robertson's vision is flawed, according to luke. as i said last night, this controversy is helping anti-christian forces in the u.s.a. the secular progressive movement seizes upon stuff like this to portray christians as cruel fanatics. people only interested in imposing their point of view on the nation. i don't know mr. robertson, but i believe he is acting according to his conscience. but, in the process, is he actually hurting his own cause. having written a book about jesus, i know this much: he was adamantly against bad behavior that injures other people e would not condemn another woman in his presence who was adult truss. time and time again the nazarene persuaded folks that his way of living was worthy because it was so compassionate. homosexual americans should not be demonized just like devout christians should not be demonized and people have strong beliefs should understand the big picture. portraying gay americans as sinners gives license to harm them. it's insulting and demeaning. jesus would persuade not condemn. the

all robertson did was state his religious belief. he didn't say i'm going to go out and cut off somebody's head. that's why this trend of bullying, about how words hurt, is so dangerous. because it's actually going to limit debate and the only way you can find truth, and sides can come and meet, is through debate. >> okay, let me try to do one thing, correct a little bit of this religious views, the bible. a lot of what he said was not biblical. bestiality was not biblical. the comparison between female parts and male parts was not biblical. for people who have contacted me and others here saying we have lost track of our bible and what the bible says. a lot of what he said was in the bible, a lot was not. don't hang it all on the bible. >> let's also not -- let's not put too much on phil. i mean, the guy's -- he's not a priest. he's not a pastor. he's a duck dynasty guy. >> reality show. >> yeah, it's a reality show. >> -- on a regular basis. >> here's the -- look, okay, so he maybe took things a little too far. his general i guess

robertson is sticking to his guns. robertson vowing he will not give or back off. over the weekend bible study dallas phil speaking out for the first time since making anti-gay comments. harvey levin joins us with the latest. >> hey, greta. >> probably a lawsuit. first we back up to phil robertson's bible study group. what happened? >> well, he, like you said, is he sticking to his guns. he is saying, look, he repeated pretty much line and verse what he said to the gq reporter. he says he believes homosexuality is going to be part of a thing that ruins the country. he said he himself this is interesting sexually sinned solved that issue my getting married to a woman and sticking to it if you can make sense of the comment. he said i am who i am. i'm not going to change anything. and the family is completely behind him. you know, greta, one of the things that occurred to me is, is that they suspended phil robertson but when you think about it a&e has got to know his family feels exactly the way he does. so they are sticking with the family but not with phil none of t

they called for the head of phil robertson on a platter. they didn't want someone able to speak to this. when you are in a fight you go after the biggest guy, tie to knock him out so the others run. glad goes after people with with platforms who will talk about natural marriage or biblical morality and tie to knock them out and silence them to intimidate others. jeremy was talking about glad and their mission. last year they gave one of the highest awards to a guy named dan savage who attacked everybody from the pope to schoolgirls. he traffics in some of the most vile conversations. they are recognizing him with awards. they are not about conversation. they are about demon yiezing and marginalizing people who hold traditional moral views. >> how do we get past it? there was a way for phil to say thisful i believe in the bible. i think the bible objects to homosexuality so i don't believe in that. that's my belief. you don't hear g.l.a.d. coming out and starting fires when people talk like that. the way he put it and though i agree with you

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but this was before the phil robertson controversy.he president saying the duck dynasty family seems like a pretty fun bunch so i can see how that would be pretty fun. that's bad luck, would you agree, karl? >> yeah, it is. look, first of all when you watch the family on television it is entertaining there are some real characters there and can you relate to them and you enjoy it but, on the other hand, isn't that the nature of reality tv show whether it's, you you know, housewives of whatever or the kardashians or duck dynasty, that we see the good in people but we also see people in their bad moments. we see the things we can admire and things we don't like. that's one of the problems with and one of the strengths and one of the weaknesses of reality tv is that we see people as they're. they don't tend to always be good. toe then the always tend to be bad they tend to be mixed. sometimes that relation is very unpleasant. whether it's -- whatever program it is. the housewives. duck dynasty people particularly with that family in the d

i think phil robertson helped them. >> we will hear another point of view on mr. robertson.er, megyn kelly on the parents of that 16-year-old texas rich kid who killed four people. wait until you hear about them. those reports after these messages. michael, tell us why you used priceline express deal to book this fabulous tel. wellou can see if a hotel is pet-friendly before y book it and i got great deal without bidding. and where's yoururry friend? i don't ha a cat. save up to 5 during priceline's holidahotel sale. use promo code"holiday" for amazing savings on express deal hotels. now this sale won't last forever so dash on over to priceline.com. express deals. priceline savings without the bidding. >>> continuing now with the phil robertson series. with us michael mcclan ski marketing consultant. a and e are going to take a lot of heat on the right from christian fundamentalists, people who agree with phil robertson no, doubt about it. did they do the right thing for the corporation? >> i think they absolutely did the right thing. they have two things that are post impor

some politicians jumping to phil robertson's defense. senator ted cruz posting on facebook in a free society anyone is free disagree with him. mainstream media should not believe censoring the views with which they disagree. bobby jindal saying i remember when tv networks believed in the first amendment it is a messed up situation when miley cyrus gets a laugh and phil robertson gets suspended. joining us our political panel in the "the washington post" ed o'keefe, chief political correspondent byron york. byron, first to you and what ken baker says a and e says they have certain values. and tonight, a and e with their certain values is going to reair five episodes of duck dynasty and on sunday, they have a marathon of duck dynasty episodes. so it sounds like their certain values are a little bit quirky? >> i think that does reflect their values for making money. it's no surprise that politicians on the right, especially have jumped into this. not at all. because, if you look at what robertson said, take away the crude parts of what he s

. >>> pat robertson? more like pot robertson. come out as a marijuana advocate for mla. he said in an interview, quote, i believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol. i never used marijuana and i don't intend to, but it is one of the things -- one of the reasons the war on drugs has not worked. he said, quote, it is completely out of control. prisons are over run with people like sherrod. the penaltyies could gee 10 years for possession for a joint of marijuana. >> preach. >> fans are getting stoned welcome the comments. they said "pat robertson has an audience of millions of people like sherrod, and they respect what he has to say. he is not backtracking. he is doubling down." you know who else is doubling down on chilling out and eating snacks ? this little guy. >> sherrod, i go to you first for no special reason. >> because i'm your dealer. >> like many i was surprised to find you and pat robertson have something in common. i think we have a graphic. can we see it? a little diagram and -- >> you know wh

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i think phil robertson helped them. >> we will hear another point of view on mr. robertson.er, megyn kelly on the parents of that 16-year-old texas rich kid who killed four people. wait until you hear about them. those reports after these messages. a subaru... ...are the hands that do good things for the whole community: the environment, seniors, kids, and animals. that's why we created the share the love event. by the end of this year, the total donated by subaru could reach 35 million dollars. you get a great deal on a new baru. 'll donate 250 dollars to a choice of charities that benefit your community. it feels good to be a helping hand. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. >>> continuing now with the phil robertson series. with us michael mcclan ski marketing consultant. a and e are going to take a lot of heat on the right from christian fundamentalists, people who agree wit

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phil robertson not out of the line with the arrogant god haters. radical gays have made hateful anti-gay statements. even if that's true, how does one justify the other? >> a&e has every right as an employer -- it kills me that libertarians and people on the right are saying, employers shouldn't be able to tell their employers wh employees what to say. >> but a lot of people say, look, this network knew who phil robertson was, what his views are. of course he's going to be controversial. that was why he was hired. >> yeah. but the fact he knew he might say this, once he said something that they felt damages the brand, they have every right to pull out of it. >> right. and so -- >> and they didn't fire him. they suspended him, howie, for god sake. and with the money this show makes, you think they're not going to bring him back at some point? listen, this whole talk about the patriarch, like he's abraham, he makes duck whistles, duck calls. >> what about the fact that there is a boycott now of a&e among some people. it looked bad with gay rights gro

tweets on phil robertson getting the boot from "duck dynasty."ght to say what he wants and there is a right to fire him. and another, a and e was correct and it is a corporate decision and has nothing to do with freedom of speech and religion. and another, he can say what he wants lose show, followers and political correctness is fashist. and another, the upcoming season is moot. it will blow over and then a and e will have the another hick show. i can't keep an eye on every local newscast in the country, but have i some help. none other than conan o'brian through some investigative reporting his show found a striking similarity this season among america's local anchors. >> who are you really shopping for this holiday season? it is okay. you can admit if you bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> it is okay. you can admit it if you have bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. you bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. if you have bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. >>

. >>> the fire storm over phil robertson's gay comments continued today. a & e might be fine walking away from phil, but the robertson family made clear they are sticking by him. in a statement, the family said, quote, we are disappointed that phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right. we can not imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. we are in discussions with a & e to see what the future is with "duck dynasty." the gay community has since split in their reaction. here is glad reacting. last night on the kelly file. >> this is not a free speech issue. what this -- the defenders of phil robertson are seeking is freedom from consequence. none of us are entitled to that. if i were to say something to you outlandish, glad would never allow me back on here again. we all have to answer to our employers. >> but openly gay feminist professor camille, who is a liberal, slammed the backlash, saying the legacy of free speech is all but dead. >> this is a level of punitive pc utte

he said he wouis this the end f robertson's hit show?t on to say quote we have had a successful working relationship with a & e's. but as a family, we cannot image the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. we are in discussions with a & e's to see what that means for the future of duck dynasty. both sides of the debate have weighed in. >> if you want to stand with phil robertson you are not standing with freedom of speech you are standing with anti gay comments. they are hurtful meant comments and dangerous comments. >> miley cyrus went on tv and did shocking things, on new year's eve day special. miley cyrus is on tv and phil robertson is off of tv. something wrong when that happens. >> they are asking a&e to bring phil back on. a boycott of the facebook stage has more than 1.3 million likes now. more than 1 million people signed the i stand with phil petition. they have several hours of duck dynasty programming scheduled. >> thank you so much anna. now to look who is talking karl rove is weighing in on the duck dynasty.

you get the robertsons, you get the robertsons. where's the shock when a&e could've googled and their lawyers probably googled what he said in 2010. >> he said it in a "gq" interview, not on the show. one of the things that bothers me here is that this is -- i was watching the old 1975 version of the stepford wives. and this is almost like the stepfordization of society here that if you say the wrong thing, you are going to be destroyed and then basically you have to come out and end up saying the right thing. in this case, it's not baking cookies and doing housework and taking care of the kids. it's basically making sure you say it will right thing about gays and everything else about the liberal agenda. and by the way, you don't have to be famous. like phil robertson. you can be a complete nobody like someone -- like a pr executive. if you say the wrong thing, then watch out, you're going to have a lynch mob coming after you. >> bernard, tolerance, i want to go to the issue of tolerance. you and i have debated this a lot of times

if you don't like what phil robertson, then say what you think. but what phil said was not directed toward an individual. they said like what martin bashir said about sarah palin. that is a big difference. martin bashir was speaking about an individual and that was in fact hate speech because it was targeted toward a person. what phil said was a matter of his opinion based on scripture. which is not really all that off the wall of an opinion. >> mike, before we go and we don't have a lot of time. it strikes me a couple of months ago or a year ago, you were involved in this, the chick-fil-a dust-up. tell us how this is different -- or how it is being treated different, phil robertson versus chick-fil-a. >> there is a similarity and it is this. christian people don't like to be against something but they are willing to be for something. with chick-fil-a and robertson, they are not boycotting as they are standing with someone that they think has taken a stand that reflects their own views and their own values. and that is what is similar and i thinks

now me, cy and the whole robertson clan, we're all multimillionaires and we're famous.t was in america loving god, ask for his blessings, work hard, you say i'm all in. if this thing goes, it goes. if it doesn't, we'll try something else. so i'm just living example in the u.s. it's america, man. suck it up and get after it and go to work, come up with an idea, come up with something. you know, a lot of hard work, long hours and now we're seeing the fruits of our labor and, you know, with this much government assistance. it's an american success story. there are many just like me who do the same thing. >> i've been trying to get people jobs in the energy industry. i partner with the energy companies in north dakota and midland, texas. we have thousands of people jobs now. high paying. if you have a ged, you can start at $75,000 a year. if i was making that when i was working hard, good money. but yet, one political question. i won't get too political. 50 million americans on food stamps. 50 million americans on poverty. the lowest labor participation rate since 1978. tha

phil robertson waded into the conflict. the issue is you can say that homosexual acts aren't a sin, having same sex attraction isn't a sin but the problem is homosexuals believe who they are is their identity. homosexuality is their identity. the church is saying to separate the sin from the sinner and they say, no, my identity is my homosexuality. it's two conversations. >> maybe people didn't like the terms vagina and anus. he was asked a question and gave a list of things he said were sinful. >> he didn't do it in the happiest way. they asked -- first of all, what is gq asking a duck caller about sin. >> they wanted the to set him up. >> he answered, what in your mind is sinful. he said, start with homosexual behavior and morph out from there. >> they were talking about it earlier. i'm sure this conversation, 90% of it didn't get in the article. >> my sister is gay. she got civilly married last year. tough for the family. i told her i disagree with homosexual behavior. listen to what she wrote to me this morning. as much

phil robertson is phil robertson. he's a faith-based wonderful man. he's solid as a rock.an easy going ol'boy. >> since the controversy sparked, there's been quite a groundswell behind the duck dynasty crew. have you seen any difference in either business or people contacting you for being a faithful loyal advertiser on the show? >> strange you should ask, we've been spending hours today with the phone system -- we're just -- we're inundated, we're overloaded with our phone calls, facebook has exploded. all of them support phil. it's amazing. all of them support phil. >> can you give us a sense of what they're saying when they call you. when you pick up the phone and say hello, what's on your mind? what are they saying? >> stuff like kudos to you, we support you, we want to buy your product, where can i find it at? it's just -- it's all positive comments. i was braced for, okay, we may get the negative and the positive naturally. but i'm being honest, i saw one out of thousands and thousands and thousands, that only thing it was, was one negative comment. >> when you first

phil robertson has not been fired.channel. you can understand why. they're laughing all the way to the bank right now. if the robertsons wanted to, they could pack up their duck calles and head home and shave their beards and live life the way they wanted to if this isn't how they wanted to live. it doesn't surprise you too much. however, a&e apparent had a representative with phil robertson during this gq interview. so the robertsons are saying, somebody was there. they could have watched stop saying these things. >> they've known this for years. they were happy to cash the checks from the show. they didn't feel like their consciences were aching employing someone with these reprehensible views. they were happy to get rich with them. >> i am now thinking a&e is getting exactly what they want out of this. we're talking about duck dynasty. >> people are boycotting them, too. >> but believe me, if they decide to say, oh, by the way, we have a mea clpa, it will only increase their audience. >> there are lessons to take fr

patriarch of phil robertson. >> i'm tolerant of people on issue contrary to mine but i'm not tolerant of the intolerance the one. >> many gathered outside of school yesterday, remembering the 17-year-old senior high school student and paid their respects. >> honestly this has been a tragic event for the community. and there are literally thousands of people and we are praying for them. bill: it appears that davis was shot at random. the governmental then killed himself and was likely targeting a librarian. the library and escaped unharmed. martha: it is decision time for those who have yet to sign up for health insurance under obamacare. if you want coverage to start generate first, and roll today is the deadline. but the sticker shock is forcing people to take the cheapest plan available to them, but they could be facing major out-of-pocket costs on the backend with the plan. joining me now is a former economic adviser to president reagan. how are you doing this morning? >> i'm doing well. martha: individuals go

jim crow segregation era happy and singing. >> that's not what phil robertson said.said what he saw. he was relating what he saw because he said he worked in the field with them because he was basically white trash as he described himself he got to know folks. he was recounting his observations. >> his comments were very over the top. >> white supremacist that was seriously over the top. >> that's part of the race baiting culture, isn't it? dyson and maybe someone said sharpton and jackson you have got to keep it going. keep the flames going. not to say there is not intolerance and race. not to say there isn't in every culture. our society is probably more pluralistic and open. maybe the exception of brusmtion or france. and yet when i look at this a&e thing and i talked to folks over the last couple of weeks about it. there really a divide in the country, right? it's obvious. because i think more traditional americans they see a lot of what happens in the culture as offensive to them. they see a lot of what happens on, i don't know, i don't watch any of these shows.

they knew about it a&e new all about robertson. now that a&e is getting heat for what robertson has been saying for years, a&e is running for the hills rather than standing up for the first amendment. a&e is cowering and trying to pull a fast one on all of us. pretending that they just learned about robertson's views and they find his views so appalling him that they are suspending him. that is a fantasy. now here is the truth. "duck dynasty" gets big ratings and a&e likes the big cash that comes with big ratings so they never cared what robertson said as long as he kept high ratings. you know that and, of course, a&e knows that a&e executives must think we are all stupid with their phony reaction now. but in that holiday spirit if you are charitable towards that a&e executive and you well, maybe they have re-thought about robertson's statements and now they have change of heart even to the point where they think good manners trumps the first amendment? well, think again, a&e just did five hours of programming of "duck dynasty" las

. >> and allowing phil robertson back on "duck dynasty." we will look at the decision and the fallout. >> it is over with. >> caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone and the factor begins right now. >>> hi, everyone, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. let's get to the top story over the weekend. "new york times" published an extensive investigation into last year's terrorist attack in benghazi. four americans dead and left two ambassador libya christopher stephens. there is just no chance that this was an al qaeda attack if by divide you mean the organization founded by usama bin laden. this is a group of men inspired by video deliberately attacked the compound. >> well, those claims directly contradict what congress has said about the attack. and joining me now to explain is congressman mike rogers, a republican from michigan and he is chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman, there is not a lot that takes may breath aaway in this town after having been here for 20 years now.

so if he wants everyone to say, phil robertson wants all muslims to convert or die.not what happened. the extremist element that are torturing people and beheading that killed two american journalists, you can either convert or die. we know they prefer to die. they want to die in battle. that's why they're provoking us into this conflict one time again. >> don't you agree with what he said? that these radicals need to have a clear, unambiguous message. if you do this, if you continue, you will die. you would agree with that? >> yes. and i would agree isis is a major problem not just in this country but abroad. and our president has done nothing or just a little bit -- >> say that again? >> i know. the president has done very little to teach the american people, to talk to the american people and to be very vocal and say isis is bad, they're wrong and we are going to go after them. they've beheaded two americans and killing innocent people. >> they said we didn't have a strategy caused joe biden to go out and say we'll chase them to the gates of hell. pretty confusing

wants a dialogue with them and phil robertson.l there be a dialogue when it comes to sitting down with christians and having more tolerance with their points of view? >> phil can say what he wants to. folks at a&e and g.l.a.d. and those who spoke against phil have the right to say the language is offensive. in the g.q. article he talks about how no african-american said jim crow was a bad thing. >> he never said jim crow. >> he said during the jim crow era african-americans were doing well. >> that's not what he said. >> did you read the same interview we read? >> read the quote. don't put words in his mouth. >> he never said jim crow. >> we could sit here all day. >> we can. if you don't want to talk about the facts what's the point of having a discussion? >> i'm trying to talk about the facts. we could sit here all day -- >> you are making up quotes. defending him on a false quote. when did he say jim crow. >> he said it in the gq article. in the text of the article. >> richard, here is the thing. you cannot put words in their m

some people agree with what phil robertson said, some don't agree. thought the language was unnecessarily inflammatory. i didn't think he necessarily needed to be suspended. i think a&e would have been happier had phil robertson said he was sorry. >> no, in fact, the family put on a statement last weekend saying we do not see how we can move forward without the great patriarch. they didn't say great. that's me. but that is a shot across the bow to a&e number one. and then he said in that church last sunday in louisiana i'm not backing down an inch. well, that's defiance. a&e rolled over instantly. >> well, you know, let me circle back to your earlier answer that when you get into these, it's all about money. there is no question there is a lot of money at stake here. merchandise and everything else. i guess a&e deserves credit for creating this show. people say they don't care about the beliefs of christians. but when you hire phil robertson, you probably know he's a controversial guy who is going to say controversial things. a&e could have just put

repeats with robertson as the star. shannon. >> thank you. >>> international students took to the streets in kyer row to protest. teargas was fired into the crowd. they are protesting the over throw of mohamed morsi. they say a verdict should be reviewed because it contributes to a lack of individual freedom. >>> south sudan teeters on the brink of civil war, forcing the president to consider the need for military response. traveling with the president in hawaii, we have the story. >> reporter: 150 u.s. marines are being moved from spain to jabuty should they be needed for another evacuation. they call for more forces to the newest hot spot, sudan. >> i am spending today calling regional leaders and others to host military support and as well as political backing for airports to diffuse the cite is. >> they are vying for control of the region since it gained independence in 2011. >> there was a lot of looting, a lot of gunshots, a lot of dead bodies, and very, very out of control youth. >> reporter: caught in the cross

did they disregard the constitutional rights of robertson? maybe. did they suspend him based on a morals clause in the contract? maybe. but in the end, does it matter when it comes to money and a&e made a spectacular amount of it off the show i suspect a back room deal will resolve the controversy and the right and left using any issue to stay at each other's throats. so where do i come down on the "duck dynasty" controversy? i go back to the real villains in this controversy -- the duck murderers. they set them up, they entice them and they murder them before our very eyes. i am personally offended by the torture, the vile torturing and killing of innocent web-footed beings. these babies shouldn't be reduced to victims for sport when clearly the odds are so against them. ducks have rights. where are the animal cruelty people? where are the ducks' rights activists? even the ducks want to know. and i want the know why people peta doesn't object to duck feathers in pillows and winter coats. i think that we should start our own online petition not to s

you know, as we have seen, there's a huge support for the robertsons.bviously, some people concerned about what he said, but on the other hand, a lot of people who are supporting them and thing it's wrong for a&e to suspend the patriarch of the robertson family. >> who else do you have on fox news sunday some. >> a very interesting discussion about the "duck dynasty" controversy and i really commend that to people. george will, kierstyn powers, charles crowdhammer making a rare appearance, and juan williams. i suspect you'll find something you like and don't like in that conversation. we also speak to joel osteen, the most viewed pastor in america, receives millions of people who watch his show each week, and whenever he writes a book, it's a best-seller. and once again, his message of hope and faith, his up beat mesfrj how you can get out of your own way and make your life better, and part of that, obvio obviously, begins with faith. a very appropriate message for this holiday season. >> fox news sunday, always great. check your local listings for that

by robertson's actions. >> that's a good point, kennedy. in a way it seems to me like robertson is winning this because a&e is hurting their credibility by suspending him while playing, what, 35 hours of the show? >> yeah, maybe it's like you, you know, people know this is the very last they will have of phil. so they will tune n droves. people are so desperate to see the entire family together one last time. in that sense, it's pretty brilliant marketing and, you know, they didn't fire him. that's what everyone has to realize. they but the him on indefinite hiatus. even ho even know what is that means. who knows that is contractual wording or something that sounds really important and urgent that will make, you know, one side happy for a little while. >> i had indefinite hiatus. i went to a doctor. took four weeks. >> put in surgically. >> surgeon call mask. if phil robertson was spouting maybe something -- some kind of pro-socialist agenda, do you think there would have been this kind of outcry? >> no. i think that tolerance really only g

this isn't a first amendment controversy with respect to phil robertson.nment isn't trying to shut him up. it is a speech continroversy an what should be allowed and tolerated and what should not. many people say you speak in a way that's deemed hateful by others you have to be punished. >> he was shut up and punished. a&e said, listen, we have decided to go another direction and you are not a part of it. when you think about the controversy, the marketplace had its effect on this one. he made the comments. "duck dynasty" has been on three, four seasons. a&e has been around ten years. they understand their brand. this type of language, hate speech is not part of the brand. therefore, you are no longer a part of our brand. >> when you are talking about not protecting hate speech, not protecting speech from a, quote, vile bigot -- that was his term -- we are in dangerous territory. isn't it true the free speech protection came around not to protect speech we like, but to protect speech we hate. >> it was born to protect the vile bigots basically. who among u