our guest, dale hatfield is joining us from denver. he's a professor at the university of colorado and he is also a member of the commerce department spectrum management advisory committee. he is also the former engineering and technology chief at the federal communications commission. he has about 50 years of experience in telecommunications, policies particularly spectrum issues and he is considered one of the leading experts on spectrum in the nation. paul kirby of telecommunications reports is our guest reporter. >> guest: one of the things you may have referenced earlier i think was dynamic spectrum access technology. that's technology that started with the defense department as they tried to make basically reuse the spectrum and improve its efficiency i believe i-10 times. give us a sense of what this would do and how this could help going forward. >> guest: well i believe it could help enormously because as i indicated, if i did sort of a conceptual experiment and went to the rest of this building in the denver area right now an

i have also dug into a lawsuit that stevan hatfield, former warfare scientist had filed against the fbi and justice department related to the treatment that he experienced in the initial years of the fbi investigation and through reading the pages of testimony gathered amid litigation in the exhibits along with the testimony it gave me a valuable insight into what had happened with this investigation of police and the initial stages of it so it was uniquely positioned by the spring of 2008 and why reporting was propelling me toward the most important and solve a mystery lingering from the fall 2001 deutsch, and that would be the anthrax letter attacks. five people developed infections from those attacks and were killed by the letters. each death of course remains a tragedy yet the letter said even more far-reaching effects on the society. legislation called the patriot act had been introduced immediately after september 11th. it was very controversy all and questioned seriously by the libertarians because of expanded the authority to supply a known our citizens and in the united states

. >> this week on "the communicators," we are pleased to introduce you to dale hatfield. he is a member of the commerce department specter management committee. he is also a professor at the university of colorado, and he is considered to be one of the nation's foremost experts on spectrum and spectral policy. he joins us this week on "the communicators." if we could, a lot of talk here on washington -- in washington about spectrum shortage. what does that mean to you, and is there a spectrum shortage? >> that is a really good and very fundamental question. the radio spectrum is the parts that we are most interested in. it is already allocated and mostly assigned to people for various uses. so, if i have a new use, maybe a use that has a lot of public interest, it may be very difficult for me to get access to spectrum. on the other hand, if i put a simple receiver out here on the roof of this building and i looked for spectrum, it would turn out that a lot of the spectrum is not being used all the time. in one sense, it is all given out, but that does not mean that there

she says it contrasts to the spec because it is surrounded by stephen hatfield's apartment and the pond. the scientists were continued methodically and quietly that passage described very well the two approaches to this investigation. and it was the efforts of many scientists, both in the fbi laboratory and around the country that i believe led to the solution of this investigation. i'm not a solution, i believe, if captured expertly in the polk called "the mirage man." and so with that, i would like for you to help me welcome david willman to the forensic science institute. [applause] >> thank you very much, dr. adams. it's certainly an honor to be here with you at that frantic science institute at the university of central oklahoma. i'm pleased to see two minis didn't care changer for this important work. i want all of the students to realize that a group of very well-prepared rigorous scientists are as dr. alluded to, actually some of the clear-cut heroes of my book. so some of their work was crucial obviously to unraveling the anthrax letter attacks since 2001 which is the most comp

in another passage he says in contrast to the spectacles that surrounded the searches of stevan hatfield's departments and the pond the scientific work continued methodically and quietly. that passage described very well the approaches to this investigation, and it was the efforts of many scientists both in the fbi laboratory and run the country that i believe led to the solution of this investigation, and the solution i believe is captured expertly in the book called mirage man so i would like you to help free welcome david wellman to the forensic science institute. [applause] -- thank you david adams. it's an honor to be with you the institute central oklahoma university. pleased to see so many students who are being trained for this important work and i want all of the students to realize that a group of very well prepared progressed scientists are the clear-cut heroes of my book so some of the work was crucial to unraveling the anthrax attacks of 2001 which stands as the most complex scientific challenge by the fbi. like message is please, we need you will. i would like to highlight th

professor hatfield, thank you for being on "the communicators." i hope you can be back. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> on newsmakers, gene sperling discusses how the obama administration wants to boost the economy and cut the deficit. >> he did not have a lot of romantic ideas about spying. he saw it for what it was. >> in the man that nobody knew, carl colby examines his life of a cia spy master, his father hiswilliam colby. >> if you watch the film closely and study him, he is a soldier. he took on the toughest and dirtiest assignments given to him by the presidents from eisenhower on wood. when they came time for the president to ask and to lie in mislead congress, he could not do it. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on "q &a." >> next, grover norquist and new york times debate the tax payer protection pledge. both noted the impact on tax policy. this event is 55 minutes. today we are here for a debate between grover norquist of the american tax reform and ross douthat of t

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. >> host: unfortunately dale hatfield we are out of time. i would recommend to our viewers to type dale hatfield into a search engine. you can get his background and also go to the university of colorado web site to get some background information on him. professor hatfill thank you for being on "the communicators" and i hope you can come back. >> guest: thank you i would be happy to do so. >> host: has always paul kirby one of our regular guest reporters here on "the communicators," with telecommunications reports and that includes their t.r. daily publication which comes out on a daily basis. thank you. >> guest: thank you. .. topics include health care, jobs and education costs. from the center for american progress, this is 90 minutes. >> good afternoon. welcome. i'm happy to have you. i'm the director of 2050 a project of the center for american progress to promote new ideas for an increasingly diverse america and we are excited to have this today. for one to be quick because i know you are looking for to the conversation and the wonder

tonight on the communicators a look at federal spectrum policy with dale hatfield of the spectrum management advisory committee. he will discuss the choices facing broadcasters, telecom, and f.c.c.resident that is 8:00 p.m. >> it is convenient to listen to c-span any time anywhere with the free c-span radio app you get streaming audio of c-span radio and three television networks 24-7. you can listen to the but is programs including "q&a," news makers, communicate torps and afterwards. c-span is available where you are. find out more at c-span.or c-span.org/rad c-span.org/radioapp. >> carl colby discusses his latest documentary about the life and death of his father former c.i.a. director william colby. host: carl colby, why did you do a documentary on your father? guest: you might have asked that 10 or 15 years ago when he was alive and i was down in washington, d.c. making documentaries with whole crews and interviewingers you may think why didn't i interview him then. he was the kind of person that you could talk to him gaddafi or what is going on with the drones but as a son asking him p

tonight on "the communicators" a look at federal spectrum policy with dale hatfield the commerce departmentspectrum management advisory committee. he will discuss the choices facing broadcasters, telecoms, congress, the presidents and the fcc. tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> television can be a teacher and if we are going to have a debate on television in the courtroom and you drew the affirmative side, you can make probably more positive points. both leaders called for a new european union treaty that would include stricter oversight of government budgets and would include automatic sanctions for countries with deficits over 3% of their gdp. here is a 15 minute portion of the news conference surrounding their meeting. ♪ joined in the newsroom buyer europe editor to pick apart what they said. they haven't really suggested anything new, have they? essentially merkel has managed to twist sarkozy's arm. >> you are right, of course is always the details, the devil is in the details as you state but from what we hear merkel and sarkozy have a convincing plan which they will present t

hatfield for violation of privacy act for leaking details of the investigation. it cost the taxpayers $6 million in settlement. i've repeatedly asked both the department as well as your agency to identify the individuals who leaked information on the investigation. i've been repeatedly told the investigation's ongoing, and i assume that's the excuse for not answering our information we've requested. in response to august 31, 2011, letter on the anthrax attacks, the department of justice thissed me that -- informed me that the investigation is complete and that no criminal charges will be filed against those who leaked the information. three questions. i'll give you all three of them. were the individuals who leaked fbi agents or employees of the fbi? what, if any, administrative action did you take against these individuals if they were fbi agents or employees? and do these people still have their jobs if they're fbi employees? >> well, i know, senator, and i appreciate your discussing this with me. these questions are more specific than the ones you raised when

. >> tonight on "the communicators," a look at federal spectrum policy with dale hatfield of the commerce department's spectrum management advisory committee. he'll discuss the choices facing by broadcasters, telecoms, congress, the president, and the fcc. tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: barry anderson is the deputy director a national governors association of the. -- of the national governors association. we have some special phone lines set up -- host: barry anderson, there is a new fiscal survey of the states. what is the headline/ guest: it is the big squeeze. states are doing better than the have in the past. they are not bad to the2008 le 2008 level. the grants that the states are going to be cut for sure. the 2012 levels already going down. the sequester they are facing are likely to cut them even further. the amounts of money that are coming in from the feds are almost certainly going to be lower than they are today. medicaid continues to go up because the economy has been poor and because of new entitlements and because the requir

i organized democrats for hatfield when he was in danger of losing office because i thought it was the best for the country. i have worked with democrats and republicans in the past. i have never seen it like the refusal to move forward. the super committee was a golden opportunity to get around the procedural rules in the house and the senate. there was a refusal to of a balanced approach. it was something that house democrats advanced. i think it goes back to the message that we're going to have next election day that people are going to need to speak out about whether -- in terms of the expectations they have and the performance. simple things like we have today on the payroll tax extension is a clear delineation, and i hope the public will be heard over the course of the next week. host: we're talking with congresswoman earl blumenauer. let's go to a republican from nebraska. good morning. caller: i am happy to receive your acceptance. 95% of the people professed christianity in their life and all the have to do is to go back to chronicles -- host: do you have a question? caller: w

former senate mark hatfield of oregon. general john shalikashvili. betty ford, two secretaries of state. the first, lawrence eagleburger, and warren christopher. in between there, we have geraldine ferraro and sargent shriver. ok, i know you are very involved with the ford leg sifment you were a eulogist at her funeral. can you talk about whether or not her legacy is a lasting one. guest: oh, i think so. i think so. i think there are so many ways of looking at mrs. ford's legacy. in some ways, she's a very unusual figure among first ladies. arguably her impact was greater after she left the white house, although you cannot, you cannot exaggerate the significance of her openness at the time of her breast cancer surgery. it is hard to believe it today, but those are words not used in polite conversation 40 years ago. with the consequence that many women were confirmed. the fact that people can get this disease and talk about it openly was really a seachange. we measure that, and, of course, her subsequent frankness in dealing with her alcohol, chemical

they are concerned how badly they've retreated as kids or things like that or hatfields and mccoys. more common thing in this country is to see the future and look at the present from the vantage point of the future. there is a story to be delayed awful called titans of the earth. not sure. a midwestern story about farmers in the upper midwest. a guy is taking a visitor around his farm and he says here is the barn. here is the giants's house. here are the fields. the visitor says i don't see any barn or house. and the farmers as i haven't billed them yet. that is where they are going to be. in his mind they are already real. his plan for the future are already reeling in the mind. that is a very common thing in the united states. we see the future and we are very full by the future. by our hope for the future. >> host: 3 points, you write the wear of rumination and the other is you cannot control other people. take two of those points. what are your lessons? >> guest: this is things people told me. a lot of people -- one guy set i have been married 55 years. for the first twenty yea

there's the hatfields and mccoys and that feuding. a common thing in this country is to see the future and look at the present from the vantage point of the future, and so there's a story, a novel, i think it's called "titans of the earth," a mid western story about farmers in the upper midwest, and a guy is taking a visitor around his farm, and he says, here's the barn. here's the giant house. here's the fields. the visitor says, i don't see it. i don't see a barn or house. the farmer says, well, i have not built them yet, but that's where that they are going to be. in his minds, the future is already real. i think that's a common thing in the united states that we see the future, and that we're very pulled by the future by our incredible hopes of the future. >> host: two points from life report, and one is you write be ware of rumor nation, and the other is you cannot control other people. you take two of those points. what did you learn? what's the lessons? >> guest: these are things people told me. a lot of -- one guy said i was m

professor hatfield, thank you for being on "the communicators", and i hope you can come back. >> guest: thank you. i'd be happy to do so. >> host: and, as always, paul kirby, one of our regular guest reporters here on "the communicators." he's with "telecommunications reports." thank you. >> host: thank you. >> ahead on c-span2, a house panel looks at a proposed regulation that would ricket drive times for commercial truck drivers. then a look at the use of antipsychotic drugs on the use of dementia patients. after that, a live discussion on the economic trends and challenges facing young adults, and later the senate returns at 2 p.m. eastern for a period of general speeches followed later by debate and a roll call vote on judicial nominations. >> also today on the c-span networks a look at the progress and global efforts to eliminate malaria. a house panel will hear from medical health professionals about the future of drug and vaccine development. they'll also discuss the challenges in insuring the availability, affordability and safe distribution of anti-malaria medicine. live cover

they're concerned about how badly they were treated as kids, or the hatfields and the mccoys, you know that kind of feuding. but i would say a more common thing in this country is to see the future and look at the present from the vantage point of the future. so there's a story, a novel -- i think it's called "titans of the earth," i'm now not sure. it's a midwestern story about farmers and upper midwest. and a guy is taking a visitor around his farm, and he says here's the barn, here's the giant house, here are the fields. and the visitor says, i don't see it, i don't see any barn, i don't want see any house. -- i don't see any house. and the farmer says, well, i haven't built them yet, but that's where they're going to be. but in his mind they're already real. his plans for the future are already real in the mind, and i think that's a very common thing in the united states, that we see the future, and that we're very pulled by the future, by our incredible hopes for the future. >> host: two points from life reports, and you've written a number of columns about it, but number one is y

i'm doing the stories about the hatfields and the mccoys, my mother's family.phrey was, to me, like my father. >> thank you so much for that personal story. do you know the songs? >> i will not sing them, but i know them. he traveled with him all the time. he was with him very closely. he is one person i had lost in this whole search for interviews. i am glad he is alive and well. >> 77 years old. thank you for calling in and adding that personal touch. we have to get one more relationship established. he developed a friendship with martin luther king? >> he had a relationship with king around legislation. if you look inside the reaction of the black community, there were lots of people who were militants who did not see the value of this legislation. king is saying, this is a necessary step. if you go back to the great march on washington in 1963, in large measure, it is to say to the congress, pass the civil rights act. humphrey is one of the great supporters of this. he is at the march on washington. he is someone who is emphatic in his support. even as you