in fact, on one occasion he injected mr. perry with ketamine, and he saw mr. y freeze up and his blood pressure spike. despite that, he left additional vials of ketamine for defendant iwamasa to deliver to mr. perry. defendant iwamasa had no medical training to speak of. he knew what he was doing was harming mr. perry. he had spoken to another patient in mid-october 2023, and he told that patient that mr. perry was spiraling out of control with his addiction. nonetheless, defendant plasencia continued to offer ketamine to mr. perry. likewise, defendant sonya knew what she was doing was harming mr. perry. she took advantage of mr. perry by selling large amounts of ketamine to mr. perry in october of 2023. she sold approximately 50 vials of ketamine for approximately $11,000 in cash. she worked with a broker, defendant eric fleming and also the live-in assistant, defendant iwamasa to distribute this ketamine. sonya and the broker saw this as an opportunity to profit off of mr. perry. in a text message, the broker wrote, quote, i wouldn't do it if there wasn't a c

. >> mr. perry asked for a pardon to, i'm sorry. >> mr. perry? did he talk to directly? >> he did. >> congressman scott perry, responsible for the oversight of the federal government. >> i think there is a different sheriff in town. i think you will see a lot of subpoenas. >> tonight, congressman adam schiff on the chaos of the maga congress. then, the latest on the election denier accused of orchestrating a campaign of violence against democrats. the dea prosecutor in the case, joining me live. plus, involuntary manslaughter charges for alec baldwin. why the prosecutor thinks, she can prove criminal negligence. and, why there is no reason to skeptical when george santos says, i am not a drag queen, and did not let a dog die. all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. the new republican congress led by speaker mccarthy is vowing to give the white house some serious headaches. so far, the biden team in an unexpected way with barely restrained glee. political reports, in the wake of the news, house republicans are installing some of their mos

. >> now, mr. perry, the sae spokesman a few weeks ago when we learned about the chant, he said this. listen. >> we have every reason to believe that when they're talking about being taught the songs, it was done by somebody who was an older member of the chapter and just a two or three year period there, passed it down and said here's the chant we want to teach you. >> but the school now says it was taught at a leadership conference. suggesting it was widely known there. does the national chapter need to explain further? >> i think they do have to explain further. i think that it's going to take a thorough investigation. not something they can just rush and say that it's been reviewed. but i think it's due to the university. i think they should have that done. i understand that they really need that in order to start the healing process. so they should do a thorough investigation. >> you know because, jason, in recent weeks we've learned more about the history of this chant. a former student at angelo s

mr. perry? did he talk to directly? >> yes, he did. >> mr. perry asked for a pardon to. mr. you talk to him directly? >> yes he did. >> dave jolly, so, that's who's out there during the performance on the floor of the house. i want to ask you about republican words. so here we have and we look at today of new york city with rupert murdoch tongue up to grow up. okay? the fox empire's mostly telling them to grow up. sean hannity is trying to tell them to grow up. and it was on there tonight, arguing it sean hannity, right? listen to what boebert, -- set on the floor of the house about what how much influence donald trump no longer has: >> let stop with the campaign smears and tactics to get people to turn against us. even having my favorite president call us and tell us we need to knock this off. i think that you need to be reversed. the president need to tell kevin mccarthy that, sir, you do not have the votes and it's time to withdraw. >> okay, david, i gotta -- don't copy among those that's not coming, that warning boebert would stand up and say, please tell donald trump to

well, mr. perrys own definition of what's dumb, and you can find it at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> what's dumb is to oversee an economy that has lost that many millions of jobs, to put unemployment numbers over his four years that will stay probably at 9%, to downgrade the credit of this good country, to put fiscal policies in place that were a disaster back in the '0s and try them again in the 2,000s, that's what i consider to be the definition of dumb. >> one person who is anything but the definition of dumb when it comes to mr. perry's candidacy is a lifelong texan. he joins us now. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> in your article this month, "dear yankee, eight things you ought to know before you start writing stories about rick perry," you describe mr. perry as a politician who is a lot cannier and luckier than you might think, someone not to be taken lightly. are you surprised then that he so suddenly made it into front-runner status? >> no, i'm really not for a couple of reasons. on

. >> mr. perry learned all the words,'s learned about the grid and -- >> in all sincerity let's not be tongue and cheek. >> he's not tongue and cheek, stephanie. it's fair not fair to say the conversation hasn't taken place. >> i don't think he really wanted this job. is that not true? he wanted to abandon the department of energy, yet he has shown up and i think the people -- i'm not kidding. the people who work at the department of energy have impressed him on the scope of the responsibility of how much goes on over at the department of energy, not just with respect to nuclear materiel, which is a very important job, but with respect to managing the electrical grid, managing this notion of clean coal, and having an awareness of emissions, co2 emissions that i don't think he had a year ago. do you guys disagree with that? >> fair enough. you're right. stephanie says take him at his worth he wants to have this intellectual conversation -- conversation about climate change. >> and skepticism is welco

mrs. perry's tone took on a sharp edge at more secular campaign events. mocking gop candidate herman cain's 999 tax plan. >> when i hear 999, i want to call 911. >> reporter: and the president. >> someone said it may take 40 years to recover from president obama. i'm like you, if we -- if he's re-elected i don't know that 40 years is going to be enough. >> reporter: although anita perry has been first lady longer than anyone in texas history that public life has apparently not made the scrutiny and strain any easier, seeing her husband run for president. kelly o'donnell, nbc news, washington. >>> here's your first look at other news going on around america today. a violent attack inside a chicago high school was captured on criminal phone. the horrific footage shows one teen struggling to defend herself against two sisters inside a biology class. a teacher tried to intervene but was unable to stop the fight. the 14-year-old victim suffered a concussion and other injuries. her 17 and 18-year-old attackers were suspended from school and arrested. >>> a base

mrs. perry talking about the rigors of campaigning and what she feels is driving the criticism of her husband. >> this has been a rough month. i don't need to tell you we've been brutalized and beaten up and chewed up in the press. we've been brutalized by our opponents and our party so much of that i think they look at him because of his faith. he's the only true conservative. i truly feel like we are here for that purpose. >> mrs. perry saying god called governor perry to this race saying the husband was happy being governor but she encouraged him to run because she felt washington was lacking leadership. one of perry's rivals former godfather ceo continues his surge in the polls his signature economic plan is drawing increased scrutiny. the 999 proposal would reform the current tax code cutting it down to a 9% personal income tax, 9% corporate tax and 9% national sales tax. the plan is getting mixed reviews with "the washington post" offering this critique -- herman cain will sit down with da

mr. perry's assessment as it relates to foreign affairs. we have seen major high dollar targets if you will succumb to the work of our national security community and the united states military and president barack obama. do we have the confidence that governor perry would ascend to the leadership if you do not present yourself in a serious manner and apt to make jokes and if you don't get a profound station and i'm not suggesting you stand before the world on a podium, but if you don't reject the inhead rock that we can understand that you reject it and were appalled and distance yourself from it or you give a profound statement about the lack of credibility of a confederate issued license plate regardless of the history preservation, that can be done in museums and private homes, if you don't distance yourself in the commander confederate organization that said people need to move on. then you are creating an atmosphere when you move into the general election if you are elected by the primary voters that you are not a serious candidate re

since mr. perryecide to stay in the race after new hampshire, he has lost one key south carolina donor and supporter. he objects to mr. perry taking on mitt romney for being a vulture capitalist and to add injury to insult. that donor is not just leaving rick perry's team. he plans to endorse plom. joining me now is felici felicia seung-mess. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> rick perry, as i tried to explain is already not polling terribly well in south carolina. he's really borderline for making it into the cnn debate. how important is the loss of this south carolina donor for mr. perry at this point? >> it's a pretty significant loss, rachel. it could be a significant turning point for the campaign. he's pretty much having the air waves open to himself. in that span of time, $2 million has been spent on his behalf. he's seen polling numbers go down back to 5% now since november. so there's not much further down you can go. yet today we saw this supporter as well a

yes, mr. perryery thought of having to walk on stage amongst friends and talk about his policies. seriously. and so, his campaign team has let it be known that mr. perry is not going to appear in every debate from now on. he just can't take it anymore. but before you jump in and berate him for being a scaredy-cat, a weak heart, and a wuss, just ask yourself how you'd feel if you'd performed like this. >> against the second amendment, before he was for -- galileo got outvoted for a spell. was it before he was before? if you're saying i can be bought for $5,000, i'm offended. before he was against versus -- roe versus wade. >> the last time i saw anyone as punch-drunk as perry on stage was in may, 1987, when pinklin thomas challenged mike tyson for the heavyweight champion of the world and landed flat on his back. i think we all understand why rick perry is now running scared. thank you very much for watching. dylan is back, he's here, and he's ready to take us forward. dylan, it's yours. >> i was jus

perry and the president are a dead heat on independents. mr. obama runs a little better against perry than romney. i's not that big of a margin. >> what are we talking about here? are you surprised his entry brought such a large surge? >> there was a void in the gop field that he's filling. when mitch daniels decided not to run, there was clearly an appetite for someone not in the race. mr. perry is filling that. he's able to appeal to fiscal conservatives given his record in texas and ability to create jobs. he's conservative on social issues. he has the ability to meld those two wings of the party. >> the president's approval ratings have been dismal as of late. how did he fare in your poll this time? >> the favorable, unfavorable rating is 47-47. it's not that good. it's not awful but it's not good. it's down from the past. >> peter brown, thanks for your time. you can see the republican front-runners square off one week from today right here on msnbc. >>> we have an amazing story out of the flood zone in vermont. imagine being this couple. l

mr. perry's campaign has money, they have not been giving up. the perry campaign appears to be sir p pursuing a strategy of doing paid media and lots of it. paying for tv ads to blanket the airwaves in iowa leading up to the iowa caucuses. do some good ads, do some bad ads. hi "brokeback mountain" jacket. do ads, ads, ads all the time. keep yourself in a controlled, scripted environment where you, rick perry, control the message. if the perry campaign could only do that then maybe they would have had a comeback. but they also have their candidate out there not just doing ads, but talking to humans. live. they have him in settings where he is not just reading off a cue cards and that sort of thing has turned out to be a disaster. when he's not reading off a cue card, gov -- >> oops. >> oops, yeah. rick perry has had an unending string of oops, unending string of weird, wrong and strange moments on camera in public where he appears totally confused. it started at the beginning of his campaign as soon as he started talking in public and continued to

mr. perry went off and pulled out his gun and shot him.a strange state of affairs where everybody and anybody can access this type of weapon and walk around with them in broad daylight down the street. we have to figure out something in texas that makes sense because the state of gun safety in texas is that there is none. everyone that goes down to the street to a walmart or movie theater or church should be very afraid because the republicans in this state have made it so easy for anybody to do exactly what mr. perry did on that day. >> really gutierrez, a very sobering conversation for these times in this regard. thank you. >>> the first women joins me the next hour to talk about next steps after a failed vote to unionize in alabama. i was sad. colton: i was diagnosed with rhabdomyosarcoma. brett: once we got the first initial hit, it was just straight tears, sickness in your stomach, just don't want to get up out of bed. joe: there's always that saying, well, you've got to look on the bright side of things. tell me what the bright side

there has been a huge outpouring of support and prayers for mr. perry. lot of his comments on the website are coming from people wishing him well and hoping things will get back up and running soon. >> you mentioned that oprah winfrey, one of those people, incredibly close to tyler perry and tweeted out a message to tyler perry and try to pull it up while we're talking. the facility is massive, 200,000 square feet, multiple acres, post production facility, back lot, a chapel, a gym, and a pond and just how much of this area was damaged? do we know? we keep saying this shot of this i think is he will building. is that where it was mostly contained? >> right now what we understand is that it is contained to a single facade and there was a partial collapse of that back lot facade. from what we understand a lot of those back lots and those buildings are empty, but as you can imagine, a lot of that stuff is it flammable if you can imagine the proximity and the buildings being so close to each other and things could have gotten out of hand really fast, but for

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that was rick perry back in september, and then mr. perry went away. after mr. perry, mr.hen herman cain went away. then from mr. gingrich, and he went away and came back and went away. so though it is exciting in the moment, a rival candidate to surge and pose a challenge to mr. romney, it's not the most novel story in the world. if in all the breathless rick santorum coverage today you feel like you have seen this movie before, it is because you have seen this movie before. and it might end up being a big deal, but it might not. if chart really does imitate life, here's what i think is a more important thing to keep an eye on. and it's not getting nearly as much attention. we don't vote nationally. we vote state by state, right? it's too bad, but the presidential preferences of republican voters in a state like utah really don't matter all that much. their primary's at the end of june. it comes pretty much too late in the process to likely have any impact on who the republicans pick for their nominees. but utah republicans' preferences are reflected as much in these nati

mr. perry requested mr. clark be elevated within the department. meadows on the 6th, quote, mark, just checking in as time continues to count down. 11 days to january 6th and 25 days to inauguration. we've got to get going. representative perry followed up and says, quote, mark, you should call jeff. >> the rest of that is, i just got off the phone. the other guy won't work with the fbi. this was one of the architects of the coup plot, not just bringing the insurrection and militia groups to washington to stop the physical certification, but the thing they wanted to carry out fraudulently within the executive branch of government, which trump said to rosen, just declare it corrupt and my guys will do the rest. my guys was mr. perry. >> that's right. if you're trying to understand what trump knew, what trump did and what he was coordinating, perry is a key player in that. allegedly, he is the person that introduced clark to trump. not only did you have all this back and forth with meadows, trump's chief of staff, but some direct interaction with pres

so mr. perry, watch out. this is going to be evidence of your consciousness over guilt. it will also reveal what was your participation. he was a part of connecting mr. trump to mr. eastman. in attempt to come up with this bogus plan, that was illegal and would have been criminal if mike pence had gone forward with it. or at least illegal and unconstitutional. so mr. perry and others, it will be interesting to see who else saw pardons. seeking a pardon means you recognize you did something wrong. >> plain and simple. we will let that be the exclamation point with her competitions today. madeleine, dina thank you. our panelist next, i'm gonna ask about this breaking news on the gun safety framework in congress. but, also if you haven't read it yet, you may have thought about it. this new york times article on whether the president should run again in 2024. the hard questions democrats are asking, when we return. we return smokin', yolkin', flippin', dippin'. if you're not oozing, then you're losing. tater totting, cold or hotting. mealin', feelin', pie-ing, trying. color y

then mr. perry went away. after mr. perry, mr.weathered the exact same storm from herman cain, and herman cain went away. then after herman cain, mr. romney weathered the exact same storm from newt gingrich and mr. gingrich went away and mr. gingrich came back and went away again. though it's exciting in the moment, a rival republican candidate coming from no where to surge it's not the most novel story in the world. yes, mr. santorum has come from nowhere to meet or exceed mr. if in all the breathless rick santorum coverage today you feel like you have seen this movie before, it is because you have seen this movie before. and it might end up being a big deal, but it might not. this is what's going on in the republican rate for president. the more happens in the race, the more voting, the more campaigning this year, the more voters have decided nationally that they cannot stand mitt romney. if there's polling in politics that might be worth blanket coverage from the beltway media, i would think that this would be it. chart imitate

she bent over and one of her breasts had been exposed at the same time that mr. perryd in. >> in rebuttal, health inspector said that is not what happened. >> when i opened it she was barely trying to get her jacket on and both of her breasts were hanging out. we write our statement and notes at the time of inspections and we stick to what we saw and we state to the facts. >> she had been massaging this individual. >> the attorney insists that the inspector did not see what he says he saw. a claim that moved some in the gallery to laughter. >> there was a malfunction. she had been massaging this individual and one of her breasts, not the nipple, had been exposed. >> i think it is a big game for them and they are good at it. >> certainly massage parlors are entitled to vigorous defense against accusations of wrongdoing but sometimes the best defense is to remain silent. >> i have been working in that area for a little over a year now. >> a prime example occurs when a and y counsel proceeds cross-examination. >> it is suspicious, activity. >> allegations. yes. >> nothing

. >> 60% of republican voters say they are christian and today mrs. perry wiped tears recalling her grandfather who had been a deacon and used biblical references to declare that god revealed to her that her husband should run for president. >> he felt like he needed to see the burning bush. i said look, let me tell you something, you may not have seen that burning bush but there are people who have seen it for you. >>> i think the debates have been unfair. i think he has been the recipient of arrows. >> mrs. perry's tone took on a sharp edge later today at more secular campaign events. >> when i hear 9-9-9, i want to call 911. >> someone said it may take 40 years to recover from president obama. if he is re-elected, i don't know that 40 years will be enough. >> so hearing anita perry unfiltered gave us a win do into what he was thinking. rick perry was asked about her comments and he said it is often the family members who feel a lot of this more personally than the candidates do. she said she understood this this would be tough and more intense than she e

parnas says, that mr. perry phoned mr. giuliani, contacted mr. giuliani, and said that he had been in touch with the ukrainian president, that he had conveyed the message, and that, in fact, the ukrainian government had agreed to make that announcement. now, secretary of energy rick perry has denied playing any role in this scheme, but he did crash out of the trump cabinet just as this scandal started to come to the surface. it was october 16th when "the wall street journal" reported that, in fact, secretary perry did call rudy giuliani to talk about ukraine. he did so at the direction of president trump. the following day, october 17th, rick perry tendered his resignation to the president as energy secretary. the day after that, october 18th, secretary perry announced that he would not comply with a subpoena in the impeachment investigation. whether he would comply now with a subpoena to testify to the senate trial of the president, that remains to be seen. we'll be right back with more. >> i know that there was another conversation that perry c

she bent over and one of her breasts had been exposed at the same time that mr. perryalked in. >> in rebuttal, health inspector said that is not what happened. >> when i opened it she was barely trying to get her jacket on and both of her breasts were hanging out. we write our statement and notes at the time of inspections and we stick to what we saw and we state to the facts. >> she had been massaging this individual. >> the attorney insists that the inspector did not see what he says he saw. a claim that moved some in the gallery to laughter. >> there was a malfunction. she had been massaging this individual and one of her breasts, not the nipple, had been exposed. >> i think it is a big game for them and they are good at it. >> certainly massage parlors are entitled to vigorous defense against accusations of wrongdoing but sometimes the best defense is to remain silent. >> i have been working in that area for a little over a year now. >> a prime example occurs when a and y counsel proceeds cross-examination. >> it is suspicious, activity. >> allegations. yes. >> not

vice chair liz cheney, do yo know what mr. perry was talkin to him about hutchinson, election issues. cheney, anything more specific than that hutchinson, the vic president's role on januar 6th. paul, what's your reaction t this >> it sounds like evidence o potential obstruction of justice. cassidy hutchinson's fingerprints are ver incriminating with regard to donald trump and the final report november 18th, that's when trump knew he lost but for the next two months he lied, he conspired, and he incited a violent insurrection to try to remain president b any means necessary. cassidy hutchinson said that mark meadows told her on november 18th, just a week after the election, that trump knew biden won opec's told the committee that the only thing that matters is winning. jonathan, this is evidence o the former presidents reckless mind state and it goes directl to the conspiracy an obstruction charges that the committee recommended th former president be prosecuted for. >> glenn, speaking of trump' state of mind, a repor describes trum

days for smooth customer, political veteran, rick perry to say something odious, not just odious to me or liberals, but thuggish and odious to anyone, even mr. carl rove. we'll show you what rove said about perry in a minute, but first, here's what perry said at a meet and greet session with voters in cedar rapids, iowa, last night when he was asked about the federal reserve. >> oh, the federal reserve, i'll take a pass on the federal reserve right at the moment to be real honest with you. i know there's a lot of talk and what have you about them. if this guy prints more money, between now and -- i don't know what you'd do to them in iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in texas. i mean, printing more money to play politics at this particular time in american history is almost treasonist in my opinion, because all it's going to be doing, all it's going to be doing. we already tried this. all it's going to be doing is devaluing the dollar in your pocket. >> all right. well, there are a lot of ways to unpack that. the first is that this is a built of ideological signaling in the farthest reaches of the right wing of the republican pa

mr. perry's phone. well, now, in what appears to have been a clerical error, the appeals court briefly posted online a document that describes and quotes from a whole bunch of those communications from perry's phone. and, oh, boy, they sure would seem to confirm that congressman scott perry was right in the middle of donald trump's efforts to overturn the election. to quote politico's headline "court file reveals representative scott perry's vast contacts in a bid to reverse the 2020 election." for example there are the texts perry exchanged would jeffrey clark, the obscure justice department official who perry introduced to trump as someone who could help the effort to overturn the election. trump found mr. clark so helpful, in fact, in late december 2020 trump made it known he was planning to install jeffrey clark as acting attorney general so trump could use the justice department to push his stolen election claims. in these newly revealed communications we learned that scott perry texted jeffrey clar

. >> mr. perry just got in the presidential race and i think that everybody who runs for president, it probably takes them a little bit of time before they start realizing this isn't like running for governor, senator or congress. and you have to be more careful about what you say. i'll cut him some slack. he's only been at it for a few days now. >> president obama doesn't have to get down in the mud with perry, not yet. he can't play mr. nice guy with someone who will say anything to play to his base. perry is playing for keeps, and he's not shy about it. america has got its first taste of how dangerous perry is when he said this about ben bernanke. >> if this guy prints more money between now and the election, i don't know what you all would do to him in iowa, but we'd treat him pretty ugly down in texas. printing more money to play politics at this particular time in american history is almost treasonous in my opinion. >> words like treason, i mean, just roll off perry's lips, he knows that's exa

romney confronting mr. perry on endangering social security. but isn't there a real problem for mr.omney in this case, because he does, as you said, he is floating ideas like changing the eligibility age and reducing benefits and potentially partial privatization, and people opting out? those are all things that go right at the heart of social security, what social security is, how can he be a champion of a program that he wants to attack in that many different ways? >> because the only way you can save the program, rachel, is to fix the funding, without that, you can't have the program continue. when the program first started, he had like 15 or 20 people paying in for every person taking benefits. now, the triangle is inversed, the only way you can continue it is to fix it. of course, it's important to fix if. it's important for us, and our kids and grandkids to have that program on the books. but do it in a way that makes sense fiscally. that's what mitt believes and i think that's what most americans believe. >> congressman mulvaney, you want to jump in there? >> here's what mr.

mr. perry believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the american oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state. in the days after, mr. perry discovered that he would be no such thing. that, in fact, if confirmed by the senate, he will become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost know nothing about it, the united states nuclear arsenal. >>> one notable exception from trump's white house, new jersey governor chris christie, appearing on a radio show, he says his wife is partly to blame. >> he didn't offer me a job that i thought was exciting for me to leave the governorship. now why is that hard to believe? >> and your family. >> and my family. mary pat made it clear she wasn't going to d.c. if i win. the fact is i would really honest with him. i don't want to leave the governorship and leave my family for that. >> they reported last month that christie turn down several white house positions including homeland security and veterans

in the days after, mr. perry discovered he would be no such thing. that in fact if confirmed he would become the steward of a vast national security complex that he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome items on the planet, the united states nuclear arsenal. global perry, you're not going to be the ambassador, but consolation prize, you will be in charge of the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal on earth. are you disappointed? should we be? we'll be right back. >>> we just got something in our show e-mail inbox that we have been waiting for days. producers on our staff have been watching and hoping and refreshing and waiting for this thing to show up. we had started worrying it would not show up in time. moments ago, we got our tickets, yes. i will show them to you next. >>> meet the twirltastics. the twirltastics are a baton twirling group from maryland. they're awesome. they're also regular performers at the minor league baseball games of the aberdeen ironbirds. may i also introduce you to the pride of matawasca marching band from ma

. >> in the fall of 2023 mr. perry fell back into addiction.hese defendants took advantage to profit. >> reporter: the indictment lays out how over the course of just one month in the fall of 2023, prosecutors say the ring of individuals supplied him with dozens of vials of liquid ketamine. charging the start upwards of $60,000. >> he wrote in a text message, quote, i wonder how much this moron will pay. >> reporter: these individuals knew how he struggled with addiction. >> they knew how they were risking great danger to mr. perry but they did it anyways. >> reporter: after his death the medical examiner's office revealed the little -- level of ketamine were so high they were equivalent to the amount used in general anesthesia. the arrests come after high profile celebrities like michael jackson and prince overdosed and died after also being supplied drugs by medical doctors. jackson's doctor conrad murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011 for in properly administering propofol to the singer. >> if you are in the business of se

struggled for years with addiction. >> they knew what they were doing was risking great danger to mr. perry, but they did it anyways. >> reporter: after perry's death, the los angeles county medical examiner's office revealed the level of had a meeting very's body were so high that they were equivalent to the amount used during general on asia during surgery. the arrest after perry's death comes after high-profile celebrities, like michael jackson and prince overdosed and died after also being supplied drugs by medical doctors. jackson's dr., conrad murray, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011, for improperly administering propofol to the singer. >> if you are in the business of selling dangerous drugs, we will hold you accountable for the death that you caused. >> reporter: nbc news, los angeles. >> joyce, what is your reaction to these charges? >> right. i mean, this is a shocking sort of a situation right? that you can go to doctors and that they can be profit motivated, rather than concerned with your care, but the reality is that this sort of a drug trafficking case is an

mr. perry asked for a pardon, too, i'm sorry. >> mr. perry, did he speak to you directly? >> yes, scott perry did ask for a pardon and new reporting sheds new light on why he would have wanted one. his text messages following the 2020 election reveal the integral role he played in trump's plot to overturn joe biden's victory. >>> also tonight, the koch network goes all in for nikki haley. apparently, they see her as a mainstream alternative to trump, but history suggests she's very much a radical right winger in sheep's clothing. >>> but we begin tonight with what has become a new pattern in donald trump's pitiful defenses for his many, many, many, many legal woes. it is no longer enough to attack judges or prosecutors. which as we have all seen and heard, trump clearly has no problem doing. but now, he's shown how small a man he really is by choosing to go on the attack against their spouses. family members, and staff. which has been shown to lead to ongoing harassment and threats by trump's faithful followers. just this year, we have seen trump go on the attack against th

so it sort of got lost in the shuffle, this campaign season, once mr. perry lost so badly, but there was one remarkable moment from rick perry in the campaign that has suddenly become newly relevant in where the campaign's at now. here's how it happened. it was exactly one week before the iowa caucuses. rick perry who had been a staunch antiabortion politician exactly a week before the caucuses, he told a conservative iowa minister in front of his parishioners that he had had a change of heart on the issue of abortion. here's how we reported it at the time. >> another sign, i think, of rick perry banking hard for the evangelical social conservative vote, his announcement at a campaign event in iowa last night sort of striking announcement, that he's changed his mind on abortion. he said seeing mike huckabee's dvd about abortion has caused him to change his stance on the issue. even though rick perry is very, very antiabortion, he's for criminalizing it, he used to believe that the government shouldn't force rape victims or victims of incest to bear the child

will that make a difference to mr. perry?akes a difference to governor pery in that it's good to have a tea party darling like governor jindal of louisiana on your side. it helps to add to him at a time when people are questioning whether rick perry is a latter day donald trump and he can go the distance. when you have a rising star within your own party and within a faction of your party that is driving the energy momentum within your party, it can't help but be a benefit. >> the final question. what do you think of jindal's support. >> for offsets pawlenty's support. neither is surprising. he's a mainstream guy and no doubt he endorses romney. >> we will be posting highlights on our twitter account. as always we invite you to follow the show on facebook at facebook.com/martinbashir. >> the jobs plan will rest and the challenge will be to secure sufficient support from republicans and 14 million americans are waiting desperately for the jobs the president so badly hopes to create. will this see and the americans disapprove o

the next day, mr. perry, being a presidential candidate, of course, went to iowa. ential candidate day two. he's answering a question about social security here. >> let the whole, the whole issue of -- have you read my book, "fed up!"? get a copy of it, read it. it is, because i talk about the entitlement programs in there. >> have you read my book, "fed up!"? governor perry released the book called'"fed up!" november nine months ago. it was noent introduce him on the national political stage. it is one of the hints he might be running for president this year. and if you want to know what the this about entitlement programs there, it will give you an earful or eyeful, whatever. "certain programs massively altered the relationship between americans and their government, violently tossing aside any respect principal approximatelies. by far the best example of this is social security. social security, rick perry, is saying, "fed up!" is not just un-american, but violently un-american, and it's not just social security. that same month governor perry told "newsweek," i

mr. perry's phone. and what appears to have been a clerical error, the appeals court briefly posted on a document that describes and quotes from a whole bunch of those communications from perry 's phone. and, oh boy. they sure would same to confirm congressman scott perry was right in the middle of donald trump's efforts to overturn the election. to quote politicos headline, cork falling feels representative scott perry's vast level of contact and bid to reverse 2020 election. for instance, there are the texts paris exchanged with jeffery clark, the obscure trump justice department official who perry had introduced to trump as someone who could help with the effort to overturn the election. trump found mr. clerks are helpful, in fact, that in late december 2020, trump made it known hit was planned to install jeffrey clark as acting attorney general, so trump could use the justice department to push his stolen election claims. and these newly-revealed communications, we learned scott perry texted jeffery

where are you, mr. perry? i'm waiting. ing me now to help answer that question who did show up is matt glaser, executive director of progress texas, a group that has followed perry's past and jonathan capehart, editorial writer for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. gentlemen, thank you for your time tonight. >> hi, rev. great being here. >> let me start with you, jonathan. three days, no perry. we hear some spinning, if you want to call it that from some of his campaign aides. he didn't come forth. he didn't explain anything. he hasn't really said anything about this. does that speak volumes? >> well, it speaks a little bit, but to be fair to the governor, he did send a statement to the "washington post" saying that the word was -- i believe he said either offensive or insensitive. i think it was offensive. he talked about how, you know, efforts were made to, you know, paint over the word which was painted over a rock. i think the bigger issue though is it's one thing to talk about this through a statement and th