discuss christian marketing i'm joined by you and danding in london he is director of marketing and communications at the un denning marketing consultancy and in columbus we go to philip ross he's a pastor and author and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in any time you want if i can go to you philip first. christianity is a message everyone would agree with that but are there wrong ways to deliver that message and i'm talking more specifically in this program business because christianity as a business is quite proud.

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to discuss christian marketing i'm joined by you in banning in london he is director of marketing and communications at the u.n. planning marketing consultancy and in columbus we go to philip ross he's a pastor and author and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentleman cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in any time you want if i can go to you philip first. christianity is a message everyone would agree with that but are there wrong ways to deliver that message and i'm talking more specifically in this program business because christianity as a business is quite profitable profitable how ethical is that in your mind. peter first of all thanks for hosting this program and allowing us to talk about jesus on this venue i do appreciate it and prayed it would be useful to him. first of all the gospel has always been marketed the word in the bible is published and so the gospel is to be published but there are several difficulties with it you said that christianity is basically a message and that's half true message is part of it but it's also

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doctorate or you could force the backend, intending to be quite a pond on the side of any discussions among christiansthe american judge took the lead in saying we ought to get rid of that. he was promptly silenced by rome, but at the second council he was resurrected. he came to the council and led the american bishops who did take the lead on this. the party said it was the issue of the council. the council triumphantly established that every person had a right to religious freedom, and that was the doctrine of cap what church. it was quite a repudiation of that say 1500 years of coercive tactics. >> i think that's an exciting topic in that. your eyes sort of light up. it reminded us more about that second vatican council and why it was so important. >> well, that was called by john the 23rd. updating of the church. he used that word. he was in favor of change. the success of politics carried on against the intricate opposition by people who couldn't see change. i think god particularly in the roman carrier thought it was just the on imagination, but they were wrong. on a topic like that, change occ

. >> reporter: the leaders discussed concrete ways to help christian community, such as financial support, building more relationships between congregations and increasing public policy advocacy. as part of that, the group specifically called for an end to security restrictions that prevent local people of faith from visiting their holy sites. conference organizers denied criticism from some quarters that supporting palestinian christians makes one anti-israel. >> what we want is to be in pro christian and is also being pro israeli and pro-peace. >> reporter: the group heard from a variety of voices. including jews and muslims. participants all agreed that working for an end to the israeli-palestinian conflicts would be of the biggest help of all. >> bishop gerald kikanas says that ultimately, what we need is a two-state solution where these two peoples can live together in peace, each in their own sovereign states respecting the boundaries and respect iing the rights of those states. but we're not there yet. >> reporter: the leaders said the convention was valuable, but as always the big

let's start as they discuss the republican president candidate's christian counseling clinic that advises troubled gays. >> i don't want to be crass, but i hope that marcus bachman takes all of the rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it into the bedroom with her. i hope he [bleep] her angrily. that's how i would. i thought about it. >> just so i don't get charge with sexism, i sometimes think about [bleep] rick san for rum. >> and these are the intellectuals. i like that shot of mark cuban going like this. and then there was a savage a little later adding his thoughts after mark compared republicans to yasser arafat. >> you republicans are like arafat. >> unfortunately not exactly like them. >> savage apologized later on, writing on his blog, "i want to apologize for fishing all republicans dead. i don't feel that way. my dad is a republican. and it is never a good day when you have to say i wish your dad was dead. and then he was explaining why his constant tirades against palin and bachman aren't at all sexist. >> and when i point out that sarah palin is a braggart and

history of the ku klux klan which used christianity as the basis of their terror is arguably the largest terrorist in our definitions history right by launching this discussion the idea that this was a profile a white christian what you're doing is ideologically time every white christian some sort of this like you would ideologically tie every muslim by point anymore. over one hundred year and these are christian extremists is well over one hundred members of the house of representatives has signed a letter to the attorney general saying enough already with these voter id laws these laws are so far had. apparently disenfranchise some twenty million americans at least ten million americans and yet voter fraud in quotes in george bush's administration did a five year war on voter fraud in fact the federal prosecutors who wouldn't prosecute voter fraud because they couldn't find evidence so. several of them resign or get fired five year war and voter fraud and in any given year he never found more than twenty incidences and never found more than three that could actually be prosecuted because most of them were people who spell their name wrong or had moved in

discussed it and how. how to build a christian business and and i really entered changeable using consumer in soul you know getting more souls and then we did exactly to a consumer has been. that's been very much a part of the church growth movement which was the application of business principles to church growth that started some twenty years ago or more one of the things that the apostle paul talks about in his letter to the corinthians is that the gospel is actually foolishness to the world and so when we begin peeling to the world through marketing we are making the gospel appear foolish and so the more successful that effort is the more foolish the actual gospel. appears in people's eyes and that's an issue that really needs to be dealt with i don't have any idea how to deal with it but there it is you and how do you deal with that i think. is that an issue that you consider. well we talk about markets and the market and the market employees and all of that but really the best marketing. strategy for the church is what is laid down in scripture if we just look at the record of the early church in the

christian religions. such as islamic. you know discuss this guy he yes all we see this with you see this sentiment coming out despite a lot of tolerance and democracy i talk of that's a do you agree with the norwegian prime minister when he says in fact the answer to such violence would be more democracy and openness do you think this is what will well happen. i don't know if it will happen the agree you know it from jack i do agree with him i think stripping our individual liberties our civil rights for the name of security is not the answer i think what their needs to be it's needs to be more an openness more an understanding towards other cultures other religions but. i don't think closing our society as a whole is the answer i think what that does that just creates more suspicion more intolerance more hatred towards people that. we are not like each other. it's it's it's in and human nature it happens in the nature of the animal kingdom as a whole to be trial to have a natural suspicion of you know one group against another. you know

this evening he will discuss his new book, "eisenhower 1956". the christiancience monitor called it one of seven history books worth checking out in 2011. he is the author of a matter of justice, eisenhower and the beginning of the civil rights revolution and the lincoln and the indians. he holds a ph.d. and he currently resides in kansas. please join me in welcoming david nichols to our stage. [applause] [applause] >> thank you. and it is an honor to be here. to be with people who love history. that is always the best audience one can ever have. and cripple. first, we need ted shootdown the nasty rumor that has been going around that my publisher, simon and schuster stirred up all the trouble in the middle east just saw my book. that is not true. not true. this is also a day when the news is telling us that, once again, and author at least to allegedly has been making up stuff. i want you to know that this book excepting some commentary in the conclusion, not a phrase is in it that is not rooted in a document or in compelling circumstantial evidence. eisenho

after that, i discussion with bruce fleming of the christian science monitor on his latest article about the military having a clear purpose and later a discussion and campaign 2012 and the early primary states with the national journal. that is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. on tuesday, the senate armed services committee heard from the commander of the league war in afghanistan. lt. john allen confirmed the president's plan to withdraw troops by next september was not one of the options presented by the current commander, general david petraeus. he was joined as confirmation hearing by vice admiral william mcgraven, a member of the seal team that killed osama bin laden. and general james thurmond. this is about two hours, 25 minutes. >> good morning everybody. mccreary here to consider the three military nominations for command of some of the most >> witnesses this morning on what is truly a joint panel are general james thurmond, u.s. army nominated to be commander united nations command combined forces command that u.s. forces correa, vice admiral william mccraven as navy

real quick the "new york times" headline trumpeting the christian connection to this norwegian loon? >> i think you had an interesting discussion is the same mainstream media that when a muslim, a fanatic goes into an army base, a major, and shoots up the place, yelling alley akbar before he kills, i think 13 people or wounds like 39, whatever the numbers are. they are hesitant to tie that to his religion. >> bill: right. and also in the london bombings. it wasn't muslim extremists, it was homegrown. >> right. i mean, i know it isn't funny because a lot of people are dead. >> bill: it's sad funny. sad funny. >> it's what have you called in the past, bill, it goes beyond bias. it goes to the corruption of the so-called mainstream media. >> bill: no doubt about it. thanks as always. coming up next, captain america sweeping the world with pro u.s.a. heroics. how can that possible? we will tell you what's going on in just a few moments. d do was ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have cess to great specialists, and our p

uniting in ukraine to celebrate the christianization of ancient russia georgians patriotic is on his first official visit to kiev he meets with his russian counterpart to discuss the strained relations between the two states cut off diplomatic ties more than five years ago. the head of the russian orthodox church bought out of the real has a right to the ukrainian capital kiev to take part in the celebrations along with his counterpart from georgia and the head of the russian orthodox church in ukraine . it's been exactly one thousand and twenty three years since this part of the world adopted orthodox christianity now when sharkey real arrived at the solemn liturgy in front of the. monument in kiev the central monument dedicated to the baptism to the adoption of christianity in this part of the world he was greeted by tens of thousands of people who were chanting that. is the real well clearly this shows that the the attitude towards russia and ukraine is still very warm and he is being greeted here with much respect lately kiev has been named as one of the single capitals of the russian orthodox church along with most school and st petersburg it is interesti

discuss gay marriage. he made this remark -- these remarks at the christian centennial institute. this is about 25 minutes. >> i appreciate the chance to introduce a good friend. when you serve as governor, and rick perry and my terms overlapped for seven years. you get to know who the doors are and who the talkers are. -- doers are and who the talkers are. rick perry is a doer. rick and i served with rod blagojevich and howard dean. [laughter] we also shared something in common. it has already been alluded to. when i was running that first time in a close election, i would not have been elected as governor of colorado. as the lieutenant manchin, i am a native of texas, born and mentioned, i am a native of texas, born and raised in texas. three texans were serving as governors of three different states. rick perry it myself and a man by the name of jeb bush. rick and i do have one important difference. i was accepted into the university of texas. he had to go to texas a&m. [laughter] rick perry has built a strong and consistent record as a conservative during his 11 years as gover

this evening he will discuss his new book, "eisenhower 1956: the president's year of crisis- suez and the brink of war." which the "christian science monitor" called one of seven history books worth checking out in 2011. he is the author of the matter of justice, eisenhower and the beginning of the civil rights revolution, and lincoln and indians. he holds a ph.d from william and mary, and he currently resides in kansas. please join me in welcoming david nichols to our state. -- to our stage. [applause] >> thanks, sal. and it is an honor to be here. and to be with people who love history. that's always the best audience one can ever have. i'm grateful for being here. first, we need to shoot down the nasty rumor that's been going around that my publisher simon & schuster stirred up all the trouble in the middle east just to sell my book. that's not true. not true. this is also a day when the news is telling us that once again and author, at least alleging, has been making up stuff. and i want you to know that this book, excepting some commentaries and a conclusion, that in this book not a phrase is in it that is not rooted i

christians, the major five were not. they occupied some middle ground. >> i'll remember mrs. scott's 7th grade history class. her discussion about note number 17. my question is, well, since i moved to god's acre, a quote from deism, isn't it? [laughter] how were the virginian delegation, particularly mr. jefferson able to convince particularly those in the north to accept number 17 as the argument for the first amendment? >> again, that's the next book. [laughter] i think there's -- let me give you a simple answer and i'd be happy to go into it at length. you have a difference of opinion, and most view the first amendment as a compromise and you need a middle ground. i think, no, not a middle ground. i worked in washington as a a lobbyist for 20 years. you need something both groups get. somebody has to get -- let's make it simple. there's the hamiltons who was very into christian language and documents. they say we want strict separation of church and state. the others say we want to keep the federal government out of the state establishments what john is referring to. perfect compromise. we get a very, very strong first

but it is not like a discussion about the bible because part of our problem is that we read books like they are religious texts. religion in and of itself is irrational. i am a christian. you believe it even though you can't scientifically proved it you believe what you believe. too often particularly when it comes to our heroes we read about them and in internalize stories about them as though they are a religious figure. so we cut off our critical faculties and we become interested in perpetuating certain myths. it happened with martin for many years. we have been through that process we don't remember how much people were invested in a mythology about martin luther king jr. who had to be humanized over decades of recognize him as a man. that is the stage we are at with this text and i loved it because precisely as dr. dyson said as a competing narrative you can never fully understand any human being. we are all the product of competing narrative's including those about ourselves. when you start reading an autobiography we all know that we talk about ourselves differently than other people would talk about us. you are reading a biased text. i love frederick douglass

discussions yesterday. the president and vice president speaking with leader from both parties. be sure and stay here with cnn throughout the day. we will have continuing coverage of the countdown to the debt deadline. >>> a christianrtising campaign to raise awareness about how poor people could be affected by spending cuts, the center of the debt ceiling debate. jim wallace, president of the group behind the ads. good morning to you. i want to listening to and letting you listen and our viewers listen to part of one of your campaign ads running on christian radio in several states. >> the book of proverbs teaches where there is no leadership a nation falls and the poor aretioned while the rich have many friends. sadly congress has failed to heed these warnings and boehner is risking the health of our economy if america defaults on the debts, all to protect tax cuts for the rich and powerful. >> jim, let me bring you back in here. can it be a financial issue and a moral issue at the same time? >> well, it certainly is, t. j. a scircle of protection formed. we were all coming together to say that if you are protecting tax loopholes, corporate tax loopholes for the rich while shredding the safety net for the poor an

discuss membership for the world's youngest country. sudan was the largest country in africa, it is now effectively divided into two nations. south sudan is roughly the size of texas and it's made up of mostly christians, why it's neighbor is made up of mostly muslims. sudan was racked by civil war for two decades. the man who will now lead south sudan as its first president is a former rebel leader who fought against the north. the new country faces huge challenges. it ranks near the bottom of the united nations poverty index, including the world's highest material mortality and the highest rates of female ill litera litera literacy. decades of fighting was finally ended with a piecemeal cease fire. i want to bring in supermodel alex wecht, you probably recognize her, alec thank you so much for joining us, this must be a huge moment for you. >> thank you so much for having me, absolutely. i'm so moved. i just -- there no words to express how much this independence of the south of sudan means, not just for myself, but for the people. >> yeah, and the people of the country who are dealing with this and living there, there must be ecstasy in the country, people must be ecstatic about it. have you spoken

uprising earlier this year that toppled hosni mubarak from power, christians in egypt have increasingly come under attack tomorrow a discussion on their minority community in egypt which accounts for about 10% of the population. live coverage at 9:30 a.m. eastern on c-span3. later also on c-span3, we will continue the conversation on the political unrest in the arab world. live coverage from the international center begins it noon eastern. earlier house and senate republicans called on the senate to approve the deficit reduction plan passed by the house earlier this week. the measure they call cut, cap and balance would allow a debt ceiling increase but tie it with immediate spending cuts and a balanced budget, constitutional amendment. democratic senate majority leader harry reid said he plans on holding the vote to table or kill the gop plan. this republican news conferences 45 minutes. >> it's like posing for a photo at a family reunion in utah. [laughter] i would like to thank everyone for joining us today. this is a difficult time for our country and there are those including all of us here, including almost all of our r

discussion to the bible. i think part of our problem is that we read books like their religious text. you know, religion in and of itself is irrational, you believe it. i'm a christian. you believe it and even though you can't scientifically prove of us have come you believe what you believe. too often when it comes to our heroes, we read about them and internalized stories about them as though they are a religious figure and a deity. and we cut off our critical faculty and we become infested in perpetuating certain myths. it happened with martin for many years through that process that we don't even remember how much people were invested in a mythology about martin luther king jr., who had to be humanized over decades that we now recognize that missing and feared dead as the state we're at now with this task. you can never fully understand raw the product of competing narratives. we all know we talk about ourselves a little to differently than how other people would talk about it. you're reading a biased texas to visit calls itself. i love frederick douglass, but i'm sure that if somebody else, it's mrs. douglas are writing the story -- and just pain. as african am

pan said that bachmann and associates is a christian counseling center that has a variety of counseling and mental health issues. she are you fused to discussciting patient confidentiality. shu she did say the clinic honors for all people for why a what they come in for. >> michael, thank you very much. >>> coming up next, would you let your 8-year-old girl step into the ring and do some kickboxing? the heated backlash to one father's decision. we'll talk about that right after this. finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not caused by a heart valve problem. today we have pradaxa to reduce the risk of a stroke caused by a clot. in a clinical trial, pradaxa 150 mg reduced stroke risk 35% more than warfarin. and with pradaxa, there's no need for those regular blood tests. pradaxa is progress. pradaxa can cause serious, sometimes fatal, bleeding. don't take pradaxa if you have abnormal bleeding, and seek immediate medical care for unexpected signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. pradaxa may increase your bleeding risk if you're 75 or older, have kidney problems or a

discuss the issue of gay marriage. he made these remarks in denver at the western conservative summit organized by the colorado christian university centennial institute. this is about 25 minutes. [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much for your service to our country. thank you. [applause] what a nice introduction. as governor, my highest responsibility was to serve as commander-in-chief for the colorado guard, so, lieutenant, i appreciate your service and that of your colleagues, men and women who protect our freedom every day. thank you. [applause] friends, i appreciate the chance to be here today and particularly the chance to introduce a very good friend and an outstanding governor, rick perry of texas. when you serve as governor, and his and my terms overlapped for seven years, you get to know who the doers are, you get to know with the talkers are. rick carey is a doer -- rick perry is a doer. we were close friends and allies, and that is not something that you always say about all of your colleagues. given that rick and i serve with, for example, rod blagojevich and howard dean. [laughter] had my colleagues