if i said there was a pill in you'd get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill. tavis: ken burns joins us from charlotte, north carolina. is that chris rock peace convincing? >> no, it is funny, and he is looking right at me and he has a lot of truth in what he is saying. we give kids pills to do better in school, we take pills to do better in the bedroom, and suddenly we are shocked when her favorite baseball players may be taking a pill to do better at their job. but there is complicated morality as well as the sheer sportsmanship of the steroids era that drew me back to the game that i love to try to figure out to parse it any more complicated way, with more undertow and maybe more compassion than our media culture and its by their response of good, bad, black, white, north, south, red states,

if there was a pill and you get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill. you just would. >> i am joined by filmmaker ken burns. baseball the tenth inning premiers on pbs and the cup was not from water. you will do testing for both of us. >> cheers. >> thank you very much. >> your standards for doing the series have been consistent and the part of america that allows us to see the whole of america. what about baseball in the last 16 years tells us about the country in the last 16 years. >> what doesn't? the deregulation was rampant in the 90s and allowed the steroids to flood and the players to take whatever they wanted with impunity and without worry of punishment. we live in a farm logical culture and we give kids pills to do better in school. part of who we are.

hollywood spielberg couldn't write this. >> were you shaking? were you nervous? excited? what was it knowing you were not away from history? >> i've been doing baseball for 33 years, since 1977. you never think of a perfect game. this is the only perfect game between the giants and as. in 1968, jim catfish hunter threw one for the as. giants nerve had one and this is the first one for the a's in oak land with dallas. at the end, you know he's retired 24 in a row. it's wonderful. something no other sports offered that individual accomplishment like baseball. >> congratulations. that was a great cal. >> thank you. >> congratulations. what's it like to be the spanish voice of oakland as. you've been the giant. what's it like to be the spanish voice? it's a big deal. >> i lived in oakland the past 30 years. i did the as before 1977. 27% of major league payers are hispanic now. when i started it was 2%. i covered 1999, the earthquake, candlestick park, when that happened, october 17th. this is just another memory, nothing like baseball when you have a perfect game and world se

as you can see in spielberg -- there is the whole wanting to understand, and the planning of that. also coming he raised his children by himself after he divorced, and so, he knows the dilemma of being working and having children. which is a great dilemma. >> the film is a grand platform for the actress. is it all about juliet? >> at the end of the screening at cannes, i said to the director, "i hope people do not think it is me." because she is so strong. she is so, you know, needy and all that. and he said, "no, i you -- no, you have to make them believe it is completely new." >> he went on stage to campaign for the jailed iranian director. soon after he was released. >> i knew i had to say something. i thought, you know, if i can do something, that is the right time to do it. at the end of the day, the iranian government made the decision. that should not be forgotten. it can make the difference. at least they heard something. it does something. it is hopeful. >> there is nothing original at all? >> she will move onto other top lawmakers, but this was special. -- filmmakers, but

we all learned this from steven spielberg, who popularized the use of baseball caps. jeff is right. have been a longtime fan of jets for a long time. first, i want to thank him for the opportunity to make this peace. people in my position often talk about giving back, and it is usually worth about the price of the words, and nothing more. in this case, i have known jeff for a long time, and i know the good work that he does, and i really wanted to make the contribution that i could. we talked for a long time about themes for this commercial, and we decided -- kind of mutually, i think -- that the resumption of innocence -- i heard the panelists in both panels talk about this repeatedly -- is really about the highest ground that his office to take in a broadcast television commercial. but beyond that -- i have forgotten her name -- very articulate young lady -- we were talking about post-racial america and how all of us collectively and singularly, the people on television and media, would like to believe that is in fact the case, and yet we all know -- i think everyone in his room a

if there was a pill and you get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill.rns. baseball the tenth inning premiers on pbs and the cup was not from water. you will do testing for both of us. >> cheers. >> thank you very much. >> your standards for doing the series have been consistent and the part of america that allows us to see the whole of america. what about baseball in the last 16 years tells us about the country in the last 16 years. >> what doesn't? the deregulation was rampant in the 90s and allowed the steroids to flood and the players to take whatever they wanted with impunity and without worry of punishment. we live in a farm logical culture and we give kids pills to do better in school. part of who we are. the sociologist said if you want to know the heart and soul of america, study baseball. sometimes that heart and soul is not so pleasant. the good news is despite all this stuff, despite the strike, despite the steroids, this is the greatest game ever invented and the resilience of the game is the real star. despite everything like in every other

hey, there's a pill and you're going to get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill. just would. >> i'm joined by documentary filmmaker ken burns. it premieres tomorrow night on pbs and that cup was not for water. we're going to do some testing for both of us. >> cheers. >> thank you very much. your standards for doing these series have been consistent over the years. it's a part of america that allows us to see the whole of america and microcosm. what about baseball in the last 16 years tells us about the country in the last 16 years? >> what doesn't? i mean, you know, from money -- deregulation -- deregulation which was so rampant in the '90s, allowed the steroids to flood. it allowed the players to do whatever -- to take whatever they wanted with impunity and without any worry of punishment. everything is there. we live in a pharmacological culture. we give our kids pills to do better in school and everything else. this is all part of who we are. the sociologist said if you want to know the heart and soul of america, study baseball. and sometimes that heart and sou

hey, there's a pill and you will get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill. >> he's beingunny but makes a good point. >>hat's a hugely important point. we take pills to do better in the bedroom, to wake up, go to sleep. we give our kids pills to do bett in sool but we are shock-shocked when our greatest players take them. i'm not excusing it. i'm saying we have to understand the way in which all of these things -- baseball, our institutions -- are tied in to the rest of us and we have to have a more nuanced and complicated view and then we can get yond it, understand it. if we demonize roger clemens and barry bonds, we don't do anything to hel ourselves realize that baseball is a mirror of us. when our greatest players are succumbing to this temptation we have to look out. the bull yanke's eye is on us, >> and baseball is a reflection of us. >> the bronx zoo, 9/11 and how it helped bring the country back together. the red s improbable victory. the joy of the game is there but we felt we just could not not deal with this. >> how long? >> two two-hour pieces. >> and you need

hey, there's a pill and you are going to get paid like steven spielberg. would take the pill. >> he's being funny, but makes a point. >> that was right to me. we do pills to do better in the bedroom, to wake up, go to sleep, for our kids to do better in the school room. and then when baseball players do it, we are shocked, shocked. we have to understand how these institution right side tied in to t -- institutions are tied into the rest of demonize, we don't anything to help us. when our players are suck cocom to this, it reflects on us. >> it is about joe torre, 9/11, how it helped bring the country back together. all of the joy of the game is there. but we felt like we could not deal with this. >> two, two-hours on tuesday. >> and you probld neably needed time. >> we did. >> thanks, ken. we will be back after this. words alone aren't enough. our job is to listen and find ways to help workers who lost their jobs to the spill. i'm iris cross. and businesses impactedg the by the spill. we've paid over $400 million in claims and set up a $20 billion independ

this was donated by steven spielberg to the -- i have abraham lincoln.his was donated by steven spielberg to a bill clinton. it is by norman rockwell. you have these guys cleaning the torch. it is a reminder that we constantly have to renew the flames of our democracy. >> when people come in this room, how do you notice them react? >> well, you know, somebody said this is the greatest home court advantage you have in this office. i think people feel a certain reverence for this space, because it symbolizes the presidency and it symbolizes what has been extraordinary record of tough tough decision -- of tough decisions and monumental decisions made in this room. usually people have a bit of a pause before they step in. hopefully my job is to make them feel comfortable, and after that they are usually find. -- fine. >> you have had off the record meetings at the dining room. what is your relationship with history? tell us what you feel about history. >> when you occupied as office, you are constantly -- when you occupied this office, you are constantly rem

hey, there's a pill and you're going to get paid like steven spielberg, you would take the pill.y i'm not paid like steven spielberg, and i haven't taken the pill. you know, i don't want to excuse the steroid stuff. it was quantitatively and qualitatively more than anything we've ever done. but it does reflect as baseball always has from its very beginnings our own larger society, whether it's about immigration or race or the tensions between labor and management. and we lived in the '90s in an unregulated environment. due to congressional -- lack of oversight, lots of steroids flooded the markets where kids were able to take them, not just ball players. in the middle of the 1998 home run chase, steve willstein discovered andro, a steroid in mark mcgwire's open locker. instead of saying, wait a second, we sort of killed the messenger and went on. and when i say we, it was the fans and the media as well as the players and major league baseball. and so we were all sort of culpable in an age when we take pills to go to sleep and sdo better in the bedroom and give pills to our kids t

i mean steve spielberg, the best storytellers is what we do. we are dram a tests. you are always looking for hidden meanings with me, charlie. my meeting,ing you can draw what you want for them. >> rose: i wonder how long it would take them to reflect on a question. >> i feel certain ways about it but i feel like-- i am, you know, i didn't make a documentary. >> rose: you mentioned -- >> i didn't make a documentary but i think i have certain feelings which i can state to you. but they are not necessarily implicit in the film. they're there if you want them to be. if you parallel the 2008 crisis, yeah, the bank screwed up big time. central banks in this country. played a very dirty role in this. and in essence the gekko of the 1980s who was an illegal, inside trader, became the bank's of the 2008s. and that is what is interesting is that gekko's form of business was now legitimate. at one point gekko says greed is now legal. and i think that's what he means is the banks are doing what we used to do on a big scale. he was a little crook. they're huge crooks. >> rose:

this was donated by steven spielberg. it is a norman rockwell, and from a distance it looks like a portrait of the statue of liberty, but if you look more closely, you have three guys up there cleaning the torch. it is a reminder that we have to renew the flames of our democracy. >> when people come in this room, how do you notice them react? >> some people have said this is the greatest home court advantage that you could have. i do think that people feel a certain reverence for the space, because it symbolizes the presidency. it symbolizes what has been the extraordinary record of tough decisions, monumental decisions that have been made in this room. usually, people do have a little bit of a pause before they step been. hopefully i am able to make them deal comfortable. after that there usually fine. >> you snuck in a bunch of historians, i believe in the dining room. what is your relationship with history? >> when you occupy this office, you're constantly reminded that you're just one of the series of people who dedic

this picture was donated to bill clinton from steven spielberg.distance, this looks like a portrait of the statue of liberty but when you look more closely, there are people up there cleaning the torch. this is a reminder that we constantly have to renew the flames of our democracy. >> when people come into this room, how do you notice them react? >> well, someone said that this is the greatest tom court advantage that you could have -- home court advantage that you could have. this symbolizes the presidency and it symbolizes what has been extraordinary record of tough decisions that have been made in this room. usually, people have it little bit of a pause before they stepped in. my job is to make them feel comfortable. after that, they're fine. >> you have had some of the record meetings in the dining room. what is your relationship with history? >> when you occupy this office, you are constantly reminded that you are just one at a series of people who have dedicated their lives to protect in the country and making our democracy function. this i

this picture was donated to bill clinton from steven spielberg.stance, this looks like a portrait of the statue of liberty but when you look more closely, there are people up there cleaning the torch. this is a reminder that we constantly have to renew the flames of our democracy. >> when people come into this room, how do you notice them react? >> well, someone said that this is the greatest tom court advantage that you could have -- home court advantage that you could have. this symbolizes the presidency and it symbolizes what has been extraordinary record of tough decisions that have been made in this room. usually, people have it little bit of a pause before they stepped in. my job is to make them feel comfortable. after that, they're fine. >> you have had some of the record meetings in the dining room. what is your relationship with history? >> when you occupy this office, you are constantly reminded that you are just one at a series of people who have dedicated their lives to protect in the country and making our democracy function. this is