>> charlie: yeah. teams. >> charlie: not one person? wouldn't say one person. >> charlie: it's how they -- it's how they do it. it's the strategies set forth. >> charlie: but, i mean, it's not -- you know, who, for example kobe -- >> you know, believe it or not, in this league, no one can guard anyone one-on-one. >> charlie: especially you or kobe or lebron. >> anybody. >> charlie: the guy with the ball can get past one person. >> absolutely, without a doubt. >> charlie: you grew up in red hook for the first eight, nine years of your life. >> right. >> charlie: what was red hook like? >> it was tough. it was red hook, brooklyn, new york, back in the '80s and the early '90s. just for me to be able to grow up there and have that experience, you know, as a little kid -- you know, i was seeing things i wasn't supposed to see as a youngster and it helped me out to this day. >> charlie: knowing you didn't want to go there? >> knowing the route i didn't want to take. even as a kid, six, seven, eight years old. but you didn't really have no iss

. >> charlie: and you're leaving. >> i am. >> charlie: why? because i think that -- you know, especially as i tell you these tales of us over the past nine years -- i've had an incredible journey, and i think that someone else deserves the chance to have the experiences that i've had. >> charlie: and the person succeeding you is a long-time veteran of the obama team. >> she is an old obama person. she and i became friends when i sat at that desk out there. she was our down-state director in illinois. >> charlie: did he have any hint this was coming when you walked in and said, i'm gonna leave? >> i think so. i mean, when you get ready to leave the white house, you don't go in one day and just say, i'm leaving. >> charlie: you don't do that, do you? >> you don't do that. so i had sort of previewed several months prior that i thought my time was coming. >> charlie: he knew what that meant. >> mm-hmm. >> charlie: did he try to talk you out of it? >> of course. of course. but he knew. he newel yeah. >> sometimes it's just -- i think that he knew t

honor to have you here charlie. >> charlie: thank you. you once said this about golf. it is deceptively simple, endlessly calculated, but child can play it well and a grown man can never master it. it's full of unexpected and perfect shots it is almost a science but yet it is a puzzle without an answer. it is gratifying and tantalizing. precise and unpredictable. it requires complete concentration and total relaxation. it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. it is at the same time rewarding and maddening and it is without doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented. that's well said, sir. >> well, thank you very much. that was a long time ago. >> charlie: when did you fall in love with this game? >> well, charlie, i got to start at the beginning i guess and it's right here about 200 years from where we're sitting. my father started on this golf course at latrobe when he was 1 6 years old. he was digging a ditch and they were building a golf course so i was raised right here. >> charlie: you were raised with golf. >> that

>> yes. >> charlie: yeah. or else making gas cheaper, so effect we put a price on carbon and build renewable energy and nuclear. renewable energy is doing amazingly well, producing more electricity in the world than nuclear power is at the moment. >> charlie: it's producing more. >> yes. >> charlie: but is it yet becoming cost-effective? >> not everywhere. some places yes, where the wind blows strongly, where the sun shines for a very long time, but it's getting cheaper every year. that's the important thing. solar's come down by 50% in price over the last five years and no reason it can't happen again. >> charlie: is it likely there will be nor technological developments to help us harness sun and wind at a cheaper, more productive rate? >> no doubt. every time someone says we're at the end of technology, they're very embarrassed because something happens with human ingenuity to make it better and better and i'm confident we'll do that. >> charlie: fracking and gas and slate have made america face the potenti

>> charlie: yes. >> so much. >> charlie: like what?much in life that i want to do, and even -- even with my work, but even with my work, i don't feel i've gotten to a place where now -- because every time -- as an actor, i really love acting, and every time i start a movie, i feel new. i feel i haven't done it before. how was it? i don't remember. i think they're going to fire me. i am addicted to that feeling and i am not joking. >> charlie: the fearhat "i'm not going to make it this time and they're going to fire me" or the critics won't like it? >> maybe it was right sometimes but i wouldn't remember how to do it anymore because it's a process that is so alive, and it feels new. if you are 95 and making a movie, you feel new, and i love that, and that feeling is very addicting. >> it's an adventure. >> charlie: it is an adventure. yeah. >> she probably -- more than many will throw herself out and take risks -- especially with you because she has confidence in you. >> yes. with me, absolutely. absolutely. because perhaps because also

>> charlie: welcome to our program. tonight we begin with bill bradley, former n nba all star, rhodes scholar, u.s. senator, presidential candidate who has written a new book called "we can all do better." it is about politics, economics, tax reform and american hope. >> can we all do better? the answer is yes. it's not just the politicians but it's us as individuals. can we find that place of self fulfillment within ourselves to honor. and we manage our health well. can we save? can we use over moment to try to become better in terms of learning more about the world we're in, whether that's reading novels or economic treatises. to me, that is what i wanted to try to convey here, that, you know, we can all do better. >> charlie: we continue this evening with eli broad. his book is called "the art of being unreasonable." it chronicles his career from businessman to cultural leader to philanthropist. i don't take no for an answer. i always ask why not when people say you can't do that. it hasn't been done before. i say wh

>> it's a family business. >> charlie: great to have you here. >> cheers, charlie. >> charlie: russell crowe. "the next three days" opens in theatres november 19th. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

the grandson charly. >> yes. >> charlie: spelled charly.rlie: and how he changes you is interesting, his impact on you or bettie. >> yes, absolutely, because children are very frank, and this little boy has a mother who's not always there, with a difficult life, so she's struggling a lot, the daughter. so i suppose the boy must have been alone quite often and is quite mature and he says what he has to say. he's very open. and she has to -- she doesn't know him too well because she didn't see her grandson very often and she has to discover this little boy, this little man, and to have to do what she promised her daughter, finally, to do, to bring him to his grandfather for the holidays. and all of a sudden, they don't know each other, and they have a very private independent masseyn the two of them and it's very complicated. >> charlie: we want to see some of this. let's see the third clip. [ >> i like that scene. i like the little boy. he's the son of the director. >> charlie: that's emmanuelle's son. >> yeah. >> charlie: and does he want t

>> charlie: welcome to the program. sister rosemary is on the "times" 100 list of most influential people. she works hard in africa trying to save lost girls. >> let me tell you the truth. if there is a problem that my life comes to an end, it is god telling me now you don't have much to do, it is finished. but i think god is my protector and he wants me to continue doing what i'm doing and speak on behalf of the voiceless. i will not only speak, i will shout. >> charlie: with no fear. i have no fear. god takes care of me. my protector, my defender is god, and i'm totally convinced truth will set me free and truth will set many people free. >> charlie: we conclude this evening with lynne cheney. her new biography of james madison is called "james madison: a life reconsidered." >> washington is calledÑi the indispensable man. without madison, there would have been no constitution, i think you can make that case, certainly no bill of rights. he was absolutely essential getting the new government under the constitution und

>> charlie: welcome to the program. on this fourth of july, a compilation of conversations with the american historian david mccullough. >> there but for george washington, there is no america. >> that's my feeling. i think he's the greatest president we've ever had. i think he's the greatest american of all because, if it weren't for him, as you just said, there would be, in my view, be no united states of america, and he did it all right, particularly when he became president. he set the example, just as he was setting the example as the general, as the commander-in-chief in the very dark days of the revolution. >> charlie: david mccullough for the hour, next. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following: >> there's a saying around here: you stand behind what you say. around here, we don't make excuses, we make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the place

>> charlie: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with benedict cumberbatch, the star of the new film, the imitation games. >> it was uncompromising. there was no asking to be liked. it's funny and witty in intelligence. then you get embrawled in the mystery of who the man is and the code. and then the de-evolution of the tragedy of his demise. the emotional impact of what injustice he was served and what happened to him in the excruciating reality is only magnified in why didn't i know is this. >> charlie: we conclude with a conversation about the portrait painter lucian freud. we talk with david dawson and john richardson. >> he was just a very great artist who, to my mind, was the great portraitist of his day. he also had this extraordinary feeling, maybe inherited from his grandfather, of perceiving people's personalities. >> charlie: the acting of benedict cumberbatch and painting of lucian freud, when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> rose: additional f

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>> charlie: you talking about the labor party? >> yes. >> charlie: they're not socialists. tony blair is a socialist? >> he was elected as a socialist. he was a conservative, we didn't realize that. [ laughing ] we all thought he was a socialist. i voted for him as a socialist. >> charlie: you thought you were getting a socialist and you got maggie thatcher? >> when i voted for him, i secretly knew he was conservative. and i'm -- if i was an american i'd be a democrat. in as much as i think, i'm from the working class, obviously, and i think you have to cut the cake and have a bit of cake for everybody. but you've got to have some people who are going to make the cake. >> charlie: that's right >> british sociast party, you bring out a recipe and you're dead. >> charlie: what does that make you in today's political spectrum in the united kingdom? >> me, i'm either an extreme right wing socialist or exteam left wing conservative. >> charlie: you don't to have tell me. what are you going going to vote for? >> cameron. >> charlie: you want to vote for cameron, the tory member -

>> charlie: welcome to the program. tonight, mark leibovich, this town, two parties in a funeral plus plenty of valet parking in america's guilded capital. this "new york times" magazine reporter talks about the culture of washington. >> it was intended to be married to a culture. that sounds a little bit pat. i think ultimately people have focused on the takedown elements, right? who really comes off worse: the tidbits. i mean, you know how books are marketed and sort of talkd about these days. i think there is a larger point here which is that washington has become extremely self-satisfied at a time when the rest of the country has been extremely dissatisfied with it. it's also become an extremely wealthy community. >> charlie: we conclude this evening with josh sapan, the president and ceo of a.m.c. networks. think about walking dead, mad men and breaking bad. those are all his programs. >> on the dramatic content side i think it's probably fair to say that the sopranos was maybe the first show that put everybody's h

>> charlie: yes. we're very proud to have contributed. >> charlie: not this year. not this year. you can't guarantee you will be champion forever. >> charlie: didn't you like the ego value of that, having your own team? >> yes, but you have to overcome that. >> charlie: thank you, carlos. great to see you again. >> thank you. >> charlie: norman lear is here, the "new yorker" magazine called him the pugnacious runner long before that existed. he is responsible for sitcoms. received four emmys, a peabody and national endowment of arts. his new book is called "even this i get to experience." pleased to have norman lear back at this table. welcome, sir. >> he is pleased to be here. >> charlie: i hope so. why did it take you so long to write this? >> it only took me 87 years. (laughter) i had nothing else to do. i wanted to write it 20 years before i actually wrote it and made notes and had people save me scripts and going through correspondence. i had a pile of stuff when i finally started five years ago.

>> charlie: : welcome to our program. tonight joe nocera and bethany maclaine lay out the narrative of how we got to the economic crisis we just went through. >> much of what goldman did in getting out and understanding they had a problem and earlier than anybody else and kind of getting out so they were whole i think they did a lot of things they should be ashamed of. >> charlie: well, list them. >> primarily this is a firm who's first core principle is our clients come first. our clients' interest come first. guess what, they took full advantage of their clients to shove lousy securities down their throats and basically did not tell them what they thought of the securities and they did so knowing knowing they're whole goal was to reduce their exposure to risk and lay it off on their own clients. do i think that's wrong morally wrong, yes i do. >> i think it was ethically wrong of wall street to buy up mortgages, package them up and sell them off to investors saying they were doing due diligence saying they were investig

. >> charlie: yes.ach, and she would hold her head like that. i'm juicy like a peach. she was very smitten with you, charlie rose. >> charlie: well, thank you. it's a testimony to her and what she meant as a part of the legend of maya angelou. >> i'm delighted to be her. >> charlie: back in a moment, stay with us. >> in my youth before i was corrupt bid the business of national security, i was a poet. >> charlie: you were a poet? and i loved writing and studying poetry. and she was from my earliest days as a student of poetry one of my very favorites. then as i grew up and had more opportunities and exposure, i got to meet her on a number of occasions, and she had such grace and warmth and dignity, she was extraordinarily affirming of everybody she touched. >> charlie: nasir jones is here, most know him as nas. professor of english at harvard calls him a poit illmatic, his album, introduced people to the streets of new york. it was written, it's a depiction of inner city blight. more than 20 years later

welcome. >> thank you, charlie. >> charlie: where did this begin for you?first let's talk about what denialism is, people ask. everyone knows what denial is. sometimes you are so depressed about something that you can't really face the facts. so you hide, you pretend things aren't true. that happens to everyone. it's normal. may even be healthy for a little while. when society does it, i don't think it ever is healthy. i think there are a number of issues now, particularly in scientific life where we are in denial as a culture. it's very painful. this started for me awhile ago when i wrote something about vaccines about a decade ago. i was just so flabbergasted by the opposition to vaccines, which are after all the most successful public health adventure in the history of the world except for one. >> charlie: one of the more effective tools of public health. >> so, what sit about vaccines that created this backlash? >> the thing that created the backlash was purported link between autism and measles, mumps and rubella. that was understandable. because kids

>> charlie: welcome to our program. tonight from the supreme court in washington, a conversation with justice john paul stevens. >> the judicial work is different from clinical work. and one's approach to a judicial may involve considerations that are entirely different from one's own political views about the matter. so that i really think that conservative judges can be a wide range of political views. >> charlie: justice stevens for the hour, next. captioning sponsored by rose communication from our studios in neyork city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: tonight from the supreme court of the united states, a conversation with justice john paul stevens. he is the trd longest serving justice in the history on the court. during his tenure he's written over 1400 decisio. he's filed more dissents a separate opinions than any of his colleagues. he considers himself a judicial conservative he shaped the court's liberal jurors presence. he retiredfter servi for 35 years. at 91 he continues to follow. he has many interests

welcome, sir. >> thank you, charlie. >> charlie: tell me about it. >> charlie, it is -- to me, it grows of my childhood in kansas where those santa fe trains came through there. the silver streak -- shump, they would never stop at the little town that i lived in but they were -- you and i have talked about this but those trains were the way you were going to go to school, the way you were going to go to war, the way you were going to run away, the way you were going to go find your destiny, you were eventually going to get on one of those trains and was inbred in me as part of my d.n.a., and buses were the same way -- it was just the way. you knew eventually you were going to get on one of those things and go, and that's been with me all this time, and three or four years ago i started thinking a little more about the super chief in particular, the train of the stars, movie stars went there, and they would go from los angeles to chicago, and it was all sleeping cars. fred harvey service. heavy china. heavy silver ware. fresh food. they would stop in newton, kansas to get fresh bread and

>> charlie: eat well. yeah, well -- >> charlie: not as much as. not as much as. >> charlie: this book is about a hollywood you knew. >> yeah. >> charlie: tell me about it. well, you know, i work with a lot of young people, and they always ask me about what it was like, what was the golden era like, and what was it like being in the contract system, all that. so i started to tell them. you know, i tell them that universal had 40 young people under contract and fox had 40 and columbia add 20 and every studio had a young contract players' list, and we were all anxious and eager to get into the movies and, you know, today, that's not possible. you know, that's not -- you know, you're a young actor today, you've got to go out and get an acting coach, get a manager and try to get a part in a picture -- >> charlie: a trainer. yeah. >> charlie: you've got to be engaged by social media. >> yeah, it's very difficult on young people today, you know, to start their career. you know, charlie, i was lucky, you know. i caught it. so that's what i wrote about. it

>> charlie: why?> that's the x factor. >> charlie: but you kept that, that thing about winning in you to this very day. you have it, you feel it about business. >> it's a drive. it's a thing that feels like when i go to bed at night i go to sleep. >> charlie: i never met a winner, and i mean it in that sense of the word, who didn't have a work ethic like you never seen before. i never had somebody come to sitted at my table and say i just have so much talent that naturally i won. they all say i wanted it more, i worked harder for it, i did more, i focused more. >> that's it, you got it. of course i talk to golfers, i talk to my grand sons, two of them about their games. and i tell them to develop a system. now they're young and if ey can devop that system, it's going to be the crutch that they need to be good. and stick with that system, make it work f them, but know what it is and know what you have to do to make it work. >> charlie: telle what a system is. >> it can be anything you do. it can be the

>> charlie: welcome to the program. a conversation tonight about the economy with the former director of the office of management and budget peter orszag. >> the fundamental problem is the economy is growing slowly and also we just went through a traumatic period. i mean total private sector borrowing went from plus-0% of the economy in 2007 to minus 15% of the economy in 2009. it is impossible to go through that kind of trauma and not have emotions that are raw and, you know, heightened emotions. >> charlie: peter orszag for the hour next. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: peter orszag is here. he is as you know the former director of the office of management and budget. earlier this summer it... he became the first member of president obama's cabinet to announce his resignation. he played a key role in the stimulus bill and health care reform. he saw the budget deficit levels grow to its highest level since the second world war. he is a gue

>> charlie: welcome to our program. we begin this evening with a conversationith the great actor john malkovich. >> if you're anyway where lucky, exisitely beautiful endlessly fascinating place filled often th spectacular people. >> that's exactly the way i feel. >> i love to get out and see who they arend where they are and work with them. and i've had incredibly charged life. >> charlie: and with jing ulrich, j.p. morgan's managing director in china. >> i think china will continue to grow around 7 to 9% per annum. of course there are lots of challenges ahead. given the economy set aside you can't continue to grow at 10% per annum. if you look at the fundamental drivers for china's gdp, i think we can hit that growth target. >> charlie: fromcting to china went we coinue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: john mac visms here an oscar nominated author for elect particular performances. he started with th theatre company before making his film

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>> yes. >> charlie: you worked for rothschild. >> for about 25 years. >> charlie: then what happened? what did you see that made you go in a different direction? >> well, at rothschild i had been running originally the restructuring advisory practice on the global base. in 1997 also started a fund to invest in bankrupt companies, between '97 and 2000 had both responsibilities, finally concluded, i and actually my whole team liked the investing better than the advisory. so went to the management of rothschild and said, i don't want to do this any more. i'd like to buy the fund from you and then we'll go out of the business. we won't compete with you for advisory assignments. that's the deal that we worked out. so on april fool's day, 2000, went in to business for myself. >> charlie: then you started when to start buying, looking at the steel business say, there's opportunity here? >> late 2001. we had actually looked at steel before, i haddon the first ltv bankruptcy have a dozen years before -- >> charlie: this is lane tempo -- >> exactly. had been a big conglomerate had sold off the

>> charlie: welcome to the program. tonight hillary clinton talks about her new book called "what happened." she tells us what happened in 2016 in the loss to donald trump. join us. >> you felt their anger and that's a very big difference. >> charlie: but their anger game from pain. >> no. >> charlie: you don't think so? >> look, the average voter for trump in the primary was making $72,000. people were making a lot less suffering more actually ended up largely voting for me if you take both whites and non-white voters. in exit polls people asked who they voted for if they cared about the economy they voted for me but if you cared about immigration and terrorism you voted for trump. it wasn't resentment but grievance and anger. i am not somebody who wants to foment anger. he relishes it. what he said in alabama a few days ago about black athletes it just got hoots and hollers and standing ovation. >> charlie: part one of our conversation with hillary clinton next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by

okay. >> charlie: there you go. >> there you go. >> charlie: ollie plat. >> ollie. >> charlie: did you do with casting. >> i did and i very much wanted oliver. >> charlie: because? is this something he had done, an overall sense of character. >> it's that oliver's work has always made me laugh from a different place than anybody else's work make me laugh i laugh from a profoundly deep place when i see oliver's work. and i wanted someone to play opposite who had sort of comic genius because i can be, you know, i think i can be funny, but i'm not, i don't have that kind of comic skill that he has. and i knew it would be important for the show to have that sort spirit around. so that's one of the great ings about being an executive producer, and because i know so many actors, i can, i certainly am a loud voice. >> charlie: is it simply obvious the fact that there are tons of people there who did not ha an opportunity. >> absolutely. >> charlie: to work. >> absolutely. particularly in this city in man hasn't. >> charlie: you could look across the table and say she has as much skill as i do

>> i don't know. >> charlie: politics is going to happen. >> politic is already happening, charlie.et's be clear here where we are. this is an agency that just makes sense. it's about readable credit cards, it's about readable mortgages, it's about prices that are transparent. this isn't liberalism conservative. the american enterprise institute. >> charlie: aei. >> very well respected, very conservative, has put models, two page mortgage agreements, two page check overgraft agreements on its website. a consumer agency makes sense to get the market working again. so this is a division of etiology. this is about bank lobbyists. these are about people who are paid professionally to stop this agency, their words, to kill the agency so they can protect the revenue for the wall street banks. >> do you think senator dodd and kuiper are serving the interest of the bank lobby. >> we'll see. >> charlie: let me just stay with it in a sense that if you look at it as a part of the overall financial regulation reform, where do you put its significance. >> at the tip of the spear. >> charlie: at

>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight, penelope cruz and pedro almodovar. >> i was fascinated with him as an artist and with him as a person because of what he represented in our country. the first thing i remember1980'g movies i was not old enough to watch, but i was really fascinated by his way of seeing the world, and the time that i saw "tie me up, tie me down" i was 13 and i always tell this story, but it's true, that that was the day when i took a walk by myself after i watched the movie and i decided to look for an agent and try to become an actress so that i could one day meet him and work with him. >> a huge responsibility, but it seems you made a perfect choice to become an actress, because i think she was born to do that job. i saw her in the first movie. i saw a little piece there. i was very impressed by her way of acting. it was incredible how, being so young she had the inner strength, and also something that is very rare. everything sounds authentic, real. i called her agent and tell him i love her

>> charlie: welcome to the program. tonight we look at events in egypt and the prospect for a new election with nabil fahmy, the foreign minister. >> we are a pluralistic society. i want a society that is pluralistic, especially in politics. that's what i want to be. that's sort of the academic explanation of it. simplistic or the more defined, i want a democracy where my children and grandchildren can differ and come out and work together. i don't want a democracy that only reflects my experience. i want to include islammists and i will insist them not to exclude me at the same time. i want to be able to bridge the gap between the rich and the poor and to respond to the challenge and the embarrassment of having 30% literacy in my country after all of these years. >> charlie: the foreign minister of egypt, nabil fahmy, for the hour next. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: nabil fahmy is here. he has been egypt's foreign minister since 2013. he

welcome. >> thank you, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: tell me where we are at this moment as we record this broadcast at 7:28. >> we're not there yet. the 80% that the president mentioned may be a little bit high right now. that's maybe too optimistic but this is the first meeting we've had just democrats because no republicans are voting for bill and we're hoping we get olympia snowe and when we get closer to vote than just give speeches and you focus more and think with the people of your state more and health care policy and how it makes individual people and faces come before you and i think you do a better job of legislating. now that's very optimistic to say, let's see if it works during the amendment process in the finance committee is going to have to be substantial and successful to make the bill substantially better than it is. >> charlie: you're not happy with the bacas recommendations. >> no, i said that and i said it won't vote for it as it is today. other people said that in the meeting. you

the charlie. the founders went to philadelphia in the summer of 87, they didn't go to create an efficient government, it would have horrified them. they wanted a safe government. to which ends? they created a government full of blocking mechanisms, three branches of government, two branches of leglative branch veto, veto overrides, super majority. and yet i can think of nothing that the american people have wanted intensely and protractedly that they did not get. the system works. >> charlie: but is the system today broke. >> people say dysfunconal washington you can't do big things. under barack obama, he passed -- 18% of american economy. it's big and it got don they passed a $160 bill stimulus. >> charlie: when you say nationalization of healthcare people would stip forward and y no they didn't get what they wanted. those that wanted that didn't get that. in fact they ended up with something similar to what richard nixon and mitt romney and lots of other people were in favor of. that's clearly

>> charlie: yes. we would have to think about that. >> charlie: was there pressure on the part of the united states to urge you not to do it, not to give him a place to go when he was in moscow? >> well, vice president biden called me and we had a very friendly conversation. >> charlie: what was your conversation like? >> very nice. >> charlie: he said? he said he'ser are important to put snowden to face the american justice, et cetera. we understand all that, but they should understand, too, that we are a sovereign country and we make our own decisions. we should be clear. perhaps i don't agree. but the problem is not politics, the problem is justice. we examined during two months the request of asylum and we conclude that, yes, he was right. related to what? that there was no guarantee of due process. for this reason, we grant asylum. >> charlie: because you thought they were trying to extradite him to a system that was not due process? >> yes. remember some people from the united states were asking

>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we continue our vacation schedule by looking at some of the people who come to this program in 2009 to talk about their life and their passion and their work. tonight something we call the written word. people who make a living by the words they write. they are author gay talese. >> to be in our trade you have to be curious. the second thing is important because after you finally met the person you think you want to write about, you might not be that interesting. and you have to be willing to spend a lot of time with not very interesting people than to get into what it is that you find worthy of writing about. >> charlie: and author joseph o'neal. >> i think it's because it has a built in drama. it has the drama of the beginning, the middle and the end. and it has a big trajectory. >> charlie: and also acceptance and searching for connections. >> identity. >> charlie: right. >> economic striving, uncertainty, all things that go into the classic ingredients. >> charlie: the wri

whol country concerned. >> charlie: about the inflation. >> yes. >> charlie: and how do you believe you can attack inflation? >> i think we alreadysee some in the future at the moment. the figures inaugust lower than the previous months and also because we have the agriculture harvest this year and also we have international commodity market the prices are going down. that's compared with previous. >> charlie: do you fear a commercial, residential, real estate bubble? >> yes, to some extent. real estate market is different from city to city. see, in the coastline cities the prices growing very fast but in the inland there's slow down a little bit but recently even in the inland area the housing pricing growing very fast. we worry about that so they control the lending through that sector especially to the developer but for ordinary people when they buy their first in housing our bank providing the lending most more than 19% is first time by the housing. >> charlie: it is said by many out side china that it's crucial for china to have the economic growth it does because it ishe bestay to

>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight an encore presentation with our conversation with filmmaker tim burton. we begin with the three orork into context. they are rajendra roy, ron magliozzi and jenny had he. >> speaking about e entrance to the show much this idea you walk through a creature's mouth. it's immediately putting people in the sense that they're walking into another world, some kind of creative, you know, carnival. >> i believe he belongs with a group of pop artists with a generation of pop artists who were inspired by popular culture in the mid 20th century on, newspaper comics, greeting cards. he collected the comics and greeting cards. he studied humor. i originally thought of him as a guy dedicated to or he but he spent as much time studying 450ur78 as he did oror. >> we had no idea this existed until the moment we walked into the room. >> charlie: and? >> and i remember thinking bonanza. this is a revelation. >> charlie: and then the artist himself, tim burton. >> most kids draw. i mean the fascin

>> charlie:. sisi has a longstanding relationship with the saudi intelligence service. >> charlie: to understand history, you look at the relationship. >> right. when sisi took over and king abdullah called him five minutes later, i think that had been prearranged. i don't think he was watching cnn and said, let me call you up. i think it was partially made in saudi arabia. >> charlie: what's going to happen to the king of jordan? >> king of jordan is in a tough place. i was there a few months ago. the refugee situation is staggering. >> charlie: more than a million now? >> it's staggering. and there's, you know, no likelihood these people will go home anytime in the next few years, maybe even longer than that, putting an enormous strain on a country which is already filled with refugees, palestinians. this country has more than half the population of our palestinian refugees or our sons and daughters or grandsons and daughters of palestinian refugees. it's a huge burden on the king. the one thing

>> charlie: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a new play at the public theater called "the library" directed by steven soderbergh and written by scott burns. >> well, i wanted to do this one because it was so tied into conversations that scott and i had had over the years about our primal need for stories. this is how we make sense of everything. i mean, what i said to scott was, think of what most of your life consists of. something happens to you, you tell somebody about it. something happens to them, they tell you about it. that's most of your life. >> charlie: yes. and this was about the danger of putting the story in front of -- or placing the story, giving it a priority that's over the truth in an effort to heal or transcend or whatever. >> charlie: we continue this evening with tilda swinton, her new film is called "only lovers left alive." >> i was very grateful to have known the wonderful michael powell at the end of his life, and i once had a very meaningful moment with him when i had flown ov

>> i say bad things. >> charlie: stop it. >> and many things. >> charlie: bad things? you said bad things to yourself? >> yeah, i say, martin you keep fighting. you are playing good and then you are close to the set and you miss the serve. how can this possible but when i lay down my head and the crowd start to turn for me and i feel everybody -- >> charlie: we all wanted to see it go all the way to five sets. >> it helped me a lot to keep trying. >> charlie: the forehands cross-court. >> my! >> charlie: were adds hard and fast as anything i've seen and i've seen a lot of tennis. is that your best shot? >> yes, i think so. it's my favorite shot and i use it at very important moments. it somtimes works. >> charlie: it sometimes doesn't? but it mostly did. >> i go into the court. >> charlie: what's your assessment of roger's game yesterday? well, roger plays -- he never changes his game and he has the game to beat me but yesterday i played very focussed. i tried to move him to the baseline and trying to play harder than him. the key to roger and nadal is to play unbeliev

>> charlie: you turn down crazy heart. >> yes, yes. >> charlie: not for me.me to you and said -- >> i tried hard really not to engage. i spent a lot of energy doing that. >> charlie: you tried hard not to engage. >> to find things wrong with it to say no because i know what it costs to say yes, what i means. >> charlie: to be away from your family sometimes. >> be away from your family and not able to dohat's right around the corner but you're not aware now. >> chaie: i might missn opportunity. >> and i've got a lot o things i been like doing. playing music. >> charlie: aking pictures, ceramics. >> yes, a bunch of stuff. >> charlie: itom a little late, creativity, the need to express yourself. >> i think so, yes. >> charlie: you're doing well. it's always great to see you. >> thank you. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

>> i don't think so. >> charlie: you don't? >> no. >> charlie: what do you think?i think that a reserve country of the world -- >> charlie: reserve currency. >> you need to have more stability. you see what's happened with the huge fiscal deficit and current-account deficit that the u.s. is running, they are jeopardizing the possibility of having the dollar as a reserve currency of the world. >> charlie: i have had, as you know, a lot of people like yourself come to sit at this table and talk about how they see the world. most of them say the thing i worry the most about is the united states getting its financial house in order and dealing with its both fiscal and current-accounts deficit. >> i agree with that. >> charlie:li quan yu from singapore. >> you cannot live beyond your means and the current account deficit and fiscal deficit will have to be reduced. the sooner the better. >> charlie: your family was involved in politics? >> my father was involved in politics. >> charlie: he was ambassador? >> he was ambassador to the united nations and to the european com