we live in darwin's world economically. explain that. >> actually, i'm a great admirer of smith's.nts get out of the school not being a great admirer of his invisible hand story. it's created an enormous amount of wealth in the world, but it's not the whole story. i think for the general story, we have to look to darwin who saw that individual interests sometimes coincide with what's good for society just as in smith's account. but often times, individual interests push squarely against what society's desires want. we've got to look for examples in each category and base policy on which case we're in. sometimes we all stand up to see better and none of us sees better than before. individual interests don't help us in that case. >> i enjoy your books, the winner take all society. but what i'm not clear about from that book and what i've read about this book is what you recommend what we do about it. we have this terrible inequality, we all agree it's bad on social grounds, it may lead to slower growth, but what do we do about it? >> i'm not a fan of meddlesome bureaucratic remedies.