the region. that unlike libya. the consequences would be far higher i'm not suggesting that what happened in libya is not serious enough but talking of libya i must tell you one of the difficulties that we are having insofar as the situation in syria is concerned is that the security council's expedience in respect of resolutions nine hundred seventy and seventy three on libya. vitiate inc the atmosphere in terms of the approach to words how to deal with the situation in syria it is reported that in the coming days the security council will be possibly voting on a resolution drafted by western countries on syria calling in part for the for the assad government to surrender its powers given the dynamic of the security council right now the positions being taken by the numbers do you think this resolution will be adopted if the proposition were to be advanced that somebody should handle the power. in other words a regime change proposition i think some members of the council including my own delegation would have a lo

because in the case of libya when the security council adopted resolution one nine hundred seventy three allowed for a no fly zone and also included an arms embargo on libya but in the meantime western countries were not imposing that arms embargo on the opposition groups instead the opposition groups were being armed by western countries by nato countries and i ambassador churkin believes this can be a repeated case in syria because as of now many members of the security council do not even acknowledge that the opposition groups are rising up against syrian president bashar al assad are armed where are those arms coming from those arms stop coming if there is an arms embargo imposed i'd syria and in the aftermath of libya and what transpired there and master churkin believes that the security council will not necessarily fairly let's take a listen to what he had to say. as i was working it would seem logical to say if there is a conflict let's not support arms there that we saw what happened in libya in our imperfect world this would have meant the following no i a

mr hardy this was the least we could do for you and for libya. the papers show the cia seized bangkok thanks to an m i six tape of al saadi was supposedly snatched by the m i six in hong kong both men were sent straight to libya and the notorious abu salim prison where they say they were tortured there are statements from u.k. authorities saying. that they are. they do not wish torture to happen. in the context of. those sorts of statements that. everyone would know that there was an extremely high risk indeed or less certainty that these individuals will be tortured but by that point the british government loving with good daffy had already begun turning him from their sport darling and it wasn't just good daffy who reap the rewards mark allen was britain's negotiator in what was a two way deal it was in this exclusive london clubs to mark owen said to have met moosic use his intelligence chief the alleged occasion a top secret dinner to celebrate the end of negotiations libya gets a seat at the international table in return for scrapping its wea

dot com we have details on the death of libya's former ambassador to. brown's who died just one day after being detained under the new government that and much more is waiting for you at r.t. dot com. these are the images the world from the streets of canada. operations are ok. coming up to twenty minutes past the hour let's take a look at some other headlines from across the globe president mohamed nasheed has resigned amid a police mutiny following weeks of popular protests the crisis drew to a head when authorities ordered security forces to remove barriers between government and opposition supporters protesting close to each other but the leader had earlier come under fire for blasting the chief judge of the criminal court accused him of being loyal to the country's former president she'd swept to power in two thousand and eight pledging to bring more democracy to the island state. factory in eastern pakistan has collapsed after down loaded in the building rescue workers are struggling to reach dozens of people trapped under the debris a day after th

from the libya was north but not total border as there usually on libya was. but not about syrians. and as the political tit for tat continues to play out an increasingly polarized population and watching their lives and country brought to a standstill sanctions a crippling the economy and the increase in violence is raise. tom de lay the g eight political wrangling now seems to be shattering the issue of basic human rights for the people living in fear. continues to receive haase remarks and it's going to veto a draft resolution on syria and us being one of the most vocal times correspondent i think ask abbas's this criticism is not justified in washington repeatedly blocks un resolutions critical of israel i would start paraphrasing susan rice i would say that the international community is the real one not made to and seeks a person go monitors in the g.c.c. is this guy just it by the travesty of repeated us vetoes in a de un women ever the topic of israel cups so israel us can veto any c. regarding as well as or can keep but killing men and women and children palestine but always

how have things changed in the past 12 months? we begin in libya where there is frustration at instability and the pace of change. armed militias have been accused of reprisals against get off the lists with the government unable or unwilling to stop them. -- armed militias are accused of reprisals against gaddafi loyalists and the government is unable or unwilling to stop them. >> it is a time of celration. the other night, the people took to the streets in an exuberant show of force. >> the 17th of february, 2011. this is the day that no libyan everyoneis the date where is born. >> we never thought this revolution was going to succeed. >> this is tripoli street in misrata penh to the city was attacked by gaddafi's forces last spring, and fighting raged for months. more than 1500 people from misrata died in the struggle and the city a merged with a steely sense of self-reliance. >> we all went to the front line to get their, a family supporting each other. if anyone died, we all care for them. if anyone was wounded, we all care for them. this city

power struggle in libya now is the struggle of good really the struggle of the more of libya's role in this is a struggle of dividing libya's resources among greedy people rather than taking libya's resources and giving it to the libyan people is why it seems to be failing and i think it will continue to fail and in the process this is the u.n. human rights commissioner has also said there are severe human rights violations in libya with those violations i mean do you think again t.c. will ultimately be able to keep libya's rival tribes together as good of it. well the libyan government now of this transitional government that's supposed to prepare for elections is trying to to keep the internal peace by taking selected individuals from certain tribes and certain regions and putting them in positions of authority this is not going to work because yes you may satisfy one or two individuals from a particular region. claim that you have satisfied the region but there is not going to satisfy the aspirations of the libyan people the libyan people want freedom and dem

is standing in the way so i think this is this is the negative fallout from the libya experience we're seeing right now and so what do you think really my happen next here because we've already seen a u.s. senator john kerry for example say if you're thinking of the other options of other ways to help the syrian people you know is it going to end up like the situations we've seen many times before where the u.n. is essentially taken out of the picture and countries go around in a might be to excuse me to supply weapons to one side or the other or even to you know to be a little more aggressive in terms of an intervention well it will be read the tea leaves from the last seventy two hours and you look at the statements that come out of london washington and paris in particular we see those nato allies circling back to something like the beginning of the libya situation where they're talking repeatedly about the need for assad to leave they say it's a regime change situation they appear to be locking themselves into that position and that i think if if they stick to it is going to

the dictatorship was toppled. today, there is reason for hope in libya. in june, people will vote for the first time in national elections, but not everyone is happy. there are reports of continuing human rights violations and some rebel militias remain armed. out of respect for those who died, the new leadership has not organized celebrations at a national level. a year after protests first erupted, many people remember the victims with traditional muslim prayers. >> not everyone is joining in the celebrations in libya. >> that has everything to do with the fact that the revolution has not brought about positive changes for everyone. >> we have this report on activists who are doing their best to remind their new leaders of a lot of unfinished business. and he is on his way to libya's state broadcast. it used to be an organ for gaddafi's propaganda machine appeared to become a civil rights activists make use of the studios. he produces talk back radio with the host. listeners can call in and ask questions about the new libya, about politics, and their new

fought together to oust moammar gadhafi last year are now engaged in a battle for influence in the new libya. two people being killed and five more injured in circles capital during an opposition rally police there used to gas to disperse a crowd gathered to protest a court ruling allowing the nation's elderly leader to run for a third term the constitution was revised soon after he was elected in two thousand to impose a two term limit for the president argues that since he was already in office when it took effect it should not apply to. the government of attack the paramilitary checkpoint in southwestern pakistan killing eleven soldiers and wounding a dozen the troops return fire but it's unclear whether the attackers suffered any casualties shortly after pakistani fighter jets bombed the hideouts of militants along the afghan border getting up to thirty one suspected insurgents. the united states is home to the second largest jewish community in the world and many american jews feel increasingly alienated from their spiritual home in israel thanks in no small part to ad campaigns funded

and the situation in libya. part of the main reason for this is the fact that no revolution can succeed if it comes on top of foreign tanks and basically the libyan revolution has come with violence instigated from outside unlike the egyptian and the tunisian revolution. now here in right situation in libya has been drawing attention hasn't it with reports of food detentions in the torture of gadhafi supporters can the m.t.c. ever hope to build a stable state against that kind of background. well the problem with the sea is that it was a concocted group of people primarily western supported nato people who were put in power basically to topple moammar gadhafi because simply he was an unreliable dictator for the worst even though he had approached the west in two thousand and three and has repair his relationship with the west but they wanted to change because libya has basically and this is why they have pushed for a change in government in libya. and they put this transitional council which is a council that is

when whatever the difficulties that the conflict in libya raised whatever the difficulties with the regime in libya western intervention ended up killing thirty thousand people in that country i'd have all proportion greater than any of the lives lost in the arab in any of the arab revolutions across the region so our principal hope here is that developments in the last few days have kept the united states the u.k. the other major powers from interfering militarily in this area i'm sure the russian state as other states have interests in this area are acting to defend those interests in this area but i think the fate of the syrian people is best left to them and to them alone that president assad has said that he is ready to talk to all political sides is syria and the opposition has signaled that it welcomes russia role as a mediator i think some might say this is somewhat of a breakthrough really so why are some western countries so reluctant to pursue a dialogue i mean why are we seeing more of this news on twitter or facebook that the opposition has essenti

towns like bottle while he was back in the hands of rogue gadhafi forces and the danger of libya the good looks like some all of that with a lot of the militias and crimes of war so nobody i think did what will happen if assad is overthrown were killed or steps down to no one really knows what the outcome is likely to be as the west is hoping it will be less supportive of hezbollah less supportive of iran and less support of abbas and that could be the case no one really knows what it's going to look like so the fact is would you support insurgencies you're basically taking a very difficult bet on a certainty. the armed wing of the opposition the free syrian army claims to have tens of thousands of officers fighting to bring down president but leading british journalist maddy ya son suspects the numbers are being exaggerated to provoke foreign intervention watch the full interview in just over an hour's time. there's a huge debate about the f.s.a. and how much first of all how many defections are going on because they claim to be getting dozens and dozens of the fact that every day e

a longstanding relationship with syria that they will start supplying even more to the position groups they did in libya so there's no sign of a break in deadlock just yet the arab and western backed regime change resolution calls for the. syrian president to step down if this does not happen within fifteen days further measures could take place and russia says no thanks we've seen this similar scenario in libya and this particular case moscow says what's important is for talks for syria to exercise its sovereignty for the opposition and the government to sit down together moscow has offered russia as the central. stage for these negotiations but it's important to say that russia still believes that a consensus can be found within the united nations security council it says that broad resolutions that are dangerous should not be put on the table that can split the council and really aggravate any sort of conflict and it continues to call for the importance of arab observers to our main working on the ground. dr benjamin from that frank turnitin with says that russia has every reason to worry the motion

it is one reason it is quite different, for instance, from the libya crisis. so my friend is quite right to point to the horrors of what happened before and i'm very conscious of the point he makes. >> mr. mike gapes? >> can i endorse the secretary's remarks about saying action through the european union and u.n. general assembly, human rights council and with his friends of syria group? but one organization that he didn't mention was nato. is it not time to have a discussion in the northatlantic counsel including turkey about whether we could have some kind of no fly zone comparable to what happened to the kurds 11 years ago over the northern part of syria? >> i don't think it is, mr. speaker. first of all, because i think if nato began planning for different eventualities in syria, that would weaken rather than unite the international coalition. also, a no-fly zone would require authorization from the u.n. security council which clearly would not obtain at the moment and in addition, although there are reports of syrian aircraft involved and the latest events

the. north but not. as there usually on libya was. not about syrians. and as the political to attack continues to play out an increasingly polarized population and watching their lives and country brought to a standstill sanctions a crippling the economy and the increase in violence is raise. the death toll. political wrangling now seems to be eva shattering the issue of basic human rights for the people living in syria. but one of russia's main concerns in syria was the prevention of military action similar to that seen in libya but now that the resolution had been blocked the only way for western nations to intervene is to go beyond the un mandate which some likely that's the belief of professor song from the chinese university of hong kong. the chinese have a sense of being truly trying because they have been authorized nato for using force. is has been you. are in to be in opposition so are the chinese citizens being betrayed last time i was you know it's unbelievable. doctors are similar to the situation of. an image reaction is likely it must be go

the ground whether it's libya which you go about to kosovo the k.l.a. which also said you know give us the go give us the support we'll do the fighting and it has got to start you have the northern alone so that actually turns out that these groups tend not to have as much a legitimate see as they claim to be not to have as much military strength as they claim. leaders from europe's biggest economy in asia's are due to meet with germany seeking china's support for the euro zone and on e.u. foreign policy goals in the middle east this will be anglo merkel's fifth visit to china an important strategic economic partner for germany she's to hold talks with the chinese president hu jintao and premier wen jiabao and try to woo them for investment in the ailing euro also on the agenda merkel hopes to try and change china stands on syria and iran professor simon santow chinese university of hong kong believes that china needs an ally to counter u.s. dominance. i think actually there are fewer reasons of archery at first to a lot of the china to assist in the eu

about the demise of libya's ambassador to. the custody of the new government. these are the images. from the streets of canada. has approved strong sanctions against iran's financial institutions. transactions involving the country's central bank. from the school of oriental and african studies it's all. political game. in terms of threats coming from the u.s. specially this distance is sanctions against iran central bank i think that they're mostly producer director for domestic consumption in the united states as we get closer to the presidential elections in the u.s. we see that each side trying to see as being more as being tough service of iran and this is another move by president obama to satisfy either is rivals or the supporters of his campaign is sad to see that the u.s. is undermining the. fantastic work that is doing with iran and iran itself is trying very hard to keep the environment professional in the face of the recent assassination of uranium scientists really it was a big blow to the relationship between iran and the. i mean well iran's foreign minister says tehra

the problem is you can't adapt libya to all of this. in fact, you must adapt yourself to it. in the early days, we had some difficulties managing that, difficulties in a sense that we hadn't shifted the paradigm yet and we needed to move on. wu with us it became important to say, this is libya. let's take what we've learned in all these other places, apply them where we can apply them, but in other places just ignore those points. examples: afghanistan has the ability to spend quite a bit of isr. there are people on the ground to give intelligence information. we had no boot on the ground, no nato boots on the ground, and two predator orbits. so that tells you a little of the kind of intelligence we were getting or the sources we were getting from was limited in the beginning. also, the changing of the process. possibly identify a target as friend or, in this case, regime forces was a matter of minutes, not hours, of observation. and we went through this. probably what cost us the most was to adapt to our targeting processes. targeting process starts with intelligence and inte

in the city of misrata, libya's big city, and elsewhere. i myself went to see the body of a man in the mortuary who has the marks of torture, beatings, and according to the nurse who conducted the autopsy, electric shocks. i think the problem here, which is also reflected in amnesty's report, is a lot of people are being detained by militia who are just commanders, and the officials, such as they are here in this country, really having a very difficult time in controlling them. >> yeah, i was going to say, what does it say about efforts to demilitarize all these militia? is there any effort going on still? >> well, there is an effort. the authorities say they're very keen for all these militias to disarm. there are opportunities to come in and join the national army or other national security forces. however, in an interview earlier this week, the chairman of the n.c.c. said that he saw that only 10% of armed men have so far done so. he has them all to come in and join in, but there are persistent protests from some of these soldiers. they'r

the ground whether in libya which you go about to kosovo the k.l.a. which also said you know give us the guns give us the support and we'll do the fighting and in the style of you have the northern alliance actually turns out that these groups tend not to have as much legitimacy as they claim to be military strength as they claim. from europe's biggest economy and asia's are due to me to have germany seeking china's support for the euro zone and on foreign policy goals in the middle east this will be angola merkel's visit to china and important strategic economic partner for germany she's to hold talks with the chinese president hu jintao is clear when jiabao and tried with hu them for investment in the world also on the agenda hopes to try and change china's stance on syria and iran professor. chinese university of hong kong believes that china needs an ally to counter u.s. dominance. a few reasons overtures to be sure. but that's not the only reason you is cooperating with the states. to sanction iran and it is the lives of german chancellor that wi

after the dictatorship libya has the new government in jordan and yemen. the ambassador speaking to me the authority in london said there are four key things that he took out of the arab spring. the first is the arab exceptional was on the sense that somehow people in the arab world did not look for what we will looking for the chance to control their own destiny. that is being squashed. second, islam is not compatible for the democracy and whether we have had elections appear to be so. third, the sense is important all of us that the connection between the west and the arab goal wasn't simply based on our interest, the commercial interest but was not last based on values. and the big loser in all this has been the advocates of the violent terrorist ideology al qaeda has played no part in the revolution people have inspired themselves. they haven't been a winner after the with this and in fact they have seen movements turned back in this respect is very important for all of us. politics cannot be seen in isolation from the wider trends while the awakening

the result was a use. for zero or a cynical process. libya was norful i thought but not about total border as there usually on the be was. but not about syrians. and as the political to attack continues to play out an increasingly polarized population and watching their lives and country brought to a standstill sanctions a crippling the economy and the increase in violence is raising the debt. daily political wrangling now seems to be eva shattering the issue of basic human rights for the people living in syria. but one of russia's main concerns in syria was the prevention of military action similar to that thing in libya but now the resolution had been blocked the only way for western nations to intervene is to go beyond the un mandate which is unlikely that the belief of professor simon chan from the chinese university of hong kong to chinese her son's of being true trying because they hope and authorize nato for using force and you get what. you unburned as has been you was. to move the to be in the opposition more be so are the chinese ci

from the libya was north but not total border as there usually on libya was. but not about syrians. and as the political tit for tat continues to play out an increasingly polarized population and watching their lives and country got to a standstill sanctions a crippling the economy and the increase in violence is raise. death toll daily. wrangling now seems to be eva shattering the issue of basic human rights for the people living in syria. thanks for joining us now for more analysis on the international uproar over syria is professor simon shen on the chinese university of hong kong i thank you for joining us here on r.t. here now that the resolution has been blocked the u.s. and the e.u. are threatening new sanctions washington as close as embassy in damascus and the u.k. has recalled its ambassador how far can this go. well. researchers you know. expect the region to last for very long. or is also quite unlikely for it to be in the short run so i think going to matter how this regime. they're going to. look at them is evil because the perspective on what we have to see in. there c

and you have to wonder if it will ever fit into the new libya. e new rulers are promising that it will. they cannot overcome the hostility that it earned from its once privileged status. >> everyone agrees that sirte should be our top priority for rebuilding. i think all libyan people now feel sympathy for the city. >> there is little evidence of that yet. much of the population here feels beaten and abandoned and remain stubbornly loyal to gaddafi. >> if you ask people here, they still want to believe gaddafi is alive. not he remains -- and he remains in our hearts. >> they have paid a very high price for the loyalty. libya, though, may also have to pay price if the losers of the uprising are pushed aside and forgotten. >> let's turn to business news now. aaron is here. some good news for american homeowners. they have struck a deal between mortgage lenders and federal and state governments. >> they are close to a deal at the moment. this is an interesting story because we are hearing that some of america's biggest banks are very close to what is

rival militia groups have been involved in a gun battle in the center of libya's capital tripoli witnesses report heavy and light weapons exchanging fire in the city the road along the coast has been blocked and smoke was rising from the scene of the fighting former allies who fought together to ask mama gadhafi last year and now engaged in a battle for influence in the new libya. but i'll be back with the some of our main news stories for in about nine minutes from now in the meantime we talked to the indian ambassador to the united nations about what he thinks the international community needs to do to resolve the crisis in syria. i'd like to begin with syria because that seems to be a great point of contention within the u.n. security council now the last and only time the council reached any type of consensus on the conflict in syria was nearly six months ago it was under your presidency of the security council a presidential statement was issued in august why has it been so hard since then for fifteen members to agree on does some kind of solution the only occasionally on which the se

the thing is after what happened in libya any country would think twice before committing to specific measures the situation in the region is extremely volatile countries are divided into tears of major and minor according to their geopolitical standing how close they are to one state or the other and their role in regional fields and so on a regime change in a minor country would not leave us and we journals going to the syria on the other hand is very important to the reality we have to think very hard about the possible repercussions and complications we might have to deal with before we interfere in syria's openers. well public anger again has spilled onto the streets of athens where thousands of anti austerity protesters gathered in front of the part of the men police used tear gas to disperse crowds trying to break through the cordon around the parliament building well that's as greek trade unions are holding a nationwide general strike in response to massive new layoffs fifteen thousand job cuts is one of the concessions the greek government has made to appease its internationa

the ground whether in libya which you go back to kosovo the k.l.a. which also said you know give us the guns give us the support and we'll do the fighting and it has got to stop you have the northern alone so that actually these groups tend not to have as much legitimacy as they claim to be military strength as they claim. german chancellor angela merkel has called in china the biggest buyer of rain oil to use its influence to persuade iran to renounce its possible nuclear weapons ambitions marco what is on her fifth visit to china where she's trying to change beijing stance on iran and get it to support a western resolution on syria also on the agenda seeking support for the euro zone to hold talks with chinese leaders to try to win investment and. professor simon chan of the chinese university of hong kong believes that china wants an ally to counter a u.s. dominance. i think actually there are fewer reasons of archer first is to a lot of the china. in a year old actresses but that's not the only reason you know is cooperating with the states to sa

forcing regime change is a bad idea that's already plunged other arab countries into turmoil the case of libya the case of yemen and a number of other countries egypt also suggest that you have to be careful what you wish for the west is rather uncritical the recent insurgency is a good thing only to find that insurgency often means. fractionalization splintering various groups up against one another and the triumph over time of forces that are no more welcome to the west than the one for the displaced in libya we see a country that is unable to create any kind of see where the militias are fighting one another where we simply see towns like bottle while he was back in the hands of gadhafi forces and the danger of libya like somalia with live on militias and tribes before so nobody i think did what will happen if assad is overthrown killed or steps down and no one really knows what the outcome is likely to be as the west is hoping it will be less supportive of hezbollah less supportive of iran and less support of abbas and that could be the case no one really knows what it's going to look like

they were very much part of the libya contact group and the work that was done there. they are a center for international conferences. i have been to istanbul five times in the last year. i have been to the city once. you go to the hotel. you go to the palace where they have the wonderful conferences. you gaze at the boss over lunch and they pack you in a car back to the airport and you go back home. it is one tragedies of my work. we have one afternoon off for the blue mosque which was just wonderful. so again, they are a key player. one thing i would like to do is reestablish the relationship with israel. that break is serious for israel. israel could do with turkey back as an ally and friend. it is a difficult state of affairs between them because of the flotilla incident over a year ago. it would be good to find a way back to each other. we are encouraging both to try to do that. >> turkey is a member of nato. the u.s. has announced some reductions or deletions of troops in europe and other areas. can you views on where nato is going with the bases which impacts th

and that really does seem to be a step on the road to the breakup of libya into at least two parts west and east if not more here with r.t. coming up in the next few minutes as healthy living becomes fashionable russia's organic farming looks to cash in but then dependent on line shops aiming to challenge supermarket supremacy. greece is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy of the future of bailed out portugal is uncertain and the single currency itself could be in trouble the ranks of people writing off the eurozone and even the european project itself are only swelling in number so perhaps that's why the message for united europe has been pushed on an all new platform the classroom tests are sillier reports. but what do you know about your country and the capital is aroma. pizza. the. spanish french and english. these youngsters are attending one of the fourteen european schools set up primarily to educate children of e.u. stuff the only system which able to provide education in twenty three different languages you know the more europe is united in their city and that's what

some say it was because of being burned on the libya operation going well beyond what they thought the u.n. resolution allowed. so if you could talk a little bit more about your guidance, what targets you left out, not for ancillary reasons, but for reasons that you thought perhaps it went beyond the mandate. i mean, how did you distinguish between protecting civilians, and sort of hampering the regime that was actually killing the civilians? it's a very fine line, and i mean, your position it would be very difficult, especially with the whole coalition breathing down your neck, working back with nato headquarters, so much political pressure because of the geopolitical implications. could you talk a little bit about that? >>> part of the biggest point was much like -- i like anal jis. i guess it's easier for me to understand things. keep your eyes on the ball. stay focused on the mission itself and clearly you've got to understand that linkage that exists between what is the mission that needs to be done and what is ancillary to this and what is not related to this. in our case, also,