65 million — which compares to a loss of $105 million a year ago. the share pricejumped about 7% on the news. the company has become a household name in the uk —, it's reinvigorated the takeaway market and did well during the pandemic. let's take a look at the markets. in europe, they have pulled back, struggling to hold positive momentum right now. in asia the picture was mostly down as well. that being said, here in the us, we have seen a mixed st

we sentiment will continue to grow until labour acts.— until labour acts.r acts. we don't i have anyone from the labour party here to respond. thank you for now. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's turn to the us — two big developments for donald trump in the past day. the fbi has released more details on the assassination attempt on the republican presidential nominee. fbi officials said the gunman, thomas crooks, mounted a "sustained and detailed effort" to attack a major gathering before selecting the trump rally in pennsylvania. crooks searched more than 60 times for information about the republican presidential candidate and his then—rival, presidentjoe biden, before registering for the trump rally in earlyjuly. separately, on tuesday, the us department ofjustice issued revised charges against the former president, relating to his alleged attempts to interfere in the 2020 election, after his loss tojoe biden. government lawyers were forced to amend their case because of a landmark supreme court ruling that former presidents have

are the labour party the reason they voted labour concerns of safety that people have not?urse, i answered straight away. >> i answered straight away. >> i answered straight away. >> actual behaviour. that's happened. yes yes. >> and that's and that's why. that's why people voted for them. all of them. >> 20% of the eligible electorate voted for labour. let's be sensible about this. who is acknowledging those people's concerns? vast? >> i mean, labour is acknowledging those people's concerns. the point all the time. the point i'm making. give me one example. >> if everyone's doing it all the time, just give me one example, then, i mean, i genuinely i think it's a, you know , i think it's a daft know, i think it's a daft question. i mean, you know, but you see, this is what this is the issue that i have with so many people who commentate on current affairs. there is such a disconnection, such a refusal to acknowledge that there are people in this country who are terrified about the fact that you've just moved in 100 random men from some random war zone at the end of their ro

so question, lord moylan , daniel, is labour lord moylan, daniel, is labour penalising pensioners withdo you say about this? is it fair to pitch this price cap hike, with well, to present this as an attack on pensioners, in your view ? your view? >> well, the winter fuel allowance withdrawal is an attack on pensioners. and of course, there are some rich pensioners. we all know that, it's not being means tested properly because they're doing it in a way that, depends on applying for pension credit. a lot of pensioners who are entitled to pension credit haven't actually applied for it. some are rushing to do it now. many of them won't have it in time. so they're not really they're going to struggle with means testing this properly, and they could have done it in a different way. they could have said, we'll make it taxable and add it to your pension. then better off pensioners would pay tax on it, but they've chosen to do it this way. and it is going to be a real disaster for quite a lot of pensioners. in terms of the price cap, i never understood myself. the point of a price cap that goe

where's the labour front bench? tonight we're running labour accused of massive corruption and scandal over donations from unions. >> one of those at the centre of it is none other than sue grey's own son. who'd have thought it also mark menzies the euros ? no, also mark menzies the euros? no, i don't wanna believe it or not. five different police forces turned up to that protest, and the disorder is intolerable. >> it is incapable of justification. >> it's clearly racist. >> it's clearly racist. >> right now, starmer has called protesters in northern ireland massive racists. plus some some people have run away . yeah, so people have run away. yeah, so that's the aftermath of a terror attack there. and our new home secretary thinks misogyny should be a terror offence. has she lost the plot? >> part of the role modelling that that i certainly try to do as a mother is to encourage our daughter, who at three she has found her voice . found her voice. >> megan is mercilessly mocked for those comments about her three yea

it was on loads of labour material and labour pamphlets, wasn't it?he used it to get votes, you know, when people see that. then. was there any indication whatsoever that keir starmer was in some way far right ? that keir starmer was in some way far right? no, of that keir starmer was in some way far right ? no, of course way far right? no, of course not. so why is there that mental link between people with the flag of this country and the fact that you must be some kind of frothing racist if you want to put it on a flagpole in your front lawn or at your local pansh front lawn or at your local parish hall. why is that? >> i think because there is a there's a historical link between the union jack and issues of racism that isn't to say that anyone that flies the union jack is racist. i have a union jack is racist. i have a union jack. i'm really proud a of our flag in our country. i think what keir starmer did was try to embrace more patriotism , try to embrace more patriotism, patriotic values, which is the right thing to do. and if we're going to lon

let's welcome again to my panel , former labour to my panel, former labour leader.ader, a minister, a leader there and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. right. bill rammell i'm going to start with you. it's fair to say that, you know, come on. removing a picture of mrs. thatcher. >> seriously, i think there's a lesson out of that. >> which is this. >> which is this. >> it's don't inadvertently pick a fight that you don't need. now, keir had every right, as does every minister and prime minister, to choose which paintings from the government art collection they have in their place of work. that's what he was doing. i think he probably didn't want any prime minister looking down on him whilst he was working. why because, you know, it's about the new era. >> it's about moving forward . >> it's about moving forward. >> it's about moving forward. >> but what could he have not seen himself that he is in the same lineage in a sense, as mrs. thatcher should be honoured. >> well, hold on, let me let me finish, >> whilst i think he's got every right to do, whilst h

it was it was migrant labour.o realise that maybe this sort of business isn't actually good for britain, especially in light of the recent events and the ongoing events that we are seeing right now. and he thinks that economic hardship and a failure of integration might be partly to blame, but i will let him do some talking now, because philip joins me in the studio. thank you very much. could you just explain to our viewers and listeners a little bit about about that? so, so you you were employing let me start from the beginning. >> so i started off in a manufacturing business. i went to university to study engineering. the idea was to join a family company. we manufactured steel wire and i love manufacturing , the trouble love manufacturing, the trouble was we were competing with companies in china with with laboun companies in china with with labour, with cheaper labour, and so effectively we had to sell the company because we couldn't compete. so that was the start. this was the kind of 1989, this was start of

labour government. >> he warned us about labour. now he's done a runner. so where the hell are the tories? his majesty's official opposition and not really going to take lectures on this from the people who dragged our country so far down in the last few years . it's down in the last few years. it's not taking lectures. this man, is he? the pm's done what he spent years complaining about. now the civil service regulator is launching a probe into labour's very own cronyism scandal. also, eight stabbings, 230 arrests and now, tragically, two people dead after being attacked at notting hill carnival. is it time to pull the plug carnival. is it time to pull the plug ? and an online troll is plug? and an online troll is hauled into court for sending lee anderson vile death threats. do we have a problem with the radical far left? >> meanwhile, you insisted that president biden is extraordinarily strong, given where we are now. do you have any regrets about what you told the american people? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> no, not at all. not at all. >> kamala

>> labour, sleaze.chancellor of the exchequer broke the ministerial code with failure to declare a £5,000 donation before an appointment was made, then a peer who gets access to downing street, who of all things, gave the prime minister money so he could have a makeover, a makeover that nobody noticed. well, i don't think anybody knows it. >> have you noticed the body beautiful of sir keir starmer in recent weeks? >> well, i certainly haven't. >> well, i certainly haven't. >> apparently the gentleman here noficed >> apparently the gentleman here noticed he got slightly different spectacles. >> he's made a spectacle of himself. that's certainly true. >> and that's about it. so. >> and that's about it. so. >> but it's fascinating because they accused the tories of doing things. and as soon as they're in office, they find that the muck is hitting them because they are experts in sleaze. >> so perhaps they're all the same. jacob rees—mogg is coming up next. of course. state of the nation. thank you again to

labour politically neutral. labour hired one.tten her name, but we've mentioned it last night . name, but we've mentioned it last night. is it rose something? rose grayson, who's been hired to oversee ethics in whitehall. she was a former labour donor and has now been given this plum job in in the civil service. andrew jenkins, i said in my introduction there, the cronyism puts your former lot to shame. the tories . lot to shame. the tories. >> i've completely i mean, let's not forget that sue gray was director general of propriety and ethics, and she's at the heart of government, so she would know more than anybody that what's been going on is wrong and how it looks. and so i think they've got this stonking majority and they don't care. they think they can get away with anything. i think that's what's really happening. >> is it arrogance? >> is it arrogance? >> oh, completely. yeah. >> oh, completely. yeah. >> it's worse than that. it's hubris. it's actual hubris. i think this is deplorable activity. and i agree with peter. pete

i mean, i've spoken to labour ministers, i've spoken to labour ministers, i've spoken to labour ministersvious ministers in the previous administration, conservative administration, and they all they all agree on that. but as i said in the piece today, it's not simply a question of tackling , of question of tackling, of addressing the far right in law and order terms, although obviously that's very, very important. we have to also address the things that give rise to the far right, give succour to the far right and give oxygen to the far right. and as i said, to use that old sort of tony blair sort of tony blair phrase, we've got to be we've got to be tough on far right extremism and tough on the causes of far right extremism. >> we've heard for a while now from the police. they've been concerned about it for a while, haven't they, do you think laboun haven't they, do you think labour, get it, get the concern about migration on the streets, get the concern about the last government's policy of putting migrants in hotels. that was a flashpoint , and are they willing flashpoint, and are the

i mean, the list goes on and on and on about labour staffers, labour advisers, labour campaigners, labourhave tried to create a big, big fuss about this and, and create a long list. i mean that, you know , lots of lots of outside know, lots of lots of outside experts have been appointed to , experts have been appointed to, to civil service posts in the past, and they will in the future. and that's, that's a good thing, i mean, this is mostly about party activists. >> well, i mean , and as for lord >> well, i mean, and as for lord alli, you know , he's he's a he's alli, you know, he's he's a he's an adviser and friend to the labour leader, >> i mean , he shouldn't have >> i mean, he shouldn't have been given a pass, but i mean, it's not it's no big deal. calm down. john. >> john. there's nothing to see here. nothing to see here. oh! come on. you know , when there's come on. you know, when there's rows over the conservatives, over this sort of thing, you'd have a lot more to say, john. >> no, i wouldn't. >> no, i wouldn't. >> i genuinely wouldn't. >> i genuinely wouldn't. >> i genuinely wou

for labour party staffers. do that is yet to be explained, and why sue gray was able to make such a seamless transition between the supposedly impartial civil service and the highly politicised role she now occupies in number 10 is, i think, still a matter for some pubuc think, still a matter for some public investigation. >> and the pass at number 10 is quite interesting because if you're going in for a particular event, it's very straightforward to get in. your name is on the list. you show some photographic identity to the police on duty , identity to the police on duty, and you get let in a pass isn't essential if you're just doing one event there, but here's a parliamentarian. >> yeah, but parliamentarians don't automatically get passes to number 10. >> i only had a pass to number 10 when i was a minister. >> is this the most pressing issue i mean, this was on the front page of the newspapers this morning. >> yes, because it's sleaze at home. >> is it sleaze? it's not exactly matt hancock giving a multi—mi

labour talks about that.is nervous. labour talks about that. is that what labour said? thatin that.s that what labour said? that in a manifesto? >> i don't know if that's in the labour manifesto. it is not. >> it is. and because they basically, you know, someone in the labour movement views the system as being discriminatory towards people from minority backgrounds. it makes me nervous. i don't think we should be doing that. i think we should be doing that. i think we should be turning up the volume of law and order. we should be making it harder for people to carry knives. we should ensure those people who need mental health support get that support, not making it harder to put them away if they shouldn't be on our streets. well, look, we're going to come on to it. >> but we have been turning up the volume on law and order over the volume on law and order over the last to talk about that. >> i'm looking forward to that discussion. >> yeah, yeah, you've been charging 12 year olds and we'll come on to that as well, >> look, this whole kind of i want to talk about mental health side o

labour government.xtent _ labour government. i think to a certain extent the _ labour government. i think to a certain extent the politics - labour government. i think to a certain extent the politics of. labour government. i think to a | certain extent the politics of this can be challenging for the labour party but they want to make sure that they frame it in a way that this is something that can deliver for the phrase that keir starmer always uses and used again today, talked about a treaty that can deliver for working people, talked about a treaty that can deliverfor working people, and he thinks as long as it is seen in that way as something that creates jobs and growth, that it is something his mps and the wider public can get on board with. when you look at the whole range of issues, illegal migration being another one that they said was discussed today, these are clearly international problems. their sources often are very long way away from the uk, not necessarily even in europe, and there is a

is this labour rather giving in on israel? these decisions can't be driven by demos or even politics. >> in that sense. they are big geopolitical decisions about the future of the middle east. but also britain's place in the world, which is why i would agree with your point about it being policy led and evidence led and not politics led, and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that israel is our ally and is under attack on three fronts and will defend itself . will defend itself. >> yes. and interestingly, one of the un agencies, the unrwa, some of their operatives were actually directly involved in the massacres that took place on the massacres that took place on the seventh and the barbarism that took place on the 7th of october. we learned that the labour party is once again going to have the taxpayer funding that organisation. >> that was one of the first decisions that they took. despite the accepted evidence now by the un of complicity of unrwa employees. but the complicity of this un organisation in terrorism before the

i mean, i've spoken to labour ministers, i've spoken to labour ministers, i've spoken to labour ministersvious ministers in the previous administration, conservative administration, and they all they all agree on that. but as i said in the piece today, it's not simply a question of tackling , of question of tackling, of addressing the far right in law and order terms, although obviously that's very, very important. we have to also address the things that give rise to the far right, give succour to the far right and give oxygen to the far right. and as i said, to use that old sort of tony blair sort of tony blair phrase, we've got to be we've got to be tough on far right extremism and tough on the causes of far right extremism. >> we've heard for a while now from the police. they've been concerned about it for a while, haven't they, do you think laboun haven't they, do you think labour, get it, get the concern about migration on the streets, get the concern about the last government's policy of putting migrants in hotels. that was a flashpoint , and are they willing flashpoint, and are the

in, in labour.the answer i think i'm not convinced yet. >> it's worth pointing out that in torfaen borough council in gwent , where this movement has gwent, where this movement has happened, 29 of 40 of the council seats are labour party. >> the numbers are stacked against david thomas and his friends there at reform uk it's an opportunity and, you know, the polls suggest there's movement from labour type people because they're all former labour councillors towards reform uk. but this is an absolutely the very, very small beginnings here. but everyone starts somewhere and behind the scenes reform uk nationally are preparing for next may's local elections in england. they want to try and bed down councillors. when you get councillors embedded in an area, just like with lib dems, it's like cockroaches. they're very hard to get rid of. >> and also, you know where you're voting like cockroaches. >> i mean like they understood what you meant. >> there will be no hate crime on my show. what what what i th

for labour party staffers.o do that is yet to be explained, and why sue gray was able to make such a seamless transition between the supposedly impartial civil service and the highly politicised role she now occupies in number 10 is, i think, still a matter for some pubuc think, still a matter for some public investigation. >> and the pass at number 10 is quite interesting because if you're going in for a particular event, it's very straightforward to get in. your name is on the list. you show some photographic identity to the police on duty , identity to the police on duty, and you get let in a pass isn't essential if you're just doing one event there, but here's a parliamentarian. >> yeah, but parliamentarians don't automatically get passes to number 10. >> i only had a pass to number 10 when i was a minister. >> is this the most pressing issue i mean, this was on the front page of the newspapers this morning. >> yes, because it's sleaze at home. >> is it sleaze? it's not exactly matt hancock giving a multi—m

this chap in the treasury who's a labour party activist and donor, well , who's a labour party activistshe's who's a labour party activist and donor, well , she's actually and donor, well, she's actually and donor, well, she's actually a former bank of england special, an expert within the bank of england. >> as far as i'm concerned, the more experts we have in the treasury, the better. heaven knows the country's in a bad enough state bank of england has got everything wrong. >> that's slightly different. >> that's slightly different. >> well, i think that's maybe a subject for another debate, but all the more reason for getting people from the bank of england in, you see, the high mindedness of starmer that i'm not against people being appointed politically. >> i'm not against prime ministers using patronage. that's part of the job of a prime minister but starmer was so high minded about it. and why hasn't he given authority to salary, which he could do now? he could do before we finish broadcasting to do these independent inquiries. >> i mean, you know, i'm sure he will, because in al

the labour cannot claim asylum. the labour party are yet to repeal that right.hese people claim asylum? >> it's very i can't clarify that for you because as i've already said, the law surrounding this is so goddamn complex and not streamlined enough. but i think that the laboun enough. but i think that the labour, the labour government are trying to have it both ways. i agree with rebecca that john mcdonnell and diane abbott kicking off should not cause the home secretary. too many sleepless nights, given the majority they've got, but i think they're going to have a narrative problem. is this government going to be serious ? government going to be serious? and if you like, tough on immigration and you know that is going to require some potentially really difficult decisions, not all detention centres will be perfect. bad things will happen in them. and labour mps and others will kick off about that aim to. or are they going to sort of do this, have their cake and eat it bit, which you say yes to asylum and no to economic migrants. >> if you need to be here, you

is getting out of control and labour's is labour's approach. working and, as robert jenrick lays out, ten principles for the future of the conservatives, are they already dead and buried? but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. >> your top story this hour. >> your top story this hour. >> it's understood dozens of people have been killed in israeli airstrikes in gaza and lebanon . lebanon. >> iran backed hezbollah has continued firing rockets in retaliation. it comes as israel's prime minister expressed cautious optimism about a ceasefire deal with hamas, including for the release of hostages. >> the militant group isn't present for the talks, but a senior officials claim there's been no progress in reaching a deal. deal >> meanwhile, president biden claims he's remaining optimistic that an agreement is closer than ever. that an agreement is closer than ever . in other news, there are ever. in oth

me. >> the labour party is not about . >> the labour party is not about.ound margaret thatcher in a minute. and that was that was on the front page of the daily mail yesterday, on a day when there were all sorts of other really important things going on in the world. and that was the headline on i mean, the idea that the written press are somehow biased towards labour. >> well, no, but they did. they did pull boris for doing the decorations of downing street, though. that was a headline media. i'm sorry, but they well, i'd be a bit careful what i say about that. >> but i mean that was bonkers. i mean, really, come on. that was, that was that was not okay. >> final. final word. ryan. mark. >> come on. well, i just feel again like i said earlier, i feel so sorry for the voters. how much coverage was given to ian corfield as well, who donated exactly £20,000. >> well enough that he enough that he stepped down to rachel reeves and then he becomes a director of the treasury. >> how much coverage was given to that? okay. >> right. let's let's move on, shall we s

so can labour really smash the gangs?nelson joins us now to explain what's going on here. now, nigel, this looks like good pr does it not for the labour party, a party that which let's not forget, doesn't exactly have a gleaming track record when it comes to tackling the issue of migration, does it? >> well, and the home office is very keen to get this one out. so they wanted as much publicity as possible. 75 doesn't sound like an awful lot of people, but bearin like an awful lot of people, but bear in mind this was the first week of a crackdown, so that was the haul after the first week, as you've just said, that people will be will businesses will face £45,000 fines for a first offence. it goes up to £60,000 if they do it too often. so it's quite a hefty penalty for the business doing it. the whole intention is this is the starting point for dealing with the gangs, that most of these people are brought over by the gangs. they don't even get minimum wage payments that they have to pay back the gangmasters for bringing th