can you talk about your work on israel-palestine, and who this man is? >> i have to talk about my wife's work who is a longtime solidarity activist and the palestine solidarity movement. she was also subpoenaed. everyone in the anti-war movement really in chicago knows -- if you look back on line and video of the protests here of thousands of people marching when israel a salted gaza two years ago -- assault in gaza two years ago, half of them were thscene at the rallies. the arab network was the first two center funded by the late 1960's and early 1970's. it is the most prominent palestinian activist in the city of chicago. it is no surprise they targeted him. >> and you are organizing, joe isobaker, a run columbia. in a moment we will be joined by ingrid betancourt who was held captive for more than six years. but what about your work around columbia since it seems israel- palestine and colombia were major focuses of the fbi raid? >> i think i should defer that question to jess sundin who has much more experience in colombia solidarity work. jess sundin

now one of the reasons i work on the israel/palestine thing is because even though i think that is not the cause of this extremism at all, i think resolving it would be a huge thing in favor of dealing with this extremism. i think religious interfaith is... i'm a soft power as well as a hard power person on this. >> rose: i see. >> but i think you've got to confront it as it is and not pretend it's a political extremism of a traditional sort. >> rose: and part of that is where you come down agreeing with dick cheney. >> i don't... >> rose: no, but you've said it. you have said yourself in this book cheney would have gone... marchd from country to country to country and part of you understood that. >> yeah. i understood that the... what he was trying to say. >> rose: and agreed with his analysis of the issue. >> well, i agree with this: that his view that was, i think, the world had to be remade as a result of september 11 and i agree that it does have to be. although i think i would do in the a different way where there's a far greater... as i say in the book, a far greater combination

interests in the region i'm speaking specifically with the question of the situation in gaza and the israel palestine conflict recalled just a few months ago all of the editorials the commentary about who lost turkey why is turkey doing this you know turkey's democratization process in the western and in the west interest i think a similar process in a similar debate i mean that fundamentally speaks to the point that i was making with respect to egypt the greater democratization in the middle east will result in a fundamental clash on certain policies that the west has long step that has pursued for a very long time and i think that's that that's really the core of the issue with respect to u.s. policy and i hope it can change i don't think it's a dead end street but i think if you if you just reflect for a moment on recent developments in turkey with respect to its relationship to israel and the situation in gaza this picture becomes quite clear go ahead stephen you want to jump in there sorry go right ahead i think first of all the theme here was supposed to be a slam of democracy not how can we us

began in two thousand and three no one knows that certain intractable problems one could mention israel palestine and so on do go on a long time but it's i would i am frankly skeptical about there are some in the north koreans now and then they play this game but i think everyone can see through it the u.s. defense secretary robert gates famously saying i think more than once that we're not going to buy the same horse twice and very little progress was made or we could argue historically no time now about whether if some people had done something different a different junctures and we had this program in the can as long as one thousand nine hundred four under the bill clinton agreed framework but here we are it's out in the open it's the only thing that they've got i don't think they'll give it up very quickly but i also i don't detect very much enthusiasm oh great let's go for the six party talks china will say that as host they would like it to work but i'm not even sure washington all this quite a hard line regime in south korea particularly after the sinking of the china basically who believe

palestine. >> that's what stood out with this speech. long speech, wide ranging. a progress report. the push on middle east piece. israel and palestine. it's about to be tested severely with question if israel would continue the moratorium on settlement building not looking as though it's likely to do that. the u.s. is hoping that israel would do that and create an atmosphere that's conducive to peace. and he really addressed not only the israelis and the palestines but the other arab leaders saying you've got to invest yourself in peace. you have to lay out a vision on how things could change if finally this thorny foreign policy problem could be resolved. listen. >> if we do, when we come back here next year, we come back to an agreement to have a new member of the united nations, an independent sovereign state of palestine living in peace with israel. >> a lofty goal, but, as you know, this is an issue that's bedeviled many, many administrations past, the president hoping at long last there will be progress here. >> no doubt. you cover the white house. this is known as no drama obama. there is drama inside the west wing. there are r

now that is not to say that the israel-palestine issue is the cause of the extremeism. it's not but resolving it would be immensely beneficial. failure to resolve it leaves that poison there. the fact is that each of them believed that they are deeply misunderstood by the other. and if you manage to get that understanding , then it would have a massive symbolic effect right across the region. it would take away from those people who are extreme the ability to exploit this issue in order to cause problems. >> warner: another and related theme in your book is this idea that after 9/11 as you said everything changed and the world had to be remade. you thought the islamic world had to be remade. this is something that you and president bush shared. iraq fell into that sort of rubric for you. nine years after 9/11 or seven-and-a-half years after the conflict, do you think that world has been reshaped in any significant way that is of benefit to the west and to the national security of the west? >> i think there is an identifyable struggle where those people that are moderniz

some even back -- >> those who long to see an independent palestine, let's also stop trying to tear down israel. >> reporter: in part to pressure israel's most dangerousenemy,

israel and palestine. living side by side in peace and security as part of a comprehensive peace between israel and all of its neighbors. we have traveled a winding road over the last 12 months with few peaks and many valleys. but this month i am pleased that we have pursued direct negotiations between israelis and palestinians in washington, sh sharm el sheikh and jerusalem. i recognize many are pessimistic about this process. the cynics say that israelis and palestinians are too distrustful of each other and too divided internally to forge lasting peace. rejectionists on both sides will try to disrupt the process with bitter words and with bombs and with gunfire. some say that the gaps between the parties are too big. the potential for talks to break down is too great. and that after decades of failure, peace is simply not possible. i hear those voices of skepticism. but i ask you to consider the alternative. if an agreement is not reached, palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes wit

that was the first time i had ever been to israel-palestine.re only there for four or five days and spent the whole time in the hospital with him. it was a very scary time and we were very grateful that he pulled through. in prison, it was one of the most difficult things for shane and i cannot know how tristan was doing. we were so grateful to see he was ok. >> is tristan able to speak? >> yes, but i have not been able to speak with him yet but i hope to soon. >> the president knew about this, the iranian president? >> yes. >> tell me about your friend. joshua and shane live together in oakland. when i first did dating shane, we went to the ngo joshua was teaching for. >> which is where? >> an organ. -- in oregon. joshua is a phenomenal person. i cared about him before, but we became best friends in prison. joshua helped me through prison in some anyways. is aeautiful person. >> how did to help each other? >> became up with a million ways to try to frighten our days and maximize -- became up with a maximizeways to try to mee our days. >> out i

president then stressed that hexpts a pce agreement to be reached between israel and palestine. he said he hopes the talks that began this month will lead to a new member of the u.n., an independensoren atof paste living peacefully with israel. >>> foreign ministers from ten nonnuclear countries have issued a instemt atay they will make efforts to create a world without nuclear weapons. japanese foreign minister maehara and his australian counterpart kevin rudd helped make this meeting a reality. on wednesday evening in new york, ministers from germany, poland, and turkey joined the first nonnuclear state conference. maehara said that he believes the world wants to resolve the issue nle as duio he said the ten nations should coordinate ideas and take practical and responsible steps toward a nuclear-free world. the conference's final statement called for the world to be less threatened by nuclear weapons as it works towards their abolition. the statement says countries with nuclear arms will be asked to report how their reduction programs have progressed. the ten nonnuclear counte

promoting peace and realize that this cannot happen if a partisan provide is taken, that both israel and palestine must work together, that we must support them both, and not take sides, as so often we have in the past. >> i'm going to get back to the non-violent grassroots movement in a second, but the dialogue that we have in this country is in a way as follows, vice president biden goes to israel, while there, there is an announcement of new settlements, he gets upset, the obama administration essentially wags a finger at the israeli government, and you see full page ads in newspapers here saying the united states should not criticize the israeli government. we don't hear the grassroots voices at all, and when the united states says we are looking for alliances in the arab countries, and in the streets you cannot get alliance in countries in which u.s. soldiers are risking their lives unless israel stops building settlements. they are a threat to our soldiers there, and that puts people up in arms here. how can grassroots people become a part of that dialogue? >> the american public has been fe

seen open " black swan -- those who have seen "black swan." >> the first direct talks between israel and palestine have begun for the first time in two years. you can keep up-to-date on all the developers -- developments on our website. just go to bbc.com/news, and you'll get a look at all the issues under discussion. you can also share your comments on that story on our "bbc world news" facebook page. >> hello and welcome. >> see the news unfold. get the top stories from around the globe and click to play video reports. go to bbc.com/news to experience the in-depth, expert reporting of "bbc world news" online. >> funding was made possible by -- the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu, newman's own foundation, the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation, and union bank. >> union bank has put its financial strength to work for a wide range of companies, from small businesses to major corporations. what can we do for you? >> there is one stage that is the met and carnegie hall. >> o, that this too, too solid flesh -- >> it is the kennedy center -- >> check, one, two. >

palestine, israel. as i watch them struggling with their cultural identities and trying to maintain the identities and have the respect as the american citizens they are in this country, it got me to thinking about my family heritage and thinking about how history really does repeat itself. because i know that my people want through these same issues in the famine times when they came. and i thought to myself, why are not more of these stories being told? we need to collect these stories. i am at an age where my parents and their cousins, their siblings, they are getting close end of their life. one of the main ways i collect my information is through oral history i knew time was on the essense. there were stories that would be lost if i didn't collect these stories immediately. and that's what i embarked upon doing. >> i grew up in brooklyn, new york. my experience was landing by birth into an urban town land. my family, my mother is first generation i'm second generation. my grand mother lived in the

ultimately, only through direct and serious negotiation can we help to build a better future for israel and palestine. >> if it's -- if construction is the beginning and in earnest, there may be breathing space, but the question is for how long. >> let's get the view from washington. i am joined by the chief foreign policy reporter for politico. there have been some public statements from washington, plenty of private meaning coming to nothing. >> these pictures are not the ones that washington was hoping to see despite intense negotiations going on through the morning. americans have not been able to get israel to agree to a formula where they would buy -- where they would possibly negotiate a settlement. not continuing in exchange for some kind of land swap. in fact, officials said almost nothing. hillary clinton called netanyahu twice and had ongoing with tony blair, negotiators meeting with palestinians in new york. >> all of the pressure is on the palestinians to swallow the threats of not resuming the talks. >> the formula whereby he will go to the arab league next week, october 4. it seems tha

and i think rightly, but certainly engaging itself aggressively in these peace talks between israel and palestine, at the same time trying to manage the war in afghanistan. the president talks about drawing down from that next year. what about all of that at the same time? >> i think for those of us who believe -- we might want to do a little bit of time on our knees on this. the war in iraq is not over. a lot can go wrong. a lot is already going wrong as those american troop numbers go down. there is rising violence, more suicide bombings, and there is a risk of the resumption of large- scale insurgency, even civil to hope thathave obama is not confronted next year on confronting those -- removing the last impediment to, shall we say, a civil war. and then we have the situation in afghanistan. a president could end up -- the president could end up with two civil wars on the horizon, so i think there are some really choppy waters ahead, and that is even before you get to the tangled mess of the middle east, which, of course, is engaging right now as we speak. tavis: you do not seem hopeful to me.

two states, israel and palestine, living side-by-side, in peace and security. >> we must learn to live together, to live next to one another, and with one another. and it is up to us, with the help of our friends, to conclude the agonizing conflict between our peoples and to afford them a new beginning. >> reporter: but there are lots of potential pitfalls. the issues have defeated all previous attempts to solve them. what to do about jewish settleme settlements. where to draw the border between the two states, israelpalestine palestine. where will the millions of palestinian refugees go? how to divide jerusalem into two capitals. all really complex and sensitive issues.d th and there are plenty of people on both sides here who want this process to fail. palestinian-side groups like hamas. on the israeli side, some of the jewish settlers don't want to see a palestinian state take shape at all. expect more positive statements as the two sides go into their first session today. the challenge for president obama and hillary clinton will be to keep that spirit alive, as the two sides get i

last year, i pledged my best efforts to support the goal of two states, israel and palestine, living security as part of a comprehensive peace between israel and all of its neighbors. we have travelled a winding road over the last 12 months with few peaks and many valleys. but this month, i am pleased that we have pursued direct negotiations between israelis palestinians in washington. sharm al shaykh and jerusalem. now, i recognize many are pessimistic about this process. the cynics say that israelis palestinians are too distrustful of each other and too divided internally to forge lasting peace. rejectionists on both sides will try to disrupt the process with bitter words and with bombs. and with gunfire. some say that the gaps between the parties are too big. the potential for talks to break down is too great, and after decades of failure, peace is simply not possible. i hear those voices of skepticism. but i ask you to consider the alternative. if an agreement is not reached, palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes with their own state. israelis will never k

last year, i pledged my best efforts to support the goal of two states: israel and palestine. living side by side in peace, and security. as part of a comprehensive peace between israel and all of its neighbors. we have traveled a winding road over the last 12 months, with few peaks and many valleys. but this month, i am pleased that we have pursued direct negotiations between israelis and palestinians in washington, sharm el sheikh and jerusalem. now, i recognize many are pessimistic about the process. the cynics say that israelis and palestinians are too distrustful of each other to forge lasting peace. rejectionists on both sides will try and disrupt the process with bitter words and with bombs. and with gunfire. some say that the gaps between the parties are too big, the potential for talks to break down is too great and that, after decades of failure, peace is simply not possible. i hear those voices of skepticism. but i ask you to consider the alternative. if an agreement is not reached palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes with their own state. is

and speaking of peace president obama also tried to sell his vision for the future of israel and palestine i recognize many are pessimistic about this process but with keith feet sitting empty you have to wonder if it was falling on deaf ears many a world leader championed ridding the world of nukes the obama administration defended its hard line taken in spearheading sanctions against iran iran is the only part of the n.p.t. that cannot demonstrate the peace the peaceful intentions of its nuclear program. and those actions have consequences obama didn't mention the solution other countries see but. must destruction through resolve in the middle east as well as been busy each united nations security council resolution this would of course require the us to acknowledge the nuclear weapons israel is believed to have so when obama opines there what unites us as human beings is far greater than what divides us in order to convince the united nations of that the u.s. may need to start truly playing by the emerging rules multilateralism is the international face of democracy lauren lyster r t ne

last year i pledge my efforts to support the goal of two states israel, palestine. living side by side in peace and security. as part of a comprehensive peace between israel and all of its neighbors. we have travelled a winding road all the last 12 months with few peaks and many valleys. this month the employees that we have pursued direct negotiations between israelis and palestinians in washington. i recognize many are pessimistic about this process. this cynics say israelis and palestine are too distrustful of each other into divided to forge a lasting peace. rejectionist on both sides will try to disrupt the process with bitter words. and with. and with gunfire. some say the gap between the parties are too big the potential for talks to break down is too great and after decades of failure peace is not possible. i hear those voices of skepticism but i asked you to consider the alternative is an agreement is not reached palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes with the wrong state. israelis will never know the certainty and security that comes

assembly today, challenging world leaders to support an israel-palestine peace deal and if they do, it could mean the independent state of israel by this time next year and could help developing countries. instead of short term solution, he said the focus is more on diplomacy and investment to help nations prosper. >>> nato confirms a taliban commander has been captured who purportedly helped supply money and weapons. >>> and an egg farm apologies for salmonella that led to a massive egg recall and another takes a fifth amendment. >>> and containing up to 5 million containers of powdered similac, infant formula that may have been contaminated with insect parts. we will have more on the todayshow.com. blockbuster reorganizes and tries to keep its store opens. >>> and a huge gift from facebook founder mark zuckerberg. this huge gift comes from zuckerberg as he's facing huge publicity from a new movie. >> that's right. it's expected to be very critical of him. some are questioning the timing, $100 donated to new york schools. it is very large. he is worth an estimated $2 billion. the gift

secondly, i spend probably as much time as anyone both in israel and in palestine, both sets of peoplesure both leaders want peace. >> reporter: let's talk a little bit about iraq. do you have regrets about iraq? >> you can't not have regrets about the lives lost. you're being inhuman if you didn't regret the death of so many extraordinary brave and committed soldiers, of civilians that have died in iraq or die still now in afghanistan and of course you feel an enormous responsibility for that, not just regret. but in the end, i believed and still do, that if we left saddam there we would have had a different sort of problem, also with consequences and also with many people dying. so, that's the difficulty for me and likewise in afghanistan. i think if we hadn't taken on the taliban and hadn't taken on what had been a training ground for al qaeda, we would be in trouble, and i believe that if you come to an issue like iran today, where again you are faced with the same time of choice. >> reporter: given the focus on afghanistan today, and that being the center, as you describe it, of t

he is meeting with the leaders of jordan, egypt, israel and palestine in washington, d.c. peace summit. world leaders hope for a free palestinian state next to a secure israel within a year. the palestinian president and israeli prime minister will begin face to face talks today at the state department. they have pledged to work towards a solid lasting peace agreement. >> goal is to forge a secure and durable peace between israelis and palestinians. we don't seek a brief interlude between two wars. >> it has been almost two years since israelis and palestinians last sat down for direct peace talks. >>> time is 5:46. you are watching nbc bay area news. >> we will check in with traffic and weather in just a few minutes. be careful if you're driving in traffic. all state said the state is one of the least safe cities to drive in the country. bob redell has more on the title no one is bragging about. good morning, bob. >> reporter: good morning to you. it's not unusual to be driving down market, van nuys, mission in san francisco and come across some sort of collision, like a f

that is, that palestinians should have a right to return only to palestine and not flood israel, whichrter. >> rose: that was a big hangup for yasser arafat, too. >> i think in a showdown they would accept that premise on restraint on palestinian right of return not to israel but to palestine. >> rose: so what do you think we ought to do about iran? >> well5n i think we need to kp pressure on iranÑi"r we need to open up communication with them in every way possible. we need to quit threatening them with attack because if they are moderate-- quote-- in the leadership of iran, say the religious leaders who are equivocal about whether to go nuclear or not, i think the thing that would make them go nuclear is for us to continue to threaten to attack them even with nuclear weapons either ustor israelis and not communicate with them. so i would communicate with them and stop threatening them. >> rose: i know people-- serious responsible people-- who have said to me over theÑi years jimy carter would have been president reelected president if he had saidñr to the iranians "you will release o