more is they didn't want western customs and they didn't want western ethical and religious principles so i think we've often we've had this kind of ambivalence this is why in a way we can we can we enter a little clique might not be interesting what we cannot do without it and we cannot live with it and i think that's one of the conundrums of our times but i got very much agree with what rick said in fact my new book the book one of the books i'm working on at the moment is called culture insecurity that what ever else we might see as a kind of you know the positive or negative of the west the question of security becomes absolutely central in any in the in the value system so security i think is another issue that we need to talk about because many people are sort of just a little western about security everybody wants security bill go ahead go ahead go ahead you know everybody wants it is you know i mean everybody wants security that's absolutely right but people have felt often the security has been in some ways destroyed by what the west suggests that they're giving the world demo

western powers need to implement a western economic and military agenda and therefore the people who will eventually command the political situation in libya and the military situation will indeed be supported and buttressed by western powers western powers have thrown all their support behind the leading national transitional council giving them billions of dollars and weapons to gain control but the rebels are far from being a united group what is going to face after that is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said in the beginning this is tribe against tribe this is not democracy against totalitarian revolutions in egypt and libya developed under different scenarios in egypt it was an own armed uprising the new leads in libya it's really an insurgency flooded with weapons by the way and those weapons are still in their arms and they're not going anywhere and many analysts are saying that libyans could find themselves in a much worse situation than the egyptians because on top of power crisis similar to the want to gyptian they're having libyans could

asia times correspondent pepe escobar believes as soon as western countries get leading oil contracts they are one boots on the ground to secure their own. this is the cover story this story from the beginning was our to peep responsibility to protect there was no basis for a un resolution one hundred seventy three there is a be there of the agreement between the u.s. and saudi arabia we get a resolution based on your fake arab league all nine countries out of twenty two and you can do it you want with bahrain or in saudi arabia itself but this was the cover story sold to american and european union especially the chinese the russians many people in brazil for that now they're not buying it they know it so us need to coordinate our operation without them there will be no victor just will be a still little go for ever and we have international community sort of basically atlanticist powers gauging sides in a civil war so windy new biblically cool in four months or medium years and that it's ok let's try to pick tripoli in one day and they did it because they belong basically going the

powers western power. thrown all their support behind the national transitional council giving them billions of dollars and weapons to gain control but the rebels are far from being a united group what is going to face after that is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said at the beginning this is tribe against tribe this is not democracy against mccullough terry the revolutions in egypt and libya have developed in the different scenarios in egypt it was an unarmed uprising of millions in libya it's been an insurgency flooded with weapons by the west and those weapons are still in their arms and they're not going anywhere and many analysts are saying that we could find themselves in a much worse situation than the egyptians because on top of power crisis similar to the one egyptians are having. could be facing a fresh outbreak of violence at the hands of the armed mom i'm going to shut down reporting from washington our team. we'll be bringing you more expert opinion on develo

countries western companies. italy france the u.k. very k. but they could have political issues with countries like brazil china and russia now if that's to be the case then that could certainly be a major setback for those countries you could see the loss of billions of dollars worth of oil contracts i was speaking to one of the editors today a very large newspaper here and it's the and he's been following the situation very closely and how he described this was like a chess game now between the oil companies between the front countries on the ground there is still an extremely confusing time in libya what's happening in tripoli now there is still a lot left. and say certainly by no means is this game at the moment but that does spell the potential problems for those countries that the libyan revolution has pointed out that amongst the market that there will be output in oil production restored some point in the near future in libya or to surface reporting for us there now author and analyst william and all thin

the idea of a control i could half in his family is as war criminals is yet another saw in the western hypocrisy when we have to suppose tony blair and various other people responsible for the disastrous episode in iraq in particular who wanted to i think in this way so you think that could happen you see when they are captured should face trial in libya and that should be no foreign intervention whatsoever in their fate. i think it is absolutely up to the libyan people to decide what they do with gadhafi and with anybody else that they if there is evidence one trial they should they should be dealt with in libya and not in the hague or anywhere else so i feel that the whole western intervention around this has been. too they were caught taken by surprise by the average brain of what they're trying to do is to reassert western control. well let's get to more analysis now from freelance journalist chandan he's recently come back from libya and joins us now from brussels now you have been there in the country very recently why do you think that after almost six months of relative stalema

will come to power as the proxy use of the western powers and the western powers don't do this without asking for a payback and they will be asking for a payback if i were a libyan and i were listening to david cameron's speech or if i had listened to what nato said earlier that they want to assist the transition i mean have a knows what a military alliance supposedly assisting a transition to democracy is all about i would take those remarks as more threat than a promise that is a direct threat by david cameron that they will use their military and economic weight to gain what they want out of any new government in libya the only chance of unity for the t.n.c. is that they do what most libyans i believe want them to do and that is to say that the future of libya is to be decided by libyans and by nobody else but they do not require the systems of nato that they do not require the assistance of the major powers that they do not want their resources exploited by western oil companies that could be a point of unification but if they continue down the line of competing amongst themselves

they said they don't have any problems with western countries western companies italy france the u.k. but they could have political issues with countries like brazil china and russia now if that's to be the case then that could certainly be a major setback this country's you could see the loss of billions of dollars worth of oil contracts i was speaking to one of the editors today a very large mistake here in italy and he's been following the situation very closely and how he described this it's like a chess game now between the oil companies between the front countries on the ground there is still an extremely confusing time in libya what's happening in tripoli now there is still a lot of. thought out and they certainly find it means that this at the moment but still the potential problems for those countries that libyan rebel. had printed out that it's a month they will market that they will be out that a.o.l. production was still in some point in the near future in libya so for three porting there an author an analyst thinks the struggle for libyan oil is the real bottom line of th

the idea that they control i could half in his family is criminals this is yet another sign of western reporter see when we have to suppose tony blair and various other people responsible for being disastrous episode in iraq in particular who wanted to i think in this wire so you think we could have to do so when they are captured should face trial in libya and there should be no foreign intervention whatsoever in their fate. i think it is absolutely up to the libyan people to decide what they do with afy and with anybody else that they if there is evidence they should they should be dealt with their lives we are not in the hague or anywhere else i was still the whole western intervention around this is and. two they were caught taken by surprise by the obvious what they're trying to do is to reassert western control. well for more on this let's now cross live to richard spencer he's a us based journalist joining us there on his web cam in the usa thanks so much for being with us well we've been getting conflicting reports from the rebels over the situation there in tripoli for almost

intelligence services and this whole conflict has been engineered for a concerted campaign by western governments since the beginning and it's the same now in tripoli nato apache helicopters and jets massacred and blown apart all these were able to get into tripoli are you saying then then this isn't the wish of the majority of the libyan people for this to happen for a change in regime and indeed if they wanted that wish they needed help from outside from nato. absolutely look out with images very carefully from zawiya and from tripoli and even western mainstream media is admitting that no civilians are coming out in support of the rebels although all the shoppers all the shops all the houses are shut down in florida and the shut down in tripoli now the rebels think the compound but last night last night round one went to gadhafi because they said they had no holography and cycle islam hey presto cycle is long slow in globing around tripoli so perhaps like last night tonight is another trap for the rebels in the compound that gadhafi supporters are allowing all these dozens and score

will come to power as the proxies of the western powers and the western powers don't do this without asking for a pay back and they will be asking for a pay back and you can see that immediately why is it that the head of the t.n.c. is running off to paris to meet with the french president the head of egypt and even the military government which is not a government which many who fought in the egyptian revolution want to see in place but even that government didn't run off to london or to paris or for that matter even to the even when you when you talk about it i mean i mean they paid ok are you referring to the mineral wealth in libya said to be distributed here. well of course starting is one very very important very very important issue it was why the western powers tony blair and others struck a deal with gadhafi in the first place it will be exactly what they're seeking to continue with the t.n.c. to further explore those and those oil riches but that's not the only thing and it may not even be in the short run the most important thing you see the military intervention in libya

the western world once does not give the right to the western world to grab any story. and put it as true but that doesn't look to be among them it is goals and this conflict the press is not just about coverage it's a war and as in every war they go is to we refuse to damascus syria. seventeen minutes past the almost here in moscow still. to calm a major coup for russian football. puts itself on the sporting map by signing a new superstar breaking the bank in the process all the details for you shortly. but first a major overhaul of russian space agency has been ordered by prime minister vladimir putin that's unmanned resupply vessel on its way to the international space station was lost in the skies on wednesday as search operation is underway although it's thought the craft may have burned up in the atmosphere but there's still concern that some toxic materials may have come down on earth. one of the reports now. the problems occurred for this mission around five minutes after the launch when one of the booster rockets carrying the progress module failed that resulte