host: this e-mail -- host: next is corey, joining us from california.aller: [bbep] host: we go next to honolulu. caller: we need to get off of our resources and back to our own people. people in all 50 states are sleeping on concrete. we always need to respect the land, respect the people, and this -- respect the organization. we have a good president who is doing the right job. doing what we need to do to get to where we need to be. thank you. host: thank you for of the call. from "the international herald tribune," many web sites addressing what was aired yesterday, "karzai says he will support pakistan in the event of a military battle between pakistan and the west. of the border between pakistan and afghanistan has been one of the most volatile front in the war. the common ties between the neighbors is the only way to bring about peace." here is the version that we were able to find, about all longest in english, with the comments from the afghan president, as he talked about pakistan and the u.s. yesterday. >> afghanistan is a brother to the people

host: meganle our guest until 10:00. mark from florida. caller: good morning. and true professional you are. i want to make a point. i think a problem we have, in our history when the executive branch and legislative branch have run amok and corruption, which i think what has happened, and you will never get anyone in congress because they have friends, family that do investing for them and the kids run through different things, but in our history, the media and the newspapers used to be the ones that have the power of another little check and balance to where they could inform the public of the culture of corruption in such. what we have now is i think the media is corrupt as well. if you look at big business media and who they are in cahoots with as well -- look at the martha stewart case. they busted her on telephone calls and this and that. the media cover that 24/7. host: caller, thanks. guest: there is a lot there. there is a lot the the fact is that congress is in charge of regulating itse

but there was -- >> host: right. it was a royalty-in-kind, program. >> guest: and what can be described as deep coziness. you know, i think who are your inspectors going to be? i mean, they're people who live in south louisiana, they live in the coastal area, they may, indeed, go to the same churches on sunday morning as the people who are also working on the platforms, but that doesn't mean they're not going to be rigorous and tough enforcers. we've now seen a couple of presidential commissions, and i think that they're very important be lessons to be drawn and, clearly, part of the reorganization was to try and separate the different functions because the minerals management service had the job of both promoting offshore development and the responsibility of managing its safety. and i think other countries have learned such as britain did after it had a bad offshore accident, that you've got to separate those two functions. on the water and, you know, it was just -- the purpose of that was to just show how much thi

host: tom.st: well, right up the street we have the newsium that has the first amendment right on the side of it the building and very strong believer in the first amendment. the separation of church and state doesn't mean that you have to hide your beliefs. we as christians are just as much allowed to go and argue in the public square and debate in the public square. and that's all we're hoping to do. because if we don't, trust me, the other side is already trying to impose their values. all we're trying to do is get into the debate and have a fair debate on these values. host: next up, jonathan from oklahoma on our line for republicans. caller: yes. first of all i would like to mention that i'm a republican on grounds of expediencey not principle. i'm a libertarian. i sort of have a followup for tom. it is of my opinion that the united states is a has a state or semi-state religion that being cristianty. the evidence for this is in god we trust is printed on the money. presidents are sworn int

host: thank you.want to take a look at majority leader eric cantor, who was on fox news sunday yesterday. this is what he had to say. >> here we go again. this is the type of money and the types of programs the president advocated in the stimulus program. i think the country understands washington does not create jobs. we believe in private enterprise. we believe the way you get the economy going again is to focus on the businesses of this country, every one of which entrepeneur.an we need that kind of activity right now. we saw what happened with the stimulus money. much of that went to the states. it sustained jobs for about a year and then the states were faced with billions of dollars in debt. host: today we are talking about -- where are the jobs? the conversation on our c-span facebook page -- otis says -- host: that is the discussion on our facebook page. back to our phones. on the line for independents, james in st. charles, missouri. go ahead. caller: good morning. i wish everyone in the coun

host: dr. coleman got his m.d. from yale in 1970 and received his undergraduate from mathematics at the university of vermont and he spent time as a professor of oncology at stanford university, and this was in the late 1970's and 1980's. how has the study of oncology changed from 1978 when you started teaching, from today? guest: it has really trained tremendously. i did my initial training at the national cancer institute and i am trained in medical and radiation and ecology. we knew some of the cancer biology. we did sort of the best you can. we put together a combination of drugs just been developed. where we on -- are now is beginning to understand the blueprint of what cancer is. we understand at the molecular level what are lesions and what is driving them. for example, breast cancer is not breast cancer, there are many subsets' based on how it looks under the microscope, but also as you profile lead and take it out and study the genes. personalize medicines it is one -- is one area, if

host: mr. pinsky, what would you say to david in ohio who says he's basically trudging along without the help of any government? guest: well, i think, david, your story is a story that we hear a lot from small businesses that are struggling. demand is low. it makes it hard. i wouldn't disagree with you. i agree with you that it's demand for products. having good product and having demand for it creates jobs. what we can do is provide the financing so that business can be positioned to take advantage of that. whether that's a labor force question or whether that's a supply chain question or whether that's a marketing question. right? is there may be demand out there that businesses need help finding. so you're absolutely right about that. i want to touch on that. and i think this is a tough business environment in general. i don't know your industry well enough to know the challenges that were created by the competition with china. there's no question that there are imbalances in how we manage b

host: mr. segal? guest: well, we certainly have a spending problem in this country. and a lot of that has to do with the fact that we've spent so many dollars on wars and so many dollars on bailing out certain too big to fail institutions. and i think the tea party and occupy wall street both agree that the bailout of the too big to fail institutions were, in many cases, outrageous. so let's not try to divide the two different movements to that extent. but as far as my generation being spoiled, i couldn't disagree more. i have never seen a more service-oriented generation certainly that i've read about and been taught by the very history professors that you accuse of being poor professors or poor teachers who work very hard and who also contribute to this country in valuable ways. but as i've learned it, this generation, certainly the research shows, we're one of the most volunteer-oriented generations in history. we are also a generation that is overwhelmingly looking at ways to aid charity an

. ♪ host: the u.s.ays that the two men accused of terrorist plots, they say that it was conceived, supported, and directed by elements of the iranian government. good morning, everyone. this is wednesday, october 12. we want to get your reaction to this story this morning. for republicans, 202-737-0002. for democrats, 202-737-0001. for independents, 202-628-0205. we will get to your phone calls in just a minute. joining us on the phone, a u.s. foreign-policy national security editor. let's begin with what we know about these connections to the iranian government. caller: a good question. iran has not been known to attack targets in the united states. certainly in recent years. while we are all skeptical, evidence seems to show significant ties to iran. host: what is the evidence? caller: one of the main suspects says that he was working with people that he believed to be part of the elite arm of the islamic revolutionary guard corps. i will not say wiretaps, but there appears to be elements in which the

host: we have an opinion on twitter. host: we will see how that plays out.: that is a good point to raise. does it violate the fourth amendment to track someone's car for a month? the justices said -- does it violate the rights to attach this device to a person's car? it is quite possible that some of the justices might think in principle this is ok, but i do not like the idea of an aged being able to attack someone to some -- being able to attach something to someone's car. caller: i hope you'll let me set this thing up so that the american people will understand what is going on in the courts. i just filed a writ. people not pay so they can look at it for themselves. the united states supreme case is 10-9117. let me set this up for you. anthony davis was executed. the youngest person in the united states was a 14-year-old black child. he had -- the me show you what happened to me -- let me show you what happened to me. a judge took my case. the judge sought the case out. let me tell you what happened. he took that case. what he did -- he dismissed the defe

host: what is your response? guest: the state department found that there would not be additional impacts from the emissions at refineries, nor the construction or operation of the pipeline. if you look at that assessment, the same standard applies when you are refining oil versus any other oil. the environmental standards for emissions will apply, the same feel special -- fuel specifications will apply. the same standards apply throughout the process no matter where the oil is coming or going from. other oil that we are already refining at the most advanced refineries in the world. host: democratic caller in florida, tom. caller: is it true that this is a four phase project and the three of the phases are completed? guest: know, the construction has not begun. it can begin -- no, the construction has not begun. it can begin. if the decision is made, and it is positive for approval, the work will begin. there are different components. it is not just bringing the canadian oil. there are two high production areas i

host: a tweet. wire the jobs created by it bemulaus money allowed to outsourced to chinese companies? guest: i do not know about that and i would like to hear more. i tried to oversee the stimulus money. we pledged to do that in a bipartisan matter. i'm not happy about the way some of the money has been spent. some agencies have done a good job. faa has done a great job in getting the money out, and also responsibly. i do not know of any instances. we will investigate that. it will be a pursuit. i will make a note of that for our staff to check out. host: robert, new york city, you are on with john mica. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: regarding the title that is on the screen, deficits and transportation, i'm wondering why there is such an emphasis in this day and age on the development of high-speed rail. obviously, high-speed rail is a phenomenon that applies as the occupy wall street people would say, to the 1%. a lot of the use of the high- speed rail is things that could be

: >> host: did they ever explain? >> guest: they said in the process of negotiating and trying to understand why. >> host: one time you testified in 2009 you were behind a screen. we have a shot of that we will show our viewers. was that your choice or the senate's choice? >> guest: mostly both. i did a lot of work in my career in the fbi. i did undercover work. at that time we fought for security reasons it is better not to show my face. >> host: ali soufan is our guest. "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al-qaeda" is the book. phone-number are on the screen as is the twitter and e-mail address. first call for ali soufan from troy, alabama. you are on booktv. >> caller: thank you. i am looking forward to reading your book but i will wait until the paperback so there will be less lines in it. did you find anywhere in your research a justification for going to war in iraq? >> guest: no. i talk about this a lot in my book. believe me. you can get a lot of facts about what happened in the wa

host: yes.aller: i think that the confined in the corporate welfare and the defense department, a big chunk of this. and also to one of the callers about welfare, there is roughly 256 million white folks in america. if you take the percentages that are given on welfare, you know, if there's 9% of whites on welfare, that is almost 25 million. and then black america, it is only 40 million. so if it is 16%, you know that 40 million is 10% of 40, so -- it would be roughly about 6 million black folks in the welfare situation. so be careful, republicans. you are really only hurting your own when you try to label welfare and put the stigma of black people, it is really more whites that will be affected on medicare, section 8, because of a larger percentage of white folks, and like i said, it is 250 million white folks in america. when you play with the percentages, rather than real numbers, it sounds like back -- black people of the problem. but relief white folks of the problem. they will be hurt the

host: mr.ordon, here is a tweet from joe -- guest: well, the people did not vote for the income tax. it was enacted by congress. certainly the public pressure was that the rich were not paying their fair share. fairness tends to be in the height of the beholder, but there was no question the rich were paying a much lower percentage of their income in taxes to the federal government then word the less affluent. the public pressure was that these people should be paying more integral taxes so the less affluent people could pay less. host: was the government at the time be -- able to be in the black with having a terror attacks and not having an income tax? guest: yes. throughout the late 19th century and up until world war i, the government ran consistent large surpluses. in 1884 government revenues exceeded outlays by 34 percent signed, which was a colossal surplus. the only reason it was there was because the tariff was being used not only as a revenue source, but as a protection against europe

this one from jim -- white this is from arnold -- -- host: this is from arnold -- host: thomas -- hostthe next call comes from mississippi. caller: good morning. i love c-span. i think it is ridiculous that the banks are now charging the poor $5. we bailed them out one time. they have taken our money and put it somewhere to gain interest. they made a bad investment and we have to bail them out again. it is ridiculous. they are not loaning money to people who are trying to keep america afloat by keeping them in houses. george bush took us to war and put us in that period when he came into office, we had a surplus of money. we do not miss you. now you are not doing anything to help us out. host: this, from politico -- host: here is harry reid from last night. >> under this procedure that has recently been adopted in this instance, there is no limit to how many -- can be filed. this has to come to an end. this is not a way to legislate. that is why i made the motion to overrule the chair. host: the senate voted along party lines to change the testament. under normal procedure, 50 senators

host: tell me! we are funded as one nation under god and our rills values are important -- our religious values are important. but i believe mitt romney is a christian and his religious values are certainly important to the country. i also worked with mormons and i was confirmed and marriage as a swedish evangelical lutheran which is a very strict religion. but i have worked with mormons for over 40 years through my genealogy and i have found them to be some of the most -- have the most faith in god, the nicest, smartest, most wonderful i have ever been able to work with. i have great respect for their honesty, integrity and abilities. host: thank you. next is the democrat line from detroit. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. i have been to temple square, salt lake city. my parents were married in the temple in washington, d.c. so i know a little bit about the faith. i would just like to congratulate the last caller because people have this misconception that mormons are not christia

host: ohio, go ahead. caller: this is going to be great for our economy because it frees up some money. i do not think president obama does could make any republican happy. they stated that clearly at the end of the first debate. it was not supporting the people that elected them. the only thing that matters to republicans is defeating obama. host: in the baltimore sun this morning, this story regarding the capture and killing of muammar gaddafi. libyans ask about gaddafi's qaeda way -- hideaway. on the topic of muammar gaddafi, the president talked about that in his radio address this week and reiterated his announcement of the troop withdrawal from iraq. the president said it is now the time to start focusing on nation-building here in the united states. >> in iraq, we have succeeded to end the war. than already removed more 100,000 troops. iraqi forces have taken full responsibility to the security of their own country. thanks to the extraordinary sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, the iraqi pe

host: new york.ler: you want to get the government out of business with too much regulation of business. you know something? if businesses were angels, they would not need regulation. nothing happened in 2009 when the banks burst. it at least disaster and people lost jobs and massive amounts of money. " we need is more regulation. remember that triangle shirtwaist factory, it took that to bring about regulation of businesses and industry and to bring about labor laws that protected women from the kind of abuses that were suffering. host: i am going to hadd to your comments from the tweet. guest: this is a certain a lot. -- asserted a lot. i am not an anarchist libertarian. i am all for protective laws that resulted from the triangle shirtwaist factory in all the rest. but there is a problem when you say that some is good and beneficial, therefore it all is. in 2009, the caller says, nothing happened. you had the obama administration and democrats running washington. it is not like the turnaround of b

host: why? caller: i trust him. i'd think he would make a good president. i think he can help straighten out the economy, get jobs, put people back to work. host: let us give your response to a comment from a white house official yesterday, the front page of "the washington times." they point out yesterday the senior advisor to the white house says mr. romney "has no core." the talk about is changing positions on issues. what do you think? caller: i think sometimes people ask questions and they make a decision to quickly at the spur of the moment. i think he has thought about different things and reversed his opinion. and people have a right to change their opinion as long as they stick to them and don't keep changing them over and over. that is how i feel about it. and i think he would make a very good president and very much held out the country. host: here is a little bit more of the piece from "the washington times." ben wolfgang points out -- and read more about that in "the washington time

host: ok.ere is daniel's comments on our twitter page -- ne is a parent and he is our last phone call -- eddie. caller: teachers get laid off but they don't get more specific. there is a recent court ruling that said that if you spend so much money on the boys extracurricular activity you have to spend on girls -- if indeed boys have football the girls have to have fought -- field hockey. if boys have hardball the girls have to have softball. etc go back to the offering r's. you have to take a look at -- get back to the 3 r's. you have to go back to the school budgets. host: and 45 minutes we are going to be talking about credit unions and how they work. up next is this cover story from "national journal" -- we will be right back. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> of course, i am delighted but not surprised by the final repeals of the 18th amendment. i felt all along that when it was properly submitted to the rank

. ♪ host: 1100 n.ot paid peras morning, congressional leaders to say that president obama's jobs bill will not be at the top of their agenda when they reconvene next week. mitt romney saying they expect her raise up to $13 million. president obama expects more than 55 meghan dollars. when it comes to savings in the united states, saving rates are down. in august, only 4.5% of income was saved by americans. this is the "washington journal " for october 1, 2011. wlaki ish of anwar a an all the papers. this is scott shane writing for ".e "new york times begi claiming that killing him, and it goes on what the story. editorials of paper is taking a look at this topic, such as the "new york daily news." two perspectives from the world of politics this morning. president obama talking about the effort in the organization that was behind the targeted killing. this is what he had to say >> the death of his of awlaki major active al qaeda's most organizational feel it. he was the organizer 4 al qaeda in the arab

host: elizabeth williamson. guest: the caller points out that this is a whole basket of issues the united states has with china. 1.4 ilion people. the state is under pressure to try to deliver its own ways to make its goods competitive. we have a lot of issues with china. intellectual property theft is another issue we are negotiating with china on. our government considers it progress that of the software used by the chinese government, 90% of it is pirated from u.s. companies. that's down from 100%. that's seen as progress. currency is the tip of the iceberg. host: we have another tweet. is that true? guest: china has many more means for doing this. they are able to pull all the levers in a way that a free market economy is not. host: back to the phones. texas on the line for democrats. you are on the "washington journal." go ahead. robert, are you there? you are talking with me now. do you have a question or a comment for elizabeth williamson of "the wall street journal"? caller: i don't think americans have

so the agents looked at this. >> host: murphy's law investigation.u look at it, it's one of the most our rent is mistakes you can imagine in terms of investigation. you go back and say how could you possibly connect a white lawyer in oregon with the bombing in madrid? and then you look at it and you look at it from the lens of the fbi agent who was making the connection, it's like, you know, you could see how those mistakes happen. >> guest: but here's how the mistake happen. first of all in the fbi identified the finger, one agent said that fingerprint is a lot like that the government. what you should be doing then, and with the fbi is doing now is to have a second person who doesn't know that the first person made the identification do that independently. but that didn't happen to later people assumed the first identification was right. when he told the standard, they so we don't think the. they never asked a spaniard what was the basis of their conclusion. >> host: just before, just to give an idea, we have a sense in the public that forensic sci

host: yes, you are. caller: he's not going to be able to turn the economy around to help the american people unless he goes by them. it's disheartening to hear so many republicans have the idea that the rich should get richer, the poor should get poorer and you should be out there all by yourself like the guy who said about the school teacher. like the guy who said about the teacher when she might be teaching the great innovator who might expand our economy. it's just ashame that they feel that somehow that the president is doing some tripe of treasonist activity by trying to focus on doing everything he can to get this economy turned around. host: nume, chris on our republican line. caller: good morning. i think he's much like clinton in a lot of ways that under clinton's administration he in 98, 99 and 2020 borrowed a lot of money from the extra governmental debt area borrowing money from itself, from the trust funds in order to pay public debt showing that he had an actual surplus but in fact did not.

host: mr.lson, how can you be serious about balancing the budget if you refuse to raise revenues is the next week for you. -- the next tweet for you. guest: i am including the bush tax cut, do you notice a mass sive drop in tax revenues or of increase in tax spending? it is later. i did not think anyone argues that tax increases are stimulative if people are out of work. i think it seems irresponsible, but even as a flat out math question, we have raised a lot of money. we just spend more. host: sterling heights, michigan. kevin on the republican line. caller: i appreciate your show, and i always like when your attacker carlsson on. i want to state that i think the problem to republican party has had for a long time is they're not able to clearly define the conservatism, and why conservatism works better in the political system than liberalism does. we keep putting moderates up to have the tendency to adopt liberal ideas. clean energy is one and illegal aliens are another. we put these candidat

host: congressman brown? guest: he's wrong. he said they can have filters and they made arrangements for the companies to have filters that supposedly will prevent the interference. but we do not know. those filters have not been developed. how can we know? we need to have that information. so he's written big checks to the obama campaign. the people across the board with lightsquared -- multiple of the major people with the company had written big checks to the obama campaign. they are trying to force it to the fcc. the fcc has given some preliminary ok's to go ahead. we need to have a proper vetting. we need to find out what the situation is. the spectrum was not designed for a land-based broadband. there are other companies, also. this administration is picking winners and losers. the winners are the people that write big checks the obama campaign. this is not right. this is another one of those cases where the obama administration is trying to force the american people to accept something to give tremendous profits to the o

that's why they commit suicide so often. >> host: on that note let's take a short break. >> host: today we talk about the hayekian school, the keynesian school, and one could easily make a mistake of thinking those schools just arose by accident, that people admired their work and so forth and decided to fold them. but in reality they were actually quite deliberate builders of movements and maybe you could talk a bit about how they said about creating an army of followers. >> guest: keynes a simple way of doing it because he had a product to sell. in 1936, or by in a 1986 he completed his general theory, where he described exactly how i can do with the economy you could make it operate at a higher plane. therefore, employ more people. at least to his own satisfacti satisfaction. and this was a message that sony people wanted to hear, not least in america. when the boxes of general three arrived and were ripped open as if they were contraband. it was an astonishing thing. that desire to be at the forefront of the new and exciting and optimistic movement which was how to cure the unemploy

. >> host: midwestern college students? >> guest: university of idaho. first was a saudi exchange student going to idaho because he was studying computer studies in while there not surprisingly being from saudi arabia and 9/11 to place and led day candlelight vigil for those who were so shooting muslims with the radical jihad and 9/11 and he wanted people to understand that is not most of islam most are put -- peace-loving people. he was working with the organization called the islamic assembly of north america at trying to get people to understand about islam he served as their web master. and then just to get the facts. to get links including people explaining why they thought jihad was a great idea. at some pat -- point* coming under investigation after a lot of wiretaps and surveillance, they did not come up with all lot of evidence from the sleeper so they thought they discovered and this story is about -- . >> host: was there? >> guest: no. of that is when you think you have something government agents of good faith can start to jump to conclusions

the agents looked at this and -- >> host: the murphy's law investigations. it's probably one of the most horrendous mistakes you would imagine in terms of the investigation to beat you go back and see how can you possibly connect a white lawyer in oregon with a bombing in madrid and then you look at it and from the lens of the fbi agent who was making the connection. and, you know, he -- you can see how the mistakes happen but it helped bring the me field. >> guest: here's how it happened. two things, when the fbi identified the fingerprints one said that fingerprint is low. what you should be doing and what the fbi is doing now after hundreds of pages of inspector general report is have a second person who doesn't know the first person made the identification to that independently. so that didn't happen. leader people will assume the identification was right when they told the standards they said we don't think so and nobody paid any attention. they never asked the spaniards with the basis of their conclusion was saddam was one problem. >> host: to give an

host could you describe him as a utopian. surely the essence is a better perfect world one might live in. one of the problems has went on for a very long time and you will always find places where they affect each other. he had decided that what was missing from his sides logic of the warmth and humanity and the vision that the left have provided and even if it went wrong the fact was that communism started off with an admirable goal and was therefore worth taking and didn't draw a lot of people and not withstand the horrors that had been practiced who still cut their mind on the honorable goal and he said that is what we want to do on our side and that is when he started this very broad brush with the society might be like if you take the government out of the patient and he would withdraw from everything from the governments and so on. to that extent i think what he wanted to do is to actually move the boundary between where the parliamentary democracy lies and where the markets to charge. the market is in itself space. we

>> host: what would he be saying at the moment?guest: i think he would say we're in for an incomfortable ten years. it's going to take a long time to get out of the mess they put us into. >> host: in that sense, in a way, you've articulated an keynes method for republicans rather than the hayek method that is more brutal. >> guest: i can't see any politician fully implying the hayek. that would be difficult. >> host: because it's so brutal. >> guest: you have to spell

host: is the u.s. talking to the hakani network are talking through the pakistani government to the hakani network? guest: the hakanis set last week that the u.s. has attempted to make contact articl. the question is whether the u.s. will talk to different insurgent forces or talk to the pakistanis. the

i think maybe 2,000 or 3,000. >> host: i was on vacation up the time i saw this report. but the question is what do we do. >> guest: this is can we fix the branded mayfield case by the single identification of course we should take those small corrections. but to me it was a story that the framers were right if you have an enormous amount of power being exercised by one branch of the government without oversight, that is a recipe for abuse. and there is a lesson i apply to a lot more than what are they doing it with the national security letter is right now? you're asking why doesn't president obama change all of this? it seems to me that once you are president, jack goldsmith who has a new book called the terror presidency, and i think the american people of the dreary realistic -- of realistic expectation the president can keep us safe and guarantee our safety. the commission said no president can promise the american people that. you can do your best and hope and prevent some things but you can't guarantee safety and i think the problem is -- >> host: to the american

host: congressman wolf. guest: well, i'm not sure what wars he's talking about but i have a bill, we passed the house, we're trying to get it passed in the senate, it sets up a study group to look at this afghanistan war. maybe what to do and what is appropriate. maybe what they're doing is not. maybe there's a better way. i don't have the answers but i was the author of the iraq study group. jim baker, republican. good guy. congressman hamilton, good person, to come together and pennetta served on that panel. gates served on that panel and they came up with good ideas. i want to look at pakistan as part of it because if you can't be successful in pakistan you are not going to be successful in afghanistan. the administration opposes my bill. i can't get them to comment on it. now we're going to hopefully pass it in the senate but going to bring republicans and democrats. it's supported by crocker who is our ambassador in afghanistan. he supported it before he got appointed. so in fairness -- it's supported b

host: two years? caller: yes, it is about this one particular question and it cuts across all party lines and all the rhetoric of tax rates and everything. it is very simple. i would like for somebody to explain the time line of how and when they are going to employ 15-25 million people in the private sector when there are no businesses, no product shortage, and all the people have no money to buy a thing and it is getting worse? it is the timeline to do all this that nobody is talking about. guest: that's a good point. the economy has been in despair for. quite some for the unemployment rate had been high for quite some time. we have high long-term unemployment so that is concerning to me. many people have talked about the policies to get the economy back on track. you are narrowing in on what is difficult in the solutions is that there is no quick fix. in 2009, we saw an expectation that we could quickly get back on track. we can have an uncomfortable but short reception and we have had those in the

host: congressman?uest: what we are hearing is a frustration that the federal government has failed to secure the borders and to do things within the united states to ensure that people letter here to legally do not just have a free rein. the caller just mentioned e- verify. however you think we ought to go after the problem of illegal immigration, people are coming forward. if we could have a system in place that is fair to the businesses, the employers, because most of them want to do the right thing. they do not want to hire people that are here illegally. they just have not had the tools to do so. i think it should be mandatory. i think there should be consequences if you'd do not. in the past, i was not in favor of this employer mandate because we did not have the tools available. now we have the tools available. we must require that businesses use e-verify to ensure they are hiring people here that are here legally. host: a question over e-mail from nancy from chicago. guest: i have not heard that

is. >> guest: yes. >> host: what did you find? >> guest: well, senator obama himself at one time had an investment in it. it's a company that's had a lot of people tied to the obama administration one way or another as investors or supporters. but then again, you know, in defense of them, they believe in what they're doing here. and so sometimes you invest in the things that you believe in. and sometimes there's a political angle to all that. >> host: will you continue to evite about lightsquared as

. >> host: welcome, mr. yergin, to "after words" and thanks for doing this. first of all, let me congratulate you on what is quite an achievement, this book of yours, "the quest." the first thing i wanted to ask you is what prompted this book. obviously you had your pulitzer prize-winning book, "the prize," about the history of oil. so why is this, why now, especially when one of your primary conclusions is that for a while things aren't really going to change much when it comes to energy. >> guest: i think there is a couple of reasons. one come is while the trends aren't going to change a lot has changed in the world. the soviet union collapsed, china was hardly toward the prize. the only country that gets two chapters in the book right up to what happened this year with the fukushima nuclear accident and the arabs bring. so much happened and the other thing is what i wanted to do it this is more ambitious in the price that's what i thought when i was writing it because this tries to cover the whole energy spectrum and see how the pieces fit together. so, th

>> host: i think we've covered it. [laughter] >> host: tom tauke is the executive vice president for policy for verizon, and we want to move on to net neutrality. what is the status of verizon's suit against the fcc? >> guest: the status is this, that the process has occurred among the various circuit courts to determine which circuit court will hear it, and it's the d.c. circuit court that will hear the case. to the best of my knowledge, the court has not yet set a calendar for that, so we're going to wait to see what the calendar is that is set fort by the court. -- forth by the court. >> host: there was an article that it was serendipitously beneficial to verizon that the d.c. court got chosen. >> guest: well, in this case the choice was made by lottery, and the d.c. circuit was pulled when they did the lottery among the courts. we believed that if another court had been selected, that that court would have deferred to the d.c. circuit because the d.c. circuit generally has handled these issues in the past and handl

[laughter] >> host: right. so when he was arguing against the europeans, basically, he wanted to have a mandate -- [inaudible conversations] >> host: yeah, yeah. command and control. he said there are three issues; cost, cost, and cost. and the cost of mitigating climate change without a system would be far too expensive for any economy to bear. do you agree with that? because as we know, our attempt in the u.s. to set up a market system via legislation, um, is permanently stalled. >> guest: right. >> host: with no hope. is the clean air act too expensive? do you think the clean air act's too expensive to bear? >> >> guest: well, it is interesting because the whole development of using markets to solve environmental problems was, you know, sort of a development of 1980s and 1990s as a much more efficient way. you department have the command and control -- you didn't have the command and control doing it -- >> host: it was a republican idea. >> guest: that's right. it goes back to george h.w. bush's administrati

they have -- i have set up businesses in 30 countries. >> host: mr. schulte?what did you hear that answer? >> guest: well, what did he say? he didn't say anything about the campaign contributions. i mean i think he seems to be saying that this is sort of business as usual and you know we don't have a position on that one way or the other. like i said we started covering these kinds of issues because the candidate who became president of the united states in fact made an issue out of access and people with a lot of money getting access to power in getting grants and that sort of thing and he said very clearly that wasn't going to happen in his administration, and you know i mean there is nothing illegal about giving a campaign contribution and it in fact be the business as usual but we cover the relationship between money and politics. he seems to be of knowledge and that there is one. >> host: so, what would you like to see done with this information that you have put out there on your web site and the best place to find that would be i watch news.org, correct

host: thank you for the call. let me pull about this piece about the other -- point out about "the other war haunting obama." guest: i have never heard a figure that the number one killer of 1/3 of all black people is heroin. i would guess the number is heart disease. but, that aside, afghanistan is a terrible mess. president obama clearly did not start it. we just observed -- we cannot say celebrated -- its 10th anniversary last week. but we seem to have lost track of either its goals -- original goals, or once again have found ourselves in a war in which we are having difficulty in two things -- one, defining what victory is, and two, extricating ourselves. the war was launched by president bush to punish al qaeda for the september 11 attacks on united states and the taliban government in afghanistan for giving them a safe harbor. it has been very successful, the taliban government has been toppled. it has not been replaced by a great government, by any means. it has been replaced by a corrupt government. at lea

host: our boss. caller: long ago, i worked -- i spent a lot of time with a lovely lady named jody hoffman, an office manager of "rolling stone." she worked for a man -- i cannot remember if he was put in charge of "the san physical examiner." he had a conference and it was in a beautiful retreat that the hearsts have at the base of mount shasta. there were three guys named steve jobs, steve wozniak, and bill gates. i drove them from the airport to that place and i was kind of a fly on the wall. and did differenter things. host: what year was this? caller: maybe just before 1984 when rose was the publisher of "the examiner." host: what did you learn from the experience? caller: i could see that these three mines were going somewhere. it was interesting. i'm not a real educated man, but bill gates, he had so much on his mind. he could not speak fast enough to be able to get it all out. it was just a very interesting weekend at this time. those three guys were there and it was interesting to see the min

host: patents laws. guest: it has been an issue the trade representative's office has been pushing more and more. in the korea deal which was negotiated mostly under president george w. bush, but also in this transpacific partnership which of the obama administration is currently negotiating with eight other nations in southeast asia and latin america. on the issue of the car exports, certainly ford, gm, chrysler have all been in favor of these deals. after revisions that were made, renegotiation of the auto chapter by the obama administration in his first two years in office -- these changes scaled-back some of the tariffs so that korean cars would not enter the u.s. as quickly or as cheaply as they previously would have. and that brought forth, who initially opposed the agreement, -- brought ford, who was initially opposed the agreement, as well as the united autoworkers union. but skeptical about how much u.s. auto makers will sell in korea because south koreans by about 92% of their cars domestically

>> host: right. and i guess with the public cloud vendors we've seen a couple of instances in the past year where the cloud isn't perfect. sometimes things happen. so, for example, amazon's cloud service was down for a couple of days, and that even affected some government/public-facing web sites where they were out for a little bit. and also google had said about a year ago that some hackers had compromised its systems and taken some ip from it, and that attack had stemmed from china. does that cause you some concern about that move to the cloud? >> oh, sure it is. i mean, it gives you another set of concerns, if you will. for instance, if i've got my own system, my own network where i control it, there is a sense of proprietary security there versus when i send it out to somebody else. i guess the best thing that they analogized it to is if you're at home and you've got to run your own batteries or your own general rater -- generator for electricity, that may make sense in an extreme situation, but

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is acting career. >> host: i never knew that.it was one of these revelations where he has been around with ge. that is just my age by the way. >> guest: after that he his acting career got in a bad place and he was doing standup comedy and introduced a singing group in las vegas. wanted to use that as the story of the electrification of our country because that is really what happened after world war ii. we had growth rates in our electricity demand like you see in china today and it was an amazing work of these wonderful commercials that talk about, ronald reagan and nancy reagan did where she had the camera and said welcome to my house. let me show you my electric service. is like a vacuum cleaner. like these people take for granted. i think there is a consensus on some things that weren't there before and they think one of them, and i remember vividly there was not a consensus on this. this whole energy efficiency and becoming energy efficient. ed: 's good economic sense and makes good sense to do it and i don't find there is

. >> host: suggest? >> guest: often actually even though they are intestate, often they have a strong state, a stronger state to provide -- protection things like private property, protect market to be competitive. also, neoliberalism is often related to capitalism as opposed to any other economic system. >> host: where did occur neoliberalism come from? >> guest: the term neoliberalism is often right around the end of world war two. all of people in europe talking about an idea of rethinking liberalism after all the troubles of the war's over were one and will work to. they needed to rethink liberalism and make a new kind of liberalism. there ideas at the time, people, famous people were involved with this rethinking of liberalism. >> host: was it to make government less polyp -- powerful? was that part of the gall? >> guest: yes, it was. from the time of fascism and the rise of the soviet union and this concern with the state. >> host: now, what is neoclassical economics? >> guest: neoclassical economi

host: mr. currey, there is research done by the american research group that took place from october 7 through the 12th looking at florida voters when asked about to their choice for a presidential candidates. herman cain became an active 34%, mitt romney added a 48%, and newt gingrich's at 11%. what does that say to you? >> we still have a ways to go. herman cain has performed well in recent debates. he won the straw poll in florida. he was on the floor shaking hands, talking to people, looking them in the eye. that being said, the presidential process -- running for president is a long and hard process, as it should be. we want to make sure that the next president of the united states, how will he or she operate under pressure, these men and women are up early in the morning. they go to bed late at night. i am sure there are not eating as regularly as most of us. in a given debate or interview, you have good days and you have bad days. what you are looking for is somebody who performs well ov